Voodoo making 2 new frames with 1" threaded steerers

[scharny]

Time to dig into those old parts boxes and dust off the old CK threadsets...

Link to article: http://www.bikerumor.com/2016/10/07/ib16-voodoo-cycles-prepares-recast-spell-u-s-new-high-end-bike-line/

Voodoo is also bringing back two road frames with the beautifully lugged Avalou complete with a 1″ threaded steerer and 853 steel frame…

http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Voodoo-cycles-back-in-us-road-plus-full-suspension-titanium-steel-mtbInterbike-2016-201.jpg

[bobswire]

I'm more excited about the Bont Riot Mtn Show in that same issue. Them and Lake make some of the most comfortable wide toe box in the business. http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/bont-riot-road-and-mountain-bike-shoes01.jpg

http://www.bikerumor.com/2016/10/07/ib16-bont-riot-steps-premium-kicks-normal-prices-vaypor-adds-kangaroo-hide-gravel-version/#more-140140

[eBAUMANN]

I'm more excited about the Bont Riot Mtn Show in that same issue. Them and Lake make some of the most comfortable wide toe box in the business. http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/bont-riot-road-and-mountain-bike-shoes01.jpg

http://www.bikerumor.com/2016/10/07/ib16-bont-riot-steps-premium-kicks-normal-prices-vaypor-adds-kangaroo-hide-gravel-version/#more-140140

Those do look cool, id rock the orange...hopefully they are made better than my gf's vaypor mtb shoes...the treads ripped off after less than a season of cx and the front rubber toe bumper detached from the sole and started collecting dirt and crap in it. Pretty pathetic considering the type of mileage and abuse I have put my mavic/giro shoes through without a single problem.

As for that voodoo...good for them, but they really shoulda used a less polarizing lug set...those are giving me a bit of a gag reflex...

[unterhausen]

I need to build a fork for my 650b rando. I think that will be a good place to test if I want to deal with theaded steerers again. For a builder, threadless is far simpler. All the problems are transferred to the rider and mechanics.

It's also funny how that bike in the OP has lugs made for threadless. My 650b frame has lugs that were made for threaded.

[tumbler]

I kind of like it. My first decent bike was an orange steel Voodoo mountain bike. I would prefer a threadless fork, but that's not a huge deal. Wonder where it will be made and what the price will come in at.

[ColonelJLloyd]

As for that voodoo...good for them, but they really shoulda used a less polarizing lug set...those are giving me a bit of a gag reflex...

+1

Anyone else notice the juxtaposition of "fancy" chrome, cut-out lugs next to a plastic head badge? Weird.

[bfd]

For a builder, threadless is far simpler. All the problems are transferred to the rider and mechanics.



What problems are you having with threadless? Even old luddites like the late Jobst Brandt supported threadless headsets:

From Sheldon Brown's FAQ:

Threadless headsets are a welcome and major improvement over the quill handlebar stem and the large octagonal head bearing nuts that fit on threaded steertubes. Besides, the quill stem was never adequately attached to the fork, moving radially at its upper end, where it had a loose fit in the steertube.

The need for special wrenches to adjust head bearings was cumbersome, but was more an inconvenience than a functional failing, one for which the threadless design is an ideal solution. Attachment problems, head bearing adjustment, and the greater force exerted on stems with MTB handlebars demanded a design change.

Upper stem movement, although small, pumped perspiration-enriched rainwater into the interface and on occasion froze aluminum quill stems in the steertube. They became stuck and sometimes unremovable because aluminum oxide has a greater volume than aluminum and, at times, expanded with enough force to cause a bulge in the steertube. Such an interference fit can make removal by force impossible and in many cases requires machining.

The threadless steertube solved these problems elegantly. The stem is clamped to the outside of the steertube with one or two Allen screws to give a rigid interface. The head bearing is centered on the steertube by a conical ring that is pressed into engagement by a sleeve beneath the stem, and clamping the stem locks the adjustment.

Fail-safe clamping is important in selecting a threadless stem. Unlike the quill stem, where an attachment screw failure caused a loose handlebar, the threadless stem handlebar clamp can completely separate in the event of failure, if it uses only one pair of screws. Therefore, a steertube clamp with two screws and the handlebar clamp with four screws is preferable.

When converting from a quill stem, the improvement is most noticeable in that the entire bicycle seems to become more rigid, especially when accelerating or climbing hills standing. Maintenance of head bearings and removal of handlebars, without untaping handlebars or removing brake levers, becomes trivial.

The shortcoming is that handlebar height cannot easily be changed without a special stem, one with an articulated extension. This is not a problem for people who know what handlebar height they want. It seems to be more a problem for new riders or rental bicycles that require adjustable height.

link: http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/threadless-headset.html

I'm in the process of having a new frame built and a threadless steerer tube is a must! Of course, YMMV! Good Luck!

[donevwil]

I'm more excited about the Bont Riot Mtn Show in that same issue. Them and Lake make some of the most comfortable wide toe box in the business

Agreed, but it appears the Riot does not come in Wide. Ugh !

[choke]

As for that voodoo...good for them, but they really shoulda used a less polarizing lug set...those are giving me a bit of a gag reflex...I love those lugs. :banana:

What problems are you having with threadless?I've never had problems with threadless but I hate the aesthetics of them. Outside of custom, there are perhaps one or two threadless stems that don't look hideous IMO. I also really don't like the fact that I can't easily adjust the height...not that it happens often but it's nice to have the option. I'd rather have threads over threadless any day.

[eBAUMANN]

I love those lugs. :banana:

If you are going to use a stock cast lugset...use something simple and elegant, not something that is designed to give the illusion of craft via frilly points and little cutouts.

I also just hate frilly points and little cutouts.

so uh, #atmo

[sailorboy]

Not to pile on but proportionally, the dimensions of the lug going down the downtube are off to me.

I have to give them kudos for keeping the torch burning for traditional lugs, but if you want a 'fancy' lugged frameset, aren't you going to rivendell, goodrich, or some other small builder for this kind of thing who've been killing it for years?

[ultraman6970]

Wow those shoes look really nice. wonder what will happen to the Blitz model.

[adub]

What's old is new again.

[Anarchist]

Well, since I can't seem to get return emails from the folks at Marinoni I guess his would be the next choice ....

[unterhausen]

What problems are you having with threadless? Even old luddites like the late Jobst Brandt supported threadless headsets:

nothing wrong with threadless headsets at all, building or in use. However, stem height issues have cause a lot of problem for people over the years. And I was also thinking of people that have cut steerers too short. With threaded headsets, there is no problem with stem height, and the builder has to sort out the length of the steerer pretty well or it's immediately obvious. For a while, I was even anti-threaded, thinking companies were silly to build them. However I've softened up on that a little.

[velotrack]

It's also funny how that bike in the OP has lugs made for threadless. My 650b frame has lugs that were made for threaded.

I wasn't aware there are lugs made for threaded and for threadless... care to elaborate?

[unterhausen]

I wasn't aware there are lugs made for threaded and for threadless... care to elaborate?

lugs made prior to the invention of threadless have much lower top head lugs. After threadless was around, lug designers started putting higher extensions on the top head lug.

not threadless
http://www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle-frame-tubing/LUGS-OS-ROAD-LS-36MM-HT.html
threadless (probably the most extension I've seen)
http://www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle-frame-tubing/LUGS-S.S.-ROAD-OS-NOVA-36MM-HT.html