Steel suggestions

[stephenmarklay]

I would like to get a new frame next year. Right now I have a CSI that I picked up on the forum and its a great bike. I will keep it.

However, I would like to get a really nice frame to build up. Not that the CSI is not but something special.

I doubt a custom Kirk is in my budget but perhaps an older Merckx leader etc.

What do you guys suggest for say a frame/fork in the $1500+- range (likely used) that would be a keeper?

[Hilltopperny]

Having owned a ridiculous amount of steel frames I'd have to say my favorite steel frame so far is a Pegoretti duende. I liked it so much I am buying a Mxxxxxo as well. With the proper timing and patience you can have one within your budget.

[Ti_on_Steel]

I test road an All City Mr Pink, and for <$1,000 it's a killer ride. Put the extra cash into wheels.

[Black Dog]

You are riding one of the best steel frames ever made. You will have a hard time finding anything better short of a custom.

[SoCalSteve]

You are riding one of the best steel frames ever made. You will have a hard time finding anything better short of a custom.

I agree! I should have never sold my CSI to Jeff N, nor sold my Hors, Mevieci ( you get the point )...:eek:

[ceolwulf]

Might one suggest a "keeper" bike in a different material? Look 585 perhaps.

It might be a better option than a different steel frame which you might end up disappointed in as not being significantly better than what you have.

[FlashUNC]

Della Santa. Totally in that price range, and its an amazing ride.

[stephenmarklay]

Might one suggest a "keeper" bike in a different material? Look 585 perhaps.

It might be a better option than a different steel frame which you might end up disappointed in as not being significantly better than what you have.

A bike I have heard all kinds of good things about.

[echelon_john]

Della Santa 100%

[stephenmarklay]

Della Santa 100%

Thank you or this.

[stephenmarklay]

Della Santa. Totally in that price range, and its an amazing ride.

And thank you as well. On my eBay search.

[gomango]

Thank you or this.

Can't miss.

I've been riding our son's DS quite a bit and it's all that and a bag of chips.

[jlwdm]

CSI.

Jeff

[Tickdoc]

I'd be looking for something nos slx Italian. Should have money left over for the build.

I don't know how to link eBay pics from my iPad, but there is a scapin pro on there now that has me weak in the knees:beer:

[dancinkozmo]

marinoni piuma supreme....about 1200 US at current exchange rate

http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/PiumaSupreme.html

[alexstar]

If you find a De Rosa Neo Primato, get it. Killer ride :beer:

[MikeD]

What's wrong with a Ritchey Logic?

[John H.]

Do you want a racing frame, or a riding around and feeling cool frame?

If for racing, do you do hilly races?

[stephenmarklay]

Do you want a racing frame, or a riding around and feeling cool frame?

If for racing, do you do hilly races?

I won't race it but it would see gran fondos and such. So a road race rather than crit geo. Most of my riding is rolling but my typical climbs are at moats mike or so at max 8-10%. Although as a keeper it could see more varied uphill endeavors.

[stephenmarklay]

What's wrong with a Ritchey Logic?

Nothing at all. I rather like the older originals. I do however like some of the lug work from Della Santa. Ritchey bikes look more pedestrian but I hear ride well.

[Elefantino]

What's wrong with some new high-zoot wheels for the CSI?

[weisan]

If this fits you, you don't have to wait till next year.
http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=196464

Oh, and you can use the leftover money to buy a nice set of wheels or Di2.

[Ken Robb]

One of the earlier Rivendells with clearance for tires as fat as you would probably ever want to ride. Riv. Road, Rambouillet, Romulus, etc. You already have one of the best racy/skinny tire steel bikes ever made.

[John H.]

You like lugs and are not racing- so something like a Della Santa might fit the bill.
I would take a modern lugged bike over a vintage Merckx any day.
I think Eddy's carry a premium price for what they are.
There are lots of guys who still make nice lugged bikes- pick one that fits your budget.
I know that you said Kirk was out of your budget. What about a Della Santa, Rock Lobster, Hampsten, Zanc?

I won't race it but it would see gran fondos and such. So a road race rather than crit geo. Most of my riding is rolling but my typical climbs are at moats mike or so at max 8-10%. Although as a keeper it could see more varied uphill endeavors.

[weisan]

One of the earlier Rivendells with clearance for tires as fat as you would probably ever want to ride. Riv. Road, Rambouillet, Romulus, etc. You already have one of the best racy/skinny tire steel bikes ever made.

Ken pal made very good point. :rolleyes: :D

[Mike V]

And thank you as well. On my eBay search.

No need for eBay. Call Roland. Your price range is about he changes new.

[cadence90]

You like lugs and are not racing- so something like a Della Santa might fit the bill.
I would take a modern lugged bike over a vintage Merckx any day.
I think Eddy's carry a premium price for what they are.
There are lots of guys who still make nice lugged bikes- pick one that fits your budget.
I know that you said Kirk was out of your budget. What about a Della Santa, Rock Lobster, Hampsten, Zanc?

How far is Spokane from Seattle?

http://davidsonbicycles.com/wp-content/gallery/steel/280796678_3f6cf693ec_z.jpg

http://davidsonbicycles.com/wp-content/gallery/steel/gibbs.jpg

[FlashUNC]

And thank you as well. On my eBay search.

Forget used. Roland will build you something new, full custom for that ball park budget you've got. Give him a ring. It's worth it.

[fogrider]

Forget used. Roland will build you something new, full custom for that ball park budget you've got. Give him a ring. It's worth it.

Agreed, if you want a Della Santa, have him build you a new one! but understand what you're getting, a great ride in a bike build the old way. a steel bike with lugs...I think he might also build fillet brazed.

[OtayBW]

I have to say that I am riding my De Rosa EL-OS (Primato) as much or more as anything else these days. Just amazes me every ride....:banana:

[oldpotatoe]

I would like to get a new frame next year. Right now I have a CSI that I picked up on the forum and its a great bike. I will keep it.

However, I would like to get a really nice frame to build up. Not that the CSI is not but something special.

I doubt a custom Kirk is in my budget but perhaps an older Merckx leader etc.

What do you guys suggest for say a frame/fork in the $1500+- range (likely used) that would be a keeper?

Merckx MXLeader, Merckx Century, Merckx Corsa or Corsa Extra...all keepers.

[oldpotatoe]

Forget used. Roland will build you something new, full custom for that ball park budget you've got. Give him a ring. It's worth it.

very pretty but...$1500 for a new, custom, lugged frame and fork? (No pricing on the 'web' site).

[tuscanyswe]

Just built up an Atlanta and rode it today for the first time, very nice riding bike and likely very similar to your CSI, Considering you have a CSI id get a nice more modern tigwelded lighter steel frame. Ive yet to have an Independent fabrication steel frame i dident like and ive had a few now. Id also want to try a Peg if i find one with a paint job i like..

[stephenmarklay]

Thank you guys for all of these great ideas. For the recored I do like my CSI and I will keep it.

Thanks for the heads up on the new pricing of a DS. I had no clue.

I like the century geo of he old Merckx but I could get that with a DS too.

[Clancy]

Surprised no one has mentioned Gunnar. American made steel frame. For your budget you can easily get a custom frame. My Gunnar rides as nice as my custom stainless steel bike. My Ritchey is also a beautiful riding steel frame.

One reason I mention Gunnar is that you can go custom. Often buying a used frame is a compromise with sizing, you are buying someone else's perfect bike which may not be perfect for you.

[stephenmarklay]

Steelman SR is easy on the eyes.

[TimD]

Having owned a ridiculous amount of steel frames I'd have to say my favorite steel frame so far is a Pegoretti duende. I liked it so much I am buying a Mxxxxxo as well.

The Marcelo is a superb riding frame. That said, the rear was always a bit stiff for my liking over long distances, which caused me to want to try a Duende. Haven't done that yet.

It may not fit nor be within your budget but the Serotta CdA discussed here recently might be a good choice...

[Hilltopperny]

The Marcelo is a superb riding frame. That said, the rear was always a bit stiff for my liking over long distances, which caused me to want to try a Duende. Haven't done that yet.

It may not fit nor be within your budget but the Serotta CdA discussed here recently might be a good choice...

I'm a heavyweight so I think the extra stiffness in the Marcelo on the road should work well for me. My duende is a cross bike with compass Barlow pass tires. It is the smoothest riding bike I've ever ridden. I briefly owned a cda and it was an awesome bike as well. Without a doubt serotta made some of the best riding bicycles I've ever ridden. The duende got me to sell off my concours which was up to that point my favorite bicycle.

[Mzilliox]

Steelman SR is easy on the eyes.

thats lovely!

[SPOKE]

What size are you looking for? I have a Bedford TiG Comp that's very lightly used....55 x 55.5

[jh_on_the_cape]

i see 2 options:

'budget custom'
Ted Wojcik or Curtlo there are others.

used boutique. you have a bike, so just watch and wait for something you like.

I would go the second one. Get something different to try. if it doesn't work out you can resell for not that big of a loss, unlike a new custom.

[echelon_john]

My DS was $1725 for frame and fork including shipping to my door in 2013.

So not $1500, but damn close...


very pretty but...$1500 for a new, custom, lugged frame and fork? (No pricing on the 'web' site).

[stephenmarklay]

What size are you looking for? I have a Bedford TiG Comp that's very lightly used....55 x 55.5

Thanks, thats a touch small. I am also partial to lugs.

[stephenmarklay]

i see 2 options:

'budget custom'
Ted Wojcik or Curtlo there are others.

used boutique. you have a bike, so just watch and wait for something you like.

I would go the second one. Get something different to try. if it doesn't work out you can resell for not that big of a loss, unlike a new custom.

Kind or my feeling as well. Who knows maybe a Kirk DKS will show up :hello:

[FlashUNC]

very pretty but...$1500 for a new, custom, lugged frame and fork? (No pricing on the 'web' site).

Very close to that. Mine with all the extra bells and whistles -- Ossobucco stays, Cane Creek headset, frame pump painted to match -- was $2k to my door in four months.

Base price when I ordered -- full custom frame and fork, one color paint job -- was $1600.

[echelon_john]

And just to fan the flames...

[stephenmarklay]

And just to fan the flames...

A guy do do far worse… Nice looking bike.

[bfd]

Steelman SR is easy on the eyes.

It is my understanding that Brent Steelman is no longer building! He's now into the rug business and I hear do very well.

check it out:

http://www.rugrabbit.com/

And he's on Etsy too!

https://www.etsy.com/shop/Antieksman

Good Luck!

[John H.]

Yeah, but if you say a Kirk is too much scratch, a Steelman is out of the question.
He charges a lot nowadays (Not that I think he charges too much- just pointing out that Brent is not in the "bargain frameset" category).

Steelman SR is easy on the eyes.

[wai2fast]

How about a Merckx Liege 75? Looks pretty sharp.

[adamhell]

dude...
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/roadeo-frameset-orange-59cm

edit: way out of price range, sorry. a used rambouillet is the way to go, then!

[stephenmarklay]

It is my understanding that Brent Steelman is no longer building! He's now into the rug business and I hear do very well.

check it out:

http://www.rugrabbit.com/

And he's on Etsy too!

https://www.etsy.com/shop/Antieksman

Good Luck!

Wow. Well building steel bikes must be a very difficult way to make a living. I know he has had ups and downs with it. I wish him the best of luck. I does not take away from the fact he did nice work best I can tell.

[sandyrs]

It is my understanding that Brent Steelman is no longer building! He's now into the rug business and I hear do very well.

check it out:

http://www.rugrabbit.com/

And he's on Etsy too!

https://www.etsy.com/shop/Antieksman

Good Luck!

What is your understanding based on? His site is still up, with prices listed.

[bfd]

What is your understanding based on? His site is still up, with prices listed.

Agree, but the site was last updated on Jan 10, 2015. My "understanding" is from two people, one shop owner and another guy, who have talked to him. Yes, totally hearsay, but it sounded like selling high-end rugs and furniture from Europe is ALOT more profitable than building frames.

Further, he has taken a "break" or "hiatus" back in 2007 and wasn't accepting orders:

http://www.steelmancycles.com/history.html

Nevertheless, I'm sure if someone offers him the "going rate" for a top tier builder, i.e., what Sachs or Vanilla are getting - about $6k+/frameset from what I've heard, it may get him going again! Good Luck!

[FlashUNC]

And just to fan the flames...

Another for the wood pile.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1680/24956099662_f842562e42_b.jpg

[macaroon]

There's some nice Tommasini's on ebay at the moment. All a touch too small for me though......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Frameset-Tommasini-Prestige-Columbus-Brain-Stunning-and-Timeless-Campagnolo-/302140512198?hash=item4658fa57c6:g:eLcAAOSwcUBYJ1A 2

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOMASSINI-Fire-Columbus-Spirit-Steel-Road-Bike-Frame-set-54-54cm-VGC-/322324287061?hash=item4b0c064e55:g:veQAAOSwHMJYJNl i

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Beautiful-TOMMASINI-FIRE-Foco-CUSTOM-Steel-Road-Rahmen-Frame-Set-Size-60cm-/182361463502?hash=item2a75971ace:g:N4IAAOSwHMJYFyf D

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Frame-Tommasini-Fire-Columbus-Niobium-Spirit-/152318570355?hash=item2376e4ef73:g:4yQAAOSw44BYKrU q

[cadence90]

Just built up an Atlanta and rode it today for the first time, very nice riding bike and likely very similar to your CSI, Considering you have a CSI id get a nice more modern tigwelded lighter steel frame. Ive yet to have an Independent fabrication steel frame i dident like and ive had a few now. Id also want to try a Peg if i find one with a paint job i like..

I completely agree with this proposition...it makes a lot of sense, imo.



Also because I would REALLY love one of these, in this color...original Scapin "Spirit S8" in "Ice Blue".

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/scapin%20s8%20sp%20443_01_zpsqxu68fnj.jpg

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/scapin%20s8%20sp%20443_02_zpszfpv7dmf.jpg

http://si6.mtb-news.de/fotos/data/500/scapin_detail_1.JPG

http://si6.mtb-news.de/fotos/data/500/scapin_detail_3.JPG




And just to make matters that much worse, the new Scapin Spirit, currently available through Scapin's "Custom Steel" program, is even more elegant (but $2195 :().

And if the red "S" was instead an ITA blue "S", this thing would be perfect.

http://www.scapinusa.com/custom-steel/

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Scapin%20Spirit%20Custom%20Steel%20-%20Ice%20Blue_zpsst6ydxrw.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Scapin%20Spirit%20Custom%20Steel%20-%20Ice%20Blue_zpsst6ydxrw.jpg.html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Scapin%20Spirit%20Custom%20Steel%20-%20Ice%20Blue-2_zps6bgjzcro.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Scapin%20Spirit%20Custom%20Steel%20-%20Ice%20Blue-2_zps6bgjzcro.jpg.html)
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[stephenmarklay]

Another for the wood pile.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1680/24956099662_f842562e42_b.jpg

Talk to me about those chain stays?

[echelon_john]

Moth damage.

Talk to me about those chain stays?

[beeemmjay]

New Scapin in Ice Blue is definitely the way to go!

...but I'm biased, because that's my bike!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJ-lq1Bhgpf/

Columbus Spirit tubing, Mizuno fork, Chorus, Tune, and Schmolke, all add up to just a hair over 15lbs.
My geo is slightly tweaked from stock, we stretched out the wheelbase and dropped the BB a touch (I'm no crit racer).

I 100% endorse this option:)

I completely agree with this proposition...it makes a lot of sense, imo.



Also because I would REALLY love one of these, in this color...original Scapin "Spirit S8" in "Ice Blue".

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/scapin%20s8%20sp%20443_01_zpsqxu68fnj.jpg

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/scapin%20s8%20sp%20443_02_zpszfpv7dmf.jpg

http://si6.mtb-news.de/fotos/data/500/scapin_detail_1.JPG

http://si6.mtb-news.de/fotos/data/500/scapin_detail_3.JPG




And just to make matters that much worse, the new Scapin Spirit, currently available through Scapin's "Custom Steel" program, is even more elegant (but $2195 :().

And if the red "S" was instead an ITA blue "S", this thing would be perfect.

http://www.scapinusa.com/custom-steel/

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Scapin%20Spirit%20Custom%20Steel%20-%20Ice%20Blue_zpsbqn9kebg.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Scapin%20Spirit%20Custom%20Steel%20-%20Ice%20Blue_zpsbqn9kebg.jpg.html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Scapin%20Spirit%20Custom%20Steel%20-%20Ice%20Blue-2_zps6bgjzcro.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Scapin%20Spirit%20Custom%20Steel%20-%20Ice%20Blue-2_zps6bgjzcro.jpg.html)
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[FlashUNC]

Talk to me about those chain stays?

Drilled out, sleeved and brazed. Inspired by the Masi slotted chainstays of the 70s, but something that, in Roland's words, wouldn't crack like those had a tendency to.

In a vacuum, these chainstays are supposedly stiffer than the standard. But again, as Roland told me, once you braze it into a triangle, then clamp a wheel in there, you'll be damned if you can tell a difference in performance. They mostly just look cool, and he admitted as much. Minor upcharge, but well worth it for the coffee shop points I think. They are a total pain in the butt to clean, but don't make any noise that I can detect when out on the road.

Here's the jig he uses to make 'em.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3839/14787656061_b30a059a45_b.jpg

[stephenmarklay]

Drilled out, sleeved and brazed. Inspired by the Masi slotted chainstays of the 70s, but something that, in Roland's words, wouldn't crack like those had a tendency to.

In a vacuum, these chainstays are supposedly stiffer than the standard. But again, as Roland told me, once you braze it into a triangle, then clamp a wheel in there, you'll be damned if you can tell a difference in performance. They mostly just look cool, and he admitted as much. Minor upcharge, but well worth it for the coffee shop points I think. They are a total pain in the butt to clean, but don't make any noise that I can detect when out on the road.

Here's the jig he uses to make 'em.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3839/14787656061_b30a059a45_b.jpg

I think it looks great. I would not do it is it would drive me mad trying to keep it clean.

[DarkStar]

marinoni piuma supreme....about 1200 US at current exchange rate

http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/PiumaSupreme.html
Have two, race and touring. Both excellent and at an very good price.

[weisan]

C'mon, Stephen pal, we all know what started this is because you saw my Rivendell. A) No, you can't have it B) they don't make em' like this anymore and C) I paid a lot less than $1500 .... :D

[stephenmarklay]

C'mon, Stephen pal, we all know what started this is because you saw my Rivendell. A) No, you can't have it B) they don't make em' like this anymore and C) I paid a lot less than $1500 .... :D

I’m not that old yet :eek:

[weisan]

I’m not that old yet :eek:

Awwww....WWW..... That hurts!

[cadence90]

New Scapin in Ice Blue is definitely the way to go!

...but I'm biased, because that's my bike!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJ-lq1Bhgpf/

Columbus Spirit tubing, Mizuno fork, Chorus, Tune, and Schmolke, all add up to just a hair over 15lbs.
My geo is slightly tweaked from stock, we stretched out the wheelbase and dropped the BB a touch (I'm no crit racer).

I 100% endorse this option:)
Wow. Lucky you! :beer:

[oldpotatoe]

C'mon, Stephen pal, we all know what started this is because you saw my Rivendell. A) No, you can't have it B) they don't make em' like this anymore and C) I paid a lot less than $1500 .... :D

Do ya have to send a birthday card to Grant each year now?

Have you thrown all your bibshorts away yet? :D

[cadence90]

Do ya have to send a birthday card to Grant each year now?

Have you thrown all your bibshorts away yet? :D

1) Yes, of course he does! You well know that all Rivowners are required by spiritual consensus to send him (Grant) a birthday card each and every year, and that furthermore it goes without saying that each card must be hand-lettered on locally-sourced and naturally-dried first-growth bark.

2) I am not entirely sure, but I think that I read somewhere (in some cycling mag hand-printed on locally-sourced and naturally-dried first-growth bark) that he (Grant) had softened his stance re: bib shorts somewhat, in that locally-sourced and hand-loomed 100% lambswool bib shorts were deemed OK. Sort of.

:)

[weisan]

Do ya have to send a birthday card to Grant each year now?

Have you thrown all your bibshorts away yet? :D

Nope.

You should know me well enough by now to know that I beat to my drum beat, I am beholden to no man, if something doesn't make sense to me, not gonna do it, you can't make me...not even Mr. Petersen. :D

And yet I am not so closed minded or stubborn and arrogant to think that I knew it all, tried it all, figured out everything, i am the center of the universe, that I am not open to entertaining new ideas or willing to admit wrong... For instance, I saw this abandoned at my local co-op yesterday, took pity on it and brought it home even though my official religion is "Shimano".

How can I tell which "version or model" of campy veloce this is? Sorry for the elementary question, coming from someone who knows almost nuthin' or have almost zero experience using the products from that italian outfit.

:banana:

[cadence90]

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[weisan]

Cadence pal, you left out Option 4...is that I encourage inter-racial marriages as in Mr. Shimano and Miss Campagnolo to produce offspring that possesses all their best qualities but carry none of the baggage.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/27/article-0-18F4F452000005DC-176_634x647.jpg

[93legendti]

Curtlo, Quiring or Strong- although I am not sure about base steel Carl's pricing. For a few bucks more (sorry) I would get a stainless Quiring or a Strong custom blend.

[cadence90]

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[weisan]

Dear Mr. weisan,
At first, upon reading your considerate and kind reply, I was shaken to the core, fully thinking that you are certainly so much more enlightened than I am; that your noble and clean intentions are of a truly cosmically good nature; and that I was blind not to initially have thought of such a magnificent union as the one you propose. Pure love, a picnic blanket, and beautiful butterflies landing on the wine bottles, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum.

However, once over my initial jitters, I collected myself somewhat and thought to myself, "Well, in this deep spiritual crisis, WWTOSS? (What Would The Old Spud Say?") about this miraculous union?

And then, out of the clear blue, just like a bolt of White Lightning grease, I heard this very deep, slightly Scots-accented voice, roar: "Never ye mind, lad, never ye mind, that spawn would be truly horrendous, and its name would be SRAM!"

So, respectfully, I strongly suggest that you immediately abandon any further consideration of your proposed Option 4. :no:

Cordially yours, as always....

I predict sometime in the future Old pal would change his mind...or let me put it another way, he would have no choice when one of his grand kids decided to marry one SRAM's descendants. Life is an irony in itself to help us break out of our old-crustedness...

[oldpotatoe]

Nope.

You should know me well enough by now to know that I beat to my drum beat, I am beholden to no man, if something doesn't make sense to me, not gonna do it, you can't make me...not even Mr. Petersen. :D

And yet I am not so closed minded or stubborn and arrogant to think that I knew it all, tried it all, figured out everything, i am the center of the universe, that I am not open to entertaining new ideas or willing to admit wrong... For instance, I saw this abandoned at my local co-op yesterday, took pity on it and brought it home even though my official religion is "Shimano".

How can I tell which "version or model" of campy veloce this is? Sorry for the elementary question, coming from someone who knows almost nuthin' or have almost zero experience using the products from that italian outfit.

:banana:

Those look like Ultra-Shift(multi higher gear at a time via thumb button). Slot for thumb button vs just a hole? Ultrashift, great shifters and convertible to 11s.

Congratulations on getting decent gear for a change.:D:D I'll send ya a Campagnolo spoken here sticker. PM your address.

[cadence90]

Scapin Spirit S8 in Ice Blue.

[cadence90]

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[weisan]

Sorry for the delay, just got back from a quick jaunt on my Rivendell. As you can see in the picture, it proudly wears a pair of Tiagra shimano shifters, their lower level offerings but this thing just plain works, you can't argue with success. :D
Cadence pal, what's all these ominous talks about killin'... as far as i am concerned, just about the only killing we will doing here in my house today is two humongous turkeys, no wait! The store already did that for us... unlike the old days...


Old pal, thanks for the kind offer but no thanks... the last time you sent this over, I have to disinfect the whole house as soon as it entered the front door. I am still trying to get over that...

[stephenmarklay]

Hey get outa my steel suggestions thread :D

[Tickdoc]

here's one to get us back on track. Too big for me but man this has the makings of a gorgeous steel bike!

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yB4AAOSwo4pYLPm-/s-l1600.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Colossi-KVA-Stainless-Steel-Road-Cycling-Frame-Set-Size-57cm-/192029460674?hash=item2cb5d908c2:g:SrIAAOSw4GVYLPn c

[stephenmarklay]

Agreed this is a unique bike. I wonder about what the STA HTA angles are.

[cadence90]

Hey get outa my steel suggestions thread :D
You are so right, sorry.

Buy Scapin, /thread. :)

Happy Thanksgiving all.

[bjf]

Don't overlook this one: http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=188693&highlight=della+santa

[oldpotatoe]

I predict sometime in the future Old pal would change his mind...or let me put it another way, he would have no choice when one of his grand kids decided to marry one SRAM's descendants. Life is an irony in itself to help us break out of our old-crustedness...

Won't be many since sram will be outta biz by then..I think they are raised better than that tho.:D

I mean it, send me your address for this gem.

As you get older and wiser, and as you stare at your box of busted STI levers, you'll see the light.:o

[weisan]

Won't be many since sram will be outta biz by then..I think they are raised better than that tho.:D

I mean it, send me your address for this gem.

As you get older and wiser, and as you stare at your box of busted STI levers, you'll see the light.:o


Old pal has spoken...twice. I can't refuse. PM'ed my address promptly.

[stephenmarklay]

Don't overlook this one: http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=188693&highlight=della+santa

Thanks Bjf, I don’t think it will fit but I did send a pm question.

[etu]

I have to second what others have said earlier in the thread. You really cannot get a much better steel bike than a CSI. I got one off the forum classified this year and it is an amazing ride. I don't know the build on yours, but maybe an upgrade to nice carbon wheels and/or top of the line components is a better way to go.

[macaroon]

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[gomango]

I have to second what others have said earlier in the thread. You really cannot get a much better steel bike than a CSI. I got one off the forum classified this year and it is an amazing ride. I don't know the build on yours, but maybe an upgrade to nice carbon wheels and/or top of the line components is a better way to go.

I have two atm.

One sits unbuilt and the other one is my commuter device.

I'll likely have Curt Goodrich or Dave Anderson build a new steel fork for it though.

It has a F1 that is becoming somewhat suspect.

Fantastic frame. imho

[stephenmarklay]

I would like to find suitable Merckx leader. That ones always comes up.

[etu]

sorry for being a bit dense, but i get it. you're not necessarily looking for a "better" bike to replace, but an addition, a worthy stablemate?
i'd go the vintage route vs new custom, like a lugged Tomassini or DeRosa from the late 80's. obviously a Merckx too. regardless, i think i'd build it up with low profile modern carbon tubulars (~hyperons) and components.

[stephenmarklay]

sorry for being a bit dense, but i get it. you're not necessarily looking for a "better" bike to replace, but an addition, a worthy stablemate?
i'd go the vintage route vs new custom, like a lugged Tomassini or DeRosa from the late 80's. obviously a Merckx too. regardless, i think i'd build it up with low profile modern carbon tubulars (~hyperons) and components.

Correct. I like the CSI. It would be nice to have a spare :)

[Mzilliox]

sorry for being a bit dense, but i get it. you're not necessarily looking for a "better" bike to replace, but an addition, a worthy stablemate?
i'd go the vintage route vs new custom, like a lugged Tomassini or DeRosa from the late 80's. obviously a Merckx too. regardless, i think i'd build it up with low profile modern carbon tubulars (~hyperons) and components.

I like your style... doing this modern classic type thing as we speak...

[cadence90]

I can appreciate the "modern-classic thing" as much as anyone, but, frankly, putting Hyperons on an '80s Tomassini, De Rosa, etc. seems ridiculously obscene to me.

[stephenmarklay]

I can appreciate the "modern-classic thing" as much as anyone, but, frankly, putting Hyperons on an '80s Tomassini, De Rosa, etc. seems ridiculously obscene to me.


Not that there is anything working with that but that does not work for me either. though I have archetypes on the CSI so i get the benefit of wider wheels and bigger tires.

If I end up with a Merckx leader at some point I may have it painted in a fun modern colorway and I think new DA 9100 with its chunky cranks may actually look good with that the leader fork. Kind of like a an old muscle car with a modern engine.

[cadence90]

Not that there is anything working with that but that does not work for me either. though I have archetypes on the CSI so i get the benefit of wider wheels and bigger tires.

If I end up with a Merckx leader at some point I may have it painted in a fun modern colorway and I think new DA 9100 with its chunky cranks may actually look good with that the leader fork. Kind of like a an old muscle car with a modern engine.

Excellent combination I think.

[Kirk007]

Not that there is anything working with that but that does not work for me either. though I have archetypes on the CSI so i get the benefit of wider wheels and bigger tires.

If I end up with a Merckx leader at some point I may have it painted in a fun modern colorway and I think new DA 9100 with its chunky cranks may actually look good with that the leader fork. Kind of like a an old muscle car with a modern engine.

like this?

[Kirk007]

As to your original question: Something very different but complimentary to the CSI - a used Pegoretti. There's a Marcelo in the classifieds right now for $1500.

Why get another lugged frame that replicates the CSI when you can get a light weight tig'd steel frame from the man who built frames for Boonen (Marcelo), Indurain, Pantani, etc., etc. The MX Leader is a really nice, iconic bike, I've had 2 and still have a team frame from Frankie Andreu. But between it and the Peg Marcelo, the Marcelo will get the nod 99/100 times with the exception being a nostalgia ride on the 4th of July. To me, it's really not a fair fight between 90s steel and the modern pipes. I think this applies by the way for a lot of current builders using modern steel - Dave Kirk, Kelly Bedford (these 2 of course have historic ties to your Serotta - maybe even built it), Hampsten ... the list is long and it's amazing the values that pop up in the classifieds here.

[oldpotatoe]

Not that there is anything working with that but that does not work for me either. though I have archetypes on the CSI so i get the benefit of wider wheels and bigger tires.

If I end up with a Merckx leader at some point I may have it painted in a fun modern colorway and I think new DA 9100 with its chunky cranks may actually look good with that the leader fork. Kind of like a an old muscle car with a modern engine.

Oh dear, I hear it crying from here. A Merckx deserves at least modern Record or Chorus and if yer frisky, SR..oh, the humanity!!:D

[providence]

I'd second the Tommasini with modern components. I adore the ride of my Super Prestige with Centaur 10 and Neutrons. Have a buddy who's building one up with 2016 Super Record 11 and Neutrons. It's going to be striking when done and I don't think the group looks at all out of the place on it as it sits currently unfinished. A benefit to a Tommasini is you can look for paint as wild as you can imagine or something more subdued. Below is mine and I still haven't found anything that rides like it.

http://i60.tinypic.com/mr9yf.jpg

[stephenmarklay]

I'd second the Tommasini with modern components. I adore the ride of my Super Prestige with Centaur 10 and Neutrons. Have a buddy who's building one up with 2016 Super Record 11 and Neutrons. It's going to be striking when done and I don't think the group looks at all out of the place on it as it sits currently unfinished. A benefit to a Tommasini is you can look for paint as wild as you can imagine or something more subdued. Below is mine and I still haven't found anything that rides like it.

http://i60.tinypic.com/mr9yf.jpg

That’ a great looking bike.

[stephenmarklay]

As to your original question: Something very different but complimentary to the CSI - a used Pegoretti. There's a Marcelo in the classifieds right now for $1500.

Why get another lugged frame that replicates the CSI when you can get a light weight tig'd steel frame from the man who built frames for Boonen (Marcelo), Indurain, Pantani, etc., etc. The MX Leader is a really nice, iconic bike, I've had 2 and still have a team frame from Frankie Andreu. But between it and the Peg Marcelo, the Marcelo will get the nod 99/100 times with the exception being a nostalgia ride on the 4th of July. To me, it's really not a fair fight between 90s steel and the modern pipes. I think this applies by the way for a lot of current builders using modern steel - Dave Kirk, Kelly Bedford (these 2 of course have historic ties to your Serotta - maybe even built it), Hampsten ... the list is long and it's amazing the values that pop up in the classifieds here.


Thank for the input. In reality, a used more modern bike does make the most sense.

[stephenmarklay]

like this?

Cool. See Oldpotatoe, earth did not fall out of the sky when he put DA on his Merckx. Besides thats what team Motorola did :)

[OtayBW]

Gotta throw this one in for good steel as well. Bought this last Fall and it got the lion's share of my miles this year. EL-OS tubing. Fits great. Handles great and comfy for the long haul. Keeper....

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/zelmo_2006/IMAG0685.jpg (http://s77.photobucket.com/user/zelmo_2006/media/IMAG0685.jpg.html)

[stephenmarklay]

Gotta throw this one in for good steel as well. Bought this last Fall and it got the lion's share of my miles this year. EL-OS tubing. Fits great. Handles great and comfy for the long haul. Keeper....

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/zelmo_2006/IMAG0685.jpg (http://s77.photobucket.com/user/zelmo_2006/media/IMAG0685.jpg.html)

I’ve seen your post and this bike is about a REAL as steel gets. If your ever decide to sell it, promptly smash your hand under a hammer. The thought will pass.