Parlee 1x11 Di2 Gravel

[madcow]

This is a bike I recently finished for myself and it seemed like something some folks here might be interested in seeing.

https://fairwheelbikes.com/c/media/2015/10/01_Full_Bike.jpg

https://fairwheelbikes.com/c/media/2015/10/07_Stem_Detail.jpg

More pics and build list: https://fairwheelbikes.com/c/parlee-gravel-grinder-1x11-di2-disc/

[goonster]

Not bad, but I can still see some of it.

[Anarchist]

Black bike photographed against black background ......

[tuscanyswe]

Nice bike!

Can you post some more pictures of the control tech timania bars?

I like the idea of putting them on an ALL ti bike someday (ofc i do) .)

[Clancy]

From the website

"In the end the complete bike was'nt as light as we could have built it, but we think at 14.5 pounds it's certainly light enough for it's class."

Has to be one of the biggest understatements ever posted in cycling!

A spectacular build showcasing Fairwheel's talents and products. Beautifull and thoughtfully done.

Although I know its impolite to ask.....

Cost?

I would love to ride it. I would love even more to own one.

[eippo1]

Love the build with the TI bits. I would rather see some silver chainrings, though. But how's that spaceneedle for the rough stuff? I use a Silverado for my gravel riding because my posterior can't handle bumps with a low padding saddle.

[madcow]

@clancy, a build like this one would go out the door at right around $10.5k

@tuscanyswe

https://fairwheelbikes.com/c/media/2015/10/02_HT_HB_Stem.jpg

https://fairwheelbikes.com/c/media/2015/10/05_HB_Stem.jpg

[ergott]

Devil's advocate here. What is the advantage of that 1X11 over a double? I consider close ratios to be something desirable for road rides. Helps in keeping cadence consistent.

Looks to me like you have a heavier rear der. and cassette offsetting some of the weight gain of a double.

Seems like 1X? drivetrains are becoming more fashionable at the expense of better gear choice.


PS - I thought about going 1X11 on my cross bike so I'm necessarily against 1X? in concept.

[madcow]

Eric there really is no benefit to do a 1x. We wanted to target a low gear based on where I think this bike will be most used, but to be honest we could have gotten an almost identical low gear using a 34/50 with an 11-32 cassette. In this case I chose 1x just for fun and to see how it works out.

[beeatnik]

madcow, I like your full retard style


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5679/21680576218_4219a1bf1a_o.jpg

[ergott]

In this case I chose 1x just for fun and to see how it works out.

After all if we aren't having fun then we're doing it wrong.
:beer:

[adhumston]

It's definitely cool! Practical? Eh.... but cool!

[tuscanyswe]

Thanks for the pictures. Looks great!
The bars are just available in this one and only bend correct?

[pff]

Not bad, but I can still see some of it.

I lol'd

[thermalattorney]

Definitely dig it. I'm in the process of building up a custom steel disc road w/ Di2 hydro and this is some sweet inspiration.

How do you like the XTR junction? Looks cleaner than the under the stem options (but gets in the way of a climbing shifter pod).

[fogrider]

After all if we aren't having fun then we're doing it wrong.
:beer:

I'm on the fence on 1x too, but I haven't ridden a 1x yet. with the advent of 11 cogs in the rear, it might have enough gear choice for dirt. I think for road, you still need a double.

[Avincent52]

Not bad, but I can still see some of it.

Good one, Goonster.

All kidding aside, this bike is very cool and this photograph is truly beautiful.

[Dustin]

Gravel grinding on 28s? Eh, no.

[AJosiahK]

Wow!


have fun

[happycampyer]

Incredible to think that a bike with discs and 28mm tires could be sub-15lbs. I'd really like to see a Chewbacca (or whatever it's called) version of this.

[jghall]

Kind of like the look with silver(ti) with an all black bike.

[Neil]

Eric there really is no benefit to do a 1x. We wanted to target a low gear based on where I think this bike will be most used, but to be honest we could have gotten an almost identical low gear using a 34/50 with an 11-32 cassette. In this case I chose 1x just for fun and to see how it works out.

Did this require custom firmware or is this a setup that could be duplicated using COTS parts?

[54ny77]

Needs a seat tube motor.

;)

[oldpotatoe]

Eric there really is no benefit to do a 1x. We wanted to target a low gear based on where I think this bike will be most used, but to be honest we could have gotten an almost identical low gear using a 34/50 with an 11-32 cassette. In this case I chose 1x just for fun and to see how it works out.

:D:);):beer:

[Michon]

Not enough positive in this thread - I LOVE it - simply gorgeous!!!

[eBAUMANN]

mmmm no benefit to a 1x? really?

hows about not dropping your chain? like, never ever.

hows about having one less thing to break/adjust/buy?

hows about saving battery juice with no fd in the loop?

hows about one less thing to think about while riding?

i could go on...its not really about weight savings IMO, its about simplicity and reliability.

[palincss]

mmmm no benefit to a 1x? really?
hows about not dropping your chain? like, never ever.


Historically, 1x drivetrains have been notorious for throwing the chain. I recall reading a posting years ago by a Moulton AM7 owner who described his bike as being "possessed by the Devil" on account of this tendency, and elegant chain keepers such as this one were devised to counter the tendency.

http://www.foldsoc.co.uk/mchaink2.jpg

Perhaps modern innovations such as thick/thin chain ring teeth may have solved this problem.

[John H.]

Cool for a big tire road bike- but it is not a gravel bike.
This thing would get eaten alive on a decent gravel or off-road ride.
Gearing is not low enough and I would kill the wheels/tires in one ride.

That said, riding my gravel bike has opened my eyes to how cool a big tire road bike can be.
I do some of my familiar road descents on my gravle bike with 700x33 tires- I keep thinking "this is awesome- I need a road bike with 28-30mm tires".

[oldpotatoe]

mmmm no benefit to a 1x? really?

hows about not dropping your chain? like, never ever.

hows about having one less thing to break/adjust/buy?

hows about saving battery juice with no fd in the loop?

hows about one less thing to think about while riding?

i could go on...its not really about weight savings IMO, its about simplicity and reliability.

Then do single speed. Giganto cogset with huge gaps that is either great for going uphill or going downhill but not both.

Saving battery juice?? C'mon, you can do better than that.

[ergott]

Cool for a big tire road bike- but it is not a gravel bike.
This thing would get eaten alive on a decent gravel or off-road ride.
Gearing is not low enough and I would kill the wheels/tires in one ride.


I've ridden some pretty intense descents on nothing more than 25mm tubulars (Baller's Ride).

https://ergottwheels.smugmug.com/Cycling/The-bikes/i-wMFsC2G/0/XL/IMG_20130526_091512_423-XL.jpg

I've also ridden with others on 25-27mm tubs on frightening descents in NY when the roads were in poor condition.

Woz isn't exactly wet behind the ears and I trust he chose tires/wheels that suit his abilities. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a bike like that at D2R2.

[John H.]

My statement applies to my own gravel riding routes- your routes and tastes may differ.
One of my favorite climbs gains 900 feet in 1.6 miles- average grade is over 10%, many pitches are steeper than that. It is a combination of fireroad and double track with dirt and strewn rock- no pavement.
On climbs like this you need more meat and more gear.
Like I said- I think it is an awesome bikes- depends on where you ride it-
I want a bike that takes tires of that size- but for me it will be a road bike with occasional off-road. Not mostly off-road.

I've ridden some pretty intense descents on nothing more than 25mm tubulars (Baller's Ride).

https://ergottwheels.smugmug.com/Cycling/The-bikes/i-wMFsC2G/0/XL/IMG_20130526_091512_423-XL.jpg

I've also ridden with others on 25-27mm tubs on frightening descents in NY when the roads were in poor condition.

Woz isn't exactly wet behind the ears and I trust he chose tires/wheels that suit his abilities. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a bike like that at D2R2.

[palincss]

Then do single speed. Giganto cogset with huge gaps that is either great for going uphill or going downhill but not both.



I'm curious - how does that 1x11 gearing compare to the gaps on the typical 10 speed gearing of the Campagnolo Nuovo Record era? (I go back that far, but always on half step plus granny triples.)

[John H.]

The jumps with a 1x11 will feel big. Especially with a 42 tooth chainring (this makes the jumps even larger- the 1x cogsets were spec'd with mtb sized chainrings in mind).
Will it matter? Maybe not, depends on how you like to pedal.
I notice the difference on my 2x between and 11-32 and an 11-36. I prefer the feel of the 11-32.
But I sure like having the 36 for long and steep climbs.


I'm curious - how does that 1x11 gearing compare to the gaps on the typical 10 speed gearing of the Campagnolo Nuovo Record era? (I go back that far, but always on half step plus granny triples.)

[oldpotatoe]

I'm curious - how does that 1x11 gearing compare to the gaps on the typical 10 speed gearing of the Campagnolo Nuovo Record era? (I go back that far, but always on half step plus granny triples.)

12-21? Even 5s weren't as big. 13-26? Nope. With a 52/42 up front, didn't need to be. 11-42? Yikes. My point is with a say, 42 up front, may have low enough low but not high enough high and vice versa. Front ders, mech. or electronic have never been better. People talk about how amazing they work on this forum all the time.

Look, if ya want to do the 1by gig, groovy but poor front der reliability, action, cost or battery use aren't reasons to not have one.

[pff]

why the altum and not chebacco?

[feta99]

Beautiful build. The Altum looks like a great bike, although not my first choice for gravel roads. Have there been any reviews on the Altum?