Campy Compatible Cassette - greater than 29T?

[Tony T]

Is there a Campy 11s compatible cassette available with a greater than 29T?

[don compton]

Check out Interloc Racing Design.

[grawk]

use shimano wheels and cassette instead?

[R3awak3n]

use shimano wheels and cassette instead?

This. Then you can use shimano road 32T cassetes with your campy long cage derailleurs.

This is what I am about to do using athena 11. Those interlock design cassetes are nice but are too pricey, you can get 3 shimano cassetes for the price of an IRD

[Tony T]

Check out Interloc Racing Design.

Looks good, thanks!
Do you know if the 32T will work with the Campy short derailleur?
Also will I need to lengthen the chain (I have it set-up for 12-29)

(btw, I'm looking into this as I had to dismount and walk up an 18% grade today)

[Tony T]

This. Then you can use shimano road 32T cassetes with your campy long cage derailleurs.

This is what I am about to do using athena 11. Those interlock design cassetes are nice but are too pricey, you can get 3 shimano cassetes for the price of an IRD

Only $60 for a shimano cassette?
Even then, unless I can get a rear wheel for $120, it'll be cheaper to get the IRD ;)

[grawk]

depends on your wheels, freehub bodies can be relatively cheap.

[don compton]

Looks good, thanks!
Do you know if the 32T will work with the Campy short derailleur?
Also will I need to lengthen the chain (I have it set-up for 12-29)

(btw, I'm looking into this as I had to dismount and walk up an 18% grade today)
Tony,
I don't think that you'll be able to use the 50-32 unless you have the Athena triple rear derailleur. I think, if you don't use the 50-32 combo, all the other combos will be fine. Maybe OP could chime in.

[R3awak3n]

Only $60 for a shimano cassette?
Even then, unless I can get a rear wheel for $120, it'll be cheaper to get the IRD ;)


oh yeah, you can get a 105 32T cassete for even less, like $40. $60 is for ultegra. Campy cassetes are awesome but they sure are very expensive.

Like someone recommended, maybe you can change the freehub on your wheel. Short cage derailleur will be pushing it, 29 is already past the recommend but it does work fine. You will probably need to invest on a long cage athena RD.

I assume you are running a compact crank already?

[oldpotatoe]

Looks good, thanks!
Do you know if the 32T will work with the Campy short derailleur?
Also will I need to lengthen the chain (I have it set-up for 12-29)

(btw, I'm looking into this as I had to dismount and walk up an 18% grade today)

Depends but probably not. What is key is whether or not you can do the big-big combo, and also not have pulley to cog rubbing when in small ring and smaller cogs with b limit all the way out(on Campag rear der).

So, depends a lot on your current chain length.

And for right above, Campag 11s. 29t is not beyond the stated capability. 12-29 standard for all Campag 11s as a max..no longer cage rear ders for SR/Record/Chorus or any EPS.

[ultraman6970]

What about a triple crankset?

[R3awak3n]

Depends but probably not. What is key is whether or not you can do the big-big combo, and also not have pulley to cog rubbing when in small ring and smaller cogs with b limit all the way out(on Campag rear der).

So, depends a lot on your current chain length.

And for right above, Campag 11s. 29t is not beyond the stated capability. 12-29 standard for all Campag 11s as a max..no longer cage rear ders for SR/Record/Chorus or any EPS.

Oh yeah you are right :) 29t is beyond stated capacity on 10sp short cage but not 11 but it also worked just fine.

[Tony T]

What about a triple crankset?

I was thinking of that also as a possibility.

[oldpotatoe]

Oh yeah you are right :) 29t is beyond stated capacity on 10sp short cage but not 11 but it also worked just fine.

Yes, but..I had a demo Moots on the floor with a compact and 13-29, with a short cage for a long time..10s..then when they came out with 12-30. Same gig..short cage rear der, compact, 10s..works fine.

[RonW87]

oh yeah, you can get a 105 32T cassete for even less, like $40. $60 is for ultegra. Campy cassetes are awesome but they sure are very expensive.

The 11 speed Campagnolo ones do seem pricey. You can get campy compatible BBB and Miche ones for less though through Ribble, etc. Of course, Veloce cassettes for 10 speed are pretty inexpensive.

[denapista]

(btw, I'm looking into this as I had to dismount and walk up an 18% grade today)

You had to walk up an 18% grade with a 29t out back? I climbed Dalewood Way in SF not too long ago, and 29t was all that I needed. This road is 28%.

People are always mocking me for my 12/29 cassette.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3196/2802225324_98b4e9dd22_z.jpg

[ultraman6970]

There is a problem. we havent seen the OP riding just to start. 18% is a respectable climb to be honest :)

Technique is always a factor at the time of climbing too.

You had to walk up an 18% grade with a 29t out back? I climbed Dalewood Way in SF not too long ago, and 29t was all that I needed. This road is 28%.

People are always mocking me for my 12/29 cassette.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3196/2802225324_98b4e9dd22_z.jpg

[denapista]

I wasn't knocking him, just saying a 29t is plenty. OP didn't say he was on standard versus compact either. The guy could be recovering from a knee injury for all we know. 18% is tough, but there are tougher grades that force one to walk, and depending on when you approach that 18%. riding up a long 18% grind at the end of a 90mi 10kft ride, would be pure torture.

[R3awak3n]

and he can't want a bigger cassete even if he is on a compact or is not suffering from a knee injury or is at the end of a 90 mile ride?

And there is always a worst hill and 29T is not always enough for everyone.

[saab2000]

I have a Shimano 11-32 on my Indy Fab. This bike is outfitted with D/A stuff but I know for a fact that Shimano and Campagnolo 11-speed stuff is compatible.

I wouldn't hesitate to use it with a Campagnolo short derailleur but with the caveat that it will likely not work in a BIG/BIG combo and could damage the derailleur and/or hanger if you attempt it, especially if your chain isn't long enough.

You won't damage anything but the chain will be loose and sloppy in the small/small combos. Keep away from them too.

I would try it out in a work stand but I'd bet it will work. I have a Campagnolo 13-29 cassette I've used with zero issue. I doubt adding 3 more teeth will cause trouble as long as you don't try to shift into the big cog while in the big ring. Don't go there. :no: The whole point of this is the small ring/big cog combo and in that case it should work well.

Mine is with a D/A rear derailleur and that has a longer arm than Campagnolo. It will go into the 50-32 but I promise you it doesn't like it and I tested it at low speed in the work stand when I assembled it. The Campagnolo might be stretched to the breaking point if the chain becomes too tight.

Allow me to take this opportunity to rant..... Shimano's 11-32 is very nice. But I REALLY wish they also made a 12-32 11-speed cassette. I'll never use the 11-tooth cog on my gravel bike. I can see having it on a serious mountain road bike with a compact, so I do get it. But for gravel bikes, where many of these cassettes will see duty, an 11-tooth cog is a spacer and nothing more.

I did use my 34-32 this spring on some nasty, steep, rough, loose gravel climbs in western Virginia and will never mock someone for using low gears. It was a godsend.

[Tony T]

You had to walk up an 18% grade with a 29t out back? I climbed Dalewood Way in SF not too long ago, and 29t was all that I needed. This road is 28%.


Well, I just came off of a climb with a 10% grade for 5 miles when I hit the section with the steeper grade with a mile to go.
That, and I'm old ;)

btw how many miles was that 28% climb?

[Tony T]

I climbed Dalewood Way in SF not too long ago, and 29t was all that I needed. This road is 28%.


That's some hill!
I don't think I could even walk up one of those SF hills :)

http://imgs.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/bicycle/2011/06/26/Dan1.jpg

[denapista]

Hahaha my response came off rude. I was simply implying a 29 should be all you need out back. 25-27 is considered large and 29 even larger. Trust me I run. 29 and won't dip below a 27 ever again. The climb up to Davidson isn't that long just brutally steep and slippery. It's moist in that area so the ground is slippery and there are leaves all over the ground. Tough. I'm not saying 18% isn't steep. I dread those grades. 32 just seems like overkill. I know contador and a few select pros run that large of a cassette so maybe it was simply derailleur limitations in the past that prevented everyone from running that large of a gear.


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[Tony T]

Your probably right.
I don't want to go to a triple, nor deal with changing freehubs to use shimano.
I figured the easiest way would be to swap in a cassette for rides with big hills and then swap back to the 29T to 27T when I'm on my regular rides. I might give that IRD cassette a try anyway. (btw, I was disappointed when I had to dismount and walk, it was awhile since I had to do that. I'm not a climber, but I do want to tackle that hill again :))

[ultraman6970]

Personally i would walk those steep hills from the pictures :)

[Dustin]

Sigh. I do get tired of the chest pounding in these gearing discussions.

I wouldn't mind an 11-36 on the back of my road bike. What's it to anyone? As they say in Hawaii, "you like beef?"

[donevwil]

The IRD Wide Range cassettes work well, at least my two for Campy 10 do (one 12-32 & one 11-34). Not as clean shifting at the upper end as an OEM Campy, but far better than Miche. They work fine on my stock Campy medium and long cage derailleurs, but would work with any cage length if your chain length is proper and you stick close to Campy's recommended chain wrap specs by avoiding big-big or probably even big-2nd from biggest.

[oldpotatoe]

i wasn't knocking him, just saying a 29t is plenty for me. Op didn't say he was on standard versus compact either. The guy could be recovering from a knee injury for all we know. 18% is tough, but there are tougher grades that force one to walk, and depending on when you approach that 18%. Riding up a long 18% grind at the end of a 90mi 10kft ride, would be pure torture.

fify

[Tony T]

I'm surprised that for the 11s IRD has a 30T and a 32T. since Campy has a 29T

[druptight]

Sigh. I do get tired of the chest pounding in these gearing discussions.

I wouldn't mind an 11-36 on the back of my road bike. What's it to anyone? As they say in Hawaii, "you like beef?"

^This. He asked a gearing question, someone answered it for him, let's move on. I don't recall him asking for a HTFU speech.

[Tony T]

Check out Interloc Racing Design.

Thanks, I'm going to give the IRD a try.
At worst, I'm out ~$200

[Joxster]

Build your own :) Just select the sporckets you want

http://www.marchisio.eu/pignoni-cassette/

There will be a shop in the US that will sell them

[wooly]

Thanks, I'm going to give the IRD a try.
At worst, I'm out ~$200


Let us know how it works. I'd love a 32 for my 11 speed chorus equipped ride. Just not sure if it would work with the derailleur. Good luck!

[coneill0422]

With the compact chainrings do you really ever need anything less then 29 tooth rear? Effectively you're going to be trying to run something that has the same tooth count as your inner chain ring, just doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion, 34 - 32?


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[Tony T]

You should ask Sram, Shimanno and IRD (Campy it seems, agrees with you) :)

[gone]

With the compact chainrings do you really ever need anything less then 29 tooth rear? Effectively you're going to be trying to run something that has the same tooth count as your inner chain ring, just doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion, 34 - 32?


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Well, it's likely I'm nowhere near as manly as you are but I'll tell you that when I hit the 1/3 mile of 15% topped off by 1/4 mile of 18% at mile 700 of the Endless Mountains 1200K having already climbed more than 36K I was certainly glad of an easier gear than a 34x29.

[oldpotatoe]

Well, it's likely I'm nowhere near as manly as you are but I'll tell you that when I hit the 1/3 mile of 15% topped off by 1/4 mile of 18% at mile 700 of the Endless Mountains 1200K having already climbed more than 36K I was certainly glad of an easier gear than a 34x29.

:D

Gearing is 100% personal. I'm a betting Andy Hampsten doesn't need my 34-29 when going up the last section to Ward either.

[gone]

:D

Gearing is 100% personal.
Yep, and very terrain and ride dependent. That's why it's always so annoying when someone chimes in with how they don't "need" easier gearing.

[weisan]

People are always mocking me for my 12/29 cassette.


These are the people you wanna make a note to self:

"To hell with em', I would rather ride on my own..." :D :beer:

[R3awak3n]

Yep, and very terrain and ride dependent. That's why it's always so annoying when someone chimes in with how they don't "need" easier gearing.

Its true, 13-29 on steep gravel is not enough for me and why if I want to stick with campagnolo I have to put a athena 11 long cage in the back shifting a 32T shimano cassete.

[makoti]

:D

Gearing is 100% personal. I'm a betting Andy Hampsten doesn't need my 34-29 when going up the last section to Ward either.

Actually, I was looking at one of his Dolomite tours, and the write-up about gearing said "Andy uses a 34-29. You can use what you want, but Andy uses 34-29".

[Tony T]

Well, he does have others riding with him on his tour, and I'm sure he doesn't want to break away for the other less experienced riders.

[donevwil]

Actually, I was looking at one of his Dolomite tours, and the write-up about gearing said "Andy uses a 34-29. You can use what you want, but Andy uses 34-29".

Andy rides a 34 x 27 on his Dolomite tours, primarily to ride along with and provide encouragement to the sloggers at the back of the group trying to make it up the climbs (personal experience). If not for that I guarantee you he in no way "needs" a 27, or 34 for that matter.

[Tony T]

Here's what he says: MIGHTY DOLOMITI, AUGUST 27-SEPT.5, 2016 (http://cinghiale.com/portfolio/mightydolomiti2016)

What Bike/Gears/Tires should I bring?
 We will be riding paved roads; bring your 23 to 25mmç—´. Go for great grip. We like Rivendelle rollypoly. They are 28mm but roll oh so nicely when we are in a hurry to get to lunch. Challengeç—´ Paris Roubaix seem to be nice too.

Lower gears than normal are recommended on this ride, for obvious reasons. Our favorite solution to gearing is to use a compact crank (meaning a double chainring with smaller chainrings than usual 110mm BCD, if that means anything to you) with 34 and 50 teeth in the front, coupled with a 12-27 (Shimano) or 13-29 (Campy) in the rear. Or easier!

Another great option is a triple, usually 30/42/52 (Campy) or 30/39/53 (Shimano), combined with a wide range in the rear.

If you are considering riding hero gears like a 39ï¾—25, please rethink your madness. Put it this way: Andy rides a 34ï¾—27. Love yourself. Install the compact and spin your legs. Your knees just thanked you.


Now that's a tour I would like to do someday!

[Ralph]

I "get" why a Pro chooses a not so low gear for climbing. One....he doesn't need a low gear like ordinary folks, and two.....not having a big cassette cog means he can run a cassette where all the gears are close together. Better for pack racing.

But don't understand why it's considered so manly for regular folks to struggle up hills. That's what gears are for. To make it easy on yourself.....make the ride more enjoyable, make you less tired after a climb.

We have some hills around here with 15% grades. One after the other. I can get up them by struggling in a 39X26 usually....going back and forth across the road, etc. I can climb them in a 39X30 going straight up.....struggling hard all the way.

I can ride up them with my triple equipped bike in a 30X30.....just easily cruising up the hill to the top. I much prefer using my triple. Why not? No king of the hill prizes for me! Just don't get making it hard on yourself.

[rain dogs]

I "get" why a Pro chooses a not so low gear for climbing.

But, this also isn't true. Exhibit A: La Vuelta España

Here is some select gearing by a few weaklings for Angliru 2011:
Cobo 34×32 (28.3-inch); (He won the stage by the way)
Nibali 34×29 (31.2-inch);
Froome and Wiggins 38×32 (31.6-inch)

and other weaklings on Mirador de Ezaro 2012:
Froome 38×32 (31.2-inch);
Garate 34x28 (31.9-inch);
Mollema 39x32 (32.0-inch);
Contador 36×28 (33.8-inch);
Valverde 39×29 (35.3-inch);
Rodríguez 39×28 (36.6-inch);

The thing is, forums are great places for anonymous fellas to call out others while themselves mis-reading elevation gains, stating max slope vs avg slope, or thinking that 300m is a climb vs being a ramp, all in desperate search of a pat on the back.

Pretty sure the above guys are good climbers. 32 teeth seemed necessary for them. I guess we've just got some TdF, Vuelta contenders on the forum :rolleyes:

[Ralph]

Sure....but some of those climbs are very steep.

[coneill0422]

I guess a lot of it depends on your terrain. Living in the Northeast there is not much here that a compact with a 29 rear won't tackle. Though it depends on the rider and bike, I know some guys that run steel and a long cage so they can run a 32.


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[bfd]

I know some guys that run steel and a long cage so they can run a 32.

I know some guys that run carbon and a long cage so they can run a 32 too! In fact, one guy, who is a very good climber, has a 14lb carbon bike with Sram Red compact crank and runs a long cage rear der with 32t "wi-fi" cassette. He finds the 32t especially useful for his "recovery" rides. Still, 34x32 or 34x28, he's one of the fastest riders in our group.

Good Luck! :eek::banana::butt:;)

[Tony T]

Sure....but some of those climbs are very steep.

Didn't have those gears in the early days, these new pros need to HTFU ;)

[Tony T]

I guess a lot of it depends on your terrain. Living in the Northeast there is not much here that a compact with a 29 rear won't tackle.

Depends where in the Northeast. A lot of big climbs in Vermont and New Hampshire.

http://www.northeastcycling.com/NE_Climbs_main.html

[Tony T]

Let us know how it works. I'd love a 32 for my 11 speed chorus equipped ride. Just not sure if it would work with the derailleur. Good luck!

Got the IRD 12-32. Installed with a new KMC chain.
Only needed 1 more link to get to the big-big.
Just clears in small-small (I wouldn't recommend the 11-32).
FWIW, the number of links agrees also to the calculated method of chain sizing.

This won't be my 'everyday' cassette, but glad to have it.

[saab2000]

Got the IRD 12-32. Installed with a new KMC chain.
Only needed 1 more link to get to the big-big.
Just clears in small-small (I wouldn't recommend the 11-32).
FWIW, the number of links agrees also to the calculated method of chain sizing.

This won't be my 'everyday' cassette, but glad to have it.

I wish Shimano made a 12-32 11-speed cassette. The 11 is all but useless for me on my 11-32 and I'd rather have another cog in the middle of the range.

How's the quality look on the IRD?

[Tony T]

How's the quality look on the IRD?

Quality is good, not as good as Campy, but good.
I was able to pick it up new on eBay for $160.

[makoti]

Got the IRD 12-32. Installed with a new KMC chain.
Only needed 1 more link to get to the big-big.
Just clears in small-small (I wouldn't recommend the 11-32).
FWIW, the number of links agrees also to the calculated method of chain sizing.

This won't be my 'everyday' cassette, but glad to have it.

Forgive me being to lazy too look through the thread, but is this with a short cage?

[Tony T]

Forgive me being to lazy too look through the thread, but is this with a short cage?

Yes, Campy Record derailleur.

[teleguy57]

Yes, Campy Record derailleur.

Hmmm. You have me thinking. I would love something a hair bigger than a 29 to go with my 36 inner for riding in Colorado.

Did a quick read of the whole thread and I may have missed your chainring sizes? 50x34?

[Tony T]

Yes, 50x34

[Gabuyo]

How's the quality look on the IRD?
I would say the IRD cassette is similar to Shimano 105 level quality. I have an Ultegra 11-32 on my other wheelset and the shifting quality on the IRD 11-32 cassette is definitely not as smooth or as quick.

[velotel]

No one's mentioned another way of going lower with Campy, a method I'm contemplating for my 'possible' next bike : chain rings. I'm contemplating going with TA compact running a 32/48 combined with a 12-29, or maybe an 11-29 if I can put that together. With that I gain a lower gear without stretching the limits of Campy's detailers. I'd lose some top end with the 48 but for me that's not an issue. Besides, a 48/11 isn't far off a 50/12 combo. And TA makes sweet cranks so seems like a win all the way around, lower gearing, Campy shifting, legs smiling.

[merckx]

No one's mentioned another way of going lower with Campy, a method I'm contemplating for my 'possible' next bike : chain rings. I'm contemplating going with TA compact running a 32/48 combined with a 12-29, or maybe an 11-29 if I can put that together. With that I gain a lower gear without stretching the limits of Campy's detailers. I'd lose some top end with the 48 but for me that's not an issue. Besides, a 48/11 isn't far off a 50/12 combo. And TA makes sweet cranks so seems like a win all the way around, lower gearing, Campy shifting, legs smiling.

You must be thinking about the Carmina? They are darn expensive in the states, then there is the additional cost of a BB. For that I recommend a Phil. TA BB's are so, so.

[Tony T]

No one's mentioned another way of going lower with Campy, a method I'm contemplating for my 'possible' next bike : chain rings. I'm contemplating going with TA compact running a 32/48 combined with a 12-29, or maybe an 11-29 if I can put that together. With that I gain a lower gear without stretching the limits of Campy's detailers. I'd lose some top end with the 48 but for me that's not an issue. Besides, a 48/11 isn't far off a 50/12 combo. And TA makes sweet cranks so seems like a win all the way around, lower gearing, Campy shifting, legs smiling.

Not really stretched at 50x32 (need to adj the B-Screw) , and keep in mind, shouldn't cross-chain even with a 50x25 (or 34x11).
So, if accidentally shifted to 50x32, there won't be a problem.

[overmyhead]

Go to the Branford Bike website. They give a great easily understandable explanation about chain wrap, rear d駻ailleurs and comparability.

[Tony T]

Looks like they need to update for 11s (unless I missed that page)