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[stephenmarklay]

I have come to the conclusion that a slammed stem does not make me faster it just makes less comfy and unable to use the drops well etc.

What looks better, a longer quill such as a technomic and getting it up or using an adapter and using a threadless stem with a little rise?

P.S. Sorry for the original typos making this eligible.

[CNY rider]

I have a couple of bikes with quills. I think they look elegant, and I can always get the bars exactly where I want them.
As long as you can find a bar that you like that works with a quill I would go quill all the way.

[eddief]

that's my take.

[Pastashop]

IMO, depends on what the rest of the bike is like... If fat tubes and carbon fork, then you're pretty much required (by aesthetic police) to run a 1.125" threadless stem. If traditional tubes and steel fork, then you could probably do best with a quill. Technomic Deluxe or lugged would be the bees knees. Salsa ok too. Or custom by Winter Bicycles :-)

[peanutgallery]

If you acquire the right bike you don't have to slam the stem. All the endurance bikes have plenty of head tube, race geometry too. They've really evolved the last few years

As far as a quill? It's simply an inferior design. No desire to return noodly 1 inch head tubes or deal with the hassle of a total disassembly for a stem change. Might as well get an aluminum fork to go with it. In this case, technology is a good thing

[stephenmarklay]

If you acquire the right bike you don't have to slam the stem. All the endurance bikes have plenty of head tube, race geometry too. They've really evolved the last few years

As far as a quill? It's simply an inferior design. No desire to return noodly 1 inch head tubes or deal with the hassle of a total disassembly for a stem change. Might as well get an aluminum fork to go with it. In this case, technology is a good thing

Thanks, but I am not ready to give up on my noodle head tube just yet.

[bigbill]

I have two stiff bikes, a Big Leg Emma and a MX Leader. The MX Leader has a Cinelli 1A with Nitto Noodles and the BLE has a 3T alloy bars and stem. I can't tell any discernable difference is stiffness, the BLE is just lighter and a little more smooth on the road due to a longer wheelbase. I also have a Nobilette GT (Team Shaklee) that originally had a threaded stem but when I had it repainted, I also had a steel threadless fork made for it. To make it work, it has more spacers that equate to a quill stem height. It's still a great ride.

[oldpotatoe]

I have come to the conclusion that a slammed stem does not make me faster it just makes less comfy and unable to use the drops well etc.

What looks better, a longer quill such as a technomic and getting it up or using an adapter and using a threadless stem with a little rise?

P.S. Sorry for the original typos making this eligible.

I vote quill adapter. All silver including the stem and handlebars, they look quite alright.

[stephenmarklay]

I vote quill adapter. All silver including the stem and handlebars, they look quite alright.

What would be your stem of choice for a not too modern look?

[oldpotatoe]

What would be your stem of choice for a not too modern look?

Ritchey, bar and stem

[guido]

With a 1" head tube the quill just looks more proper. I vote for the Nitto Technomic or Tallux. They are the perfect balance of strength and elegance.

[rccardr]

Deda also makes a nice inexpensive polished stem and if you want you can polish the logo off of it. As seen on my long-since-sold GT Edge Ti during the setup phase:

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/rccardr/98%20GT%20Titanium%20Edge/98GTEdgeTitaniumrightsidelarge.jpg (http://s797.photobucket.com/user/rccardr/media/98%20GT%20Titanium%20Edge/98GTEdgeTitaniumrightsidelarge.jpg.html)

[stephenmarklay]

Deda also makes a nice inexpensive polished stem and if you want you can polish the logo off of it. As seen on my long-since-sold GT Edge Ti during the setup phase:

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/rccardr/98%20GT%20Titanium%20Edge/98GTEdgeTitaniumrightsidelarge.jpg (http://s797.photobucket.com/user/rccardr/media/98%20GT%20Titanium%20Edge/98GTEdgeTitaniumrightsidelarge.jpg.html)

That looks downright proper! What quill adapter did you use/recommend?

[stephenmarklay]

Ritchey, bar and stem

Like ;)

[Mzilliox]

velo orange does a nice one, this is shimmed...
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1655/25298592381_cca087bec9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ExxU8g)J.P. Weigle Single Speed (https://flic.kr/p/ExxU8g) by Matt.zilliox (https://www.flickr.com/photos/41573599@N06/), on Flickr

[bobswire]

Hey Doc,do you have a close up where the stem adapter and headset meet,it really looks smooth.
The problem I've come across with adapters was not have a smooth transition between the square lock nut on the top of the headset and the round adapter without having it look like a goose neck(see below). He could have put on some spacers which would have helped but even then the square bolt to round spacer is awkward.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2jahsol.jpg

Or even this is not quite right for my tastes,though it is cleaner than most I've seen (only because he had the adapter slammed. :)).

http://i64.tinypic.com/2q06b91.jpg

I think it is more to do with the kind of headset one uses (like Mzilliox above) than anything else.

I've had the same problem in that I require a taller stem due to neck issues and just went with taller quill stems for 1 in HT. BTW I'm using a Soma Sutro quill stem in this photo,it's 180mm in length.

http://i68.tinypic.com/15rifys.jpg

[benb]

Once you get out of semi-nebulous things like front end stiffness I fail to see how the threadless stems are actually an improvement. I do really appreciate the front end stiffness of lots of new forks, particularly the ones that are bigger than 1 1\8" but I had a few frames with 1 1\8" threadless setups that had poor stiffness, and there were plenty of 1" threaded setups that worked very well.

You never need to go order more stems to change fit, even often for a different rider, when you're using a quill stem.

When I rode a quill stem I didn't end up with a box full of stems to be able to adjust my fit..

[FlashUNC]

I'd just go with a taller quill and call it a day.

[stephenmarklay]

velo orange does a nice one, this is shimmed...
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1655/25298592381_cca087bec9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ExxU8g)J.P. Weigle Single Speed (https://flic.kr/p/ExxU8g) by Matt.zilliox (https://www.flickr.com/photos/41573599@N06/), on Flickr

Which adapter has a longer clamp area to allow spacers like this?

[Mzilliox]

Which adapter has a longer clamp area to allow spacers like this?

this fork actually has a 1" steerer instead of an adapter. I was mainly showing that there are some nice classic looking stems available if one wants to go the ahead route.

[oliver1850]

I used a long quill TTT on my Strong, which has a very short HT. I think it looks better in person. I really think a rise stem is a more efficient way to get the bar higher, but I had the TTT on hand when I built the bike.

[MikeD]

Once you get out of semi-nebulous things like front end stiffness I fail to see how the threadless stems are actually an improvement. I do really appreciate the front end stiffness of lots of new forks, particularly the ones that are bigger than 1 1\8" but I had a few frames with 1 1\8" threadless setups that had poor stiffness, and there were plenty of 1" threaded setups that worked very well.



You never need to go order more stems to change fit, even often for a different rider, when you're using a quill stem.



When I rode a quill stem I didn't end up with a box full of stems to be able to adjust my fit..


Just don't cut the steerer tube short and raise your stem with spacers or flip the stem. Guess you've never had a quill stem rust or freeze in the steerer. They are also lighter. Headset adjustment is easy. Definitely superior to quill stems, in my opinion.

[palincss]

I have come to the conclusion that a slammed stem does not make me faster it just makes less comfy and unable to use the drops well etc.

What looks better, a longer quill such as a technomic and getting it up or using an adapter and using a threadless stem with a little rise?


Technomics look fine. Threadless adapters look weird and goofy by comparison, IMHO.

[stephenmarklay]

this fork actually has a 1" steerer instead of an adapter. I was mainly showing that there are some nice classic looking stems available if one wants to go the ahead route.

Gotcha

[stephenmarklay]

Technomics look fine. Threadless adapters look weird and goofy by comparison, IMHO.


Do you know if the Technomics Deluxe measures like the pearl? That is 7mm longer or so than a traditional measurement?

[sandyrs]

I used a long quill TTT on my Strong, which has a very short HT. I think it looks better in person. I really think a rise stem is a more efficient way to get the bar higher, but I had the TTT on hand when I built the bike.

That handlebar setup also puts the hoods a couple cm lower than they would be on most contemporary handlebars.

[stephenmarklay]

Hey Doc,do you have a close up where the stem adapter and headset meet,it really looks smooth.
The problem I've come across with adapters was not have a smooth transition between the square lock nut on the top of the headset and the round adapter without having it look like a goose neck(see below). He could have put on some spacers which would have helped but even then the square bolt to round spacer is awkward.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2jahsol.jpg

Or even this is not quite right for my tastes,though it is cleaner than most I've seen (only because he had the adapter slammed. :)).

http://i64.tinypic.com/2q06b91.jpg

I think it is more to do with the kind of headset one uses (like Mzilliox above) than anything else.

I've had the same problem in that I require a taller stem due to neck issues and just went with taller quill stems for 1 in HT. BTW I'm using a Soma Sutro quill stem in this photo,it's 180mm in length.

http://i68.tinypic.com/15rifys.jpg


That some stem does not look bad at all and I think the drop is about what I think is comfy too.

[rccardr]

So, the GT Edge had a 1" threadless conversion installed by the previous owner. I was just trying to show what a polished 100mm stem with the logo removed would look like.

However, over the past year or so I've built a couple of bikes using the Profile Design adaptor, primarily so that the build could use shallow drop bars, which are more easily obtainable in the modern 31.8 clamp size. Since my setup utilizes an 80mm (slightly more than 3") drop from the top of the saddle to the top of the bars, using a 100mm stem that is slammed and installed downwards gives me the correct orientation, thusly:

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/rccardr/88%20Cannondale%20yellow%20ST%202015/88CannondaleST2015rightside_zps7591834e.jpg (http://s797.photobucket.com/user/rccardr/media/88%20Cannondale%20yellow%20ST%202015/88CannondaleST2015rightside_zps7591834e.jpg.html)
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/rccardr/89%20Cannondale%20SR%20red%2011%20speed/89%20SR%20red%20right%20side_zpsgakf5lnx.jpg (http://s797.photobucket.com/user/rccardr/media/89%20Cannondale%20SR%20red%2011%20speed/89%20SR%20red%20right%20side_zpsgakf5lnx.jpg.html)
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/rccardr/De%20Bernardi%2010%20speed%20black/De%20Bernardi%20right%20side_zpsprcklwxh.jpg (http://s797.photobucket.com/user/rccardr/media/De%20Bernardi%2010%20speed%20black/De%20Bernardi%20right%20side_zpsprcklwxh.jpg.html)

I agree with most here that an adaptor looks somewhat ungainly with a lot of gap under the steerer clamp. Not a huge fan of the tall Technomic, either, but understand that for those with a back issue it's a good solution.

[stephenmarklay]

For now I ordered a Technomic Deluxe stem. They are similar to the soma with about an 180mm quill. I most likely will not need much more than normal but I wanted the option.

I do want to start working on a threadless system as some of these look great.

[ik2280]

That DeBernardi has a great paint job.

I prefer the way a quill looks on a steel bike with a 1" head tube. Getting a 1" threaded fork with mid-blade mounts for a Nitto rack built right now for my Serotta GP Suisse. Should look proper, ATMO.

[Ken Robb]

If the DeLuxe is not long enough the regualr Technomic is longer (225mm I think) and the Tallux is even longer. The all-time bailout stem is the Dirt Drop.

[cderalow]

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/rccardr/89%20Cannondale%20SR%20red%2011%20speed/89%20SR%20red%20right%20side_zpsgakf5lnx.jpg (http://s797.photobucket.com/user/rccardr/media/89%20Cannondale%20SR%20red%2011%20speed/89%20SR%20red%20right%20side_zpsgakf5lnx.jpg.html)



Odd rear triangle on that one.

[FlashUNC]

Odd rear triangle on that one.

Welcome to early aluminum. Notice too the crimp in the chainstay for both the chainrings and heel clearance.

Those rear dropouts had a reputation for cracking, if memory serves. Stiff bikes, but bone jarring too.

[stephenmarklay]

If the DeLuxe is not long enough the regualr Technomic is longer (225mm I think) and the Tallux is even longer. The all-time bailout stem is the Dirt Drop.

I am certain the deluxe is fine. I bet I could even get away with a pearl all the way up. I am actually pretty flexible. I simply don’t think for me, that a big saddle bar drop makes me any faster.

This is my old RB-1 setup (pearl at max) and it was actually not bad. The SA nose up saddle makes it hard to see the drop however.

The head tube on the Rb-1 and my new CSI are really similar also. I will likely bump up the quill by .5-1cm.

[bbobway]

The Nitto quill stems look really nice and practical to me. Maybe a Rivendell is in my future!

[stephenmarklay]

Ritchey, bar and stem

I would love to get a quill adapter to make this work and not look goofy.

Do they make a quill adapter such that the clamp area is slightly longer that say 40mm so I won’t get the goose neck look if the stem is not slammed?

[unterhausen]

I see a lot of people with slammed stems that look really uncomfortable. One of the local racers had his bike in the shop, and I commented about the 1cm spacer underneath. But he had a really short stem. He says he wants to take the spacer out, I said not to bother if he was comfortable.

A few years back, I put in about an inch of spacers and rode that way for quite a while. When I took them out it was like a whole new bike, I felt much more open. So it's worth checking. Going after low bars just for low bars sake is silly.

[weisan]

velo orange does a nice one, this is shimmed...
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1655/25298592381_cca087bec9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ExxU8g)J.P. Weigle Single Speed (https://flic.kr/p/ExxU8g) by Matt.zilliox (https://www.flickr.com/photos/41573599@N06/), on Flickr

Matt pal, this is by far, one of my favorite bike picture ever posted here. Many moons ago when I was a teenager and just getting into bike racing, I have a poster in my room of a Schwinn racing bike that was painted the same color. Do you know the color code by any chance?

[baldbones]

I'm after this quill as it doesn't show that much

[marsh]

This would look so much weirder with an adapter:
http://i.imgur.com/EiX2aMhh.jpg

[oliver1850]

I'm after this quill as it doesn't show that much


That's the type of stem I prefer rather than a long quill. Gets the bar in the same place with less material. There just aren't that many 90* or slight rise road stems out there. I have a 90* ITM but it's the only one I've ever seen.

[adamhell]

ugh, no adapters. just get a tallux or technomic and be done.

like this:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h184/adamleibow/IMG_6445_zpsskuqcuam.jpg

[Shoeman]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To me that is got to be a fit problem and it would totally not be safe, at least for me anyway!!!!!!!!

[adamhell]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To me that is got to be a fit problem and it would totally not be safe, at least for me anyway!!!!!!!!

no, i can lower it and it rides more like my road bike. higher up for a comfort cruise!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e6/75/c3/e675c35399c05147ed5d652fa7c0475d.jpg

[stephenmarklay]

Playing with the numbers one could g with a +17 degree stem like the VO quill and same about 6cm of quill exposure or perhaps even slam a +17 threadless with quill adapter and avoid the gooseneck.

I would like to see this on a bike. I may even try that.

[Ronsonic]

Some years ago I had a situation where I really felt the need to get the bars up on my bike and for the duration of a few cross races ran something like this horror.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w258/Ronsonic/15887.jpg

[stephenmarklay]

Some years ago I had a situation where I really felt the need to get the bars up on my bike and for the duration of a few cross races ran something like this horror.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w258/Ronsonic/15887.jpg

Yeah that is fugly.

[stephenmarklay]

I wanted to follow up with this and get feedback on my first shot at this.

*Please disregard the saddle that looks a bit goofy. It is a place holder for now.

This is a NITTO Dynamic Deluxe which appears to be a 180mm Quill versions of the pearl. I have it set at about 75mm in height. I rode it this way and it felt great. I also think over time I will settle on a little lower height.

To much quill?

I also thinking about going with a VO quill adapter and Ritchey Classic +6 Stem. I would get the bars and seat post for a nice looking cockpit. With this setup it appears I would show very little of the quill and it forms a nice taper to the stem.
I used an online calculator to see what it would look like.

What do you guys think?

[cp43]

IMHO, it looks fine as, and will look a bit better with the quill a little lower. No need to go the adapter route.

Beautiful bike! :beer:

Chris

I wanted to follow up with this and get feedback on my first shot at this.

*Please disregard the saddle that looks a bit goofy. It is a place holder for now.

This is a NITTO Dynamic Deluxe which appears to be a 180mm Quill versions of the pearl. I have it set at about 75mm in height. I rode it this way and it felt great. I also think over time I will settle on a little lower height.

To much quill?

I also thinking about going with a VO quill adapter and Ritchey Classic +6 Stem. I would get the bars and seat post for a nice looking cockpit. With this setup it appears I would show very little of the quill and it forms a nice taper to the stem.
I used an online calculator to see what it would look like.

What do you guys think?

[sandyrs]

I vote keep it as is.

[stephenmarklay]

IMHO, it looks fine as, and will look a bit better with the quill a little lower. No need to go the adapter route.

Beautiful bike! :beer:

Chris

Thank you. That bike has now been in 3 forum members hands and I am keeping it :) I will likely drop the stem. I have only ridden once with it. I did not want to scratch it taking it lower and then wanting to raise it. I will drop it slowly so I don’t notice :cool: