OT: Will Grier (UF QB) suspended for PEDs

[Keith A]

Just when UF's football team looks like they are finally getting their act back together, the QB (Will Grier) tests positive for PEDs :crap:

[oldpotatoe]

Just when UF's football team looks like they are finally getting their act back together, the QB (Will Grier) tests positive for PEDs :crap:

Geez, I'm shocked!!! A college football player doping??? YGBSM:rolleyes:

[Keith A]

Old P -- Yeah I know...just disappointed.

[bcroslin]

Geez, I'm shocked!!! A college football player doping??? YGBSM:rolleyes:

Any time the Gators land in the top 10 things always seem to go awry.

Grier says he was taking an over-the-counter supplement and it was tainted. We've all heard that one before. As a Gator fan it's disappointing because the team has been on a roll and Grier seems like a good kid but rules are rules. Trying to look at the bright side, I believe if the Gators lose at LSU this weekend and maybe drop another game (FSU, UGA) Grier will take some of the blame and it will help to manage expectations for McElwain. We can't afford to run McElwain out of town after 3 seasons like Muschamp. UF is still paying Muschamp's salary while he's picking up check coaching Auburn's defense. :crap:

[Jgrooms]

Were can I get these 'supplements'?

[peanutgallery]

This kid doesn't get paid and everything he does is marketed by Florida, even his likeness. Sad

The uci/wada/usada should take note...no 8 week suspension in the offseason or accusations of dogs or undead twins to blame. He could always blame it on CTE

[azrider]

Too bad his cheating came to light the day AFTER they played Missouri

[Scuzzer]

Maybe it's different now but from what I heard from the Purdue lineman back when I was going to college you'd have to be mentally deficient to fail a PED test. These guys weren't Mensa candidates but somehow they found a way through it while taking craploads of steroids.

[verticaldoug]

I would not throw the young man under the bus. After reading the announcement from Florida, I think it is plausible the man took an over the counter supplement which contained a banned substance. The banned substance will eventually be name plus the over the counter supplement. There a case a few years ago where a manufacturer was putting steroids into their protein powder. I think it was called Max Muscle or something.

[Jgrooms]

I would not throw the young man under the bus. After reading the announcement from Florida, I think it is plausible the man took an over the counter supplement which contained a banned substance. The banned substance will eventually be name plus the over the counter supplement. There a case a few years ago where a manufacturer was putting steroids into their protein powder. I think it was called Max Muscle or something.


The urban legend that supplement manufacturers spike some of their products. Then these unwitting customers go around talking about how great the products are. In the meantime the manufacturer goes back to the normal formula for 99% of the stuff.

Problem is, there has never been a confirmed test to prove it. Has there?

It shouldn't be that hard. We are talking a protein meal replacement right? So you don't have any more of that remaining at home in the kitchen? Can't come up with a batch number to go find some more? Not talking about the one off steak or who jacked up your RX.

In this case they must have, 'cause he 'knows'.

Test it. How about when your PED test comes back & you scream supplement, name it: company, product, where you purchased it.

Maybe they will. My bet is on what we've all see many many times.

This: plausible deniability, smoke, furore dies down, media moves on, time served, reboot next year. Future contract, signing bonus & endorsement deals dinged a bit...possibly.

[oldpotatoe]

The urban legend that supplement manufacturers spike some of their products. Then these unwitting customers go around talking about how great the products are. In the meantime the manufacturer goes back to the normal formula for 99% of the stuff.

Problem is, there has never been a confirmed test to prove it. Has there?

It shouldn't be that hard. We are talking a protein meal replacement right? So you don't have any more of that remaining at home in the kitchen? Can't come up with a batch number to go find some more? Not talking about the one off steak or who jacked up your RX.

In this case they must have, 'cause he 'knows'.

Test it. How about when your PED test comes back & you scream supplement, name it: company, product, where you purchased it.

Maybe they will. My bet is on what we've all see many many times.

This: plausible deniability, smoke, furore dies down, media moves on, time served, reboot next year. Future contract, signing bonus & endorsement deals dinged a bit...possibly.

The real tragedy is I'll bet somebody on the staff is supplying this crap. Probably to most of these players that make zillion$ for their school and get diddly for it. They will do anything to get to the 'big show'. Why not call it what it is, minor leagues for football, pay them, have them 'major' in football, they can take 'real' classes, have an education when they finish their 5-6 years at that 4 year school.

[Jgrooms]

For me its the cultural hypocrisy around big pharma. Engage in the work place water cooler chatter. Lets say big Friday HS games come up. "Hey your kid plays...well he must be on drugs right?" Oh that line is going to go over real well. You might find yoursef in HR & I'm not kidding.

But I've lost count how many times when cycling comes up & someone says: "well James here rides A LOT!" Count to ten in my head & before I am done, some form of drug reference will be mentioned.
I avoid most any ref to cycling in a social setting unless I can eyeball that there is another cyclist in that setting. Because if its not drugs, its all the fatties taking shots or we move to everyone's need to enforce traffic laws at that moment :) Yep I'm a debbie downer this AM.

[bcroslin]

The real tragedy is I'll bet somebody on the staff is supplying this crap. Probably to most of these players that make zillion$ for their school and get diddly for it. They will do anything to get to the 'big show'. Why not call it what it is, minor leagues for football, pay them, have them 'major' in football, they can take 'real' classes, have an education when they finish their 5-6 years at that 4 year school.

I doubt it's anyone in an official capacity with the team that is supplying any PED to these kids but they all certainly know where to find them. The problem with Grier is he put on 40 lbs of muscle in the off season. That was certain to set of alarms all over the place. The locker room at UF has a history of discipline issues dating back to before Urban Meyer's 2nd national championship. I'm of the opinion that the new coach is laying down the law and trying to get control of things and Grier may have gotten caught in the crossfire.

[rwsaunders]

It's amazing that he was caught as the NCAA requires each Divison 1 school that sponsors football to only submit 18 players to an annual test...that's out of a maximum of 105 on the roster.

[LegendRider]

It's amazing that he was caught as the NCAA requires each Divison 1 school that sponsors football to only submit 18 players to an annual test...that's out of a maximum of 105 on the roster.

Cycling taught the NCAA, NFL, NBA, etc. a great lesson: Avoid putting the spotlight on your sport's doping problem. Nothing good comes of it except cleaner competition.

[verticaldoug]

The urban legend that supplement manufacturers spike some of their products. Then these unwitting customers go around talking about how great the products are. In the meantime the manufacturer goes back to the normal formula for 99% of the stuff.

Problem is, there has never been a confirmed test to prove it. Has there?

It shouldn't be that hard. We are talking a protein meal replacement right? So you don't have any more of that remaining at home in the kitchen? Can't come up with a batch number to go find some more? Not talking about the one off steak or who jacked up your RX.

In this case they must have, 'cause he 'knows'.

Test it. How about when your PED test comes back & you scream supplement, name it: company, product, where you purchased it.

Maybe they will. My bet is on what we've all see many many times.

This: plausible deniability, smoke, furore dies down, media moves on, time served, reboot next year. Future contract, signing bonus & endorsement deals dinged a bit...possibly.

actually you are wrong. Bodybuilding.com settled in 2006 for spiking stuff and I believe American Cellular Labs was sent a letter in 2009 from the FDA alleging synthetic steroids in some of the products.

This is what he bought over the counter. You can buy it too!
http://revoltpharma.com/product/ligandrol-lgd-4033-90-caps-5mgs/

http://revoltpharma.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ligandrol-lgd-4033/

I can't believe this is sold over the counter.

How many high school kids are ordering this right now?

[Jgrooms]

Interesting, so a google was called for.

Busted for selling/marketing the following:


I Force Methadrol
Nutra Costal D-Stianozol
I Force Dymethazine
Rage RV5

Cellular labs given an FDA warning for marketing supplements as containing steroid or steroid like substances. Same type 'drol' names.

Which appears to fall into category you linked?

Seriously, smoke or the dude is an idiot. Hey I'm subject to testing so I think I'll try revoltpharma's ligandrol! Pharma & anything 'drol' might be an issue college boy?

Neither three discounts the legend that my protein shake is going to cause a roid rage.

[verticaldoug]

Back when US News did a study of football programs, Florida Football score an average of 890 on the SAT. I think very likely idiot.

[Jgrooms]

Oh & their tag line: "rise against genetics." That's great!

[Jgrooms]

back when us news did a study of football programs, florida football score an average of 890 on the sat. I think very likely idiot.


+ 1

[Jgrooms]

This thread has me way too deep into football.

Vert, yes sales are going thru roof for certain.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGD-4033

36 hr half life. Experimental drug for muscle wasting. Kid is not too bright.

School denies its this. Wonder why? Sorta blows the smoke screen.

Some inferences. Old man is HS coach. They know where to get it & how to cycle around testing. Like most caught dopers, they just screw up.

Now gotta order some...to rise above my inadequate genes.

[benb]

The supplements are just a smokescreen.. these guys were all shooting up even in HS...

[Keith A]

Here are a few details on Grier and the current situation...
http://www.gatorzone.com/carter/blog/2103?utm_medium=tweet&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=Answers+to+some+questions+people+have +about+Gators+QB+Will+Grier&utm_term=football

[oldpotatoe]

The supplements are just a smokescreen.. these guys were all shooting up even in HS...

Reality, what a concept. PED use is as rampant now as it was in cycling. No real testing in 'ball' sports at any level. Still is in cycling, just mostly doing blood transfusions imho. Harder to detect.

[andrew+]

Back when US News did a study of football programs, Florida Football score an average of 890 on the SAT. I think very likely idiot.

I went to UF, and had many classes with football players. I now teach them at my current school. They are far from "idiots." The reality is they are pressured to devote themselves entirely to football - hours of weightlifting beginning at 5am, daily practices, a culture which celebrates them as modern day gladiators, etc., and it's been that way for them since at least high school.

The temptation to take supplements, legal or not, to boost performance is built into that institution. It's also present in higher status institutions, let me assure you. It has nothing to do with one's intelligence.

[benb]

It's not new in ball sports. It was available in the weight room at my HS. I graduated 20 years ago. They even would kick everyone out periodically who wasn't on the football team. Principal of the school was a retired body builder and the gym teacher could bench 500lbs.

Jose Canseco flexing at the crowd was almost 30 years ago.

[Keith A]

It just keeps getting better for the UF football team...

Florida DB Deiondre Porter suspended indefinitely, reportedly facing felony charges (https://www.seccountry.com/florida/florida-db-deiondre-porter-suspended-indefinitely/73922846/)

[bcroslin]

curse of the top 10....

[milkbaby]

I grew up a Gator fan, went to school and work at UF. However, while it's possible that it was an honest mistake, I am not wearing orange and blue tinted glasses like many of my friends. Grier and his dad have been involved deeply enough in the sport to know better and for him knowingly take an unapproved supplement would be sheer negligence.

It should be well known that supplements can be contaminated with other substances, especially ones used for doping:

From the Journal of Mass Spectrometry:
Nutritional supplements cross-contaminated and faked with doping substances
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18563865

From the British Journal of Sports Medicine:
Dietary Supplements: Inadvertent Doping
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/745220_1


As mentioned, most sports don't want the bad publicity brought on by doping scandals, and therefore there is little to no incentive to catch people doping.

[Keith A]

Looks like UF's football woes maybe over...

Mysterious Florida walk-on Jim Jebow excels in tryout (http://syruptrap.ca/2015/01/mysterious-florida-walk-on-jim-jebow-excels-in-tryout/)