Water Bottles on a carbon CX frame

[Lewis Moon]

I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a carbon CX frame, but the catch is, no water bottle mounts. That's an invitation to death here is AZ. What are some good, non invasive (no drilling, for the time being) mounts for water bottles? Something that will work on tubes that aren't round?

[zennmotion]

I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a carbon CX frame, but the catch is, no water bottle mounts. That's an invitation to death here is AZ. What are some good, non invasive (no drilling, for the time being) mounts for water bottles? Something that will work on tubes that aren't round?

First, it's a cross bike, so no mounts for you! (best Soup Nazi imitation...) Second, I'm from the E Coast- we got hydration here so you get slack. Third, electrical tape is baller. Fourth, God made jersey pockets for a reason, get a good seatbag for the rest of your crap and use your pockets for easy access to humankind's most precious resource. Beer.

Seriously- I have an old 60s era fixie that has no bottle mounts and I'm too vain to mess up the decals with clamped on cages. Other than looking like I'm backwards pregnant with twins, bottles in my jersey pockets are no problem and actually kind of hold the jersey away from my skin on my lower back, so lemons into lemonade and all that. Bottles in your jersey is also Baller. Look it up

[kramnnim]

I'm using a CX frame for long road rides in areas where "Pavement Ends" signs are common. I wrapped a strip of inner tube around the frame tube for protection, then lashed the bottle cage to it with another strip of tube. Ugly, but functions well.

[zennmotion]

I'm using a CX frame for long road rides in areas where "Pavement Ends" signs are common. I wrapped a strip of inner tube around the frame tube for protection, then lashed the bottle cage to it with another strip of tube. Ugly, but functions well.

Yes ^ Do that or just use the rawhide from the animal you chased down and speared with your frame pump for dinner on that last epic ride...

[Lewis Moon]

Maybe I'll go full Tri and mount a couple off my seat...

[FlashUNC]

Maybe I'll go full Tri and mount a couple off my seat...

Only if you want to lose bottles. Those things toss bottles like its their job.

[Lewis Moon]

Only if you want to lose bottles. Those things toss bottles like its their job.

I was kidding....The public humiliation of being seen with those would be physically devastating.

[merlinmurph]

Another frame?

[Idris Icabod]

I'm in AZ too and added a third mount using this:

http://www.amazon.com/SKS-Bottle-Adapter-Mount-Bicycles/dp/B0045HY85M

Works really well, very secure.

[bcroslin]

Maybe I'll go full Tri and mount a couple off my seat...

You don't want to do that unless you don't mind stopping every 100 yards to pick up your bottles. I've got a profile bottle mount on the seat post of my fixed gear and every time I hit a bump the bottles go flying.

I had a similar issue with no water bottle bosses on a carbon Van Dessel and even though I loved the bike I couldn't deal with no water so I ended up selling it. My advice is to buy something you can put a water bottle cage on.

[cp43]

You don't want to do that unless you don't mind stopping every 100 yards to pick up your bottles. I've got a profile bottle mount on the seat post of my fixed gear and every time I hit a bump the bottles go flying.

I had a similar issue with no water bottle bosses on a carbon Van Dessel and even though I loved the bike I couldn't deal with no water so I ended up selling it. My advice is to buy something you can put a water bottle cage on.


I haven't used the Profile version, but I have used an older version of this, with king cages, with good results:

http://xlab-usa.com/turbo-wing.html

It's still not cool, but it kept me hydrated on a 24 hour ride with only one frame mounted cage.

[11.4]

Just for the record, the UCI has just banned all feeds in UCI cross races. Many open questions, but it's going to make more people want bottle cages on their cross bikes, including when racing. Cages may not look quite so odd so you might want to consider more permanent approaches. I've seen a couple frames where a carbon frame builder enhanced the thickness at the bottle mounts with clear fiberglass and clear resin, embedding threaded studs just like on well-done carbon road frames. The clear enhancements were not at all prominent (these were on commercial high end carbon cross frames).

[m_sasso]

A few here http://www.minoura.jp/english/accessory/accessory.html#bottlecageholder

For quick, easy and temporary addition I like these http://www.minoura.jp/english/accessory-e/bh100c-e.html

http://www.minoura.jp/_src/sc7177/bh100c-s_blank2.jpg

http://www.minoura.jp/_src/sc7183/BH100C-S_bike-right.jpg

[eBAUMANN]

find a different frame.

seriously, haha.

the only bikes that shouldnt have h20 mounts are track bikes.
#atmo

i personally shoulder my bike so infrequently during the season that i generally RACE with a partially full bottle for the majority of early season races when its still hot/dry/dusty.

[deechee]

Isn't the problem usually user error?

I had the profile aqua rack (http://www.profile-design.com/product/hydration/aqua-rack/), lost a bottle maybe once? over a few years of doing olympic and half ironmans? Also trained all summer with a xlab sonic wing (http://xlab-usa.com/turbo-wing), only started losing bottles when one of the bolts fell off. Apparently the loc-tite wasn't enough. Once I got new screws, I had zero issues. If anything, I've lost more bottles from my seat-tube bottle cage than my rear carriers.

Back to the OP, seriously check out xlab's mounts. They have a multitude of mounts for the rear, including the rails, and funky seatpost shapes.

Beaker concepts (http://www.beakerconcepts.com/index.php?page=products&pt=BLAZE%20HydroTail&pid=15) has a few different mounts too.

I can't find it now, but there's also a bottle cage that basically looks like someone welded another bottle cage right on top of it so you can have two bottles on top of each other on your down tube. Friend of mine had it on a similar bike with one mount.

[eBAUMANN]

I can't find it now, but there's also a bottle cage that basically looks like someone welded another bottle cage right on top of it so you can have two bottles on top of each other on your down tube. Friend of mine had it on a similar bike with one mount.

This is beyond a bad idea.
Particularly for any bike being ridden off pavement.

Or maybe im misunderstanding your description...photo illustration needed! ;)

[dk2ck]

There's always the ziptie solution! https://instagram.com/p/52lBBfClLV/

[zennmotion]

I am straight up serious with this- I have a roll and sadly have never used it. But I would in a heartbeat if bottle mounts were the only thing between me and carbon gravel bike blissocity.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Scotch-1-88-in-x-10-yds-Batman-Duct-Tape-910-BTM-GIDC/203902116

[zennmotion]

This is beyond a bad idea.
Particularly for any bike being ridden off pavement.

Or maybe im misunderstanding your description...photo illustration needed! ;)

Yes, what he said. Tribike, smooth road training not the same thing atall... hit an unexpected transition from/off gravel into pavement or a bridge seam or something at speed- boing!

[azrider]

the only bikes that shouldnt have h20 mounts are track bikes.
#atmo

approved

[mg2ride]

Find a different frame!

[Lewis Moon]

Took another look at the frame and it actually comes with (at least) down tube water bottle bosses. So I'm good. I can always throw a Two Fish adapter on the round seat tube.

[eBAUMANN]

Took another look at the frame and it actually comes with (at least) down tube water bottle bosses. So I'm good. I can always throw a Two Fish adapter on the round seat tube.

You could also always use a frame bag for longer rides away from civilization.

[bcroslin]

Just for the record, the UCI has just banned all feeds in UCI cross races. Many open questions, but it's going to make more people want bottle cages on their cross bikes, including when racing. Cages may not look quite so odd so you might want to consider more permanent approaches. I've seen a couple frames where a carbon frame builder enhanced the thickness at the bottle mounts with clear fiberglass and clear resin, embedding threaded studs just like on well-done carbon road frames. The clear enhancements were not at all prominent (these were on commercial high end carbon cross frames).

That's going to go over well in races here in the South. The first race here in FL is this weekend and the heat will be unbearable. I won't touch a CX bike until the end of Oct when the temps will be in the low 80's.

[Lewis Moon]

You could also always use a frame bag for longer rides away from civilization.
Here in AZ, you need (basically) a large water bottle every 12 - 15 miles, during high summer.
...and the nice thing about summer: we only have a month and a half left (I kid you not).

[Lewis Moon]

That's going to go over well in races here in the South. The first race here in FL is this weekend and the heat will be unbearable. I won't touch a CX bike until the end of Oct when the temps will be in the low 80's.

My first race is Oct 24th.

[bcroslin]

My first race is Oct 24th.

but it's a dry heat in AZ :)

[nooneline]

the only bikes that shouldnt have h20 mounts are track bikes.
#atmo

funny you should say that...

http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Richard-Sachs-Ballers-Ride-cyclocross-race-bike01.jpg

[eBAUMANN]

funny you should say that...

http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Richard-Sachs-Ballers-Ride-cyclocross-race-bike01.jpg

thats exactly WHY i said it ;)
glad you picked up on it.

i still dont understand why he doesnt just put bottle mounts on em...

a friend had his taped on for d2r2 this year and by the lunch stop they had come loose...luckily they had some duct tape at the stop for a touch up.
PITA

[Lewis Moon]

funny you should say that...

http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Richard-Sachs-Ballers-Ride-cyclocross-race-bike01.jpg

I've seen Richie's mounting technique before. I call it "Neo-don't give a 5#!+"
OK when you own the means of production...

[eBAUMANN]

I call it besmirching the aesthetics of an otherwise gorgeous bike...
but what do i know :rolleyes:

[harrison]

i'll second/third/whathaveyou the richie/ziptie/inner-tube/electrical tape solution as being the cheapest, easiest, most effective.

[eBAUMANN]

The cheapest easiest most effective solution is to buy a frame with bottle mounts. If it's a carbon frame, it's probably not a special snowflake and another one with nearly identical geometry exists out there somewhere with mounts.

Just sayin...

[harrison]

fair point

[kramnnim]

The cheapest easiest most effective solution is to buy a frame with bottle mounts. If it's a carbon frame, it's probably not a special snowflake and another one with nearly identical geometry exists out there somewhere with mounts.

Just sayin...

If you can point to a sub 1kg carbon disc frame for under $600, I'd happily buy it. Until then i'll ride around with my ugly innertubed bottle cage. :hello:

[SpeedyChix]

Elite VIP Universal Bottle Cage Mount Kit, Adjustable Clamp
They'll conform to irregular tube shapes, are under $10 and easy to put on.

[Gummee]

here's a concept: riv-nuts. You know.... just like every other carbon frame uses to mount h2o bottles.

If you're skeered of drilling holes in your frame, a carbon repair place could do em for you for a nominal charge

M

[kramnnim]

here's a concept: riv-nuts. You know.... just like every other carbon frame uses to mount h2o bottles.

If you're skeered of drilling holes in your frame, a carbon repair place could do em for you for a nominal charge

M

Rivnuts were my first thought. http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=155361

I should find somewhere to buy the Rivnuts and install them, but the ugly strap has been working fine and I have too many other things to do.

[93legendti]

I'm in AZ too and added a third mount using this:

http://www.amazon.com/SKS-Bottle-Adapter-Mount-Bicycles/dp/B0045HY85M

Works really well, very secure.

I just picked up one of these for my fat bike. Thanks for the tip.

[morrisericd]

I just had my Wilier Carbon Cross's seat tube drilled and Rivnutted (is that even a word) by my LBS. Cost me $40. I have every tool known to man and make my living building things. It was worth the $40 for the piece of mind. Turned out great. I couple of hundred miles on it so far and no issues whatsoever.