Ottrott

[sasteelman]

I have an Ottrott with an all Ti rear triangle. Is there a significant difference between that and one with carbon seat stays?

[tuscanyswe]

Are you talking about how they ride?

If so most would say that the ST version with carbon rear is perhaps more planted and bit smoother.

Yours are definitely more rare tho and nicer looking imo.

[SPOKE]

I have both versions that were built for me. I can tell you that the one with the Ti seat stays and single bend chain stays can be a real a$$ hatchet. The carbon stay bike is wonderful even though it has the stiffer version of Serotta's "S" bend chain stays.

[happycampyer]

The first generation Ottrott was called the Legend IT (for integrated technology), and had an all ti rear triangle. That is probably what you have. What is the serial number?

Once the carbon seatstays were introduced, they became the standard. It was possible to order an Ottrott with ti seatstays, but not sure how common that was. In the last few years of production, when Serotta introduced the All-Road option, Ottrott AROs had ti seatstays since Serotta didn't have a carbon stay with clearance for 32mm tires.

"Significant" is a matter of taste. The quintessential Ottrott imo has the carbon stays with the ST bearings. The ride is quite unique--super smooth and quiet. As much as I prefer the looks of the all-ti rear triangles, if I had to be honest I think the ST stays are smoother than an all-ti frame (for reference, I have a Pronto, an all-ti Legend, a Legend ST, an Ottrott with all-ti stays, and an Ottrott SE with ST stays, and have owned a Vamoots SL, a Vamoots Compact, a Compact SL and an RSL).

As far as being an a$$ hatchet, I think that has more to do with how stout the frame is overall (as well as the rear triangle), and isn't a function of the material of the seatstays. The stiffest of all those frames above was the RSL, and it had the skinniest seatstays.

[campy man]

I have both versions that were built for me. I can tell you that the one with the Ti seat stays and single bend chain stays can be a real a$$ hatchet. The carbon stay bike is wonderful even though it has the stiffer version of Serotta's "S" bend chain stays.

Any chance the a$$ hatchet is a size 57 and for sale? I have been looking for a Ottrott with Ti seatstays for yrs :cool:

[SPOKE]

The first generation Ottrott was called the Legend IT (for integrated technology), and had an all ti rear triangle. That is probably what you have. What is the serial number?

Once the carbon seatstays were introduced, they became the standard. It was possible to order an Ottrott with ti seatstays, but not sure how common that was. In the last few years of production, when Serotta introduced the All-Road option, Ottrott AROs had ti seatstays since Serotta didn't have a carbon stay with clearance for 32mm tires.

"Significant" is a matter of taste. The quintessential Ottrott imo has the carbon stays with the ST bearings. The ride is quite unique--super smooth and quiet. As much as I prefer the looks of the all-ti rear triangles, if I had to be honest I think the ST stays are smoother than an all-ti frame (for reference, I have a Pronto, an all-ti Legend, a Legend ST, an Ottrott with all-ti stays, and an Ottrott SE with ST stays, and have owned a Vamoots SL, a Vamoots Compact, a Compact SL and an RSL).

As far as being an a$$ hatchet, I think that has more to do with how stout the frame is overall (as well as the rear triangle), and isn't a function of the material of the seatstays. The stiffest of all those frames above was the RSL, and it had the skinniest seatstays.

It is actually an Ottrott. It was purchased on a special deal that Ben offered. He offered 150 "Founder's Edition" bikes for $6k... complete bikes spec'd with any off the shelf available parts kit the buyer wanted. If memory serves me correctly only 16 were sold. One person bought 2. Mine is "lucky #13" and has signatures of the staff members that had a hand in building it on the top tube under the clear coat. Our old pal Serotta Pete had #3 if I remember correctly. His was built with the Ti rear end too. His son-n-law has the bike now.

I also own the first generation Ottrott ST. Still one of the sweetest riding bik s ever built.

[sasteelman]

Thanks for the feedback.Yeah should have said "ride". The serial # is CLI 53 172. The reason I was asking is I like the ride of mine so much I was thinking of buying the other version. Find I'm riding the Ottrott the majority of the time - have a CJ Steel and a Marinoni Piuma (Spirit tubing).

[sasteelman]

Forgot to mention it's a 53cm and is a keeper - I find the ride very smooth. Now I want the carbon version as well.

[Ianus]

I have both versions that were built for me. I can tell you that the one with the Ti seat stays and single bend chain stays can be a real a$$ hatchet. The carbon stay bike is wonderful even though it has the stiffer version of Serotta's "S" bend chain stays.

Sorry.... is this single bend....

https://abload.de/img/img_8536d2utp.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_8536d2utp.jpg)

and this the s-bend version?

https://abload.de/img/img_8537uhuch.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_8537uhuch.jpg)

[Black Dog]

Sorry.... is this single bend....

https://abload.de/img/img_8536d2utp.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_8536d2utp.jpg)

and this the s-bend version?

https://abload.de/img/img_8537uhuch.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_8537uhuch.jpg)

You are correct sir.

[happycampyer]

Thanks for the feedback.Yeah should have said "ride". The serial # is CLI 53 172. The reason I was asking is I like the ride of mine so much I was thinking of buying the other version. Find I'm riding the Ottrott the majority of the time - have a CJ Steel and a Marinoni Piuma (Spirit tubing).
The "C" indicates that the frame was custom, and the "LI" stands for "Legend Integrated."

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=1024713&postcount=1

As far as getting an Ottrott with the carbon stays, assuming it was built to a stiffness that suited you (I know a shop employee who asked Serotta to make him a super-stiff Ottrott, and her regretted it), I think you would like the contrast. If you do get one, I would recommend one with the ST bearings (not all Serottas with carbon stays have the ST bearings).

[SPOKE]

Sorry.... is this single bend....

https://abload.de/img/img_8536d2utp.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_8536d2utp.jpg)

and this the s-bend version?

https://abload.de/img/img_8537uhuch.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_8537uhuch.jpg)

That is correct. The single bend chain stays were typically used on bikes for heavy riders or powerful sprinters.

[Ianus]

That is correct. The single bend chain stays were typically used on bikes for heavy riders or powerful sprinters.

Thank you. I have two frames and i'm looking for some more information.... both CLI-frames, but M5- vs M6-headtube mounts, welded vs revited cablestops on the top tube and a 29mm vs a 32mm seatpost clamp. The frame with the inferno paintscheme is the younger one.

[sasteelman]

I had a closer look at my Ottrott. It has the s-bend seat stays and is definitely not an overly stiff bike. I weigh about 147 lb and depend more on cadence than power. It has the Otrott logo on the TT.

[pdmtong]

If you do get one, I would recommend one with the ST bearings (not all Serottas with carbon stays have the ST bearings).

This is really interesting - all this time I thought if it had the wishbone carbon seat stay then it also had the ST bearings.

[Ianus]

This is really interesting - all this time I thought if it had the wishbone carbon seat stay then it also had the ST bearings.



https://abload.de/img/p1020396csup0.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=p1020396csup0.jpg)

Nove, Fierté.....

[pdmtong]

Nove, Fierté.....
completely makes sense - leave the high end technology for the high end model (s) while the lower price points get the glue.

[RedRider]

The concept was that carbon does a great job of absorbing vibrations but not shocks. The ST bearing was designed to absorb road shocks. The combination would provide the desired ride.
Ride quality was always the primary goal in a Serotta design.

[PaMtbRider]

(for reference, I have a Pronto, an all-ti Legend, a Legend ST, an Ottrott with all-ti stays, and an Ottrott SE with ST stays, and have owned a Vamoots SL, a Vamoots Compact, a Compact SL and an RSL).



Wow! If I had that collection of bikes in my garage I would be happy campyer too. Actually I am a very happy camper with my campy equipped Ottrott SE, and Airstream trailer.

[tv_vt]

Yeah, I have a Fierte IT and it has carbon wishbone seatstays, but doesn't have the ST bearings. Ride is quite nice anyway.

Anyone ride an IT Fierte and compare it to an Ottrott? I've always heard the F-IT was close to an Ottrott, but have never ridden an Ottrott, with or without the ST bearings.

[Ianus]

... both CLI-frames, but M5- vs M6-headtube mounts, welded vs revited cablestops on the top tube and a 29mm vs a 32mm seatpost clamp.

No one with an info when this details were changed?

[happycampyer]

Yeah, I have a Fierte IT and it has carbon wishbone seatstays, but doesn't have the ST bearings. Ride is quite nice anyway.

Anyone ride an IT Fierte and compare it to an Ottrott? I've always heard the F-IT was close to an Ottrott, but have never ridden an Ottrott, with or without the ST bearings.When I got my first Ottrott (the one that 54ny77 now has), it was a dealer demo, and the dealer had both that Ottrott demo and a Nove IT demo. I test rode both extensively, and there was a certain smoothness and "plantedness" of the Ottrott that was quite noticeable. It's not as if the Nove was bad--quite the opposite. The Nove was was awesome, and if the Ottrott hadn't existed, I would have bought the Nove over the other choices in the store (Pinarello, Colnago, etc.). The Fierte IT is similar to the Nove (although the Nove may have had slightly stiffer tubing); neither had the ST bearings.

If you're ever back this way, we should go for a ride and you can see what you think.

[54ny77]

Allow me to oblige with a gratuitous sloppy seconds photo or two.

;)

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z113/jpmz06/Bike/5-29-16%20Turkey%20Hill%20Rd_zpsqqmvtrko.jpg (http://s191.photobucket.com/user/jpmz06/media/Bike/5-29-16%20Turkey%20Hill%20Rd_zpsqqmvtrko.jpg.html)

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z113/jpmz06/Bike/IMG_20150627_091245_096_zpsjnu5t1ir.jpg (http://s191.photobucket.com/user/jpmz06/media/Bike/IMG_20150627_091245_096_zpsjnu5t1ir.jpg.html)


When I got my first Ottrott (the one that 54ny77 now has), it was a dealer demo, and the dealer had both that Ottrott demo and a Nove IT demo. I test rode both extensively, and there was a certain smoothness and "plantedness" of the Ottrott that was quite noticeable. It's not as if the Nove was bad--quite the opposite. The Nove was was awesome, and if the Ottrott hadn't existed, I would have bought the Nove over the other choices in the store (Pinarello, Colnago, etc.). The Fierte IT is similar to the Nove (although the Nove may have had slightly stiffer tubing); neither had the ST bearings.

If you're ever back this way, we should go for a ride and you can see what you think.

[RedRider]

Since this thread has turned into a celebration of the Ottrott, I thought I'd add this photo... One of the last Ottrott frames to be made and definitely the last one to be drafted by Ben himself. Photo taken July 2012 in a field outside of Saratoga. P.S. It's rolling on Lightweight wheels now.