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SuperColnago
03-19-2016, 07:07 PM
Getting ready to pull the trigger on a MOOTS RSL up here in Canada, LBS quotes me $4900 US is the suggested retail.
What does a new RSL really sell for in Colorado, or anywhere US? Just trying to beat down the price here....by comparing to real street price as opposed to suggested retail.
Thanks for your help!
Matthew
03-19-2016, 07:09 PM
Calling oldpotatoe! I think it is around 4750-4800 in the U.S.?
SoCalSteve
03-19-2016, 07:18 PM
http://www.wrenchscience.com/road/frames/Moots/
SuperColnago
03-19-2016, 07:40 PM
http://www.wrenchscience.com/road/frames/Moots/
OK so street price is $4900 US then? - just want to confirm, they still say MSRP on that website, - do they actually sell for that, or any less than MSRP actually?
happycampyer
03-19-2016, 07:52 PM
I think Moots discourages its dealers from discounting their frames. If you buy a complete bike, the dealer will usually discount the parts, so it's a little harder to tell. Whenever I have bought a frame only from a dealer I have paid the msrp.
SuperColnago
03-19-2016, 07:55 PM
I think Moots discourages its dealers from discounting their frames. If you buy a complete bike, the dealer will usually discount the parts, so it's a little harder to tell. Whenever I have bought a frame only from a dealer I have paid the msrp.
OK got it, just useful to know when I pay equivalent of $4900 US I'm not grossly overpaying the normal selling price.....not many available in Canada.....
Thanks
joosttx
03-19-2016, 07:56 PM
I would buy a C60. Order it from europe and its half priced. At least with the USD.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1534/25864630726_1cdfbbe946_c.jpg
weisan
03-19-2016, 07:59 PM
I would buy a C60. Order it from europe and its half priced. At least with the USD.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1534/25864630726_1cdfbbe946_c.jpg
joox pal, I think your C60 is really nice but these are two very different bikes, imo.
SuperColnago
03-19-2016, 08:08 PM
Ha yes Im waffling between C60 and RSL, I have a previous thread on this "WTB C60 or MOOTS RSL"!
I think I'm going MOOTS to start with, then will buy a C60 next year...Shhhh
I shopped around for a Moots before pulling the trigger on a Mosaic. fwiw couldn't find a single local Moots dealer or online dealer that would give me a break on the price of the current year model. They do give a small discount, a few hundred dollars iirc, for the NOS prior year model, but that's it. I would say their website price is the going price for a new Moots.
joosttx
03-19-2016, 08:10 PM
Ha yes Im waffling between C60 and RSL, I have a previous thread on this "WTB C60 or MOOTS RSL"!
I think I'm going MOOTS to start with, then will buy a C60 next year...Shhhh
Ok ill quit bugging you about it. :beer:
adhumston
03-19-2016, 08:13 PM
Ha yes Im waffling between C60 and RSL, I have a previous thread on this "WTB C60 or MOOTS RSL"!
I think I'm going MOOTS to start with, then will buy a C60 next year...Shhhh
Or buy the C60 this year for cheaper, and put the $$ saved down as a deposit towards a custom ti frame for next year? Imagine the possibilities!
Pegoready
03-19-2016, 08:27 PM
Not really sure why anyone would expect a discount on a Moots. These bikes are built to order, so what is a dealer's motivation to discount? It's not like an overtstock of Treks that need to disappear to make room for the next batch.
Why can't retail pricing be just that- the retail price?
Or buy the C60 this year for cheaper, and put the $$ saved down as a deposit towards a custom ti frame for next year? Imagine the possibilities!
If you are sure you want both a carbon and Ti bike, then I think this is a great idea.
Well many of the dealers I called were giving discounts on NOS, so presumably the larger ones at least order a run of standard sizes to sell without having to order. Moots told me that most people just order a standard size anyways, and some go for the 1cm extended head tube option. And an even smaller minority go with full custom. Moots isn't like Eriksen or Mosaic who have no standard sizes or builds and do everything totally custom. So I think it's reasonable to ask for a discount on an in stock frame of a standard size like with any other bike (Specialized, Trek, etc.).
SuperColnago
03-19-2016, 08:54 PM
[QUOTE=dzxc;1939806]Well many of the dealers I called were giving discounts on NOS, so presumably the larger ones at least order a run of standard sizes to sell without having to order. Moots told me that most people just order a standard size anyways, and some go for the 1cm extended head tube option. And an even smaller minority go with full custom. Moots isn't like Eriksen or Mosaic who have no standard sizes or builds and do everything totally custom. So I think it's reasonable to ask for a discount on an in stock frame of a standard size like with any other bike (Specialized, Trek, etc.).[/QUOTE
Yah what he said, I'm looking at a 2015 RSL Demo that has been ridden and will fit me, and the dealer is charging me 2016 US price with today's exchange rate, he bought it last year when exchange rate was 25% less than it is now....which is why I'm trying to negotiate
happycampyer
03-19-2016, 10:00 PM
Iirc, I bought a Compact SL in-stock from a dealer that got it from Moots before a price increase ($3,100 to $3,300), and the dealer sold it to me for the original price. I would expect a dealer demo to be discounted--it has been built and ridden. Granted, the demo frame comes with a warranty like a new bike, but it isn't new.
beeatnik
03-19-2016, 10:12 PM
SuperCuulnago, here's the deal:
If you buy a new Moots, pay new Moots pricing. It won't be dirt cheap and it won't be walk-funny overpriced. As some might say, the price is the price. But you'll get the full weight of a great organization behind you. That alone is worth a few grand.
Now, you have an interesting user name, which I kind of dig. Someone suggested a C60. That's a qoo bika. Someone also misinformed you that it's half the price of an RSL. Well, by my calculations, a direct from Europe C60 wil cost you $3800 USD for the frameset, $400 for customs and then a priceless amount of worry if that chet breaks.
Just buy that RSL and stop being dense. Love you man.
joosttx
03-19-2016, 10:22 PM
SuperCuulnago, here's the deal:
If you buy a new Moots, pay new Moots pricing. It won't be dirt cheap and it won't be walk-funny overpriced. As some might say, the price is the price. But you'll get the full weight of a great organization behind you. That alone is worth a few grand.
Now, you have an interesting user name, which I kind of dig. Someone suggested a C60. That's a qoo bika. Someone also misinformed you that it's half the price of an RSL. Well, by my calculations, a direct from Europe C60 wil cost you $3800 USD for the frameset, $400 for customs and then a priceless amount of worry if that chet breaks.
Just buy that RSL and stop being dense. Love you man.
You missed read. Europe price would be half the price as the price of a C60 in the US not half the price of a moots.
beeatnik
03-19-2016, 10:37 PM
Houston, C60 is probably the best carbon bika ever produced. Any discount is badazz. $4000 instead of $6500 or whatever for frame set is badazz. However, this cat, Super Cuulnago, should get a Moots RSL. If he were under 40, I'd tell him to get the C60. Anyway, both bikas will eventually have creaks, so there's that.
kitsnob
03-19-2016, 10:59 PM
You missed read. Europe price would be half the price as the price of a C60 in the US not half the price of a moots.
He was probably thinking of ordering from Mike
http://www.maestro-uk.com/
Then again if your gonna drop that amount of coin, why not consider custom?
There are lots of bespoke carbon, titanium and steel builders
Just sayin'
oldpotatoe
03-20-2016, 04:31 AM
OK so street price is $4900 US then? - just want to confirm, they still say MSRP on that website, - do they actually sell for that, or any less than MSRP actually?
$4900.....$4900, I think Vecchio's is $4899..
oldpotatoe
03-20-2016, 04:39 AM
I shopped around for a Moots before pulling the trigger on a Mosaic. fwiw couldn't find a single local Moots dealer or online dealer that would give me a break on the price of the current year model. They do give a small discount, a few hundred dollars iirc, for the NOS prior year model, but that's it. I would say their website price is the going price for a new Moots.
Big sigh...the margin the shop gets isn't huge and unless you walk in and walk out with the frame in the box, there are more than a few expenses incurred by the shop that the customer doesn't pay for, like shipping.
I know Vecchio's isn't typical but with a $4899 RSL, you got a free, complete anatomic fitting by Joe Hughes, and a big discount on the build(free build if the group was bought there) if it's a complete bike...Plus lifetime standard tuneups.
Mosaic, like Eriksen, are getting an essentially double margin when compared to Moots, who sells thru a dealer network(altho Aaron does have a few dealers now). They wish to do that and the get resulting lower exposure, support and numbers. I don't understand why a Eriksen or Mosaic is so expensive, when sold direct, IMHO.
I mention this so as customers, some can understand a bit about these titanium(and others) frames, their pricing and their really quite different biz models.
I should also mention, I really cherished my relationship with Moots, they were great to me, great support and I sold a bunch of their frame(top 3 worldwide dealer 2 years in a row). I was not going to jeopardize my relationship with them by being a discounter. Besides, when you do that, you essentially lose money, as the margin is then less than the recognized minimum of about 35 points(margin, not markup-divide by .65) that a shop needs to break even..not make any profit and not incur any debt.
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velomonkey
03-20-2016, 07:00 AM
Mosaic, like Eriksen, are getting an essentially double margin when compared to Moots, who sells thru a dealer network(altho Aaron does have a few dealers now). They wish to do that and the get resulting lower exposure, support and numbers. I don't understand why a Eriksen or Mosaic is so expensive, when sold direct, IMHO.
Elder Spud you heard any musings on Moots going direct? Seems they might be giving this serious consideration.
The only thing I will say on Mosaic & Eriksen is that not sure their profit double - Moots has economies of scale those two don't and effectively all their bikes are custom so their COGS are going to be more expensive than Moots (COGS is Cost of Good Sold - it's your material plus labor cost to produce whatever you produce). Not by a ton, mind you - but I doubt their net profit per bike is double though I bet it's about the same.
I hope Moots is able to stay with dealers least of all so people can see a hand-built bike made of some type of metal - when I got my firefly a lot of the newbies knew absolutely nothing of ti.
oldpotatoe
03-20-2016, 08:00 AM
Elder Spud you heard any musings on Moots going direct? Seems they might be giving this serious consideration.
The only thing I will say on Mosaic & Eriksen is that not sure their profit double - Moots has economies of scale those two don't and effectively all their bikes are custom so their COGS are going to be more expensive than Moots (COGS is Cost of Good Sold - it's your material plus labor cost to produce whatever you produce). Not by a ton, mind you - but I doubt their net profit per bike is double though I bet it's about the same.
I hope Moots is able to stay with dealers least of all so people can see a hand-built bike made of some type of metal - when I got my firefly a lot of the newbies knew absolutely nothing of ti.
I've asked that very question and the answer is a emphatic, 'no'. If no dealer close, they will arrange via a close moots dealer and LBS.
I don't know the specific ins and outs of Kents operation but pretty sure his COGS may be a little higher but his margin is definitely higher, w/o a dealer network. But his choice, I think he's fine with this model as are other, small, direct to consumer, resellers.
buddybikes
03-20-2016, 08:13 AM
If you are price shopping and don't want to wait long, why not review 22 bicycles - https://22bicycles.com
much more reasonable price point and certainly great builders.
Satellite
03-20-2016, 09:58 AM
Moots are super cheap mine is 13 years old with countless miles and I wouldn't trade it for nothing. Once you hit 4900 miles it cost you $1.00 per mile once you hit 49,000 it cost you $0.10/mile. Unless you are the kind of guy that changes out his bike for the sake of change. Moots also makes so many stock sizes that unless you are a freak of nature you don't need custom, Moots will build custom if that's what you need. The only thing I wish I would of spec'ed was the longer headtube (no charge to bump up the headtube). I just kept the fork steer longer and use spacers. There is a reason Moots appear on the second hand markets with less frequency than other similar makers. Typically it seems the seller bought a used Moots just to get a Moots and the sizing is off so they are trying to get a different size (NOT always).
I demo rode an RSL and it is a sweet bike but Iam just as happy with my VaMoots SL. I also have a standard VaMoots with S&S Couplers it stays packed until I travel. They both ride the same if I close my eyes when riding I can't tell which machine Iam on. Moots has perfected the ride quality over the years. Moots doesn't jump on market fads for the sake of following the leader. Moots does one thing and they do it well Titanium.
Mikej
03-20-2016, 03:19 PM
[QUOTE=velomonkey;1939914]Elder Spud you heard any musings on Moots going direct? Seems they might be giving this serious consideration.
The only thing I will say on Mosaic & Eriksen is that not sure their profit double - Moots has economies of scale those two don't and effectively all their bikes are custom so their COGS are going to be more expensive than Moots (COGS is Cost of Good Sold - it's your material plus labor cost to produce whatever you produce). Not by a ton, mind you - but I doubt their net profit per bike is double though I bet it's about the same.
This is pretty true, add 800 to Moots for custom, as well as the fact that the RSL line is pretty pricey, plus they make 10x the frames Eriksen does. A full custom eriksen is 3500 with tapered Ht no fork. Kent may have lost interest in Moots and sold his shares, but Moots STILL owes him what / who they are today IMHO - And I really like Moots btw- there is just a point where ti builders thier size have to make the next step, which would seem to be a difficult order from past ti builders of that size-
pdmtong
03-20-2016, 03:27 PM
its been noted over and over that for stock sizing, moots is hard to beat on purchase and on resale. I'm happy with my stock 55 CR.
but once custom is needed, they quickly get priced way up past the point of their competitors. and by definition anyone ready to order a custom would also be warm to the 14+ other ti builders I saw at NAHBS.
fuzzalow
03-20-2016, 03:55 PM
its been noted over and over that for stock sizing, moots is hard to beat on purchase and on resale. I'm happy with my stock 55 CR.
but once custom is needed, they quickly get priced way up past the point of their competitors. and by definition anyone ready to order a custom would also be warm to the 14+ other ti builders I saw at NAHBS.
I agree with this which makes it an appropriate, if oversimplified, demarcation between Moots or Eriksen as a line between stock geo or custom. Which is a statement that is more unfair to Kent because he probably does stock geo as well as any maker. And in counterargument to Moots, they are not the first name that one would consider in going custom.
I tried to get a custom Moots RSL and I was willing to bear the cost for custom, which was mandatory for me. What Moots would not agree to do was an English BB substitute for whatever press fit BB was offered. I called Moots to ask and press the point. They still refused ("No English BB for you"). So that was the end of that. But no hard feelings because I understand Moots' desire to tack close to the wind in what they do best.
It is less a question of what is better and, as stated by pdmtong, an issue of specialty and application.
pdmtong
03-20-2016, 04:24 PM
tack close to the wind
As a guy who loves windsurfing more than cycling (and I do love cycling) that analogy left visions of launching and immediately leaning hard to get up towards the gate (aka. golden gate) good times in 30 knots!
Sadly, there was a moment where you could get an english BB with a RSL. But that moment is long gone. PF30 and tapered headtubes for all now.
Your note about Moots/custom is exactly why AC moved from Moots to Mosaic (and Baum prior). seeing kent's work for the second time at NAHBS a buyer would be hard pressed to lament not getting a Moots when they could be riding an eriksen.
I got my CR opportunistically and am very happy with it. But if I have $4k+ in a bag on a table, it's no slam dunk I just walk down and order the alligator given the plethora of choices for ti.
SuperColnago
02-10-2017, 12:20 PM
This has been a great thread just re-read, thanks for all the wisdom!
Still looking for a Moots RSL, 54 or 55, and I am seriously considering flying from Ottawa to Vecchios and buying there....get the right fit, etc...
Cheers mates! Thx for your help...
chiasticon
02-10-2017, 12:28 PM
here you go: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/132066572131?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
$700 under MSRP and you get the rest of the bike :banana:
pdmtong
02-10-2017, 12:53 PM
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SuperColnago
02-10-2017, 01:04 PM
:eek:WOWWWWWW
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Dromen
02-10-2017, 03:40 PM
only for RSLs at this point for good reasons.
http://moots.com/moots-3d-printed-flat-mount-dropout/
Satellite
02-10-2017, 06:51 PM
Wow that's incredibly sexy.
spinarelli
02-10-2017, 08:34 PM
that's a great price. too bad about the Canadian Dollar this year. By the time you get that back to Ottawa it will be close to $6000 canadian.
here you go: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/132066572131?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
$700 under MSRP and you get the rest of the bike :banana:
booglebug
02-10-2017, 09:25 PM
Was lucky enough to buy a Eriksen on eBay in my size 4yrs ago. Painted frame that clearly had not been rode hardly at all, custom for someone else. Had it bead blasted and repainted the fork,built up with Chorus. From the first ride I could tell this bike was really built for me, so much performance and still floating on air. Comparing this to a Ti Seven, Peg Duende, Lynskey Helix Pro, and custom Curtlo, yes all are top of the line great bikes which l love to ride. I buy and sell till I get something that just feels right, the Eriksen would be last to go on this list. Not saying Moots is not a great bike, but for less money why not get a custom Ti frame built from a top builder ?
oldpotatoe
02-11-2017, 05:18 AM
:eek:WOWWWWWW
Yup, Velotel needs one;)
Black Dog
02-11-2017, 08:02 AM
here you go: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/132066572131?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
$700 under MSRP and you get the rest of the bike :banana:
Considering what you are looking for, if I were you, I would buy this ASAP. This is a great deal, it even has a Moots stem and Seatpost!!!. You could sell the parts and wheels and walk away with a frame for less than $3500!
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UZ4AAOSwaB5Xm2yo/s-l1600.jpg
SuperColnago
02-11-2017, 08:11 AM
Considering what you are looking for, if I were you, I would buy this ASAP. This is a great deal, it even has a Moots stem and Seatpost!!!. You could sell the parts and wheels and walk away with a frame for less than $3500!
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UZ4AAOSwaB5Xm2yo/s-l1600.jpg
Looked at it more closely, maybe you are right, and it is a 2014. 1 1/8 HT is not a drawback is it?
Hilltopperny
02-11-2017, 08:30 AM
Considering what you are looking for, if I were you, I would buy this ASAP. This is a great deal, it even has a Moots stem and Seatpost!!!. You could sell the parts and wheels and walk away with a frame for less than $3500!
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UZ4AAOSwaB5Xm2yo/s-l1600.jpg
I'm with you. If this was for sale when I was looking I'd have snatched it up in a heartbeat. Great build and top level frame for less than a frameset. The moots stem and seat post add even more value to the deal. If I could sell one or two bikes to fund this I would:beer:
tuscanyswe
02-11-2017, 08:32 AM
Thats an older version with headtube for 11/8 forks and perhaps a threaded bb as well?
Not saying thats better or worse just an fyi.
happycampyer
02-11-2017, 08:50 AM
Looked at it more closely, maybe you are right, and it is a 2014. 1 1/8 HT is not a drawback is it?I personally would prefer the 1-1/8" steerer, but that is not the direction the the market is heading. I had one of the original RSLs (2010) and found it too stiff overall, and it had a 1-1/8" steerer (Enve fork) and slightly longer chainstays than stock. From the banter about "future-proofing" in another thread, some people sound as if we're headed to 1.5" straight steerers, ghua.
Thats an older version with headtube for 11/8 forks and perhaps a threaded bb as well?
Not saying thats better or worse just an fyi.The listing says PFBB30, which is standard. Threaded BBs were added as an option, but not sure how many are made. The tubes are so big that the PFBB30 shell makes more sense.
Black Dog
02-11-2017, 09:32 AM
Looked at it more closely, maybe you are right, and it is a 2014. 1 1/8 HT is not a drawback is it?
The 1-1/8 is not a draw back. Some people will tell you that a 44mm head tube will provide more torsional stiffness in the front end and they will even say that they can feel it. Blindfolded I doubt anyone could tell them apart. However, ask them for some data to back that up. ;)
Satellite
02-11-2017, 09:41 AM
Those are the reasons I bought a Meivici. 1 1/8" headset, standard threaded English bottom bracket and clamped seatpost.
I didn't want tappered, Bb30 and ISP crap. I wanted a nice lugged carbon frame that rides amazing.
My riding buddy has a 1" Steer tube and I can't keep up with him. I call it his areo bike.
SuperColnago
02-11-2017, 12:04 PM
Thanks BDog, notice you are in Canada too I'm in Ottawa...I'm trying to contact the seller on ebay to see if he will take a little less....
There is a 54 RSLwith DA gruppo here in Ottawa 'new' at a shop, but it has been clearly ridden as a demo, and they still want full retail for it, $9500 CAD plus tax, and its a 2014 as well...at a local GrandFondo this year saw the shop owner on it....
Cheers
The 1-1/8 is not a draw back. Some people will tell you that a 44mm head tube will provide more torsional stiffness in the front end and they will even say that they can feel it. Blindfolded I doubt anyone could tell them apart. However, ask them for some data to back that up. ;)
I have a 2015 RSL built up mostly with Dura Ace. Best bike I've ever owned.
Black Dog
02-11-2017, 03:33 PM
Thanks BDog, notice you are in Canada too I'm in Ottawa...I'm trying to contact the seller on ebay to see if he will take a little less....
There is a 54 RSLwith DA gruppo here in Ottawa 'new' at a shop, but it has been clearly ridden as a demo, and they still want full retail for it, $9500 CAD plus tax, and its a 2014 as well...at a local GrandFondo this year saw the shop owner on it....
Cheers
No problemo. I lived in Chelsea before I moved to my current local, my wife is from Ottawa and we still have a place in Chelsea that we rent out. Up there all the time to see friends and family. When you get the moots, we will have to go for a ride. Is the shop you mention happen to be The Cyclery on Bank St?
Dromen
02-11-2017, 04:59 PM
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/bik/5990525083.html
SuperColnago
02-11-2017, 05:11 PM
Strangely enough NOT Cyclery, its Rebec and Kroes at Bank and AltaVista, which is surprising to me. Yes would love to go for a ride this summer for sure! Currently on a Spectrum Ti, or vintage Colnago Tecnos and Merckx Corsa Extra.
A bit leery of an ebay transaction for that much feel safer with a Paceliner deal...
Cheers
No problemo. I lived in Chelsea before I moved to my current local, my wife is from Ottawa and we still have a place in Chelsea that we rent out. Up there all the time to see friends and family. When you get the moots, we will have to go for a ride. Is the shop you mention happen to be The Cyclery on Bank St?
SuperColnago
02-11-2017, 05:13 PM
Thanks Dromen, a bit too big for me, like the Campy on it though!
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/bik/5990525083.html
Black Dog
02-11-2017, 05:19 PM
Strangely enough NOT Cyclery, its Rebec and Kroes at Bank and AltaVista, which is surprising to me. Yes would love to go for a ride this summer for sure! Currently on a Spectrum Ti, or vintage Colnago Tecnos and Merckx Corsa Extra.
A bit leery of an ebay transaction for that much feel safer with a Paceliner deal...
Cheers
Pay with PayPal and you are covered through them and eBay. Lots of communication with seller etc. You will be fine.
I will let you know next time I am in your neck of the woods, I always bring a bike. If you are doing the Rideau Lakes ride I will probably see you there.
SuperColnago
02-11-2017, 06:26 PM
OK Good, I'll sign up for Rideau Lakes, done it 3x,
Cheers sbobyn@rogers.com
I have contacted seller as ebay wont let me bid as a Canadian, I have US shipping option though...
Pay with PayPal and you are covered through them and eBay. Lots of communication with seller etc. You will be fine.
I will let you know next time I am in your neck of the woods, I always bring a bike. If you are doing the Rideau Lakes ride I will probably see you there.
Black Dog
02-12-2017, 08:27 AM
OK Good, I'll sign up for Rideau Lakes, done it 3x,
Cheers sbobyn@rogers.com
I have contacted seller as ebay wont let me bid as a Canadian, I have US shipping option though...
Thanks. Will drop you a line. Good luck with the moots and there are always US mailbox services at most US border towns. I use one all t he time.
spinarelli
02-12-2017, 07:52 PM
This is just wrong. Why would anybody buy from him?
it has been clearly ridden as a demo, and they still want full retail for it
SuperColnago
02-12-2017, 09:31 PM
Decent store, don't want to bash them, No one here stocks MOOTS so very rare to even see one in a store here, so I guess they want the max retail for it...as a result it will be Paceline or ebay, for me, close to a deal on the 54 on ebay now.
Cheers
This is just wrong. Why would anybody buy from him?
it has been clearly ridden as a demo, and they still want full retail for it
booglebug
02-12-2017, 09:39 PM
This is just wrong. Why would anybody buy from him?
it has been clearly ridden as a demo, and they still want full retail for it
Agree, bought a demo Seven Ti in the fall for $1900 with carbon fork, half price.
Not a scratch but still a used bike.
TEMPLE
02-13-2017, 09:39 AM
Decent store, don't want to bash them, No one here stocks MOOTS so very rare to even see one in a store here, so I guess they want the max retail for it...as a result it will be Paceline or ebay, for me, close to a deal on the 54 on ebay now.
Cheers
That's very polite of you, but that store is treating you like a walking wallet and you should take your money somewhere else. A demo bike is a used bike and it should be discounted. If you pay for a new bike, you should get a new bike. If the shop let someone take their Moots for a ride, that's their financial problem. I won't even buy a showroom floor bike that some chunky goofball has tried to bunny hop in the parking lot, let alone ridden in any kind of serious way.
So, yeah, that shop not discounting the Moots for you is just so Ottawa (I lived there, so I am allowed to make fun of the place). At the very least, if your inner martyr still wants you to support that particular bike shop, have them order a brand new 2017 Moots for you at the new Moots price you were going to pay anyhow. They can keep their old demo bike.
By the way, I am all for supporting local bike shops. I shop exclusively at mine, and don't buy anything online. They treat me extremely well, price match obsessively, and I am happy they are there when I break stuff or need something.
SuperColnago
02-13-2017, 12:59 PM
I hear you! Good point I should call their bluff and order a new one, and see if they devalue their in-stock 'new-demo 2015' model whilst doing so!
Cheers
[QUOTE=TEMPLE;2125290]
So, yeah, that shop not discounting the Moots for you is just so Ottawa (I lived there, so I am allowed to make fun of the place). At the very least, if your inner martyr still wants you to support that particular bike shop, have them order a brand new 2017 Moots for you at the new Moots price you were going to pay anyhow. They can keep their old demo bike.
QUOTE]
booglebug
02-13-2017, 02:54 PM
If you're paying new price, it should be a new frame with warranty.
SuperColnago
02-15-2017, 09:01 AM
If you're paying new price, it should be a new frame with warranty.
Agree, looking elsewhere for the Moots RSL 54, considering the ebay one now....
SuperColnago
02-15-2017, 09:15 AM
Hey Beet thanks for the kind words, may have to change my name....going for the Moots RSL....want to see what all the fuss is about....
SuperCuulnago, here's the deal:
If you buy a new Moots, pay new Moots pricing. It won't be dirt cheap and it won't be walk-funny overpriced. As some might say, the price is the price. But you'll get the full weight of a great organization behind you. That alone is worth a few grand.
Now, you have an interesting user name, which I kind of dig. Someone suggested a C60. That's a qoo bika. Someone also misinformed you that it's half the price of an RSL. Well, by my calculations, a direct from Europe C60 wil cost you $3800 USD for the frameset, $400 for customs and then a priceless amount of worry if that chet breaks.
Just buy that RSL and stop being dense. Love you man.
TEMPLE
02-15-2017, 09:16 AM
Agree, looking elsewhere for the Moots RSL 54, considering the ebay one now....
Will you get a warranty for the Ebay Moots? Personally, I'd want a warranty for a bike that pricey. But, I seem prone to breaking frames (never a titanium one, though). I haven't yet seen a warranty that will transfer between owners, but I haven't ever looked at Moots warranty. Why not go into R&K and call their bluff and say you want to order a new RSL? It might make them realize they are trying to sell you a piece of cake with a bite out of it for full price. Is there a Moots dealer in Montreal? Would it be a viable option if there is?
SuperColnago
02-15-2017, 09:20 AM
R&K happy to order me a new one, quoting 2 - 3 month wait....lol, I called Moots and 54s are in stock. Moving on, checking Montreal for Moots, less than 2 hrs away, but the French don't really go for Moots....they love Euro...
Will you get a warranty for the Ebay Moots? Personally, I'd want a warranty for a bike that pricey. But, I seem prone to breaking frames (never a titanium one, though). I haven't yet seen a warranty that will transfer between owners, but I haven't ever looked at Moots warranty. Why not go into R&K and call their bluff and say you want to order a new RSL? It might make them realize they are trying to sell you a piece of cake with a bite out of it for full price. Is there a Moots dealer in Montreal? Would it be a viable option if there is?
Jcgill
02-15-2017, 08:47 PM
FWIW, I was fitted and ordered a 55cm Moots Vamoots CR stock size/mechanical routing last May at a local moots dealer....
Once i committed to place the order the salesman called his moots rep and found out they had 2 55cm vamoots cr's that were currently tubesets being cut and mitered. They quoted 5 weeks until delivery and they met that quote almost to the very day.
Great experience overall, I love my moots, definitely my favorite bike in my quiver.
SuperColnago
02-15-2017, 08:55 PM
Thanks for that, good to know.
Cheers
FWIW, I was fitted and ordered a 55cm Moots Vamoots CR stock size/mechanical routing last May at a local moots dealer....
Once i committed to place the order the salesman called his moots rep and found out they had 2 55cm vamoots cr's that were currently tubesets being cut and mitered. They quoted 5 weeks until delivery and they met that quote almost to the very day.
Great experience overall, I love my moots, definitely my favorite bike in my quiver.
SuperColnago
02-15-2017, 09:12 PM
Many thanks to all for your wisdom, I bought (at least I paid for it) the ebay (yikes) MOOTS RSL 54. Hopefully it will arrive, and be as described. Need to see what all the fuss is about, it will have to be good to surpass my Spectrum Ti...!
Have had good dialogue with seller, I'll be optimistic, (have no choice!).
Thanks again for all your help!
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r116/GoHabs1/moots1_zpsrhmi8ns1.jpg
You bought the bike I'd been eyeing for the past 2 months or so. And even though I am only 3 hrs drive from Steamboat, I never did pull the trigger.
I think it is a great bike and I have a feeling you got a nice deal on a RSL replete with all the ti bits (stem, seat post) etc. And I hope you really enjoy the bike!
Please let us know how it compares to your Spectrum.
Many thanks to all for your wisdom, I bought (at least I paid for it) the ebay (yikes) MOOTS RSL 54. Hopefully it will arrive, and be as described. Need to see what all the fuss is about, it will have to be good to surpass my Spectrum Ti...!
Have had good dialogue with seller, I'll be optimistic, (have no choice!).
Thanks again for all your help!
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r116/GoHabs1/moots1_zpsrhmi8ns1.jpg
SuperColnago
02-15-2017, 09:40 PM
Hey thanks. The Ti bits do add more value and helped sway me to bite the bullet! Anxious to do the ride tests..
You bought the bike I'd been eyeing for the past 2 months or so. And even though I am only 3 hrs drive from Steamboat, I never did pull the trigger.
I think it is a great bike and I have a feeling you got a nice deal on a RSL replete with all the ti bits (stem, seat post) etc. And I hope you really enjoy the bike!
Please let us know how it compares to your Spectrum.
SuperColnago
02-15-2017, 09:47 PM
here you go: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/132066572131?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
$700 under MSRP and you get the rest of the bike :banana:
A shout out to chiasticon for the lead thanks! I got it!
Hilltopperny
02-16-2017, 05:14 AM
Smart decision. This was a good buy compared to a brand new frame and I doubt you'll end up regretting it if this is what you were after:beer:
spinarelli
02-16-2017, 07:39 AM
That was a good price. Saved you a few thousand dollars vs buying that Demo RSL for retail price.
just curious, how is he shipping the bike to canada?
[QUOTE=SuperColnago;2126930]Many thanks to all for your wisdom, I bought (at least I paid for it) the ebay (yikes) MOOTS RSL 54. Hopefully it will arrive, and be as described. Need to see what all the fuss is about, it will have to be good to surpass my Spectrum Ti...!
Have had good dialogue with seller, I'll be optimistic, (have no choice!).
Thanks again for all your help!
Satellite
02-16-2017, 09:37 AM
My guess is this was one of the Moots Factory guys selling his bike. Every few years the employees get a free frame of there choice one of the fringe benefits. Why Not get the best frame Moots has to offer. I would either get the RSL or one of the super sweet 29er Full Squish Mountain Bikes.
Either way you scored a very good deal on a fantastic machine. I demo rode the RSL when I was in Boston on a business trip and Moots was doing a traveling road demo. It was funny because I live in Colorado too. The RSL is stiff yet compliant in all the right places. Iam still just too fond of my VaMoots SL no reason to abandon it for the latest and greatest. I am sure you will love it.
Oh and the extra Moots bits really complete the package a must have for that frame. Now you need the Mr.Moots $500 Sterling Silver Headtube Badge.
sw3759
02-16-2017, 12:21 PM
that was my guess too that it was a Moots employee,the photos sure look they were shot behind the Moots factory in Steamboat.
congrats on the new RSL.i have 2015 RSL 54 as well.super awesome bikes.i bet you'll be really happy on it but it may less tire clearance than your spectrum.rear triangle is pretty tight
SuperColnago
02-16-2017, 01:00 PM
I live less than an hour from border - so using Kinek as a shipping/delivery box, it will be shipped to Ogdensburg, NY, I will then drive down and pick it up, and pay big customs/tax of 10-14% to bring it back (I would have paid 14% sales tax locally on double the price).
Bike is located fairly close to Moots factory.......that's all he would say. Glad to hear from forumites it is still a decent price for what I am getting!
Happy Days, will let you know when I get it!
Cheers, thanks for all your help mates!
That was a good price. Saved you a few thousand dollars vs buying that Demo RSL for retail price.
just curious, how is he shipping the bike to canada?
[QUOTE=SuperColnago;2126930]Many thanks to all for your wisdom, I bought (at least I paid for it) the ebay (yikes) MOOTS RSL 54. Hopefully it will arrive, and be as described. Need to see what all the fuss is about, it will have to be good to surpass my Spectrum Ti...!
Have had good dialogue with seller, I'll be optimistic, (have no choice!).
Thanks again for all your help!
Satellite
02-16-2017, 01:08 PM
Bike is located fairly close to Moots factory.......that's all he would say. Glad to hear from forumites it is still a decent price for what I am getting!
That's funny Steamboat is pretty small every bike in Steamboat is fairly close to Moots Factory. Riding a Moots in Steamboat is like driving a Chevy in Detroit. Yet people still say that's a nice bike.
SuperColnago
02-25-2017, 09:34 PM
Bike arrived no drama, no shipping damage etc, seems to be in good shape....need 2 weeks of thaw before I can ride Spectrum vs Moots! Came in a Moots box=nice...dont know about Shimano gruppo, first time on DuraAce since 1991 for me... where is the thumb shifter!!!
DA Gruppo likely for sale...
Cheers and thaks to forumites for great advice, stay upright to all!
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r116/GoHabs1/IMG_20170225_185714_zpszco4hues.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r116/GoHabs1/IMG_20170225_213822_zps8lj5kodm.jpg
Satellite
02-25-2017, 10:28 PM
Geez if I would of known you didn't want the groupset I would of worked something out before you had the bike shipped to Canada. :crap:
I am sure you will love the Moots interested in the groupo if you decide to sell.
Jcgill
02-25-2017, 10:30 PM
Great looking Moots! You will love the ride!
Black Dog
02-25-2017, 11:12 PM
Fantastic. Congratulations. :banana:
roguedog
02-25-2017, 11:14 PM
looks sweet. do have to say moots are handsome bikes
pdmtong
02-26-2017, 08:53 AM
The box is actually worth keeping if you have the space since it allows the frame to float inside the box.
Congratulations on a nice bike! I have a CR - wanted a rsl but no budget
Tickdoc
02-26-2017, 09:05 AM
Spectacular looking bike!
Hilltopperny
02-26-2017, 09:12 AM
:hello: Very nice. I'd give the dura ace a try for a little while before building it up with campy. You may find that you actually like it:D
Satellite
02-26-2017, 09:32 AM
:hello: Very nice. I'd give the dura ace a try for a little while before building it up with campy. You may find that you actually like it:D
Worst advice ever! Dura Ace will cause your Moots to explode the best advice is to pack that crap up and send it to my address for proper disposal!
...dont know about Shimano gruppo, first time on DuraAce since 1991 for me... where is the thumb shifter!!!
Here's how a RSL is "supposed" to look, decked out with current Campy gruppo!
Trust you are loving the ride?!
SuperColnago
02-26-2017, 10:07 PM
Perfect....with Campy looks great!
First ride today still winter here so temp 0C (32F) but roads were fairly dry. Scary fast for me!> especially with icy roads! Test ride before going out on the Moots!:D
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r116/GoHabs1/FB_IMG_1482686943607_zpssuoxnnlj.jpg
Here's how a RSL is "supposed" to look, decked out with current Campy gruppo!
Trust you are loving the ride?!
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