Need to vent: Vittoria Open Corsa CX flats

[bcroslin]

On the advice on some folks here on the forum I bought a set of Vittoria Open Corsa CX tires when they were on sale somewhere a while back and IMO these things are garbage. I had my 3rd flat tonight and I've been on these crappy things less than 2 weeks. I never over inflate my tires and check them before every ride. My rear tire looks terrible with lots of little slices everywhere. Never again.

I've ridden Michelin Pro's for years and never had issues with flats like this. :crap:

[buldogge]

Sorry to hear.

Send them to me for proper disposal...

-Mark in St. Louis

[Cicli]

Bummer.

Must not be the tire for your area. They last here up tomthe point the threads show.
Thats too bad, they are a nice tire with a good ride.

[rccardr]

I feel your pain. Have ridden them for years but maybe this winter they didn't do such a great job of cleaning the roads or something.

Wound up with a series of flats and switched to the slightly lower level Rubino Pro III series in size 25. 150 TPI instead of 320, but same great ride (or at least that's what my butt tells me) but not a single flat. Less expensive too.

[witcombusa]

Have them in 700 x 25 on several of my bikes.

LOVE them

No issues with flats at all. :beer:

[hainy]

Not my experience. Love them and the CG's

Unless you have very bad roads with lots of glass it sounds to me you have just a had a run of flats. They tend to come in bunches and then a good run. i shouldn't say this but can't remember my last flat on them

[Bstone]

I ride mine with multiple cuts. They still hold together until the threads are showing.

Best ride going.

[makoti]

On the advice on some folks here on the forum I bought a set of Vittoria Open Corsa CX tires when they were on sale somewhere a while back and IMO these things are garbage. I had my 3rd flat tonight and I've been on these crappy things less than 2 weeks. I never over inflate my tires and check them before every ride. My rear tire looks terrible with lots of little slices everywhere. Never again.

I've ridden Michelin Pro's for years and never had issues with flats like this. :crap:

Talk about timely... I have been searching here looking at what tires I want to try, and these were on the list. I remember having a similar experience with their tubs, but that was ages ago. Maybe the Paves would be a better bet.

[Bruce K]

Besides my sympathies I have one word for you...

Clemente

;)

BK

[fuzzalow]

Yeah, no denying the fragility of those tires. I use 'em, I like 'em and they can be exasperating like a habit you think you can't do without. Until it drives you to the point where you gladly CAN do without.

An Open Corsa handles anything in the roadway as shrapnel. The only good thing is the beads are so loose the tire peels off the rim like a tubular. Anytime I've tried to use the rear tire past about halfway through the tread then the punctures come hot 'n' heavy. That tire is a metaphoric Italian mistress.

[aramis]

I've run over a half crushed bottle with mine and was fine. One flat over last 1k miles but that's it. They seem fine to me. Couldn't pay me to ride michelins.

[BumbleBeeDave]

. . . and then switched to Michelin Pro 3/4. I've noticed that while the Michelins have softer rubber and get squared off quicker, they seem FAR less prone to small cuts than the Vittorias. The end result is fewer flats. Not sorry I gave up the Open Corsas.

But to be fair, I also got a pair of Vittoria Rubino Pros in 25mm for free from their rep at Battenkill last year and they are still hardly worn at all and have no evidence of the same cuts that seemed to plague the Open Corsas.

BBD

[Lovetoclimb]

I highly recommend the Paves over the Open Corsas. Am I correct in comparing the Open Corsas to the Conti GP4000s and the Paves to the Conti 4 Seasons? One being much more puncture resistant and higher mileage durability than the other ...

[oldguy00]

Conti GP4000S with latex tubes. Fast, smooth and good puncture resistance.
A favorite combination of the slowtwitch crowd, who are completely anal about getting the best compromise of speed and flat protection!

[bicycletricycle]

Tires are so crazy, just seems like luck is the only way to explain the comically large gap between people's experiences.

If mostly subscribe to the "ain't broke why fix it" philosophy when it comes to tires.

Conversely

If I get multiple flats in quick succession on a tire I will rarely ever use that model again. I hate flats.

Chuck those Vittorias!!!

[r_mutt]

you can't compare the Pro 4 and the Open Corsa. i use the Pro 4 for everyday riding, the Open Corsa for race day, and the Pave for winter/spring. I've had pretty good luck with the Open Corsa, but I only race it 4-6 times a month in the warmer months. The ride quality is so much better than the Pro 4, but the Pro 4 has better flat resistance.

[jimoots]

I have found that Open Corsa's are bad for flats for the first 100-200km when new.

Then they go well on the rear for 2000-3000km before having major issues with flats. The front lasts probably another 1500km.

I don't know why it is the case that they're bad initially, but it's happened to me with four different tyres. I just know to expect it now.

That said they are not a particularly robust tyre but I ride gravel etc with them and get the occasional flat, one every 1000km or so if I had to average it out. To put that in perspective, with Conti GP4000s I could go 5000km without a flat... But I like the Vitt's so I deal with it.

[Jaq]

Tires are so crazy, just seems like luck is the only way to explain the comically large gap between people's experiences.

If mostly subscribe to the "ain't broke why fix it" philosophy when it comes to tires.

Conversely

If I get multiple flats in quick succession on a tire I will rarely ever use that model again. I hate flats.

Chuck those Vittorias!!!

This.

I've glued up new sew-ups only to flat at the end of the driveway. Fixed 'em and flatted again. Other times, I've ridden sew-ups till they're raw. Recently I bought a SS with clinchers. Initially, I got four flats in two weeks. Since then, I've had a long stretch of great riding, on the same roads and riding more.

Cheap tires mightn't be a great idea, but after maybe 40 bucks for clinchers and 50 for sew ups, it's just luck.

[bshell]

This is all very scientific.

[false_Aest]

The thing about nice tires is that they're like, you know, like, nice supple, and like, you know, light weight, and like for racing and ····.

I'm just glad that your tires aren't like my condoms dude. Cuz I'd probably suggest you use Armadillos and I'd probably be a porn star.

Also, proper sample sizes were invented by the DEVIL!

[dustyrider]

This thread reminded me I need to start tracking down a set of these in 25c.
They're not easily found last time I looked...

[oldpotatoe]

you can't compare the Pro 4 and the Open Corsa. i use the Pro 4 for everyday riding, the Open Corsa for race day, and the Pave for winter/spring. I've had pretty good luck with the Open Corsa, but I only race it 4-6 times a month in the warmer months. The ride quality is so much better than the Pro 4, but the Pro 4 has better flat resistance.

Agree

Even Michelin sums it up well, "The MICHELIN PRO4 ENDURANCE tire is the best offer for a cyclosport usage with a BETTER anti-flats protection, an important mileage and an excellent grip", (my bold).

Whereas Vittoria Open CX is really a race day tire. Vittoria, "For many sporting riders, folding tyres of around 150 TPI are a good all-round compromise of weight, rolling resistance, durability, and comfort. A higher TPI brings the benefit of lower weight and rolling resistance, but at a penalty to durability"., My bold again.

yes, yes, I know it's market-speak but IMHO, it is apples and oranges. Compare the Michelin Pro 4 to the Rubino Pro from Vittoria.

[jmal]

I tried one iteration of the Open Corsas many years ago and thought they were the best riding clincher ever. That is, when I wasn't on the side of the road fixing a flat. I had previously been using a Conti Grand Prix something or other and never had flats. This was over a decade ago so I don't remember the model specifics. These days I use Rubino Pro Slicks and they are fine. More supple than Contis and no flats. I no longer think about ride quality because I'm usually dragging my overweight body slowly up a climb where that is the last thing on my mind.

[fuzzalow]

This is all very scientific.

This thread is not a sample survey, it is a commiseration.

[bcroslin]

Agree

Even Michelin sums it up well, "The MICHELIN PRO4 ENDURANCE tire is the best offer for a cyclosport usage with a BETTER anti-flats protection, an important mileage and an excellent grip", (my bold).

Whereas Vittoria Open CX is really a race day tire. Vittoria, "For many sporting riders, folding tyres of around 150 TPI are a good all-round compromise of weight, rolling resistance, durability, and comfort. A higher TPI brings the benefit of lower weight and rolling resistance, but at a penalty to durability"., My bold again.

yes, yes, I know it's market-speak but IMHO, it is apples and oranges. Compare the Michelin Pro 4 to the Rubino Pro from Vittoria.

Good to know. I normally ride the Pro 4 service course or whatever they're calling the top Pro 4 and I never have issues with flats. And honesty these Vittorias don't ride any better than the Michelins.

I ordered a set of Pro 4s last night and they'll be on my bike tomorrow.

[Hank Scorpio]

Seeing as this thread is all over the place I will throw in that I just ordered a pair of the new Bontrager 320 tires with the skinwall.

So I got that goin for me.

[bobswire]

Agree

Even Michelin sums it up well, "The MICHELIN PRO4 ENDURANCE tire is the best offer for a cyclosport usage with a BETTER anti-flats protection, an important mileage and an excellent grip", (my bold).

Whereas Vittoria Open CX is really a race day tire. Vittoria, "For many sporting riders, folding tyres of around 150 TPI are a good all-round compromise of weight, rolling resistance, durability, and comfort. A higher TPI brings the benefit of lower weight and rolling resistance, but at a penalty to durability"., My bold again.

yes, yes, I know it's market-speak but IMHO, it is apples and oranges. Compare the Michelin Pro 4 to the Rubino Pro from Vittoria.

Rubino Pro Tech 28c are my go-to all rounder tire, T-serv (panaracer) are my city mean street tire, vittoria pave are saved for the open road.

[witcombusa]

Agree

Even Michelin sums it up well, "The MICHELIN PRO4 ENDURANCE tire is the best offer for a cyclosport usage with a BETTER anti-flats protection, an important mileage and an excellent grip", (my bold).

Whereas Vittoria Open CX is really a race day tire. Vittoria, "For many sporting riders, folding tyres of around 150 TPI are a good all-round compromise of weight, rolling resistance, durability, and comfort. A higher TPI brings the benefit of lower weight and rolling resistance, but at a penalty to durability"., My bold again.





Wow! I run my 700 x 25's @ 80psi front, 85psi rear. Perfect!

[jmal]

Wow! I run my 700 x 25's @ 80psi front, 85psi rear. Perfect!

That's TPI, threads per inch, not PSI.

[deechee]

Like the OP, I've had bad luck with Open Corsas AND Pavé clinchers. I didn't find the Pavé any more cut resistant at ALL. But I love them both. I run them on the rear but never in the springtime. Michelin Pro4/Panracer A in front.

I noticed my tubular was wearing down and I was tempted to get the Open Corsa tub but defaulted back to the Conti Competition. That tire has been pretty bulletproof for me so why change. Time to order some Veloflex Carbons...

[bcroslin]

Wow! I run my 700 x 25's @ 80psi front, 85psi rear. Perfect!

I ride in the 100-105 psi range with all of my tires and generally don't have issues. I've always felt that over inflating tires to their limits is what causes flats.

[Shortsocks]

I really like the CX III's. I would love if the SC's were available often for the same price as Pro Race 3's or CX's on sale. I would be happy forever with that tire. :rolleyes:

SC's are So SO expensive, plush, fast, excelerating and doesn't last for ·····...

[campy man]

I'm having very good luck with a recent switch to Vittoria tires after riding Michelin tires for years.

I always felt the Michelin tires cut easy but did not puncture until the end of their life ... good tires.

Started with the Rubino Pro and currently riding Open Pave CG(27mm). My roads are typically filled with a mixed bag of broken pavement, glass and debris from auto accidents on local city streets ... somewhat surprised a 320tpi tire would be this durable.

Hard to imagine another tire riding any better than Vittoria.

[RobJ]

Like the OP, I've had bad luck with Open Corsas AND Pavé clinchers. I didn't find the Pavé any more cut resistant at ALL. But I love them both. I run them on the rear but never in the springtime. Michelin Pro4/Panracer A in front.

I noticed my tubular was wearing down and I was tempted to get the Open Corsa tub but defaulted back to the Conti Competition. That tire has been pretty bulletproof for me so why change. Time to order some Veloflex Carbons...

Ditto on the Pave's. Thought these would be my go to for early spring, crappy roads. A nice supple tire with resistance to the junk. No dice. Had a brand new one slit the sidewall on nothing majorly identifiable. Plus issue with another flatting. Switched over to the GP 4 Season's and not one single issue. Ordered a set of 28's for road tire for my cross bike. See how that goes. Giving Veloflex Arenbergs a shot on my tubbies.

[OtayBW]

No problems with flatting on the Vittoria Open Corsa CX, but the tread life is low. I've pretty much switched over to Veloflex Master or Corsa with no compromise in ride quality, and better tread life. :hello:

[11.4]

It's already been said. Tires are a bit of a crapshoot. Call it seasonal variation in road conditions, user error, whatever, I go years without flats, then nothing but flats for a couple months, then no problems again.

I find little things make for patterns: One broken beer bottle down my street was crushed to tiny shards, but it left splinters that punctured tires every time I rolled out for about two months. Then there was the time I was riding in the early morning and wasn't as awake and didn't have the bright light to see glass and avoid it -- flats every other ride. Springtime after roads had been sanded, and much of the sand was very problematic for tires. Then after the roads got swept to remove the sand, and the sweeper trucks brought up all the glass buried in the cracks of the asphalt from the previous year. Sometimes I just was preoccupied and riding right through glass that I should have seen. It takes all kinds.

No question an Open Corsa is a lighter tire. Pure race tire? Not necessarily. An Evo Pista is pretty close to a pure race tire, but I've ridden Veloflex Records and gotten 1500 miles out of a rear without a puncture. If you get a decent price on an Open Corsa and you get, say, 1000 miles on a rear versus 1500 miles on a GP4000, but you like the ride better, then that's your answer. Enjoy the tire just like you enjoy a good bike. The only time I've ever had sidewall problems was with Conti GP4000's, and I had five sliced sidewalls in two months. Go figure. Definitely my fault and not the tires', but I got very experienced with a new use for twenty dollar bills.

I'd say that if you bought a nice bike, you should be able to ride a nice tire. If you're having flatting problems, try to see if you do something wrong. I rode for a while in a very fast group in 28 mph pacelines, and nobody signaled anything short of a missing manhole cover. So I rode through lots of glass, wire staples, metallic auto trim bits, drywall screws, you name it, and I got lots of flats. Sometimes it's a newly paved piece of road or a piece of concrete bike trail that has chronic broken glass. These tires ARE sensitive to that kind of thing, so it's worth making some riding decisions before you go to clunky tires. I haven't seen a tire yet that really protected against flats and other damage that didn't ride like ····. I'd definitely think about going to as big a tire as your bike has clearance for and then lowering the pressure. That helps when you do hit problems. Some people disdain it, but I grew up brushing off tires lightly (at least to check for anything stuck on the tread) and I do think it helps. And I just automatically check tires when there's a water or potty stop. I get fewer flats than most ... knock on wood ... and that's perhaps because I make a point of caring for my tires more than most. I still get the same riding and the same enjoyment from a ride, more even because I don't flat as much. Call it professional skills. How do you think a TdF peloton can ride 100 mi through mobs of drunk dutchmen and have few or no flats?

The Open Corsa isn't a bad tire, it can be had for a very good price, and at the right pressure it rolls like silk. I'd say to stick with them, start figuring out why you're flatting, and fix that problem.

[stephenmarklay]

No problems with flatting on the Vittoria Open Corsa CX, but the tread life is low. I've pretty much switched over to Veloflex Master or Corsa with no compromise in ride quality, and better tread life. :hello:

Well I went the other way on my race bike and mounted them for a Gran Fondo this weekend. I do love the Veloflex so I won稚 hesitate to go back.

Hopefully I don稚 have issues but we do have neutral wheel support :)

BTW I rode 27 paves on a dirt fond with no issue.

[HenryA]

Panaracer Type D

http://www.panaracer.com/road.php#race_type_d

Bomb proof and rides nice.
They also make lighter less armored versions. The Type A is more supple with a lighter sidewall and the Type L must be even lighter (never rode those).

Amazon generally has them, and they are pretty inexpensive.

[Waldo]

On the advice on some folks here on the forum I bought a set of Vittoria Open Corsa CX tires when they were on sale somewhere a while back and IMO these things are garbage. I had my 3rd flat tonight and I've been on these crappy things less than 2 weeks. I never over inflate my tires and check them before every ride. My rear tire looks terrible with lots of little slices everywhere. Never again.

I've ridden Michelin Pro's for years and never had issues with flats like this. :crap:

I had the same experience in CA. Two flats in the first two rides and off they came.

[Fivethumbs]

So I got that goin for me.

Props for the Caddyshack reference.

[shinomaster]

I ride mine with multiple cuts. They still hold together until the threads are showing.

Best ride going.

ME too. I just tossed one that was 7 years old!

[eBAUMANN]

If they have a bunch of cuts in them, it's because the roads you are riding are covered in crap, which means you probably shouldn't be riding super high tpi/lightweight tires to begin with, as these tires were designed for RACING only, technically speaking. That said, many of us use race spec stuff on our daily rides but we do so understanding the trade offs incurred in doing so.

For example - there is great risk in riding long distances unsupported on tubular tires, and yet a good amount of folks here swear by tubies because they find the ride quality to be superior. Chance of getting stranded vs ride quality, a trade off.

Same goes for ALL open tubular tires. They are minimal tires with a focus on ride quality over all else. Unless you ride on perfectly swept roads, you will likely get a flat at some point. That's the trade off.

If you don't want to flat, there are plenty of option that ride like "frozen garden hoses" or you could try gp4000s which I have had excellent experiences with both from a ride quality and durability perspective, not a bad word to say about em.

[OtayBW]

Well I went the other way on my race bike and mounted them for a Gran Fondo this weekend. I do love the Veloflex so I won稚 hesitate to go back.
Like I said, I've ridden the Vittorias for years and love the ride, but why don't you holler back when you get ~1500 mi on them and let me know what your tread is looking like.

[bcroslin]

ok, this is going to be tough for me but I've got to walk back my comments a little bit. Of the 4 punctures I've had recently, 2 of those were legit punctures but the other two had to do with the inside of my rim. I took a decking screw through my tire a month ago and it destroyed the tube and tire but what I didn't realize is that it also put a small hole in the rim. I saw there was a small hole in the tape but because I'm about to have the wheel rebuilt because of an unrelated issue I didn't think much of replacing the rim tape. After the flat the other night I decided to take the tire off to check it and while I had it off I realized the hole in the rim was larger than I thought. I peeled the rim tape off and low and behold there's a nice little hole in the rim and I think it's large enough for the tube to deform into and rupture. I retaped the rim and I should be good for a few more days until I can throw the hoop away.

So, with that said, jury is still out on the Vittorias.

[stephenmarklay]

Like I said, I've ridden the Vittorias for years and love the ride, but why don't you holler back when you get ~1500 mi on them and let me know what your tread is looking like.

I have no doubt they will wear pretty fast but I already have a flattened rear on my new race bike and it has about 1000 miles on it. That tire is a specialized something or other and not a high end tire. I can wear most tires pretty fast.

Since I ordered my Vittoria tires from the UK they were $33 each. Honesty that is a bargain and if I get 1500 out of the rear its all good.

I do think the Veloflex wears a little better than the Vittoria and will use those more for training.

As a last note I rode that Gran Fondo with the CXç—´ and latex tubes without a hiccup. They really seemed to take the edge off of the stiff carbon wheels too.

Meanwhile a good friend who was riding it had 4 flats. He is also my wheel builder and does that professionally so I would rule out that he was the cause (well certainly non optimal conditions may have not helped when remounting) and a guy he rode with had 2 flats. Sometimes its just the short straw.

For the record I have put new tires on and flatted several times in a row and multiple times in one ride then to have that same tire go for months with no issue.

I am calling the CX a great tire performing as designed.

[Ttx1]

On the advice on some folks here on the forum I bought a set of Vittoria Open Corsa CX tires when they were on sale somewhere a while back and IMO these things are garbage. I had my 3rd flat tonight and I've been on these crappy things less than 2 weeks. I never over inflate my tires and check them before every ride. My rear tire looks terrible with lots of little slices everywhere. Never again.

I've ridden Michelin Pro's for years and never had issues with flats like this. :crap:

Exactly what's happening with the tire *and* tube? Are the little cuts you describe directly related to a tube puncture? If not, where is the tube failure - valve, random? Assume that the tires are clean inside, etc...

I've found that the 320tpi Vittorias are so good that I no longer switch to Paselas for tough rides. I'm presently on the CGIIIs, but overall construction is very similar...

[bcroslin]

You have to read my subsequent posts to get an idea and my mea culpa. With that said, riding in the mountains here in GA yesterday and I got a flat on the front tire while doing 30 mph. Bottom line, if you're going with Vittorias stick with the Pave's. The Open Corsas are too fragile. Me, I'm going back to Michelins.

[bcroslin]

So one last follow up on these tires. I got flat #7 Thursday night and I was done. The rear tire is full of cuts and slices but the front tire looks new. 6 of the 7 flats were on the rear. I rode local roads here in St Pete and roads in N GA including more than 20 miles of gravel. Not a single flat on the gravel rolling at about 80 psi.

I'm happily back on Michelin Pro 4's which IMO are a much better riding tire.

[Shortsocks]

What's so crazy is I ride the Open Corsa CX III's all the time, and I've never had issues with them. Ridden all over the world with them. Handle great, feel wonderful, casual and race tires. They so wear out faster than the GP4000's, but they ride so well.

Btw, great post. I'm sorry you had such issues with them. Been using them for years without a hitch...but I'll 100% shoot back some posts here if I ever have any issues.

[Elefantino]

When people ask me about the best combo of road feel and flat protection I generally steer them to the Pro 3. The Pro 4 SC wears a little too fast for my liking and the Pro 4 Endurance doesn't have the same feel as the Pro 3.

When they ask what the best riding tire is, though, I steer them toward the Open Corsa SC.

[Shortsocks]

When people ask me about the best combo of road feel and flat protection I generally steer them to the Pro 3. The Pro 4 SC wears a little too fast for my liking and the Pro 4 Endurance doesn't have the same feel as the Pro 3.

When they ask what the best riding tire is, though, I steer them toward the Open Corsa SC.

+1 on the Open Corsa SC. With a Latex tube. Plushest best handling riding tire I've ever ridden. It's the closest combo to Crack on Two wheels.

[Charles M]

Sorry to hear.

Send them to me for proper disposal...

-Mark in St. Louis

Yep...

Or me. I run them all the time and have no issues at all.

One of the best tires around.

[ik2280]

Bottom line, if you're going with Vittorias stick with the Pave's.

I'm obsessed with the 27mm Open Paves these days. Thinking about doing all of my training and (and a big chunk of racing) on them. Maybe 28mm GP 4-Seasons in the deep winter.

[bcroslin]

+1 on the Open Corsa SC. With a Latex tube. Plushest best handling riding tire I've ever ridden. It's the closest combo to Crack on Two wheels.

I have friends that swear by the SC's but the CX's aren't everyday tires unless you're riding freshly swept roads. I've never had a tire show so many slices and divots before. The crazy thing is the front tire looks great and I bet they barely have 1000 miles on them.

As far as ride goes, I just think so much of the difference one "feels" with expensive tires is psychological. There is virtually no perceivable difference IMO between the Pro 4 and the Open Pave. If anything, I thought the Vittorias rode like crap for the first few days and almost seemed to wear in and ride a little better but Im just not feeling a huge difference. I even recently bought a set of Conti Gatorskins and at 90-100 psi they feel like every other tire I've tried in the $45-$70 range. There's definitely a difference between the ride of a clincher and a tubular but I'm not buying the whole open tubular thing.

[Shortsocks]

I have friends that swear by the SC's but the CX's aren't everyday tires unless you're riding freshly swept roads. I've never had a tire show so many slices and divots before. The crazy thing is the front tire looks great and I bet they barely have 1000 miles on them.

As far as ride goes, I just think so much of the difference one "feels" with expensive tires is psychological. There is virtually no perceivable difference IMO between the Pro 4 and the Open Pave. If anything, I thought the Vittorias rode like crap for the first few days and almost seemed to wear in and ride a little better but Im just not feeling a huge difference. I even recently bought a set of Conti Gatorskins and at 90-100 psi they feel like every other tire I've tried in the $45-$70 range. There's definitely a difference between the ride of a clincher and a tubular but I'm not buying the whole open tubular thing.

If you don't mind me asking? What's your height and weight? And where those the 23's or 25's, slicks or treaded?

[bcroslin]

5'11" 165 lbs and they were 23's with treads. I never run my tires over about 105 psi and most of the time closer to 100.

[Shortsocks]

Damn. Thanks.

I was trying my damndest to figure out what's going on with your CX's. I'd be royally pissed.

I'm 5'9 128-35 ,depended on the time of year, and I ride the same Tire often. Sometimes 23's sometimes 20's. I feel the 20's climb and react much better than the 23's, and I've never had these type of problems. One thing I've noticed, ,being that these are generally more race day tires, When these tires are starting to get worn around 2000, I have to toss them.

If I have a pair of GP4000's I can get away with a slightly worn tire...but CX's nope. Time To go. I did once have this type of experience with some GP4000s I had, got two pairs And they all sucked. I think they my have been a bad bunch. I was livid.

[MikeD]

Flat resistance of tires is kind of a joke. Goat heads can puncture any tire.

[bcroslin]

Damn. Thanks.

I was trying my damndest to figure out what's going on with your CX's. I'd be royally pissed.

I'm 5'9 128-35 ,depended on the time of year, and I ride the same Tire often. Sometimes 23's sometimes 20's. I feel the 20's climb and react much better than the 23's, and I've never had these type of problems. One thing I've noticed, ,being that these are generally more race day tires, When these tires are starting to get worn around 2000, I have to toss them.

If I have a pair of GP4000's I can get away with a slightly worn tire...but CX's nope. Time To go. I did once have this type of experience with some GP4000s I had, got two pairs And they all sucked. I think they my have been a bad bunch. I was livid.

The thing is if I didn't know any better I would say I got a bad tire because the rear looks like it's been chewed up and spit out yet the front looks almost perfect. I realize most of my weight is over the rear tire but Ive never had a set of tires wear so unevenly.

I'm going to give the front tire to a buddy of mine that loves Vittorias and has loaned me lots of bike parts over the years. He'll be happy to ride it.

[MikeD]

The Open Corsa CX is the best riding tire I've used, which includes the GP4000s. That said, my back tire is looking a little ragged.


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[beeatnik]

I feel your pain. Have ridden them for years but maybe this winter they didn't do such a great job of cleaning the roads or something.

Wound up with a series of flats and switched to the slightly lower level Rubino Pro III series in size 25. 150 TPI instead of 320, but same great ride (or at least that's what my butt tells me) but not a single flat. Less expensive too.

Pro IIIs are legit. Best bang for the buck in tires, especially the 28s.

Scienze:
http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/vittoria-rubino-pro-iii-2014

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Schwalbe
Ironman Tubeless
12.9 W
Vittoria
Open Corsa CX III
13.0 W
Vittoria
Rubino Pro III
13.4 W
Continental
Grand Prix
14.0 W
Schwalbe
Ultremo ZX
14.1 W
Michelin
Pro 4 Endurance v2
14.2 W
Continental
Ultra Sport II
14.3 W
Michelin
Pro 4 Service Course
14.9 W
Vittoria
Zaffiro Slick
15.7 W
Michelin
Lithion 2
15.9 W
Continental
Grand Prix 4 Season
17.2 W

[Ken Robb]

I haven't read all the posts but let me say that I rode them, liked them, did not get flats but...........the treads had LOTS of cuts that did not penetrate the casing. Maybe I was just very lucky about the size of the junk that caused the superficial cuts?

[coneill0422]

I love Vittoria tires, some of the best riding ones out there. I have had Continental GP 4000 S II and Schwalbe One's. Out of Vittoria's line the only way to go is the Pave's or from the looks of it the new Corsa G+ (though they are brand new and haven't ridden on them yet, they are on order though). Had the old corsa and they were good race tires but had knicks in them from everyday riding and didn't last. The Paves are the best, good ride and great long lasting wheel. Do yourself a favor and buy nothing but Vittoria Paves.

[bicycletricycle]

i really like rubino pro III tech tires, heavier but durable.

lightest tires i have had any luck with gran prix 4000 II s


it seems that tires are entirely luck based.

[DHallerman]

i really like rubino pro III tech tires, heavier but durable.


Yes, me too, my new favorites.

Over the past year, I've been running Rubino Pro-Tech tires, both 25s and 28s, on a few bikes.

And they corner well, and don't feel all that heavy to me.

Dave, who notes that perhaps they don't feel all that heavy is because he has only a moderate-power engine on his bicycles