Andy win the Giro on a Landshark?

[shinomaster]

I was told by a local dealer today Andy Hampsten raced on a Landshark Huffy and not a Serotta built Huffy...Any truth to this?

[stevep]

ask his bro

[Lanternrouge]

I was told by a local dealer today Andy Hampsten raced on a Landshark Huffy and not a Serotta built Huffy...Any truth to this?

That's what I've heard.

[chrisroph]

Yup, well known Andy's sled was a landshark. He had the guts, the motor, and a great bike.

[Steve Hampsten]

What Christoph said: Andy won the Giro on a LandShark, one of John Slawta's finest. The rest of the team rode Serottas; all of them were labeled "Huffy".

The reason why Andy didn't ride a team bike escapes me.

That bike is under an old futon somewhere, last I heard, needing only two "correct" wheels to be fully restored.

[shinomaster]

Neato...maybe I should get a Landshark.

[Johny]

Neato...maybe I should get a Landshark.

no you should get a trek.

[shinomaster]

no you should get a trek.

why?

[NAHBS]

I thought everyone knew this....btw, Landshark was at NAHBS showing some seriously wild paint (as he is known for!)

DW

[Johny]

why?trek won 1 Giro and 7 Tour.

[rnhood]

John Slawta is a real artist. His bikes often remind me of Darios as they both are very artistically conceived. The paint scheme on each one is unique in itself. I have seen several of his bikes and frames in Cycles de Oro in Greensboro and they really look nice. The last time I was in the store the two people working in the service department that day each owned one. They brought them out for me to see and indeed, they looked so very nice. I understand John is espcially attune with building big bikes for big guys - maybe because he is a big guy himself.

[Fixed]

trek won 1 Giro and 7 Tour.
bro sorry bikes don't do nothing without great riders . ...i.m.h.o.
cheers

[Johny]

bro sorry bikes don't do nothing without great riders . ...i.m.h.o.
cheers
agreed cheers

[shinomaster]

trek doesn't make custom frames either...unless your Lance.

[BBB]

And not even then according to the propaganda.

[Big Dan]

Give me the Shark, you can have the Trek and the 7 TDF's.... :p

[chrisroph]

Neato...maybe I should get a Landshark.

A landshark would be a great steel bike for you. You would love the way it would ride compared to that teethrattler you've been pedaling.

I ran into Lance Coffell tonight on old river road. He was on his beautiful single speed landshark and was saying how much he likes riding it although he's got a dogmama coming in as his new racing sled.

See you tomorrow. I'm riding steel.

[Headwinds]

...The reason why Andy didn't ride a team bike escapes me....

John told me a long time ago that Andy rode the Shark instead of the Serotta because John was able to deliver a lighter, more responsive bike than Serotta could at that time. The bike was built with Tange (Japanese tubes), which was a much better tube than what Serotta was using at the time, the "shovel grade" True Temper.

I have ridden a number of Sharks in the past. Most of them have been really great bikes and for the most part, lighter than any steel Serotta I've ever ridden. However, Serottas have some kind "flavor" to them, that is hard to emulate, no matter how heavy they are.... That is why I consider most Serottas as "keepers", while others are just seasonal bikes.

Now, if you Shino, are on a potter's budget, I can assure you that a Shark is the way to go!

Cheers!

[shinomaster]

Russ...this person was telling me that the "Murry" bikes that 7-11 were on were breaking and that is why he went with a Shark.. Lighter sounds better.

[Serotta_Andrew]

Pascal Richard won the 96 Olympics on a Legend Ti painted as a Coppi... There are many other frames Serotta has sent to Europe un painted... this is not un common

[Johny]

Russ...this person was telling me that the "Murry" bikes that 7-11 were on were breaking and that is why he went with a Shark.. Lighter sounds better.

I've read similar stories. Eventually the team went to Eddy and no broken Merckx frames after the switch.

[dbrk]

Pascal Richard won the 96 Olympics on a Legend Ti painted as a Coppi... There are many other frames Serotta has sent to Europe un painted... this is not un common

Hence, "Pascal Gold" a color when used with a plain black decal makes a Serotta look...well...so beautiful and simple and correct, you wanna cry 'cauuse bikes like that are cry-worthy and smile-worthy at the same time. provo. ml.

dbrk

[Serotta_Andrew]

I've read similar stories. Eventually the team went to Eddy and no broken Merckx frames after the switch.


O.K., we are talking about Pro bikes here.. one does not hear about how many frames are cracked or broken in the peloton. There is no bike manufacture or anything bike related that has not had a failure in the peloton.

[Smiley]

Fixed keeps breaking his C-Dale :)

[e-RICHIE]

Russ...this person was telling me that the "Murry" bikes that 7-11 were on were breaking and that is why he went with a Shark.. Lighter sounds better.

two things - and i expect to alienate someone,
although that is not my intent atmo...

1) if anything in fact did break back then, it was due to
the tubing. i was an early true temper tubing user and
they sponsored my team for years. the heat treated stuff
from that era was fraught with problems. many of the 7-11
frames were rcx seat-tubed. for lack of a better way to explain
it (since i'm not an engineer, yet i can measure 3mm quite
easily), the metallurgy of that tubing was wound too tight.
it was the least ductile stuff i ever saw, and had the lowest
elongation factor that i'm aware of. if anything broke, it was
due to these facts, not because of the frame maker. true temper
was a team supplier. serotta may have unwittingly used
pipeage that should not yet have been in the marketplace.
maybe they knew and made a stand against it but were
stonewalled* by the team suits that said to "use the stuff
that the sponsors give us". there are alot of maybes. i would
blame the bike maker last, or not at all, based on what i know
about the material.
2) on the heels of some of the posts in the Serotta Web page (http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=17298)
thread, i think the tone of some posts here are far more counterproductive
to serotta as a host, than some/many of the threads in which other competitor
brands are named and discussed.

* not a reference to that stonewall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots) yo.

[catulle]

provo. ml.

dbrk

Er, shhhhh, we gotta keep a low profile, Doc. Some bros are in deep doodoo nowdays (CNN, Fox, et al...). It's 01110000 01110010 01101111 01110110 01101111 for the time being, atmo.

[Headwinds]

two things - and i expect to alienate someone,
although that is not my intent atmo...

1) if anything in fact did break back then, it was due to
the tubing.

So, I guess, this corroborates John Slawta's story... However, guys, remember that the "official" team bike sponsor was Huffy, not Serotta. So as long as the bike had Huffy decals, no one was going to make a big fuss about this. And True Temper? Do you think they would have complained since Andy won the Giro and the bike did have TT decals on it? I doubt it.

By the way, I am no Andy Hampsten, but I have ridden LandSharks (as Colnagos) and Serottas (as Orbea) when I raced as an amateur on the other side of the Atlantic... This was a very common thing to do in pro and amateur cycling up until the late 90's.

[e-RICHIE]

So, I guess, this corroborates John Slawta's story...

By the way, I am no Andy Hampsten, but I have ridden LandSharks (as Colnagos) and Serottas (as Orbea) when I raced as an amateur on the other side of the Atlantic... This was a very common thing to do in pro and amateur cycling up until the late 90's.


which side is the other side of the atlantic atmo?

[cydewaze]

bro sorry bikes don't do nothing without great riders . ...i.m.h.o.
cheers
Rats! No wonder my Trek won't get out of its own way. :(

[Headwinds]

which side is the other side of the atlantic atmo?

That's a secret for now.... I don't want the ex-sponsors to find out what bikes I was really riding! ;) :)

[Fixed]

bro phinney did pretty good on his serotta . i.m.h.o.

[Headwinds]

bro phinney did pretty good on his serotta . i.m.h.o.

Yo fixed... On which side of the Atlantic? I heard he broke a couple with the TT tubing!

[shinomaster]

I hope no one thinks that I think Serotta bikes break or are poorly constructed. I think they are quite safe and sturdy. Pro bikes are often unique and lighter, or experimental so they be more likely to break under the rigors of pro racing. atmo.

[Johny]

I hope no one thinks that I think Serotta bikes break or are poorly constructed. I think they are quite safe and sturdy. Pro bikes are often unique and lighter, or experimental so they be more likely to break under the rigors of pro racing. atmo.

No, you're good. You just made a mistake of not starting the thread title with "Pascal Richard won the Olympics on a Serotta?" :)

[Redturbo]

two things - and i expect to alienate someone,
although that is not my intent atmo...

1) if anything in fact did break back then, it was due to
the tubing. i was an early true temper tubing user and
they sponsored my team for years. the heat treated stuff
from that era was fraught with problems. many of the 7-11
frames were rcx seat-tubed. for lack of a better way to explain
it (since i'm not an engineer, yet i can measure 3mm quite
easily), the metallurgy of that tubing was wound too tight.
it was the least ductile stuff i ever saw, and had the lowest
elongation factor that i'm aware of. if anything broke, it was
due to these facts, not because of the frame maker. true temper
was a team supplier. serotta may have unwittingly used
pipeage that should not yet have been in the marketplace.
maybe they knew and made a stand against it but were
stonewalled* by the team suits that said to "use the stuff
that the sponsors give us". there are alot of maybes. i would
blame the bike maker last, or not at all, based on what i know
about the material.
2) on the heels of some of the posts in the Serotta Web page (http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=17298)
thread, i think the tone of some posts here are far more counterproductive
to serotta as a host, than some/many of the threads in which other competitor
brands are named and discussed.

* not a reference to that stonewall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots) yo.

Does true temper have a similar problem with the S3 stuff? I saw a cracked frame this weekend at a race. I know the bike had never been crashed.

[David Kirk]

Yo fixed... On which side of the Atlantic? I heard he broke a couple with the TT tubing!

I don't think that is true. I know Alexi broke a softride but I think the only other was a bike that was crashed very hard.

Dave

[e-RICHIE]

Does true temper have a similar problem with the S3 stuff? I saw a cracked frame this weekend at a race. I know the bike had never been crashed.


for reasons related to my anecdote, i ceased
using true temper in the late 80s atmo.

[CPP]

Sorry,
what does atmo. mean?
CP

[roman meal]

avoiding temper material origins

[e-RICHIE]

Sorry,
what does atmo. mean?
CP

atmo redux redux redux
http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=202842&postcount=5

[William]

http://www.landsharkoz.com/images/gallery/misc/landshark.jpg

http://ultrawarp.com/chevy/cards/landshark.jpg

http://www.landsharkbicycles.com/images/Gallery/Schindler_1.jpg

http://files.dogster.com/pix/dogs/10/161910/161910_1128137358_3.jpg

[zeroking17]

atmo redux redux redux
http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=202842&postcount=5

What's the estimated lifespan of "atmo"? Are we there yet? When we can expect a new-and-improved acronymic creation?


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[William]

What's the estimated lifespan of "atmo"? Are we there yet? When we can expect a new-and-improved acronymic creation?


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[lnomalley]

that is my friend peter's bike. he mainly rides a parlee of the same dimensions..he is as strong as a 50 something guy can be and not be a racer anymore (lean and scary legs) i have a ton of respect for the guy on the bike.... the landshark is nice and light for steel. in real life the paint job is gag inducing. someone (yes we know who that someone is) has been hitting the bong a little longer than he should in the old paint booth.
welding and tube selection are not impaired but tha' painting is for sure mind altering.

[e-RICHIE]

What's the estimated lifespan of "atmo"? Are we there yet? When we can expect a new-and-improved acronymic creation?


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gmafbh

[William]

gmafbh

That would be boofa.


William

[Keith A]

lnomalley -- Interesting note about the paint as from the picture posted, it looks very nice. So why doesn't your friend put many miles on his Landshark compared to his Parlee?

Especially when he had this to say about the bike...."Peter Schindler's Steel/Carbon Land Shark weighs under 17 pounds, including pedals!
"Over the last 30 years of cycling, I have owned 27 bikes. This is my favorite."

[zeroking17]

gmafbh


10-4 good buddy.


.

[Keith A]

William, I have good sources that tell me that he rode this one...

http://www.kondorink.com/images/shark.jpg

[William]

William, I have good sources that tell me that he rode this one...



:cool:

I guess he didn't feel that the extra couple hundred grams the little doll added were much of a drag on the mountain stages. Take note weight weenies! :fight:


William ;)

[Keith A]

Hey, someone else has some curvy lines that remind me of another builder that is often discussed around here...

http://www.landsharkbicycles.com/images/Gallery/Alison_1.jpg

[Keith A]

And check out the name on this top tube (more images here (http://www.landsharkbicycles.com/Gallery/Leipheimer.html)) ...

http://www.landsharkbicycles.com/images/Gallery/leipheimer2.jpg

[zeroking17]

Regardless of who made the bike on which Hampsten won the '88 Giro, Andy has always been one of my cycling heroes. Most of us remember how he survived the Passo Gavia that year; the story is legend.

However, I also remember him earlier in his career when he rode the Tour for LaVie Claire in the long shadows cast by Hinault and Lemond. I'd be thrilled to ride on one of Hampsten's Cinghiale-sponsored bike tours and hear about the behind-the-scenes Hinault-Lemond machinations. Anybody here done this?


...

[e-RICHIE]

I'd be thrilled to ride on one of Hampsten's Cinghale-sponsored bike tours and hear about the behind-the-scenes Hinault-Lemond machinations. Anybody here done this?

it's on my to-do list.

[Grant McLean]

Who ordered the "candy-gram"?

http://ultrawarp.com/chevy/snl/land%20shark.jpg


g

[catulle]

Hey, someone else has some curvy lines that remind me of another builder that is often discussed around here...

http://www.landsharkbicycles.com/images/Gallery/Alison_1.jpg


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[e-RICHIE]

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[dave thompson]

Hey, someone else has some curvy lines that remind me of another builder that is often discussed around here...

http://www.landsharkbicycles.com/images/Gallery/Alison_1.jpg
Hey, someone stole my elastomers!

[Grant McLean]

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[e-RICHIE]

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[catulle]

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[Proxy]

I'd be thrilled to ride on one of Hampsten's Cinghiale-sponsored bike tours and hear about the behind-the-scenes Hinault-Lemond machinations. Anybody here done this?
...

I am leaving 2 weeks from today..
http://www.cinghiale.com/tours/hiddentreasures.htm
good times.

[Keith A]

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[Keith A]

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[Keith A]

http://www.creativecycleworks.com/images/Omega/omega2.jpg

[Climb01742]

a forum is a terrible thing to waste.

[YO!!!]

Several years ago I saw one of Andy's Merckx rigs in the backroom of
a bike shop. I convinced the owner to contact Andy and verify it's
authenticity. Andy verified it was one of his race frames. I remember
there being quite a difference in the seat tube versus the top tube
dimension. Plans are to one day rebuild with the correct gear and
put it on display.

[Headwinds]

....I remember there being quite a difference in the seat tube versus the top tube dimension. Plans are to one day rebuild with the correct gear and put it on display.

Yo, that's pro bike geometry, bro.... Long TT lenght in comparison to ST lenght.

[jmewkill]

I did the Sonoma trip with Andy last year. 8 days of riding, eating, drinking, and no family obligations - heaven. As for Andy himself, very nice unassuming guy. We asked him a few times about the euro por days and got some good answers. But what made the trip was that he just liked to ride a bike, and was very good at it, still.

I'm itching to get back and ride Tuscany one day when the wife isn't looking.

And Steve/Andy say hey y'all to Rob for Craig and me.

Cheers,
Jim