Pasela vs. Pasela TG vs. Pasela TG+ vs. Pasela PT

[azrider]

Did search and while I found a lot of info on Panaracer Pasela(s), didn't find answer I was looking for.

Can anyone speak to difference between your standard Panaracer Pasela which has red/yellow label
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/310tep7dgdL.jpg

and the Pasela PT with blue/white label ?

http://www.bikeman.com/store/graphics/00000001/Alt-imageB/TR/TR2243-01B.jpg

Is the PT (Protection Technology) worth the extra $$$? Thanks for anyone who may be in the know.

[eBAUMANN]

Would the yellow logo have anything to do with it being a 26" tire?

This is the one you want (https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/panaracer-pasela-pt-road-tire?v=7003200&adl=1&utm_campaign=products&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&gclid=COmwjM2Bj8sCFUQehgodjhQFCA) ;)

[pavel]

I think PT is simply their newest iteration of TG (tour guard.)
I cant speak to longevity in terms of standard vs the TG/PT as I've only used the TG and PT over the years, but they are pretty durable and well riding tires.


In a 32mm these tires ride really well, in 28mm they're kind of sucky. I've never experienced such a drastic change in the ride quality with regard to size in any other tire but YMMV.

[donevwil]

... In a 32mm these tires ride really well, in 28mm they're kind of sucky. I've never experiences such a drastic change in the ride quality with regard to size in any other tire but YMMV.

Funny you mention this because I had the same experience with standard Paselas. Also the opposite with Conti Gatorskins, 28s road well and 32s were terrible.

[azrider]

Would the yellow logo have anything to do with it being a 26" tire?

Ha....nice catch. But no.

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/images/trapasela.jpg

Yeah I think you're right as to which ones I should go with.

I was just hoping someone could chime in and convince me not to spend the extra $15 or so per tire and save it for other bike crap to waste it on :)

[donevwil]

Ha....nice catch. But no.

Yeah I think you're right as to which ones I should go with.

I was just hoping someone could chime in and convince me not to spend the extra $15 or so per tire and save it for other bike crap to waste it on :)

In my experience with other tires (not Paselas) pretty much any puncture protection layer has a negative impact on ride quality. For commuting or touring so be it, durability and/or puncture resistance trump ride quality for many people. That said my standard Pasela 32s ride very nice, not Grand Bois or Compass nice, but definitely nicer than most other 32s I've tried and they have proven to be quite durable. Definitely one of the best bangs for your tire buck out there.

[azrider]

In my experience with other tires (not Paselas) pretty much any puncture protection layer has a negative impact on ride quality. For commuting or touring so be it, durability and/or puncture resistance trump ride quality for many people. That said my standard Pasela 32s ride very nice, not Grand Bois or Compass nice, but definitely nicer than most other 32s I've tried and they have proven to be quite durable. Definitely one of the best bangs for your tire buck out there.

Cool.....good info. I know Grand Bois are made by Panaracer so i was curious if there was a difference in them compared to standard Pasela.

Do your 32's measure out at a normal 32 width? I've found on the inter'webs' stories of Panaracer tires measuring almost a full sizer smaller than their advertised width: 35 are more 32's, 32's are more 30.....and so on

[eBAUMANN]

Ive commuted daily (boston city streets) on paselas for the past....4 years, 32c, ive only flatted once due to a large shard of metal spearing the tire.

Great tires, highly highly recommend em.

[fiamme red]

As far as I know, standard Paselas have a wire bead and no puncture-protection belt under the tread; the Tour Guard have a folding Kevlar bead and an Aramid belt under the tread.

Nashbar used to have the standard Paselas on sale for $12-$15, so for years they were the tires that I put most miles on.

[azrider]

Ive commuted daily (boston city streets) on paselas for the past....4 years, 32c, ive only flatted once due to a large shard of metal spearing the tire.

Great tires, highly highly recommend em.

Just so "I AM" clear.....you recommend the Pasela PT correct? Not the Standard, or the TourGuard, or TourGuard+

I'm so very much trying not to be annoying but I'm finding it difficult.......

[Ernesto]

This has been my experience. I've had a set of 32c regular Paselas and only flatted once in 4 years from a metal wire. Don't see any need to try the TG or other protected type.

They ride really nice and are really cheap, too!


Ive commuted daily (boston city streets) on paselas for the past....4 years, 32c, ive only flatted once due to a large shard of metal spearing the tire.

Great tires, highly highly recommend em.

[azrider]

As far as I know, standard Paselas have a wire bead and no puncture-protection belt under the tread; the Tour Guard have a folding Kevlar bead and an Aramid belt under the tread.

Nashbar used to have the standard Paselas on sale for $12-$15, so for years they were the tires that I put most miles on.

The Panaracer PT comes with wire bead option also.......jus throwin it out there

Wow that's good price for a tire that you got so many miles out of. It's still relatively cheap, or I should say, the cheapest out of all the models

Found these on Amazon, but they say they come with a BROWN sidewall.....not to make this even more confusing/annoying :confused::(:o but is there difference between Brown/Gum/Tan/Amber ???

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010VZGKC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A2TE9IQP68MWQU

[donevwil]

Cool.....good info. I know Grand Bois are made by Panaracer so i was curious if there was a difference in them compared to standard Pasela.

Do your 32's measure out at a normal 32 width? I've found on the inter'webs' stories of Panaracer tires measuring almost a full sizer smaller than their advertised width: 35 are more 32's, 32's are more 30.....and so on

I don't know the dimensions off-hand, but 32 Paselas are definitely smaller than 32 Grand Bois/Compass, I'd guesstimate 29mm wide and 28mm tall on 23mm rims whereas the GB/Compass measure 32 x 30. If you really care I can measure mine tonight.

[fiamme red]

The Panaracer PT comes with wire bead option also.......jus throwin it out there

Wow that's good price for a tire that you got so many miles out of. It's still relatively cheap, or I should say, the cheapest out of all the models

Found these on Amazon, but they say they come with a BROWN sidewall.....not to make this even more confusing/annoying :confused::(:o but is there difference between Brown/Gum/Tan/Amber ???

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010VZGKC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A2TE9IQP68MWQUThose have tan sidewalls, it's the ignorant people at Niagara who call them "brown."

Niagara Cycles sells Panaracer tires as cheap as anyone, but I wouldn't buy from them. I had one very bad experience with their customer service when a shipment was lost.

[azrider]

Those have tan sidewalls, it's the ignorant people at Niagara who call them "brown."

Niagara Cycles sells Panaracer tires as cheap as anyone, but I wouldn't buy from them. I had one very bad experience with their customer service when a shipment was lost.

Noted. Thanks for the tip.

[F150]

I've never ridden a 700c version, but they are my tire of choice on 27" wheels. I'm 225# and ride them as low as 65psi. Just put a set of PTs on my Trek 520 but have yet to ride them. Rotated the well worn standard Paselas, 27 x 1 1/4, onto a Trek 610 and pumped to recommended 95psi. Still quite comfortable; pretty sure the big honking Avocet Touring I saddle helped.

[alexsteinker]

Everyone says they are great commuting, but how about actual rides. I'm interested in these in 32's for my cx machine for some rough road riding. I like file treads for most "gravel" riding, but these just look so good and are priced right. Ira Ryan did oregon outback and trans iowa on these tires. That has to mean something right?

[fiamme red]

Everyone says they are great commuting, but how about actual rides. I'm interested in these in 32's for my cx machine for some rough road riding. I like file treads for most "gravel" riding, but these just look so good and are priced right. Ira Ryan did oregon outback and trans iowa on these tires. That has to mean something right?The sidewalls are supple, so the ride is lively. On the other hand, the sidewalls, being rather delicate, are prone to punctures from sharp objects. I try to avoid riding Paselas on gravel roads that have big, sharp rocks. The T-Serv tires have reinforced sidewalls, so I feel less anxious with them on rough dirt roads.

[eBAUMANN]

Everyone says they are great commuting, but how about actual rides. I'm interested in these in 32's for my cx machine for some rough road riding. I like file treads for most "gravel" riding, but these just look so good and are priced right. Ira Ryan did oregon outback and trans iowa on these tires. That has to mean something right?

I took mine for 3 days in PDX last year, rode forest park roads and some fairly gnarly trails on em, then took em out for 60mi on the road the next day. Super versatile tire.

I buy these guys. (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5gCnhrWK0cO_2qQ7PNB8MCDrGDebICFdayey4-_8PgpgC42ecnjoofTS5wNGVCJYVEwdG9mnyMry1P4b7jQycauA 9b8ugmah310hmQabGaJ8GPWBcPVILpYfa20tBe7aA_GecdM_0Z SD3gow5LWQX54sAQoGw-w01Q1RCDwFHdLP17xqEee5PFW89pptFQcrY9rgkCI34GZbn7HK 9Wvgh6t_YM1xHJZdb0fdjceehfPFLg93KQLBMLbdXHhwYZ15kW TUZjxmAg5gRmQDL0zGVINGX7V-cyyfz5SPSlcoFH8EWoM0ubZc15-CxjYDxGtJjhOvEtQOMcMaOXWC44bD8KinDN8wGct2ToSZsoRkc ztPFFy462JqUTMCJQivg0d5AdKYxo6XTiQAZ4ZOcmX7IPVb0IM FqdO0x-g19GyM_pyz3_aLrNBMJICKW8SoQc-iosfzIL9H-arNKp1P1LKiNR9ug0tsZCBuICaA0kWtJSpIwK3RkRDSKPHiTH3 9oQimgZ0REQpWbCFBSeLax_CrMs9v_Ty2MqJoXmul5-AXeRMcbI4RQY0s7b_fWz7mNJdRx2I_=w1200-h475-no)

[choke]

Everyone says they are great commuting, but how about actual rides. I'm interested in these in 32's for my cx machine for some rough road riding. I like file treads for most "gravel" riding, but these just look so good and are priced right. Ira Ryan did oregon outback and trans iowa on these tires. That has to mean something right?I've used the same pair (28s) for two Cino Heroicas and for Eroica CA; Cino has loads of big gravel and rough, rutted dirt. The only flat I had came from the rim strip shifting.

[sw3759]

non tg pasela is all you need..ride well grip well and low cost and long wearing and feel pretty darn fast.one of my all time favorites..the tg always seemed slower and rode worse than the on non tg version to me..i too loaded up when nashbar used to put em on sale for close to 10 bucks each.
32's at 70 psi are my favorite all around tire for crappy texas roads on my cross bike.hardly any flats in 15 years of running them.1 huge ass roofing nail did one in and nearly went thru the open pro rim to boot

[smontanaro]

I think PT is simply their newest iteration of TG (tour guard.)

Ditto. I once bought some TGs and received PTs.

[weisan]

Nashbar used to have the standard Paselas on sale for $12-$15, so for years they were the tires that I put most miles on.

Same here. I bought like 5 pairs 10 years ago, rode my last pair at D2R2 a few years ago, never get the chance to restock.

[azrider]

I took mine for 3 days in PDX last year, rode forest park roads and some fairly gnarly trails on em, then took em out for 60mi on the road the next day. Super versatile tire.

I buy these guys. (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5gCnhrWK0cO_2qQ7PNB8MCDrGDebICFdayey4-_8PgpgC42ecnjoofTS5wNGVCJYVEwdG9mnyMry1P4b7jQycauA 9b8ugmah310hmQabGaJ8GPWBcPVILpYfa20tBe7aA_GecdM_0Z SD3gow5LWQX54sAQoGw-w01Q1RCDwFHdLP17xqEee5PFW89pptFQcrY9rgkCI34GZbn7HK 9Wvgh6t_YM1xHJZdb0fdjceehfPFLg93KQLBMLbdXHhwYZ15kW TUZjxmAg5gRmQDL0zGVINGX7V-cyyfz5SPSlcoFH8EWoM0ubZc15-CxjYDxGtJjhOvEtQOMcMaOXWC44bD8KinDN8wGct2ToSZsoRkc ztPFFy462JqUTMCJQivg0d5AdKYxo6XTiQAZ4ZOcmX7IPVb0IM FqdO0x-g19GyM_pyz3_aLrNBMJICKW8SoQc-iosfzIL9H-arNKp1P1LKiNR9ug0tsZCBuICaA0kWtJSpIwK3RkRDSKPHiTH3 9oQimgZ0REQpWbCFBSeLax_CrMs9v_Ty2MqJoXmul5-AXeRMcbI4RQY0s7b_fWz7mNJdRx2I_=w1200-h475-no)

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[dawgie]

I'm using the Pasela PT 32s on a couple of my bikes and like them. They seem to wear well and resist flats. Ride quality is OK, but rolling resistance seems on the high side. Mine measure exactly 32 mm wide on Velocity Dyad rims. I've used them on my cyclocross and touring bikes for commuting, riding on greenways and unpaved trails, and touring.

The Panaracer Gravel Kings are a much nicer riding and rolling tire, but I've only tried them in 28s. In 32s, the GKs have a lot more tread, although they supposedly are coming out with a smooth version. The GKs are not as flat resistant or long wearing as the Paselas. My GK 28s measure 30 mm wide on Dyad rims and 28 mm on Open Pros.

Clement LAS 33s are a nice alternative but they run wide. Mine measure 36 mm wide on Dyad rims. They roll very nicely for a wide tire with some tread, and they are surprisingly light weight. Like the GKs, they are not as flat resistant or long wearing as Paselas.

[azrider]

Can anyone speak to how "high" Panaracer's measure?? I know I've used my stupid questions allotment in this thread alone but do they run tall ?

Would any of you who've owned/ridden Paselas have any hesitation fitting a 28 Pasela into fit this frame? The one on left is 700x28 Gatorskin and one on Right is cheapo Performance/Strada 700x28, but as you can see there's not much room to spare between the top of the tire and the fork........

Think a Panaracer Pasela would fit in there??

[tuscanyswe]

Pasela TG is a tire i will never buy again. I actually had a flat on my first week using these but that was not the issue for me, they just felt awful.

[alexsteinker]

awesome. So glad to hear actual reviews instead of seeing them on every bike on the web as of late. Cheap enough for me to try out without getting angry if they fail!

[Hilltopperny]

I am running 32 pasela pts on my trek pilot. They work well for multi surface and rough road rides and roll well through everything I have encountered so far. I definitely prefer them to my old gatorskins as they feel more supple and still provide puncture protection. I haven't found any issues yet.

[Hilltopperny]

Can anyone speak to how "high" Panaracer's measure?? I know I've used my stupid questions allotment in this thread alone but do they run tall ?

Would any of you who've owned/ridden Paselas have any hesitation fitting a 28 Pasela into fit this frame? The one on left is 700x28 Gatorskin and one on Right is cheapo Performance/Strada 700x28, but as you can see there's not much room to spare between the top of the tire and the fork........

Think a Panaracer Pasela would fit in there??

Pretty sure the pasela would fit. I can only compare them to the 32c that I had and they seemed to fit the same on my open pros.

[Scuzzer]

The sidewalls are supple, so the ride is lively. On the other hand, the sidewalls, being rather delicate, are prone to punctures from sharp objects. I try to avoid riding Paselas on gravel roads that have big, sharp rocks. The T-Serv tires have reinforced sidewalls, so I feel less anxious with them on rough dirt roads.

I'm huge (6' 2" 230 lbs) and prefer the non TG version in 32 for riding on gravel roads out here in CO. Huge sharp rocks everywhere but if you pick a decent line they work well. I'm not going for overall speed though so YMMV.

I did massively pinch flat one last summer when a road grader forced me onto the shoulder of the road they were rebuilding between Kremmling and Silverthorne. Not sure how the old 36 spoke rim or tire made it through the impact with a 6" rock unscathed.

[pavel]

Can anyone speak to how "high" Panaracer's measure?? I know I've used my stupid questions allotment in this thread alone but do they run tall ?

Would any of you who've owned/ridden Paselas have any hesitation fitting a 28 Pasela into fit this frame? The one on left is 700x28 Gatorskin and one on Right is cheapo Performance/Strada 700x28, but as you can see there's not much room to spare between the top of the tire and the fork........

Think a Panaracer Pasela would fit in there??


That looks like it would be really close. So close that even if it fit, you would rub the tire if you started flexing the bike at all.

[donevwil]

Can anyone speak to how "high" Panaracer's measure?? I know I've used my stupid questions allotment in this thread alone but do they run tall ?

On Archetypes (23mm) my 32mm basic Paselas measure 32.5mm wide x 30mm tall. They've been on there for over a year and have grown a mm or so.

[azrider]

went with cheaper version (non TG). Mounting was fine, and them seem to run fairly true to size but will measure when I have access to some calipers.

Thanks for suggestions.

Happy riding


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[pinkshogun]

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[azrider]

nice Centurion AZ


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[pinkshogun]

the smoked purple gave it away

[JLP]

I'm a huge an of the Pasela. They seem to be a great value, and they come in every size under the sun. When I'm in shape, they seem fast; when I'm out of shape they seem slow.

[rccardr]

Pasela PT 28's on my Eroica Cinelli:
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/rccardr/Cinelli%201978%20china%20blue/Cinelli%20Eroica%202016%20right%20side_zpsnazddpej .jpg (http://s797.photobucket.com/user/rccardr/media/Cinelli%201978%20china%20blue/Cinelli%20Eroica%202016%20right%20side_zpsnazddpej .jpg.html)

27 X1 1/4 PT's on my '87 Voyager:
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/rccardr/87%20Schwinn%20Voyageur/87Voyageurrightside_zps26ab7d7d.jpg (http://s797.photobucket.com/user/rccardr/media/87%20Schwinn%20Voyageur/87Voyageurrightside_zps26ab7d7d.jpg.html)

...and 25's on the '96 Rivendell Road Standard:
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/rccardr/96%20Rivendell%20Road%20Standard%20green/96%20Riv%20RS%20right%20side_zps72rckksv.jpg (http://s797.photobucket.com/user/rccardr/media/96%20Rivendell%20Road%20Standard%20green/96%20Riv%20RS%20right%20side_zps72rckksv.jpg.html)

[Andreas]

Did search and while I found a lot of info on Panaracer Pasela(s), didn't find answer I was looking for.

Is the PT (Protection Technology) worth the extra $$$? Thanks for anyone who may be in the know.

Standard Paselas ride way nicer than TG or PT.
Never flatted on them, so I would not know what TG/PT would get me over them.

[wallymann]

Do your 32's measure out at a normal 32 width? I've found on the inter'webs' stories of Panaracer tires measuring almost a full sizer smaller than their advertised width: 35 are more 32's, 32's are more 30.....and so on

here are my freshly mounted 32 Pasela PTs on archetype rims, they end up a skosh over 30mm width.

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/12814669_10207851834245665_1071135615638873020_n.j pg?oh=042e7331f7c1a411810e773f8b0b2c09&oe=575C6836

[Shadwhand]

Has anyone ridden on the 38s? Currently have Compass Barlow Pass on my bike but I'm wondering whether I should save some money and go with the non-TG 700x38s.

[Grant McLean]

The Panaracer Gravel Kings are a much nicer riding and rolling tire, but I've only tried them in 28s. In 32s, the GKs have a lot more tread, although they supposedly are coming out with a smooth version. The GKs are not as flat resistant or long wearing as the Paselas. My GK 28s measure 30 mm wide on Dyad rims and 28 mm on Open Pros.


That's correct, there is a 'smooth' 32mm GravelKing coming.
It's a bit confusing that last year Panaracer used two different tire tread patterns
in the same GravelKing series, the 23, 25, 28 were a smooth file tread,
and the 32 is a semi knobby.

So for 2016, the knobby tread 32 size has been renamed the "GravelKing SK" and they added a 40mm version.
The new "32 smooth" has the same file tread as the 23-28 sizes.

The GK's have protection to reduce pinch flats and the casing is tough to
resist cuts, so I don't see why they would be less flat resistant than a Pasela.

They are 126TPI tires, so the performance is much better
than a Pasela, the idea with the GK's was to be both faster and more durable
off the tarmac than the entry level price point Pasela.

[thirdgenbird]

That gravel King sk 40 may be just the ticket in my yeti.

[Grant McLean]

Standard Paselas ride way nicer than TG or PT.
Never flatted on them, so I would not know what TG/PT would get me over them.


Pasela - steel bead, no puncture protection.
Pasela PT- aramid bead version saves 100gr pair, has protection belt under tread
TourGuard - steel bead, heavy tread plus bead to bead protection belt covers complete tire, 500 grams heavier per pair than folding Pasela PT.


The PT is the nicer tire, there is no logical explanation why a standard Pasela
rides "way nicer" than the same casing and rubber on the PT version.
TourGuards on the other hand are a completely different tire.

[Grant McLean]

That gravel King sk 40 may be just the ticket in my yeti.

WTB Nano 40c race might be another choice to look at too.

http://www.wtb.com/products/nano-40c

[thirdgenbird]

Thanks. That does look like a good option. I think some 40s may be tight, but these have pretty conservative side lugs. Price isn't bad either.