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AngryScientist
02-07-2017, 10:58 AM
Entertaining and informative piece from OUTSIDE:

be careful out there folks, a reminder it can all happen pretty quickly.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2152131/freezing-death

When your Jeep spins lazily off the mountain road and slams backward into a snowbank, you don’t worry immediately about the cold. Your first thought is that you’ve just dented your bumper. Your second is that you’ve failed to bring a shovel. Your third is that you’ll be late for dinner. Friends are expecting you at their cabin around eight for a moonlight ski, a late dinner, a sauna. Nothing can keep you from that.

Driving out of town, defroster roaring, you barely noted the bank thermometer on the town square: minus 27 degrees at 6:36. The radio weather report warned of a deep mass of arctic air settling over the region. The man who took your money at the Conoco station shook his head at the register and said he wouldn’t be going anywhere tonight if he were you. You smiled. A little chill never hurt anybody with enough fleece and a good four-wheel-drive.

But now you’re stuck. Jamming the gearshift into low, you try to muscle out of the drift. The tires whine on ice-slicked snow as headlights dance on the curtain of frosted firs across the road. Shoving the lever back into park, you shoulder open the door and step from your heated capsule. Cold slaps your naked face, squeezes tears from your eyes.


You check your watch: 7:18. You consult your map: A thin, switchbacking line snakes up the mountain to the penciled square that marks the cabin.

Breath rolls from you in short frosted puffs. The Jeep lies cocked sideways in the snowbank like an empty turtle shell. You think of firelight and saunas and warm food and wine. You look again at the map. It’s maybe five or six miles more to that penciled square. You run that far every day before breakfast. You’ll just put on your skis. No problem.


There is no precise core temperature at which the human body perishes from cold. At Dachau’s cold-water immersion baths, Nazi doctors calculated death to arrive at around 77 degrees Fahrenheit. The lowest recorded core temperature in a surviving adult is 60.8 degrees. For a child it’s lower: In 1994, a two-year-old girl in Saskatchewan wandered out of her house into a minus-40 night. She was found near her doorstep the next morning, limbs frozen solid, her core temperature 57 degrees. She lived.

Others are less fortunate, even in much milder conditions. One of Europe’s worst weather disasters occurred during a 1964 competitive walk on a windy, rainy English moor; three of the racers died from hypothermia, though temperatures never fell below freezing and ranged as high as 45.

But for all scientists and statisticians now know of freezing and its physiology, no one can yet predict exactly how quickly and in whom hypothermia will strike—and whether it will kill when it does. The cold remains a mystery, more prone to fell men than women, more lethal to the thin and well muscled than to those with avoirdupois, and least forgiving to the arrogant and the unaware.

The process begins even before you leave the car, when you remove your gloves to squeeze a loose bail back into one of your ski bindings. The freezing metal bites your flesh. Your skin temperature drops.

Within a few seconds, the palms of your hands are a chilly, painful 60 degrees. Instinctively, the web of surface capillaries on your hands constrict, sending blood coursing away from your skin and deeper into your torso. Your body is allowing your fingers to chill in order to keep its vital organs warm.

You replace your gloves, noticing only that your fingers have numbed slightly. Then you kick boots into bindings and start up the road.

Were you a Norwegian fisherman or Inuit hunter, both of whom frequently work gloveless in the cold, your chilled hands would open their surface capillaries periodically to allow surges of warm blood to pass into them and maintain their flexibility. This phenomenon, known as the hunter’s response, can elevate a 35-degree skin temperature to 50 degrees within seven or eight minutes.

Other human adaptations to the cold are more mysterious. Tibetan Buddhist monks can raise the skin temperature of their hands and feet by 15 degrees through meditation. Australian aborigines, who once slept on the ground, unclothed, on near-freezing nights, would slip into a light hypothermic state, suppressing shivering until the rising sun rewarmed them.

You have no such defenses, having spent your days at a keyboard in a climate-controlled office. Only after about ten minutes of hard climbing, as your body temperature rises, does blood start seeping back into your fingers. Sweat trickles down your sternum and spine.

By now you’ve left the road and decided to shortcut up the forested mountainside to the road’s next switchback. Treading slowly through deep, soft snow as the full moon hefts over a spiny ridgetop, throwing silvery bands of moonlight and shadow, you think your friends were right: It’s a beautiful night for skiing—though you admit, feeling the minus-30 air bite at your face, it’s also cold.

After an hour, there’s still no sign of the switchback, and you’ve begun to worry. You pause to check the map. At this moment, your core temperature reaches its high: 100.8. Climbing in deep snow, you’ve generated nearly ten times as much body heat as you do when you are resting.

As you step around to orient map to forest, you hear a metallic pop. You look down. The loose bail has disappeared from your binding. You lift your foot and your ski falls from your boot.

You twist on your flashlight, and its cold-weakened batteries throw a yellowish circle in the snow. It’s right around here somewhere, you think, as you sift the snow through gloved fingers. Focused so intently on finding the bail, you hardly notice the frigid air pressing against your tired body and sweat-soaked clothes.

The exertion that warmed you on the way uphill now works against you: Your exercise-dilated capillaries carry the excess heat of your core to your skin, and your wet clothing dispels it rapidly into the night. The lack of insulating fat over your muscles allows the cold to creep that much closer to your warm blood.

Your temperature begins to plummet. Within 17 minutes it reaches the normal 98.6. Then it slips below.

At 97 degrees, hunched over in your slow search, the muscles along your neck and shoulders tighten in what’s known as pre-shivering muscle tone. Sensors have signaled the temperature control center in your hypothalamus, which in turn has ordered the constriction of the entire web of surface capillaries. Your hands and feet begin to ache with cold. Ignoring the pain, you dig carefully through the snow; another ten minutes pass. Without the bail you know you’re in deep trouble.

Finally, nearly 45 minutes later, you find the bail. You even manage to pop it back into its socket and clamp your boot into the binding. But the clammy chill that started around your skin has now wrapped deep into your body’s core.

At 95, you’ve entered the zone of mild hypothermia. You’re now trembling violently as your body attains its maximum shivering response, an involuntary condition in which your muscles contract rapidly to generate additional body heat.

It was a mistake, you realize, to come out on a night this cold. You should turn back. Fishing into the front pocket of your shell parka, you fumble out the map. You consulted it to get here; it should be able to guide you back to the warm car. It doesn’t occur to you in your increasingly clouded and panicky mental state that you could simply follow your tracks down the way you came.

And after this long stop, the skiing itself has become more difficult. By the time you push off downhill, your muscles have cooled and tightened so dramatically that they no longer contract easily, and once contracted, they won’t relax. You’re locked into an ungainly, spread-armed, weak-kneed snowplow.

Still, you manage to maneuver between stands of fir, swishing down through silvery light and pools of shadow. You’re too cold to think of the beautiful night or of the friends you had meant to see. You think only of the warm Jeep that waits for you somewhere at the bottom of the hill. Its gleaming shell is centered in your mind’s eye as you come over the crest of a small knoll. You hear the sudden whistle of wind in your ears as you gain speed. Then, before your mind can quite process what the sight means, you notice a lump in the snow ahead.

Recognizing, slowly, the danger that you are in, you try to jam your skis to a stop. But in your panic, your balance and judgment are poor. Moments later, your ski tips plow into the buried log and you sail headfirst through the air and bellyflop into the snow.


You lie still. There’s a dead silence in the forest, broken by the pumping of blood in your ears. Your ankle is throbbing with pain and you’ve hit your head. You’ve also lost your hat and a glove. Scratchy snow is packed down your shirt. Meltwater trickles down your neck and spine, joined soon by a thin line of blood from a small cut on your head.

This situation, you realize with an immediate sense of panic, is serious. Scrambling to rise, you collapse in pain, your ankle crumpling beneath you.

As you sink back into the snow, shaken, your heat begins to drain away at an alarming rate, your head alone accounting for 50 percent of the loss. The pain of the cold soon pierces your ears so sharply that you root about in the snow until you find your hat and mash it back onto your head.

But even that little activity has been exhausting. You know you should find your glove as well, and yet you’re becoming too weary to feel any urgency. You decide to have a short rest before going on.

An hour passes. at one point, a stray thought says you should start being scared, but fear is a concept that floats somewhere beyond your immediate reach, like that numb hand lying naked in the snow. You’ve slid into the temperature range at which cold renders the enzymes in your brain less efficient. With every one-degree drop in body temperature below 95, your cerebral metabolic rate falls off by 3 to 5 percent. When your core temperature reaches 93, amnesia nibbles at your consciousness. You check your watch: 12:58. Maybe someone will come looking for you soon. Moments later, you check again. You can’t keep the numbers in your head. You’ll remember little of what happens next.

Your head drops back. The snow crunches softly in your ear. In the minus-35-degree air, your core temperature falls about one degree every 30 to 40 minutes, your body heat leaching out into the soft, enveloping snow. Apathy at 91 degrees. Stupor at 90.

You’ve now crossed the boundary into profound hypothermia. By the time your core temperature has fallen to 88 degrees, your body has abandoned the urge to warm itself by shivering. Your blood is thickening like crankcase oil in a cold engine. Your oxygen consumption, a measure of your metabolic rate, has fallen by more than a quarter. Your kidneys, however, work overtime to process the fluid overload that occurred when the blood vessels in your extremities constricted and squeezed fluids toward your center. You feel a powerful urge to urinate, the only thing you feel at all.

By 87 degrees you’ve lost the ability to recognize a familiar face, should one suddenly appear from the woods.

At 86 degrees, your heart, its electrical impulses hampered by chilled nerve tissues, becomes arrhythmic. It now pumps less than two-thirds the normal amount of blood. The lack of oxygen and the slowing metabolism of your brain, meanwhile, begin to trigger visual and auditory hallucinations.

You hear jingle bells. Lifting your face from your snow pillow, you realize with a surge of gladness that they’re not sleigh bells; they’re welcoming bells hanging from the door of your friends’ cabin. You knew it had to be close by. The jingling is the sound of the cabin door opening, just through the fir trees.

Attempting to stand, you collapse in a tangle of skis and poles. That’s OK. You can crawl. It’s so close.

Hours later, or maybe it’s minutes, you realize the cabin still sits beyond the grove of trees. You’ve crawled only a few feet. The light on your wristwatch pulses in the darkness: 5:20. Exhausted, you decide to rest your head for a moment.

When you lift it again, you’re inside, lying on the floor before the woodstove. The fire throws off a red glow. First it’s warm; then it’s hot; then it’s searing your flesh. Your clothing has caught fire.

At 85 degrees, those freezing to death, in a strange, anguished paroxysm, often rip off their clothes. This phenomenon, known as paradoxical undressing, is common enough that urban hypothermia victims are sometimes initially diagnosed as victims of sexual assault. Though researchers are uncertain of the cause, the most logical explanation is that shortly before loss of consciousness, the constricted blood vessels near the body’s surface suddenly dilate and produce a sensation of extreme heat against the skin.

All you know is that you’re burning. You claw off your shell and pile sweater and fling them away.

But then, in a final moment of clarity, you realize there’s no stove, no cabin, no friends. You’re lying alone in the bitter cold, naked from the waist up. You grasp your terrible misunderstanding, a whole series of misunderstandings, like a dream ratcheting into wrongness. You’ve shed your clothes, your car, your oil-heated house in town. Without this ingenious technology you’re simply a delicate, tropical organism whose range is restricted to a narrow sunlit band that girds the earth at the equator.

And you’ve now ventured way beyond it.

There’s an adage about hypothermia: “You aren’t dead until you’re warm and dead.”

AngryScientist
02-07-2017, 10:58 AM
continued:

At about 6:00 the next morning, his friends, having discovered the stalled Jeep, find him, still huddled inches from the buried log, his gloveless hand shoved into his armpit. The flesh of his limbs is waxy and stiff as old putty, his pulse nonexistent, his pupils unresponsive to light. Dead.

But those who understand cold know that even as it deadens, it offers perverse salvation. Heat is a presence: the rapid vibrating of molecules. Cold is an absence: the damping of the vibrations. At absolute zero, minus 459.67 degrees Fahrenheit, molecular motion ceases altogether. It is this slowing that converts gases to liquids, liquids to solids, and renders solids harder. It slows bacterial growth and chemical reactions. In the human body, cold shuts down metabolism. The lungs take in less oxygen, the heart pumps less blood. Under normal temperatures, this would produce brain damage. But the chilled brain, having slowed its own metabolism, needs far less oxygen-rich blood and can, under the right circumstances, survive intact.

Setting her ear to his chest, one of his rescuers listens intently. Seconds pass. Then, faintly, she hears a tiny sound—a single thump, so slight that it might be the sound of her own blood. She presses her ear harder to the cold flesh. Another faint thump, then another.

The slowing that accompanies freezing is, in its way, so beneficial that it is even induced at times. Cardiologists today often use deep chilling to slow a patient’s metabolism in preparation for heart or brain surgery. In this state of near suspension, the patient’s blood flows slowly, his heart rarely beats—or in the case of those on heart-lung machines, doesn’t beat at all; death seems near. But carefully monitored, a patient can remain in this cold stasis, undamaged, for hours.

The rescuers quickly wrap their friend’s naked torso with a spare parka, his hands with mittens, his entire body with a bivy sack. They brush snow from his pasty, frozen face. Then one snakes down through the forest to the nearest cabin. The others, left in the pre-dawn darkness, huddle against him as silence closes around them. For a moment, the woman imagines she can hear the scurrying, breathing, snoring of a world of creatures that have taken cover this frigid night beneath the thick quilt of snow.

With a “one, two, three,” the doctor and nurses slide the man’s stiff, curled form onto a table fitted with a mattress filled with warm water which will be regularly reheated. They’d been warned that they had a profound hypothermia case coming in. Usually such victims can be straightened from their tortured fetal positions. This one can’t.

Technicians scissor with stainless-steel shears at the man’s urine-soaked long underwear and shell pants, frozen together like corrugated cardboard. They attach heart-monitor electrodes to his chest and insert a low-temperature electronic thermometer into his rectum. Digital readings flash: 24 beats per minute and a core temperature of 79.2 degrees.

The doctor shakes his head. He can’t remember seeing numbers so low. He’s not quite sure how to revive this man without killing him.

In fact, many hypothermia victims die each year in the process of being rescued. In “rewarming shock,” the constricted capillaries reopen almost all at once, causing a sudden drop in blood pressure. The slightest movement can send a victim’s heart muscle into wild spasms of ventricular fibrillation. In 1980, 16 shipwrecked Danish fishermen were hauled to safety after an hour and a half in the frigid North Sea. They then walked across the deck of the rescue ship, stepped below for a hot drink, and dropped dead, all 16 of them.

“78.9,” a technician calls out. “That’s three-tenths down.”

The patient is now experiencing “afterdrop,” in which residual cold close to the body’s surface continues to cool the core even after the victim is removed from the outdoors.

The doctor rapidly issues orders to his staff: intravenous administration of warm saline, the bag first heated in the microwave to 110 degrees. Elevating the core temperature of an average-size male one degree requires adding about 60 kilocalories of heat. A kilocalorie is the amount of heat needed to raise the temperature of one liter of water one degree Celsius. Since a quart of hot soup at 140 degrees offers about 30 kilocalories, the patient curled on the table would need to consume 40 quarts of chicken broth to push his core temperature up to normal. Even the warm saline, infused directly into his blood, will add only 30 kilocalories.

Ideally, the doctor would have access to a cardiopulmonary bypass machine, with which he could pump out the victim’s blood, rewarm and oxygenate it, and pump it back in again, safely raising the core temperature as much as one degree every three minutes. But such machines are rarely available outside major urban hospitals. Here, without such equipment, the doctor must rely on other options.

“Let’s scrub for surgery,” he calls out.


Moments later, he’s sliding a large catheter into an incision in the man’s abdominal cavity. Warm fluid begins to flow from a suspended bag, washing through his abdomen, and draining out through another catheter placed in another incision. Prosaically, this lavage operates much like a car radiator in reverse: The solution warms the internal organs, and the warm blood in the organs is then pumped by the heart throughout the body.

The patient’s stiff limbs begin to relax. His pulse edges up. But even so the jagged line of his heartbeat flashing across the EKG screen shows the curious dip known as a J wave, common to hypothermia patients.

“Be ready to defibrillate,” the doctor warns the EMTs.

For another hour, nurses and EMTs hover around the edges of the table where the patient lies centered in a warm pool of light, as if offered up to the sun god. They check his heart. They check the heat of the mattress beneath him. They whisper to one another about the foolishness of having gone out alone tonight.

And slowly the patient responds. Another liter of saline is added to the IV. The man’s blood pressure remains far too low, brought down by the blood flowing out to the fast-opening capillaries of his limbs. Fluid lost through perspiration and urination has reduced his blood volume. But every 15 or 20 minutes, his temperature rises another degree. The immediate danger of cardiac fibrillation lessens, as the heart and thinning blood warms. Frostbite could still cost him fingers or an earlobe. But he appears to have beaten back the worst of the frigidity.

For the next half hour, an EMT quietly calls the readouts of the thermometer, a mantra that marks the progress of this cold-blooded proto-organism toward a state of warmer, higher consciousness.

“90.4...
“92.2...”

From somewhere far away in the immense, cold darkness, you hear a faint, insistent hum. Quickly it mushrooms into a ball of sound, like a planet rushing toward you, and then it becomes a stream of words.

A voice is calling your name.

You don’t want to open your eyes. You sense heat and light playing against your eyelids, but beneath their warm dance a chill wells up inside you from the sunless ocean bottoms and the farthest depths of space. You are too tired even to shiver. You want only to sleep.

“Can you hear me?”

You force open your eyes. Lights glare overhead. Around the lights faces hover atop uniformed bodies. You try to think: You’ve been away a very long time, but where have you been?

“You’re at the hospital. You got caught in the cold.”

You try to nod. Your neck muscles feel rusted shut, unused for years. They respond to your command with only a slight twitch.

“You’ll probably have amnesia,” the voice says.

You remember the moon rising over the spiky ridgetop and skiing up toward it, toward someplace warm beneath the frozen moon. After that, nothing—only that immense coldness lodged inside you.

“We’re trying to get a little warmth back into you,” the voice says.

You’d nod if you could. But you can’t move. All you can feel is throbbing discomfort everywhere. Glancing down to where the pain is most biting, you notice blisters filled with clear fluid dotting your fingers, once gloveless in the snow. During the long, cold hours the tissue froze and ice crystals formed in the tiny spaces between your cells, sucking water from them, blocking the blood supply. You stare at them absently.

“I think they’ll be fine,” a voice from overhead says. “The damage looks superficial. We expect that the blisters will break in a week or so, and the tissue should revive after that.”

If not, you know that your fingers will eventually turn black, the color of bloodless, dead tissue. And then they will be amputated.

But worry slips from you as another wave of exhaustion sweeps in. Slowly you drift off, dreaming of warmth, of tropical ocean wavelets breaking across your chest, of warm sand beneath you.

Hours later, still logy and numb, you surface, as if from deep under water. A warm tide seems to be flooding your midsection. Focusing your eyes down there with difficulty, you see tubes running into you, their heat mingling with your abdomen’s depthless cold like a churned-up river. You follow the tubes to the bag that hangs suspended beneath the electric light.

And with a lurch that would be a sob if you could make a sound, you begin to understand: The bag contains all that you had so nearly lost. These people huddled around you have brought you sunlight and warmth, things you once so cavalierly dismissed as constant, available, yours, summoned by the simple twisting of a knob or tossing on of a layer.

But in the hours since you last believed that, you’ve traveled to a place where there is no sun. You’ve seen that in the infinite reaches of the universe, heat is as glorious and ephemeral as the light of the stars. Heat exists only where matter exists, where particles can vibrate and jump. In the infinite winter of space, heat is tiny; it is the cold that is huge.

Someone speaks. Your eyes move from bright lights to shadowy forms in the dim outer reaches of the room. You recognize the voice of one of the friends you set out to visit, so long ago now. She’s smiling down at you crookedly.

“It’s cold out there,” she says. “Isn’t it?

chiasticon
02-07-2017, 11:05 AM
awesome write-up. I read this a while back. maybe linked from here...? anyway, definitely worth the read (twice even!). thanks for linking.

stay warm out there...

93legendti
02-07-2017, 11:05 AM
Thanks.

I keep extra blankets, hats, gloves, jackets, fleeces, socks and blankets in my SUV for the 4 of us...and a few bic lighters...and a multi tool, duct tape and a back up portable charger for my phone.


I have since a buddy who is ex special forces (Israeli equivalent of Green Beret) was trapped in his car by a snow bank for over 20 hours - in only a hoodie and jeans. I told him what an idiot he was...

AngryScientist
02-07-2017, 11:13 AM
I told him what an idiot he was...

yea. what's bad is this is exactly the kind of situation i could see myself getting into, easily. it's all too easy to forget about how fragile we are out there in harsh environments.

Tickdoc
02-07-2017, 11:13 AM
Wow. Good read

When I read this I think of my friend Jim who is a sioux and lives on a reservation. His truck is always packed fall through spring (f250 4x4 w camper) with blankets, stove, food, water, because the weather in South Dakota can be so unpredictable that you can get stuck and end up dead.

It is amazing what the human body can do under extreme duress.

Another thought is one of my favorite based on a true story movies "The Way back":

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTg5MTc5MTM3Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDI2NzgwNA@@._ V1_UX182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1023114/

93legendti
02-07-2017, 11:22 AM
yea. what's bad is this is exactly the kind of situation i could see myself getting into, easily. it's all too easy to forget about how fragile we are out there in harsh environments.

Me too.


One time I drove to northern Michigan for a deposition and couldn't get into a rural town - the one road leading in was closed indefinitely because of an ice storm. I could have circled back for an hour and tried to get in on the other side of the town, but it was 7:00pm. December 23. I had no clue what the conditions were. This was 2001. No smartphone.

I turned around and came back home. I called my wife and said I didn't want to get trapped out there in my car with no way to retreat, in case the ice storm got worse while I waited to see if the road would be opened.


My buddy I referred to above was stuck on a stretch of 401 on the way to Toronto. He traveled there on several occasions. I've been on that stretch of road 40 years ago and there are always white outs in the winter...What good is survival training if you deliberately tie your hands behind your back?

verticaldoug
02-07-2017, 11:43 AM
I was a kid growing up in Minnesota on the Mississippi River. We had this little creek which flowed into the river about a mile from my house. When I was about 13 or 14 we were screwing around on the ice on the creek since it was frozen over (because when you are 13 or 14, that is the kind of stupid stuff you do). I unfortunately found a thin spot with some fast water and fell through up to my thighs. Snowmobile boots soaked, and pants, long underwear soaked. I decided to try to hustle home. By the time I got home, my pants legs were frozen into the little stove pipe shape and I was doing a bit of a straight leg straddle.

I was so happy to get the iced clothes off and remember how cold my legs and feet were which hurt like hell. It probably wasn't even that cold. Maybe a little below zero.

I think it was more fun being a kid back in 70s than it is now. Texting your friends or falling through ice. Easy choice in my opinion.

bobswire
02-07-2017, 12:15 PM
4 years ago coming back from Yosemite on 120 at the highest point in winter the thing-a-ma-jig that switches auto 4wd to 2wd went out, wheels stopped as though I hit the brakes on an icy surface and car started drifting to cliff side of the road but at the last second before going over I was able to counter and headed into the opposite side and slammed into granite hillside. At first I didn't know what had happened to the car and restarted it to get from being in the middle of the road at a blind corner on icy surface. Car wouldn't get in gear but I was on a slight downhill section and able to coast into a turn out. My girlfriend and I got out to check auto, front right tire was toast and rim had a slight dent from hitting granite wall,other than that no cosmetic damage. Since we were out of cell phone range and no vehicles coming by I decided to change flat tire to see if I could rock or somehow get the car in gear. Since it was very cold I kept the motor running to keep auto warm since I still had planty of gas. BTW it's no fun changing a tire in the snow with the hokey jack and tools that come with the car but I persevered. Anyway I couldn't wait to get back into the warmth of the car as my hands were freezing but lo and behold the car locked me out. It's an auto feature that locks the doors after 10 or 15 minutes, you know to keep kids from opening and falling out or keep old folks like me and my girlfriend from getting in and letting us freeze to death.
Since no other cars have came by for a least half an hour I had no choice put to break one of the small side fake vent windows to get back inside the car so we wouldn't freeze to death. After awhile we were able to hitch a ride to ranger station which was approx. 20 mi.away, I was then able to contact AAA for a tow. We dried off, warmed up then I hitched a ride back to the auto to wait on the AAA flatbed tow truck for my SUV. This proved to me how quickly an enjoyable trip can turn into dangerous situation,had we went off the cliff side that would have been the end of it as there would have been no sign of the car or us. That was the last time I took that route in the dead of winter.

eBAUMANN
02-07-2017, 12:23 PM
and that...is why i dont ski :cool:

great read, thanks for sharing!

thwart
02-07-2017, 12:26 PM
It probably wasn't even that cold. Maybe a little below zero.


Ha! That frame of reference only works if you're from someplace that really gets frigid... like the upper Midwest for example...

sc53
02-07-2017, 01:00 PM
That Outside story was riveting. And Bobswire's experience was horrifying. I keep a frame pump and a pair of running shoes in my car; think I'll add in a fleece and a lighter. Maybe some gloves too.

Black Dog
02-07-2017, 01:14 PM
Having lived in the Arctic for many years, I can say that cold temperatures should be respected at all times. Does not take much to be prepared for a situation like this.

AngryScientist
02-07-2017, 01:21 PM
I can say that cold temperatures should be respected at all times..

this is true. it's all too easy to get complacent though, and forget the consequences of one link of the chain goes down.

extreme heat is similar.

paredown
02-07-2017, 01:40 PM
and that...is why i dont ski :cool:

great read, thanks for sharing!

Horrifying to read...

I still remember skiing down from Whistler very late in the day, in complete fog--you get inversions there that are really bad--and my friend and I (who knew the mountain well) picking our way carefully so that we would stay on the trail.

We saw the ski patrol sweep go by...

Next day, we read that some guys (on the same trail down) lost the trail, didn't have the basics in their head (dig a snow cave close to a tree, use boughs for a roof, huddle for warmth and wait out the night etc.). Instead they walked around in circles, and collapsed and died of hypothermia.

The thing is--it doesn't have to be that cold to be life-threatening.

A buddy used to work for the volunteer mountain rescue in Vancouver--the stories were legion about people wandering into the wilderness like they were going around the corner for a cup of coffee. Even for day trips, I started carrying the basics--space blanket, windbreaker, food, matches etc... The one time I had no kit we lost the trail, and spent the night. Had matches though, so that was a good thing, but I can tell you, a night on the mountain in light hiking clothes when it is low 20s F, is pretty frickin' uncomfortable, even with a fire...

93legendti
02-07-2017, 01:43 PM
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To build a fire...

AngryScientist
02-07-2017, 01:44 PM
Had matches though,...


even with a fire...

yea, and having matches is a good part of the equation, but not the whole story. starting a fire on a wet windy day in the woods is not necessarily a picnic. even if you know what you're doing, starting a fire under serious stress conditions, in a wet environment, with only 6 matches left in the tin...

93legendti
02-07-2017, 02:03 PM
yea, and having matches is a good part of the equation, but not the whole story. starting a fire on a wet windy day in the woods is not necessarily a picnic. even if you know what you're doing, starting a fire under serious stress conditions, in a wet environment, with only 6 matches left in the tin...


As a kid in the 70's, a camping trip in a pine forest several of us tried to start a fire in the middle of a 2 day rain storm. Nearly impossible. Even with a poncho over the fire site, we only succeeded using the forbidden method (not my idea): spraying the match with an aerosol can.

And I can start a one match fire. Of course, no one thought to use Vaseline or even lip balm - which is my go to trick now a days

AngryScientist
02-07-2017, 02:04 PM
Vaseline or even lip balm - which is my go to trick now a days

brilliant.

adding some of that to my camp kit!

choke
02-07-2017, 02:14 PM
In the story, the first mistake he made was leaving the vehicle.

brilliant.

adding some of that to my camp kit!Buy some cotton balls and coat the outside with Vaseline. When you want to light them you can peel them open - the cotton will catch on fire easy and the Vaseline will help keep it burning for a while. You can stuff several in small baggie or something like a film canister.

AngryScientist
02-07-2017, 02:20 PM
In the story, the first mistake he made was leaving the vehicle.


well, the FIRST mistake he made was not throwing a shovel in the truck. i want to think that a proper 4WD jeep should be able to get unstuck from most any snow situation with a minimal amount of snow removal.

agreed though, trying to ski uphill to the top of a mountain and attempting to shortcut the switchbacks was not a wise move, given the conditions presented.

AngryScientist
02-07-2017, 02:22 PM
by the way, i love reading these survival typed stories. if nothing else they help to mentally prepare you for what not to do in situations where smart thinking can be a lifesaver.

93legendti
02-07-2017, 03:01 PM
brilliant.

adding some of that to my camp kit!

I got the idea from Les Stroud. Works amazingly well. When it is really windy out and I am making a small fire for the kids to cook s'mores, Vaseline keeps the one match fire claim intact. ;)

You can also use a Fritos chip. The oil in the chip will burn.

93legendti
02-07-2017, 03:09 PM
When we travel, I also keep water purifier straws, duct tape, paracord, a lighter, lip balm, multi tool, simple first aid kit and emergency Mylar ponchos in my day pack.


"Just in case"

BPMasterman
02-07-2017, 06:58 PM
Great info. When I was a teenager, my dad always told me to keep a crate with extra "winter emergency supplies" in the back of the car. Guess he was right. Hahaha!

HenryA
02-07-2017, 06:59 PM
"Unexpected" or "unintended" might be the keywords here. When you are properly prepared it's unlikely that you'll suffer a grave consequence. It's the times when you think one thing but reality thinks another that you get in trouble.

I used to paddle whitewater year-round and especially in the winter when the water conditions were at their best. Even though we paddled in water that was nearly frozen (sometimes literally slushy) and in air temperatures that were below freezing, we never had any trouble because we knew we had to be prepared and we were.

The coldest I've ever been was on a bike ride starting out on a 70° April blue sky day. By the time I was 40 miles from home it was 50° and a light steady rain. I was wearing shorts and a jersey and had no extra clothing. I made it home thanks to Little Debbie snack cakes with marshmallow cream and a fully fueled engine from those ultra high calorie snacks. A rain jacket would have been wonderful but my encounter with the cold rain was not expected so I was not prepared.

Carrying extra clothes and a little food is a great idea most all the time.

And I'll add that the situation does not have to be nearly as dramatic as the OP's story. And its many times more dangerous if you're wet.

weisan
02-07-2017, 07:02 PM
This part is very interesting....

"The doctor shakes his head. He can’t remember seeing numbers so low. He’s not quite sure how to revive this man without killing him.

In fact, many hypothermia victims die each year in the process of being rescued. In “rewarming shock,” the constricted capillaries reopen almost all at once, causing a sudden drop in blood pressure."

beeatnik
02-07-2017, 08:11 PM
At 85 degrees, those freezing to death, in a strange, anguished paroxysm, often rip off their clothes. This phenomenon, known as paradoxical undressing, is common enough that urban hypothermia victims are sometimes initially diagnosed as victims of sexual assault. Though researchers are uncertain of the cause, the most logical explanation is that shortly before loss of consciousness, the constricted blood vessels near the body’s surface suddenly dilate and produce a sensation of extreme heat against the skin.

When my former brother-in-law was a rookie in the LAPD, he was assigned to Central Division (he didn't get any of his top 3 choices) which includes Skid Row, home to the largest homeless population in the industrialized world. He worked graveyard and at the end of his first week, early Sunday morning, a homeless woman was found DOA on the sidewalk wearing only a top. It didn't take long for the paramedics to realize that she had succumbed to exposure (tho it was a typically mild SoCal winter night with lows in the high 40s). Initially, the investigation focused on a possible sexual assault but, according to coroner she had more than likely lost her pants due to a combination of rigor mortis and the phenomenon mentioned above.

After doing a year in Skid Row, J was assigned to Pacific Division which includes Pacific Palisades (where Spielberg lives) and Bel Air. LA is so weird.

johnmdesigner
02-07-2017, 09:05 PM
Many years ago (before gentrification) I lived in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. My street had several ”boarding houses” catering to the Polish men that worked construction. These guys were pretty hard core and were used to harsh conditions as they would point brick on the sides of buildings at all times of the year and I never met one that wore gloves in the winter. Around 3pm on Friday they would start to return to the neighborhood. They would buy a liter of soda and a liter of vodka. They would pour half the soda in the sewer and refill with the vodka. That would get them through most of Friday night and well into Saturday.
My building had a low iron railing across the front with spikes on top to keep people out of the space between the sidewalk and the front door.
We had bitter cold one Friday night with high winds and drifting snow. As we were partying inside ourselves I decided to step outside about 4am to feel the storm.
One of these drunken guys had hooked himself on my fence with the back of his jacket and his arms (no gloves) on the spikes like he had been crucified. His jacket was unzipped and he had a t shirt on underneath. We managed to get him off the fence but we had to carry him in through the front door foyer sideways because his arms were frozen.
He did survive according to the EMS but just.
They also liked to get drunk at the end of my street on the pier and drown in the East River.
Ah, the good old days in Greenpoint.

Louis
02-07-2017, 09:28 PM
Best solution is to stay away from places like that in winter.

http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/c17/e1c/our-cabana-on-the-beach-santa-isabel.jpg

nesteel
02-07-2017, 09:59 PM
When I was 18 I lost a friend and co-worker after he and his cousin got caught in a late season blizzard while out hunting. It was sweatshirt/jean jacket weather when they left, and turned quite suddenly into a full on white out in the afternoon. Search and rescue found them two days later, about 200 yards from where their Jeep was parked. They almost made it back.
It pays to be prepared. That's a lesson I've never forgotten. That sure as hell is not a way I want to go out.

Louis
02-07-2017, 10:12 PM
They almost made it back.

And even if you do make it back alive, often the consequences aren't pretty.

Beck Weathers (Everest, May '96)

http://7summitsproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/398727_600.jpg

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/beck-weathers-hollywood-ca-september-los-angeles-premiere-everest-held-tcl-chinese-theater-hollywood-usa-59159018.jpg

notsew
02-08-2017, 10:37 AM
https://www.amazon.com/Build-Other-Stories-Bantam-Classics/dp/0553213350/ref=pd_sim_14_5?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=WCD5A04B18KSK6ZX73FV

To build a fire...

I remember reading that book in middle school. Still makes me anxious thinking about it.

paredown
02-08-2017, 02:30 PM
As a kid in the 70's, a camping trip in a pine forest several of us tried to start a fire in the middle of a 2 day rain storm. Nearly impossible. Even with a poncho over the fire site, we only succeeded using the forbidden method (not my idea): spraying the match with an aerosol can.

And I can start a one match fire. Of course, no one thought to use Vaseline or even lip balm - which is my go to trick now a days

When we back packed in the PNW, we used to carry fire starter cubes in ziplocks. I was never to proud to use them when it was drizzling or the wood was wet.

AngryScientist
02-08-2017, 02:32 PM
I was never to proud to use them .

hey with backpacking, the game is all about using what you brought in, ummm - your backpack. it's all fair game.

benb
02-08-2017, 02:40 PM
There are a bunch of great books about stories like this..

I've read "Death in Yosemite" and "Death in the Grand Canyon", both good reads.

Looking on Amazon there are a bunch more from other authors, looks like there is a Yellowstone book and a Glacier National Park book.

I am usually pretty good about carrying a shovel in my car and I keep a pair of gore tex pants in the car for emergencies since we typically wear warm coats/hats/gloves/boots in the winter but ignore warm pants. But then again I just don't live in that dangerous of an area.

Last spring I broke my chain on a road ride.. it was in the 50s and it got REAL cold real fast standing on the side of the road waiting for the sag wagon. Cold enough someone stopped in there car and lent me a coat. Spring/Fall actually seem more dangerous for cycling, in the winter I'm dressed warm enough to be OK walking out if my bike broke. Not necessarily so in the spring/summer.

redir
02-08-2017, 03:00 PM
That's crazy. I had a real bad chill one time back country skiing at Crested Butte in Colorado. When I finally got to my truck and got it started it really saved my life I'm sure of it. I always keep a warm sleeping bag and other cold survival gear when traveling in the mountains. I used to bring a carbide lamp with me but it's hard to get carbide anymore.

93legendti
02-08-2017, 03:10 PM
When we back packed in the PNW, we used to carry fire starter cubes in ziplocks. I was never to proud to use them when it was drizzling or the wood was wet.

I'm all for it. Thinking ahead is smart. Why waste time and energy on swimming against the stream?

On the trip I referred to we were campers and there were 2-3 counselors who were "trippers". No clue why they weren't prepped for extreme rain. We just did as we were told.

Louis
02-08-2017, 05:20 PM
Re: fire starters

Fire pistons are a pretty neat concept. They aren't the easiest thing to use, since they only start the teeniest of embers, but they really do work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5GXIZcVOPk

gdw
02-08-2017, 05:39 PM
Ferro rods/firesteels are much easier to use. They throw enough sparks to light dry tinder and easily ignite waxed or Vaseline treated cotton balls if needed. They also can be used to light gas/alcohol stoves and lanterns.