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catulle
06-10-2006, 08:16 PM
I just read that Basso's salary is 1.8 million Euros a year. Of course, there are advertising contracts and so on but when compared to the salaries of soccer or baseball or basketball players cyclists make peanuts. Your enlightened views on this matter kindly, please, atmo.
saab2000
06-10-2006, 08:22 PM
The top 5% make 95% of the money.
stevep
06-10-2006, 08:29 PM
the pro tour minimum wage is 30k euros.
a lot of guys make that. tour contenders and classis specialists...the guys you read about can make a lot more...prices may vary.
it is nothing like the major leagues... bet on that.
saab2000
06-10-2006, 08:35 PM
Appearance money is where it's at. But that trails off rapidly. Top 10 'names' get paid maybe. Cycling is like boxing. ruthless and ugly when it comes to money. Love the sport for the sport and do it cuz you love it, but very few will actually make any $$$ doing it. I smirk when I hear the local cat IIs saying that this is how they make a living. right.
As SteveP says, this ain't the major leagues and never will be. The Lance 'trickle down effect' is tiny.
catulle
06-10-2006, 08:44 PM
Cycling is like boxing.
Sadly so true.
swoop
06-10-2006, 09:38 PM
the year cunego won the giro is salary was around 30k. atmo
The economic structures of traditional sporting events mentioned differ enormously from those of cycling. The team sports are supported by paying spectators and television and radio networks selling advertising, along with concessions and sales opportunities owned by teams and leagues. They are far more certain and larger in relation to the number of players than those of cycling in which indirect advertising (ownership of a team, such as Discovery Channel) plays a far greater role as do fees paid by cities and towns in order to bring business, therefore tax revenues, to governmental entities for the right to have a race, or a part of one, centered there. Incidentally, many would say that the salaries of soccer, baseball and basketball players are distorted in the first place, so any comparison based upon them is suspect. I would guess that my friend fly and I would both agree that the market is the market, and if one doesn't want to race bicycles he doesn't have to.
keno
Fat Robert
06-10-2006, 10:15 PM
the vast majority of pro cyclists don't make sheeyat...the ugly part is the guy making 30,000 euro for riding 30,000 miles a year is making about twice what he would have in the 80s...my mp school district pays my wife more per mile to commute between high schools
mp
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US pros make less than sheeyat but many are cool bros with soul (to use the fixed idiom)
Dekonick
06-10-2006, 11:29 PM
It is sad that a talent can make 15M a year throwing a ball for a few months. A cyclist has to work his arse off - (not that baseball players don't work - but I doubt they work anywhere as hard as the typical pro in the peleton)
Avispa
06-10-2006, 11:52 PM
The top 5% make 95% of the money.
Sounds like most of today's American corporations, no? Some of these CEO salaries are totally out of control!!!
learlove
06-11-2006, 01:34 AM
US domestic guys make even less. Get the videos PRO and THE HARD ROAD. IMHO these 2 videos are up there with that other must have: SUNDAY IN HELL
http://www.thehardroad.com/
A few years ago first year US domestic pros were making 10,000 to 12,000/year.
I can identify, I've been a flight instructor, charter pilot and cummuter pilot. My first year out of college flying a military contract for the navy paid 1000/month, no benifits. My second job flying paid 18,000/year and when I left that job I was making 25,000/year flying a pistion twin. Once a made it to the airlines, a cummuter airline, I finally started making over 30,000/year. Since then I've seen good pay (75, 000/yr) as a turboprop Captain but due to my company going ch13 I was downgraded took 2 pay cuts, changed planes, had thoes planes sold out from under me and forced to fly for a contract carrier where I lost all my senority and am now waiting recall back to the major. However once I make it back to the major I will never see the "big bucks" associated with a pre 911 airline pilot. - guess its a "hard road" all around. what did someone say about doing it for the love?
stevep
06-11-2006, 06:33 AM
http://www.thehardroad.com/
A few years ago first year US domestic pros were making 10,000 to 12,000/year.
?
now they are making less... the market is not that great for a lot of "pros"
hard way to make a living...if even possible...
coylifut
06-11-2006, 08:18 AM
A few years ago first year US domestic pros were making 10,000 to 12,000/year.
at that rate can you really call em pros. Aren't they more like elite amateurs with an ok stipend.
flydhest
06-11-2006, 08:29 AM
of course, keno and I agree. More imortantly, however, how much would you give up to get to ride your bike full time? I would not give up 1/2 my salary, but I don't know the alternatives bike racers have. If I had a reasonable chance of being very, very good, and was in my early 20s, I'd definitely ride full time for $20K/year instead of earning $35K/year doing some other entry-level job. If it didn't pan out, I'd either go to college or if I already had, I'd do the career ladder thing. A few years of giving up $10-20K/year to live your dream?!?!?! Sounds like it's worth it to me.
Strikes me that lots of people would feel this way, hence the low salaries, pro directors know they can find another 20 year old Cat 1 if the guy on the team doesn't work for the money.
How many english majors would be happy to be able to make $30K/year writing novels? Instead, many of them are making less working in a book shop because they love literature and are staying up until 3:00 a.m. to follow their passion. How many musicians would love to be able to pull down $30k/year instead of gigging 4 nights/week while holding down a full-time job? How many painters would line up to be able to pull down $30k/year to do their art? Shino, what if you could throw pots full time for $30k/year, wouldn't you do that for a couple years to see where it led?
Like I said, if I was young and had a shot at the brass ring, I'd love to be able to live on the money someone paid me to live my dream.
Ti Designs
06-11-2006, 10:05 AM
compared to the salaries of soccer or baseball or basketball players cyclists make peanuts.
If you go by the numbers, one pro baseball player is worth about 200 school teachers - I don't get that...
catulle
06-11-2006, 10:10 AM
If you go by the numbers, one pro baseball player is worth about 200 school teachers - I don't get that...
I don't get it either. Actually, if it were up to me the school teacher would be making 20 times more than the baseball player, atmo.
Fat Robert
06-11-2006, 11:05 AM
If you go by the numbers, one pro baseball player is worth about 200 school teachers - I don't get that...
you gotta keep us education types lean and mean...the legions declined when they were paid better....
what am I saying?
well...also, knowledge is a commodity like any other. those who produce the commodity are well rewarded by the standards of the knowledge market, because they are a scarce quantity (professors doing reserach at elite universities). the primary school teacher, on the other hand, is seen as a distributor of knowledge, easily replaceable by one identically trained in the university by the "producers." of course, some professors are hacks and some primary teachers are geniuses...so the model itself is wack...but that's the rationale.
also, the simple fact is our culture values an illiterate who can hit a major-league curveball more than it does a pointy headed exegete who can show you how Oscar Wilde's aestheticism is as rooted in Kantian rationality as the Positivism that it attempts to rebel from, but, you know, capitalism is all about the exchange of abstract equivalancies, so in the end you might as well get yourself a good bike and be done with it.
yeah.
catulle
06-11-2006, 11:15 AM
you gotta keep us education types lean and mean...the legions declined when they were paid better....
what am I saying?
Your sugar levels are low. The neo-cortex is slipping. You say that it is better for teachers to be hungry and the next thing you know is Cheney trying to pass legislation rationing food for teachers for the sake of freedom and liberty, atmo.
CNY rider
06-11-2006, 11:16 AM
I don't get it either. Actually, if it were up to me the school teacher would be making 20 times more than the baseball player, atmo.
I don't get how you guys "don't get it." Each of us, as an individual member of the larger society, has made this decision. 60,000 fans on an average Sunday have decided that they want to go to a ballgame, and they are willing to pay X dollars for tickets plus extra money for food, parking etc. Millions more will watch that game on TV and pay their cable bill, plus take in the advertising that comes with the telecast.
We, as a society, have also decided what we think teachers are worth. Everybody says they're worth more than they're paid. Fine. If you really believe that, then go to your local school board meeting and demand that the teachers get raises. Hell, go ahead and double their salaries if you want. As soon as the community decides they're willing to pay the taxes necessary to give the teachers those raises, you'll be able to up their pay as high as you like. Until then, they'll be paid what the larger community feels they are worth.
catulle
06-11-2006, 11:18 AM
I don't get how you guys "don't get it." Each of us, as an individual member of the larger society, has made this decision. 60,000 fans on an average Sunday have decided that they want to go to a ballgame, and they are willing to pay X dollars for tickets plus extra money for food, parking etc. Millions more will watch that game on TV and pay their cable bill, plus take in the advertising that comes with the telecast.
We, as a society, have also decided what we think teachers are worth. Everybody says they're worth more than they're paid. Fine. If you really believe that, then go to your local school board meeting and demand that the teachers get raises. Hell, go ahead and double their salaries if you want. As soon as the community decides they're willing to pay the taxes necessary to give the teachers those raises, you'll be able to up their pay as high as you like. Until then, they'll be paid what the larger community feels they are worth.
Ok.
Fat Robert
06-11-2006, 11:21 AM
Your sugar levels are low. The neo-cortex is slipping. You say that it is better for teachers to be hungry and the next thing you know Cheney will try to pass legislation rationing food for teachers for the sake of freedom and liberty, atmo.
my seatpost is slipping
my neo-cortex is effed up from snorting lines of dried, crystalized enervit gel
and cheney couldn't pull that diocletian sheeyat if he tried
but all teachers should be trained from a young age to enter our noble profession, by sleeping naked out of doors, training in the manly arts, a spartan diet, and a strict regime of study and discipline. we'd be poet-philosopher-warriors in the truest sense, and the kids, parents, and school board would be too scared to mess with us.
catulle
06-11-2006, 11:44 AM
but all teachers should be trained from a young age to enter our noble profession, by sleeping naked out of doors, training in the manly arts, a spartan diet, and a strict regime of study and discipline. we'd be poet-philosopher-warriors in the truest sense, and the kids, parents, and school board would be too scared to mess with us.
Diogenes kicks Heracletus' butt any day of the week, atmo. We want Alex Rodriguez salaries for teachers, now....!! :banana:
Like I said, if I was young and ...
You ARE young!!!
Avispa
06-11-2006, 12:49 PM
We, as a society, have also decided what we think teachers are worth. Everybody says they're worth more than they're paid. Fine. If you really believe that, then go to your local school board meeting and demand that the teachers get raises. Hell, go ahead and double their salaries if you want. As soon as the community decides they're willing to pay the taxes necessary to give the teachers those raises, you'll be able to up their pay as high as you like. Until then, they'll be paid what the larger community feels they are worth.
This reminds me of what happened to me the other day.... I went to pick up my wife at the airport. A short 9 mile drive from home! I left at 3:30 PM to pick her up and it took me 1.5 hours!!! I never have to commute as I work very close to work, neither does she.
But I could not see why all these poor souls that do this on a daily basis still do it as obedient sheep.... C'mon people, can you wake up and vote for someone that would improve the roads and make things better? Nah.... we don't have time, we really don't care... go figure!
flydhest
06-12-2006, 09:12 AM
You ARE young!!!
aww, shux
One of the cycling mags had a brief piece a while back on the top 20 worst things about being a pro bike racer. I don't recall the exact wording but the general idea of two of them were:
14. Suffering like a dog for a salary that a call center worker would turn down.
13. Knowing that there are thousands of people racing for nothing more than team kit that would take your place in a second.
brianmcg321
06-13-2006, 06:34 AM
I don't get it either. Actually, if it were up to me the school teacher would be making 20 times more than the baseball player, atmo.
I doubt you can fill a stadium with 100,000 people paying an average of $50 a ticket to watch a school teacher teach.
Sandy
06-13-2006, 06:50 AM
If you go by the numbers, one pro baseball player is worth about 200 school teachers - I don't get that...
As they say, best post of the day, the month, and probably the year.
Sandy
flydhest
06-13-2006, 07:40 AM
As they say, best post of the day, the month, and probably the year.
Sandy
I disagree and agree with the person who said they didn't get what Ti doesn't get. How many of us on this board have actively campaigned for a candidate that promised to raise taxes to pay for teachers' salaries?
We get the government we settle for.
rePhil
06-13-2006, 08:07 AM
I work in a special need school. We just had a referendum pass that will increase taxes. One of the major issues is that it will increase teachers starting pay.
Totally out of character I actually spoke with people an encouraged them to vote for it.
flydhest
06-13-2006, 10:07 AM
Picshooter,
Good for you guys. It is that type of mentality that will slowly make some improvements.
however, what percentage of those who wouldn't vote for higher taxes in order to raise teachers' salaries would, do you think, be called "parents"? I would guess it is uncomfortably high and indicative of how education is actually valued in our society.
keno
rePhil
06-13-2006, 01:07 PM
I think it can be related to "Not in my back yard". We have many retirees who have raised families and no longer need or care about the schools. because their families don't live here.
I think it's a selfish way to look at the situation, but thats just my opinion.
I was referring to those who have children in school but don't want to pay any more taxes, possibly because many of those who "teach" their children do so in name only.
It is nice to idealize the notion of the worth of teachers, but my own experience is that most of mine were overpaid, regardless of what they were paid (even in college and law school). Moreover, the power of the teachers unions, and their ability to keep the evaluation of the performance of their members at bay, is a further problem. My wife was a high school English teacher when I first met her. She quit teaching in the school system in large part because the so-called teachers in the grades below the one she taught sent kids to the next grade merely to be rid of them, having taught them little, if anything. My wife now teaches executives in a large investment bank how to be executives and leaders. Her students determine what she is paid and can fire her if she doesn't teach well. If teachers were generally at that kind of risk, I wonder what might happen.
keno
flydhest
06-13-2006, 01:39 PM
Picshooter,
the NIMBY mindset relative to education is a hard one for me (I'm not saying you're wrong, I think the folk you are characterizing are the ones I disagree with) because I reckon if I could make sure the kids in DC had a good education and opportunities, they'd be less likely to break into my house. Good education benefits people who don't have kids. As it is, my kid is a dog that is vicious to anyone on the front porch, so that'll do for now.
rePhil
06-13-2006, 02:17 PM
I should have qualified my words. We live in an area that has seen real estate prices skyrocket. Not sure about median prices but 200 gets you a shack. The county is having a problem recruiting and keeping teachers because they just can't afford to live here.
I also want to say for the record I am a teaching assistant. I retired from another career (can you guess from my name?) My "specialty" is basically behaviour.My situation is unique as to the clientele we have. Autistic, Downs on one side and street thugs on the other side of the school.
I feel I earn my pay when a kid(?) who is 6'2 and 200 plus says they don't want to do something and threatens violence. Education starts at home, and problem is many kids don't have one.
Keno, I don't know the figures but I think most parents voted for it. It was divided against the retirees on a fixed income. And yes I work with teachers I feel don't have a clue and don't belong in a classroom, as well as some real good ones.
Avispa
06-14-2006, 12:22 AM
...How many of us on this board have actively campaigned for a candidate that promised to raise taxes to pay for teachers' salaries?
We get the government we settle for.
I think a better question is: Which candidate ever ran saying he/she WILL raise taxes? For any reason? They are all hypocrits, IMO! They won't dare to say something like that before they get elected....
By the way, I did not settled for the current administration, if that is what ye mean.... But I gather I still have to swallow it!
oracle
06-14-2006, 02:27 AM
my seatpost is slipping
my neo-cortex is effed up from snorting lines of dried, crystalized enervit gel
and cheney couldn't pull that diocletian sheeyat if he tried
but all teachers should be trained from a young age to enter our noble profession, by sleeping naked out of doors, training in the manly arts, a spartan diet, and a strict regime of study and discipline. we'd be poet-philosopher-warriors in the truest sense, and the kids, parents, and school board would be too scared to mess with us.
you are righter than you know, paideia-boy.
consider visiting the attic......
flydhest
06-14-2006, 08:27 AM
I think a better question is: Which candidate ever ran saying he/she WILL raise taxes? For any reason? They are all hypocrits, IMO! They won't dare to say something like that before they get elected....
By the way, I did not settled for the current administration.... But I gather I still have swallow it!
While they may be hypocrites, that is beside the point. The reason they won't say something like that before the election is because of the election, that is to say, the voters will vote them out. It is the fault of the electorate; the electorate creates the politicians.
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I think a better question is: Which candidate ever ran saying he/she WILL raise taxes? For any reason? They are all hypocrits, IMO! They won't dare to say something like that before they get elected....
Mondale
Avispa
06-14-2006, 10:30 AM
While they may be hypocrites, that is beside the point. The reason they won't say something like that before the election is because of the election, that is to say, the voters will vote them out. It is the fault of the electorate; the electorate creates the politicians.
Nope... Politicians create the electorate! ;) Voters, at least the smart ones, know for sure when taxes will be raised or lowered. For instance, you can bet that the next administration WILL have to raise taxes no matter what, and especially, if they end up being non-republicans. And what can the average citizen do? Nothing. Politicians do not want to change the current system. They never will...
Avispa
06-14-2006, 10:31 AM
Mondale
AND how far did that one go.... :eek:
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