Fancybear releases WADA info on Froome and Wiggins

[texbike]

This should be interesting to watch...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-winners-froome-and-wiggins-named-in-confirmed-fancy-bear-wada-hack/

Texbike

[MattTuck]

Jesus, people need to get a handle on the security of their systems.

[texbike]

Jesus, people need to get a handle on the security of their systems.

Brother, if you only knew...

[54ny77]

it's amazing the high % of athsma sufferers in the pro peloton. must be climate change.

[nooneline]

Jesus, people need to get a handle on the security of their systems.

It wasn't their system side of things, it was the human side of things. Somebody got the email, clicked the link, and gave up a password.

Anyway -
None of these TUEs seem scandalous.

[MattTuck]

It wasn't their system side of things, it was the human side of things. Somebody got the email, clicked the link, and gave up a password.

Anyway -
None of these TUEs seem scandalous.

yeah, that is what I meant. I read recently that 50% of people just open up whatever is sent to them via email. It is ridiculous. As in most cases, the human is the weak point in the system.

[eric01]

All approved and within the rules -- whether you agree or disagree with the TUE, all approved.

[nooneline]

it's amazing the high % of athsma sufferers in the pro peloton. must be climate change.

interestingly enough, asthma rates (at least in the USA) are on the rise, and nearly 10% of the population has an asthma diagnosis. and some studies show that the prevalence is about twice as high among athletes - ranging up to an estimated 25%.

haven't seen speculation on why - if it's due to harder use of the lungs, greater sensitivity to irritants.

[texbike]

It wasn't their system side of things, it was the human side of things. Somebody got the email, clicked the link, and gave up a password.

Anyway -
None of these TUEs seem scandalous.

Regardless of the way that the hackers gained access, the data should have been encrypted and rendered useless.

Of course, what fun would there be in that??? ;)

[verticaldoug]

interestingly enough, asthma rates (at least in the USA) are on the rise, and nearly 10% of the population has an asthma diagnosis. and some studies show that the prevalence is about twice as high among athletes - ranging up to an estimated 25%.

haven't seen speculation on why - if it's due to harder use of the lungs, greater sensitivity to irritants.

Lot's of speculations why- and probably a combination of factors. Less exposure to micro-organisms when infants (we live in clean cities not dirty farms- hygiene hypothesis) Shift in diets to more processed foods which may have higher allergenic rates than traditional diet, exposing the body to allergens in cosmetic products etc.... and then my own favorite- TEFLON pans.

[benb]

Yah those were anti-climactic. We already knew Froome hits the inhaler hard.

Despite these being totally legit in the rules I am still super skeptical the amount of asthma in pro athletes. I have heard way too many times it is super easy to get the diagnosis of exercise induced asthma. I had a doc totally ready to give it to me with no testing years ago.

Sounds like wiggins lives in a world of allergy suck. :(

All of them that I have looked at have been super anti-climactic. Sorry, Simone Biles having ADHD is not the same as the meldonium thing.

[shovelhd]

No need for a TUE for salbutamol.

[GregL]

What I find hilarious about this hack is that the Russian hackers have proven that their competitors ARE following the rules...

- Greg

[72gmc]

Don't get the point of hacking the WADA. They seem to be the last people to know anything.

[benb]

What I find hilarious about this hack is that the Russian hackers have proven that their competitors ARE following the rules...

- Greg

No kidding... it looked like say Simone Biles had a paperwork error and she got an adverse finding but it was negated by the TUE.

Wiggins and Froome appear to be so tested they never even filed the adverse findings cause they were aware of the TUE, so fancy bear only has TUEs.

[jlwdm]

A fair number of US Olympians included in the release of documents.

Jeff

[soulspinner]

don't get the point of hacking the wada. They seem to be the last people to know anything.

:d

[oldpotatoe]

it's amazing the high % of athsma sufferers in the pro peloton. must be climate change.

Big:D on that brother..among professional athlete's in general. 8-10% in general population, as high as 70% in some groups(like UK swimmers) and 30%(Sky cyclists)..hmmmm

[Lewis Moon]

Don't get the point of hacking the WADA. They seem to be the last people to know anything.

THAT was my first thought...

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg201/howisthisforausername/Miscellaneous/SargentSchultz.jpg

[rnhood]

Yes, most elite athletes for some reason have ADHD(whatever that is) and Asthma. So they get various forms of steroids and Ritalin. Same old story, just new faces. And when they retire, suddenly they don't have these ailments anymore. Go figure.

[tuscanyswe]

interestingly enough, asthma rates (at least in the USA) are on the rise, and nearly 10% of the population has an asthma diagnosis. and some studies show that the prevalence is about twice as high among athletes - ranging up to an estimated 25%.

haven't seen speculation on why - if it's due to harder use of the lungs, greater sensitivity to irritants.

In Norway 70% (well 69) of all their cross country ski medals since 1992 and forward have been by a skier who has taken a legal drug for asthma. A sport they completely dominate btw. Id be completely amazed if there were no performance gains from those drugs.

[shovelhd]

If you truly have EIA, which I do, there is no performance gain by using salbuterol. It raises my average heart rate by 10 points for 20 minutes after using it. That's a net negative. What it does do is help with the wheezing when I'm flat out. It doesn't stop it, it just helps.

[Tandem Rider]

I suffer from asthma. I did the whole battery of tests, several times, same conclusion, every time.

Guess what?? Albuterol, Salbuterol etc only take away PART of asthma's symptoms when it rears it's head. It doesn't increase lung capacity or airway size, it only partially relaxes what is constricted by the stimulus or "trigger". Watching a PM I can see a sizeable drop in power when I am fighting off the symptoms with an inhaler. When atmospheric triggers are present and I "pre-treat", I will usually see about 10% drop in performance, which is much better than 60-80% if I don't.

I have tested in training, to see what happens when I use the inhaler knowing I won't need it (no atmospheric triggers present). FTP stayed the same, peak power stayed the same, I needed a little more water, and the Powertap still read lower than I wanted it to. Take this for what it is, a sample of 1.

Suffering an "asthma attack" during a race is not something I would wish on people I don't like, let alone the ones I do.

[guido]

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/team-sky-tue-controversy-why-one-medical-expert-has-real-concerns/

[CunegoFan]

I suffer from asthma. I did the whole battery of tests, several times, same conclusion, every time.

Guess what?? Albuterol, Salbuterol etc only take away PART of asthma's symptoms when it rears it's head. It doesn't increase lung capacity or airway size, it only partially relaxes what is constricted by the stimulus or "trigger". Watching a PM I can see a sizeable drop in power when I am fighting off the symptoms with an inhaler. When atmospheric triggers are present and I "pre-treat", I will usually see about 10% drop in performance, which is much better than 60-80% if I don't.

I have tested in training, to see what happens when I use the inhaler knowing I won't need it (no atmospheric triggers present). FTP stayed the same, peak power stayed the same, I needed a little more water, and the Powertap still read lower than I wanted it to. Take this for what it is, a sample of 1.

Suffering an "asthma attack" during a race is not something I would wish on people I don't like, let alone the ones I do.

Riders don't get a TUE for beta agonists so they can suck on an inhaler before a climb or race. They get one so they can use large doses in training to lean out and increase lean muscle mass while having a ready excuse if lingering traces cause them to test positive during a race. This is why occasionally a rider will really screw up and get caught with an amount in their system that would take dozens of puffs.

All these dodgy TUEs are taken out for a similar reason.

[numbskull]

And yet more today http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/jaksche-on-skys-tue-controversy-we-used-the-same-excuse-in-my-era/
A VERY strong argument against Sky's and Sir Brad's protestations of innocence. The bit about the sudden appearance or Sir Brad's seasonal asthma after joining Sky and its curious shift in timing from just before the Giro to just before the Tour is interesting for sure.
Surprise, surprise.

[Louis]

interestingly enough, asthma rates (at least in the USA) are on the rise, and nearly 10% of the population has an asthma diagnosis. and some studies show that the prevalence is about twice as high among athletes - ranging up to an estimated 25%.

haven't seen speculation on why - if it's due to harder use of the lungs, greater sensitivity to irritants.

I'm no expert, but read in a recent NYT story that some very good new research suggests that in many cases it's due to kids lack of exposure to the "real" outside world. Houses being too clean and children not running around outside spending time with dirt and dust.

[weiwentg]

Yes, most elite athletes for some reason have ADHD(whatever that is) and Asthma. So they get various forms of steroids and Ritalin. Same old story, just new faces. And when they retire, suddenly they don't have these ailments anymore. Go figure.

Do you genuinely not know what attention deficit hyperactive disorder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder) is, or are you contesting that it's a real disorder? Because let me tell you, it's been interfering with my education and career for years now, and I'm only just starting to get properly medicated.

No doubt some people abuse it in competition, yes. It's one of those grey area things. Nonetheless, from what I know, amphetamines and their derivatives are prohibited in competition; TUE should allow you to use them outside of competition, but not inside it. Cast your doubt on the athletes, not the diagnosis.

[Black Dog]

And yet more today http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/jaksche-on-skys-tue-controversy-we-used-the-same-excuse-in-my-era/
A VERY strong argument against Sky's and Sir Brad's protestations of innocence. The bit about the sudden appearance or Sir Brad's seasonal asthma after joining Sky and its curious shift in timing from just before the Giro to just before the Tour is interesting for sure.
Surprise, surprise.

Did brad get asthma just before he got 4th in the tour with JV's squad?

[ultraman6970]

I suffer of seasonal allergies and got so bad like 8 years ago that I almost passed out in my couch from the coughing, went to a nose and throat specialist and pretty much she told me that my asthma was due to allergies, she gave me fluticasone that is for old people and people with emphysema, after the second dosis the allergies were gone for almost 2 years, then we went to another medication, then another one.

I have to say this, it is nice to breath normally but I did not get a boost of performance at all, I as able to ride better because now all the pollen was not bothering me but besides that is not that I got a super boost of performance using this things. So honestly I dont tihnk the guys at sky got enough power off the medication to win the tour you know, as somebody said it before the % of performance you get is not as big to even make a difference using those lungs "expanders' medicines.

Probably a blood doping does a lot more IMO.

ps: we are not talking about injections, just inhalers, so no idea if there's a difference between the same medication in a injection than in inhaler.

[msl819]

it's amazing the high % of athsma sufferers in the pro peloton. must be climate change.

That's exactly what I thought! They all need to move to Arizona for the arrid climate

[BobO]

That's exactly what I thought! They all need to move to Arizona for the arrid climate

There are quite a lot of allergens as well as dust in the air here. Our climate is good for arthritis sufferers, not so much for asthma.

[MattTuck]

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[texbike]

Just got this email. If I were a WADA employee, I'd probably follow the instructions.

Sadly, way too many people get suckered into actually clicking on emails like this. I love the way that they spelled internet. :)

Oh, and on the subject of Sky and TUEs, yeah the timing is definitely suspicious. Lean out and develop lean muscle mass? Hmmm. I could use an inhaler!

Texbike

[dzxc]

And yet more today http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/jaksche-on-skys-tue-controversy-we-used-the-same-excuse-in-my-era/
A VERY strong argument against Sky's and Sir Brad's protestations of innocence. The bit about the sudden appearance or Sir Brad's seasonal asthma after joining Sky and its curious shift in timing from just before the Giro to just before the Tour is interesting for sure.
Surprise, surprise.

Just like how suddenly everyone who joins Al Sal's Nike team suddenly develop thyroid conditions and need testosterone. Hmm...

[FlashUNC]

I am shocked, shocked I say, to learn gambling has been going on in this establishment.

http://minnesotaconnected.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/casablanca-your-winnings-shocked.jpg

[deechee]

ps: we are not talking about injections, just inhalers, so no idea if there's a difference between the same medication in a injection than in inhaler.

Sorry bud, very much injections.

“The triamcinolone injection that is referred to in the Wada leaks is an intramuscular treatment for asthma, is fully approved by the sport’s governing bodies, and Brad stands by his comment concerning the use of illegal intravenous needle injections.” (from the Wiggins camp (http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/09/news/road/wiggins-stands-needles-comments-leak_420923))

Fluticasone/Flonase is a corticosteroid base, which, as I understand works by supressing your body's inflammation reflex. Depending on the dosage, it can definitely have side effects you may not have noticed. I'm a lifelong allergy sufferer, and have done the test with at least 20 needle holes in my forearm and 20 or so in my upper arm and took weekly desensitization shots for about two years before I got fed up. I've taken bouts of Claritin which kept me wired the way caffeine can; I totally don't buy this TUE, look at the 40-50mg dosage some papers are claiming - not that I'm a doc, but that seems pretty close to the max. And yet, he doesn't need a booster at 6 weeks? And this note: "Some patients may be well controlled on doses ≤20 mg" dosage (https://www.drugs.com/monograph/triamcinolone-acetonide.html).