Dura ace 9000 pricewatch

[baker]

Now that 9100 is coming out, will the groupset prices on 9000 go even lower? The cheapest I'm seeing right now is $1046.25 on Ribble. How low will it go, and when is the best time to buy?

[baker]

And what is the lowest price you've seen so far?

[Lanternrouge]

It probably won't go a lot lower from UK. If you want it, just buy it, install it, ride it and enjoy. Even if it's a little cheaper a month from now, you will have had an extra month of riding on it. I paid a whole lot more for a group when they were newer and don't regret it. Don't overthink it.

[baker]

It probably won't go a lot lower from UK. If you want it, just buy it, install it, ride it and enjoy. Even if it's a little cheaper a month from now, you will have had an extra month of riding on it. I paid a whole lot more for a group when they were newer and don't regret it. Don't overthink it.

This is good advice...

And yet, if clearance prices go down 20% I'll either be very excited that I held out or disappointed I didn't. Does this seem unlikely? Even 10% might be worth it. How much did 7900 go down when 9000 came out?

[Dead Man]

Ultegra used to be quite a bit more than that, before 'leven speed came out all crazy cheap.

If you want leven speed DA, buy that crap! Damn that's a good price. Less than $100 more than I paid for a used 9000 group year or two ago

[christian]

It won't go much lower if at all. The prices now are a result of arbitrage in inventory -- current groups were bought from Japan with a strong pound and being sold to you with a weak pound. When stock is to be replenished with a weaker pound, I would expect to see prices increase.

[weisan]

Sometimes, but not always, you can get a fairly new groupset for close to nothing at our classifieds by buying a complete bike. It's like paying for the killer frameset and getting the components for free.

[saab2000]

I bought a 5800 groupset a month ago from Ribble and paid $318 shipped to my door. Functionally, it is indistinguishable from my 9000 groupsets.

I say the smart money buys 5800 and spends the remainder on a wheel upgrade. Or investing it in a low cost index fund and becoming a millionaire in stocks. Or a few hundred Power Ball tickets.

Seriously, I'm questioning everything with this 5800 groupset I'm enjoying. It's amazingly nice for less than 1/3 the cost of the 9000.

[oldpotatoe]

This is good advice...

And yet, if clearance prices go down 20% I'll either be very excited that I held out or disappointed I didn't. Does this seem unlikely? Even 10% might be worth it. How much did 7900 go down when 9000 came out?

One thing that shimano does is stop production of previous groups before the new group comes out to clear out inventory. I think as 9100 starts 'arriving', 9000(like 7900) will get scarce pretty quickly. I really don't think 9100 is a huge improvement over 9000, IMHO.

[rnhood]

I bought a 5800 groupset a month ago from Ribble and paid $318 shipped to my door. Functionally, it is indistinguishable from my 9000 groupsets.

I say the smart money buys 5800 and spends the remainder on a wheel upgrade. Or investing it in a low cost index fund and becoming a millionaire in stocks. Or a few hundred Power Ball tickets.

Seriously, I'm questioning everything with this 5800 groupset I'm enjoying. It's amazingly nice for less than 1/3 the cost of the 9000.

+1

5800 is the point of diminishing returns. Dura Ace without the fashion.

[mike mcdermid]

I had a pile of these I was moving on for 659 UK money brand new I think there's one lef but not entirely sure .

There may even be a 9100 shifter set for a few hundred quid

[chiasticon]

Seriously, I'm questioning everything with this 5800 groupset I'm enjoying. It's amazingly nice for less than 1/3 the cost of the 9000.you're not alone! I've read this several times over. there's a guy in the custom bikes section that threw it on a Pegoretti. as you said: enjoy the quality/value of the group and put the money elsewhere :beer:

[54ny77]

several years ago i did the same thing with 6600. the 6700/7900 era was just coming out, so that meant blowout time. bought group at a uk place for about that price, if i recall it might have been just sub-$300 since it was closeout. still have it, it's on an everyday rig (not fancy), still works beautifully. other than swapping out new bb and chain, i don't think i've adjusted anything in a couple/few years. set it & forget it.

that said, if you want the top shelf group for your frame, even if for no other reason than it's top shelf, go for it. sure is nice. nothin' wrong with that approach either.

I bought a 5800 groupset a month ago from Ribble and paid $318 shipped to my door. Functionally, it is indistinguishable from my 9000 groupsets.

I say the smart money buys 5800 and spends the remainder on a wheel upgrade. Or investing it in a low cost index fund and becoming a millionaire in stocks. Or a few hundred Power Ball tickets.

Seriously, I'm questioning everything with this 5800 groupset I'm enjoying. It's amazingly nice for less than 1/3 the cost of the 9000.

[soulspinner]

several years ago i did the same thing with 6600. the 6700/7900 era was just coming out, so that meant blowout time. bought group at a uk place for about that price, if i recall it might have been just sub-$300 since it was closeout. still have it, still works beautifully. other than swapping out new bb and chain, i don't think i've adjusted anything in a couple/few years. set it & forget it.

Thats how I feel about Chorus. Why throw money at a couple ounces when Im 15 pounds over race weight? I have ridden the top Campy groups and if properly set up I couldnt tell. My fitness, I sure can..:bike:

[Dead Man]

One thing that shimano does is stop production of previous groups before the new group comes out to clear out inventory. I think as 9100 starts 'arriving', 9000(like 7900) will get scarce pretty quickly. I really don't think 9100 is a huge improvement over 9000, IMHO.

DA level hydro disc and integrated power meter don't do it for the old spud??

I am stoked. Take my money

[ripvanrando]

The 5800 grouppo is 1 pound 2 oz heavier than the 9000 Dura Ace groupset.

Is 500+ grams worth $700? It is on another Forum. :D

Is Dura Ace more durable than 105? I am sure it is.

I ride a lot of miles. Many in miserable conditions in remote areas. I've broken Ultegra and 105 shifters but never a Dura Ace or SRAM Red (luck?).

In my mind the 9000 group for $1057 is no question the better deal although the advantages might be marginal. The chain, cassette, FD, bearings, and shifters are far superior on Dura Ace. The chain rings are quite different and shift better. I think the 5800 uses bushings on the derailleur pulleys.

[oldpotatoe]

The 5800 grouppo is 1 pound 2 oz heavier than the 9000 Dura Ace groupset.

Is 500+ grams worth $700? It is on another Forum. :D

Is Dura Ace more durable than 105? I am sure it is.

I ride a lot of miles. Many in miserable conditions in remote areas. I've broken Ultegra and 105 shifters but never a Dura Ace or SRAM Red (luck?).

In my mind the 9000 group for $1057 is no question the better deal although the advantages might be marginal. The chain, cassette, FD, bearings, and shifters are far superior on Dura Ace. The chain rings are quite different and shift better. I think the 5800 uses bushings on the derailleur pulleys.

Not to pick nits but the 4 ti cog, cogset has a shorter life than the 6800 or 5800 cogset. All shift the same. Same with chain, plating, shiny, some holes...but 6800/5800 shifts the same, lasts as long.

[chiasticon]

Not to pick nits but the 4 ti cog, cogset has a shorter life than the 6800 or 5800 cogset. All shift the same. Same with chain, plating, shiny, some holes...but 6800/5800 shifts the same, lasts as long.I've got a friend with the better part of 30k miles on a 5700 group. no issues, other than it likes to eat derailleur cables. and he can keep up with anyone in the area (including Cat 1's and ex-pros) on a climb.

[saab2000]

The 5800 grouppo is 1 pound 2 oz heavier than the 9000 Dura Ace groupset.

Is 500+ grams worth $700? It is on another Forum. :D

Is Dura Ace more durable than 105? I am sure it is.

I ride a lot of miles. Many in miserable conditions in remote areas. I've broken Ultegra and 105 shifters but never a Dura Ace or SRAM Red (luck?).

In my mind the 9000 group for $1057 is no question the better deal although the advantages might be marginal. The chain, cassette, FD, bearings, and shifters are far superior on Dura Ace. The chain rings are quite different and shift better. I think the 5800 uses bushings on the derailleur pulleys.

I'd be surprised if the 5800 is less durable but you have more experience. I was blown away by how nice it was to install and get adjusted.

It seems there are some places they save money and one of them is the crank finish. That will not be durable if there's any rubbing. Whatever the outer coating is already has some scratches on it.

But the brakes were simple to get set up and the shifting is very precise.

I got a compact groupset but have already swapped the 34 out for a 39. So I'm running a 39/50 in front. It came with an 11-28 cassette which I haven't got installed yet. Right now I'm running a set of Campagnolo wheels with a Chorus 11-speed 12-25 cassette and this combo works great.

I may install the 11-28 when I get some Shimano-compatible wheels (I want White Industries hubs and I'm holding out for them until I have them in my current budget) and I may also splurge for a 9000 cassette. I prefer the 12-28 over the 11-28. It's a rare day indeed that I would need a 50x11 in the Twin Cities. Yes, there are some times, but not often. It's a bigger ratio than the old racer's tall gear of 53x12. So a 50x12 might do the trick and I'd gain an 18 on the back, which is a nice gear. I digress...

The 5800 groupset was a full Shimano groupset. Many bikes that come preassembled with 5800 don't have full groups. They use a crank and/or brakes from another manufacturer and I think they often even use off brand cables and chains. The Shimano stuff went together really nicely and the shifting is light and precise, as is the braking.

[559Rando]

I bought a 5800 groupset a month ago from Ribble and paid $318 shipped to my door. Functionally, it is indistinguishable from my 9000 groupsets.

Functionally the same, but 10 speed versus 11? I felt like I had a million gears on my 11 speed test ride. It made me shift happy and every time I reached for another gear, there was another...and another...and another...

[saab2000]

Functionally the same, but 10 speed versus 11? I felt like I had a million gears on my 11 speed test ride. It made me shift happy and every time I reached for another gear, there was another...and another...and another...

5800 is 11-speed. I love it. I loved my 10-speed Campagnolo as well. But having an extra gear is nice. There's no drawback in my opinion, except for backwards compatibility issues and at least for now, Campagnolo works with their older hubs with 11-speed.

[dzxc]

I bought a 5800 groupset a month ago from Ribble and paid $318 shipped to my door. Functionally, it is indistinguishable from my 9000 groupsets.

I'm with you here.

I say the smart money buys 5800 and spends the remainder on a wheel upgrade. Or investing it in a low cost index fund and becoming a millionaire in stocks. Or a few hundred Power Ball tickets.

But then I lose you here. Functionally and by feel, keeping tire/tube choice and pressure constant, pretty much all wheelsets above a certain quality threshold will be the same. I can't tell a difference between my $150 Aksiums and my much more expensive Hed Belgiums w/ CK hubs.

So foregoing the 9000 group over the 5800 group because they feel the same makes sense, until you advocate for doing the exact opposite with respect to wheels. Can you address the apparent contradiction?

[stephenmarklay]

The only thing I don’t love about 5800 is the looks and really that is mostly the cranks.

I have black 5800 on my CSI and I might go to silver and use a different cranks for “that” look.

[saab2000]

Can you address the apparent contradiction?

I think lower weight wheels with their rotating weight will make a bigger difference than lower weight static components.

That's the only real difference. I see your point.

[559Rando]

5800 is 11-speed. I love it. I loved my 10-speed Campagnolo as well. But having an extra gear is nice. There's no drawback in my opinion, except for backwards compatibility issues and at least for now, Campagnolo works with their older hubs with 11-speed.

Woah! For $318? What a steal!

[baker]

I bought a 5800 groupset a month ago from Ribble and paid $318 shipped to my door. Functionally, it is indistinguishable from my 9000 groupsets.

I say the smart money buys 5800 and spends the remainder on a wheel upgrade. Or investing it in a low cost index fund and becoming a millionaire in stocks. Or a few hundred Power Ball tickets.

Seriously, I'm questioning everything with this 5800 groupset I'm enjoying. It's amazingly nice for less than 1/3 the cost of the 9000.

The bike has 6700 now which is getting long in the tooth. I'd be happy with 6800, but I like the bike and plan to keep it for many years. I don't think I'd regret shelling out for DA.

[Gummee]

In the recent past, I had all 3 11sp Shimano groupsets in my garage.

D/A and Ultegra are really hard to tell apart.
105's shifting is less crisp

I'll probably buy a 9100 groupset when Shimano does a flash sale on it, then move the 9k stuff down a bike.

M

[saab2000]

In the recent past, I had all 3 11sp Shimano groupsets in my garage.

D/A and Ultegra are really hard to tell apart.
105's shifting is less crisp



Just curious, was this assembled with Shimano cables and housing? Sometimes big brand bikes come with cheaper stuff where you can't see it as easily.

My 5800/105 shifts essentially identically to my 9000 groups. I doubt I could tell them apart in a blind test.

And to the poster who said he wouldn't feel bad about getting 9000: I wouldn't either! I have three bikes with 9000 and they're very nice!

This came about with mine because I had a frameset hanging in my garage ready to go but lacking a groupset. I had everything else for the build. Looked around and decided on the 5800. So far, so good.

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[deechee]

So, anyone seen D/A 9000 hubs for cheap?

[PaulE]

As others have said, buy now. I think the whole Brexit thing has driven the pound's value down below its real value and it will come back up over time. Also, by buying now you will have a better chance of buying the complete group with the bottom bracket, crankset and cassette that you want. Of course these are my own opinions which may turn out to be wrong!

[jtbadge]

As others have said, buy now. I think the whole Brexit thing has driven the pound's value down below its real value and it will come back up over time. Also, by buying now you will have a better chance of buying the complete group with the bottom bracket, crankset and cassette that you want. Of course these are my own opinions which may turn out to be wrong!

Seems like it's already back on the upswing, at least on a micro scale. I bought a 6800 groupset on Ribble a few weeks ago at $469 and now they are up above $500.

6800 seems like the real value king here - half the price of 9000.

[Cicli]

Seems like it's already back on the upswing, at least on a micro scale. I bought a 6800 groupset on Ribble a few weeks ago at $469 and now they up above $500.

6800 seems like the real value king here - half the price of 9000.

And it works very well too. My first ride on Shimano in a looooooooooooong time is on 6800. It works very well.

[Dead Man]

So, anyone seen D/A 9000 hubs for cheap?

Yes, actually.. There's an eBay dealer that regularly has DA hubsets for $300

Though not necessarily in the holes you need

[tbike4]

Yes, actually.. There's an eBay dealer that regularly has DA hubsets for $300

Though not necessarily in the holes you need

I subscribe to look for 24/28 9000 hub set and have not seen any yet for less than about $350. A rear 28h for $230.

[bfd]

I subscribe to look for 24/28 9000 hub set and have not seen any yet for less than about $350. A rear 28h for $230.

Ribble is your friend for 28h hubset:

DA 9000 28h rear hub - $176.38 (hurry, only 3 left!)
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/shimano-rear-dura-ace-9000-road-hub/

DA 9000 28h front hub - $88.19 (5 in stock)
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/shimano-front-dura-ace-9000-road-hub/

That's a total of $264.57 and free shipping too! What's not to like?!

Good Luck!:hello::beer::butt::crap:

[Gummee]

Just curious, was this assembled with Shimano cables and housing? Sometimes big brand bikes come with cheaper stuff where you can't see it as easily.

I used the cables and housing that came with the components. I haven't bought an 'off the shelf' bike in the last 20 years

M

[saab2000]

I used the cables and housing that came with the components. I haven't bought an 'off the shelf' bike in the last 20 years

M

Interesting. I believe your experience but mine was a bit different. Who knows why, but each of my three 9000 groupsets are slightly different too.

My 5800 is, so far at least, just as precise as my 9000 groups. Virtually no difference.

The biggest difference is the brakes and the 5800s feel far stronger, but that's totally due to the rim material. Two of the 9000 groups have carbon rims and one has mechanical discs. The best of the lot, by far, would be the 5800s with aluminum rims. No debate. The second would be the ENVE 3.4 clincher rims with ENVE pads and 9000 calipers. They don't suck at all, but the aluminum rims and original pads are remarkable.

[Kirk007]

I sprung for a Dura Ace group 2 weeks ago to go on a NOS Motorola Merckx - wanted to keep the original theme, but updated. Ribble, Merlin and Evans were all very close in price - 1192 with dura ace pedals and free shipping.

I've been a Campy first guy for the past 2 decades of so. First time on Shimano road since 8 speed and I'm impressed. Brakes rock (or course that has been true since at least 8 speed dura ace), the shifting is very smooth, the set-up for the new front derailleur is a PITA and I never had any trouble with the old ones, and I still don't like the hoods, particularly how long they are compared to Shimano, but the function is very nice.

[oldpotatoe]

I sprung for a Dura Ace group 2 weeks ago to go on a NOS Motorola Merckx - wanted to keep the original theme, but updated. Ribble, Merlin and Evans were all very close in price - 1192 with dura ace pedals and free shipping.

I've been a Campy first guy for the past 2 decades of so. First time on Shimano road since 8 speed and I'm impressed. Brakes rock (or course that has been true since at least 8 speed dura ace), the shifting is very smooth, the set-up for the new front derailleur is a PITA and I never had any trouble with the old ones, and I still don't like the hoods, particularly how long they are compared to Shimano, but the function is very nice.

'But, I'm impressed.':):eek:

[Chris]

I'm interested to see how the new front derailleur works on the 9100 group. I've decided after the 7900 debacle though that I am only "upgrading" groups when there is a necessary change because of wear or number of gears rather than just style.

[Gummee]

I'm interested to see how the new front derailleur works on the 9100 group. I've decided after the 7900 debacle though that I am only "upgrading" groups when there is a necessary change because of wear or number of gears rather than just style.

Another gear is just another gear these days, but that front derailleur (while a PITA to set up) is worth the cost of the group.

I wasn't going to switch just to get that one more gear. Then I started building bikes with the new ft der on em and HAD to have it. ...so I swapped all 5 road-based bikes over over the course of a summer

M

[oldfatslow]

I've got a friend with the better part of 30k miles on a 5700 group. no issues, other than it likes to eat derailleur cables. and he can keep up with anyone in the area (including Cat 1's and ex-pros) on a climb.

While we may deny it, for 99.999% of us it's the Indian not the arrow.

I see people debate one component over another and decide to pay $100's more to save a few grams. If you are a pro with <2% body fat than a few grams could really matter. If you are like most of us and you carry a bike's worth of body fat than does a few grams or even pounds really matter?

What matters is riding your bike. Get out there, ride that new 105 stuff (or that 10-year-old Ultegra stuff or whatever you may have), and enjoy life on 2 human-powered wheels.

[TimD]

Recently upgraded two of my bikes from old and somewhat tired 7700 DA to Shimano 11-speed.

On the first bike, went all 6800, from Ribble, total cost around $575 IIRC. On the second bike (NOS Serotta Colorado), went 6800 with the DA 9001 lever upgrade option (+$90), also from Ribble, total cost around $615. This was before the most recent price reductions. The 7700 DA has residual value, so it is possible to reduce the cost of such an upgrade to under $400, including the cost of a DT Swiss 11-speed freehub.

I think the 9001 shifters feel very slightly better than the 6800. IMO. Other than that I cannot tell a difference.

I have built two other bikes with 6800 and two more bikes with 5800. Everything has been running smoothly. As for longevity, time will tell. Yes, the FD adjustment is a pain, especially if the frame lacks adjustable cable stops!

Bottom line, it is great stuff, at least out of the box.

[Ed-B]

My neighbor has a carbon Cannondale with a very flimsy front derailleur "braze-on" mount. The stock 5600 front derailleur would flex so much that the bike shifted horribly. You could easily flex this thing with a thumb and forefinger.

We installed a new 5800 derailleur, put the metal tab on the frame and dialed down reinforcing set screw to give it that extra support. The bike shifts much better now, and we're still using the original 5600 controls.

Another gear is just another gear these days, but that front derailleur (while a PITA to set up) is worth the cost of the group.

I wasn't going to switch just to get that one more gear. Then I started building bikes with the new ft der on em and HAD to have it. ...so I swapped all 5 road-based bikes over over the course of a summer

M

[Chris]

Another gear is just another gear these days, but that front derailleur (while a PITA to set up) is worth the cost of the group.

I wasn't going to switch just to get that one more gear. Then I started building bikes with the new ft der on em and HAD to have it. ...so I swapped all 5 road-based bikes over over the course of a summer

M

You're talking about the 9000 derailleur right? I have that. It is a PITA but does shift well. With 9100 they have completely redesigned it again. That's my curiosity. Anything is better than the 7900.

[steelbikerider]

Just put 9000 on my bike this week, replacing the 7900. I always liked the 7900. The lever bodies fit my hand much better than 7800 and the front shifted just fine after I got the cable mount right. The 7900 is replacing the 7800 on my steel bike.
The 9000 is nice, especially the long lever bodies. Set-up was easy and I only had to make a small cable tension adjustment on the first ride. I don't really need the extra gear unless I drive about 3 hours but now I won't have to buy another cassette. Overall the update was worth it.
Prices may be going back up as stocks get depleted. I bought my group over the past year in pieces for about $1200(all DA except cassette). The lowest prices I saw were about 3-4 months ago.

[verbeke06]

I'm seeing DA 9000 now for about $1,050 from several sellers. Looks like now is the time to get in!

[baker]

Wow, prices have sure gone up! Not so drastically on DA9000, which is now $1089 on Ribble, but on 5800, which I'm not seeing for under $400, and 6800, which is $518 at PBK with 5% discount.

[Cicli]

So,
Being new to Shimano is there any reason to get 9000 over yhe 6800 the bike has now?
Other than bling?

[oldpotatoe]

So,
Being new to Shimano is there any reason to get 9000 over yhe 6800 the bike has now?
Other than bling?

No but get Chorus or Potenza or Athena.

[saab2000]

So,
Being new to Shimano is there any reason to get 9000 over yhe 6800 the bike has now?
Other than bling?

Based on my experience with a new 5800 groupset I'm not sure there's a reason to get anything more than that.

That said, I like my DA stuff too.

And my Campagnolo, though there seems to be more drivetrain drag. Not sure why.... I may PM Mr. Old Potatoe to get his opinion.

I got a 5800 groupset post Brexit vote and I'm blown away at how nice it is. Not just how nice it is for the money, but how actually nice it is.

[Cicli]

No but get Chorus or Potenza or Athena.

Yeah,
I am seriously considering another Chorus group.