Question about Mavic 357 and Scott aero bars used by Lemond

[jeffreng58]

I found the Mavic 357 aero bars listed online for sale and the seller has a Mavic catalog from 1994 showing the bars specs.
Does anyone know if Mavic sold the 357 aero bars before 1994?
Also I've been looking at footage and photos of Lemond in 1989 Tour de France. I noticed the Scott aero bars were labeled Mavic before the final time trial. Evidence 1 (http://youtu.be/qXK2nhXammc?t=13m12s) and 2 (https://flic.kr/p/bevdg4)
Did Mavic make the aero bars for Lemond and Scott took the marketing rights for it? :confused:
Also, did Scott started sellin these aero bars in 1990 or in 1989 when Lemond won the TDF?
http://velobase.com/CompImages/Handlebars/29EBD790-3BA6-4B15-9D73-3A90C4A42A16.jpeg

[regularguy412]

Completely different bar. Lemond's win was right around the time I started racing. He may have used the Scott bars in your picture sometime later, as he did use the Scott Drop-In bars (UGH!) in a later TdF.

This picture shows a very different setup. He is using Mavic 'Cowhorns' for the base bar and the aero portion is much more rounded, wider and the elbow risers are much higher. The whole setup was Mavic stuff. I think it's not the same bar.

Mike in AR:beer:

[carpediemracing]

The aero bars Lemond used in the Tour were the first gen Scott bars. They had a two bolt clamp, versus the hinge-hook one bolt type. They were also U-shaped one piece, not the two-piece-with-bridge.

I don't have the original in front of me but I'm pretty sure they weren't as long as the bridge type. Shorter length, wider stance, not adjustable. The clamps weren't great, they tended to slip, hence (presumably) the Coke can shims on Lemond's bike. The hinge-hook one was great.

The cowhorn/base-bars were Mavics. Flexy as heck but no one knew better.

I can't remember the stories quite right but I think that the Scott was a prototype or maybe an early production model.

Profile aero bars were already in use that year in the Tour de Trump I think with 7-Eleven. I can't remember. Maybe not. Definitely in triathlons.

[Mike V]

The bars he used were prototypes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/mvstype/07e3ab1271f2bf50a46f19fd7cfb452b.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mvstype/media/07e3ab1271f2bf50a46f19fd7cfb452b.jpg.html)

[foo_fighter]

I still have a set of the second gen as well. I think I got them in 90 or 91. There were some funky bars back them for Tri-athletes like the Dh bar:
http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mXQySI99GyqbKsBkjB-KFGA.jpg
And there there was another bar that was more like diamond.

[Tandem Rider]

I still have a set of the second gen as well. I think I got them in 90 or 91. There were some funky bars back them for Tri-athletes like the Dh bar:
http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mXQySI99GyqbKsBkjB-KFGA.jpg
And there there was another bar that was more like diamond.

I still have a pair of the bars shaped like a diamond somewhere in a box with the pads for under the tape (I thought of a lyre shape). I think they were called 100k's or something like that. That was the intended use anyway, miserable bar to ride. Aero position was the only option, period. I only remember doing one 100k TTT on them and ripping them off the bike for something different.

[carpediemracing]

I still have a pair of the bars shaped like a diamond somewhere in a box with the pads for under the tape (I thought of a lyre shape). I think they were called 100k's or something like that. That was the intended use anyway, miserable bar to ride. Aero position was the only option, period. I only remember doing one 100k TTT on them and ripping them off the bike for something different.

I had them, maybe still do but I doubt it. The last set of bars I actually used were the Scott ones where the two bars come together up front, Lemond used them in the early 90s. Name escapes me. I have them on my bike here:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TbmplkIYLx8/Sw3SSFnf3JI/AAAAAAAACSo/hKoEge35Ri4/s800/bike-nishikiblack.jpg

I recently talked to the then Junior that got my bike (we traded bikes) as he was strong and could actually use a TT bike. He's 30 or something, still has the bike, I'd like to buy it back from him. Prototype disk wheel that used a FiR Alkor rim and a honeycomb support structure.

[jeffreng58]

Completely different bar. Lemond's win was right around the time I started racing. He may have used the Scott bars in your picture sometime later, as he did use the Scott Drop-In bars (UGH!) in a later TdF.

This picture shows a very different setup. He is using Mavic 'Cowhorns' for the base bar and the aero portion is much more rounded, wider and the elbow risers are much higher. The whole setup was Mavic stuff. I think it's not the same bar.

Mike in AR:beer:

The aero bars Lemond used in the Tour were the first gen Scott bars. They had a two bolt clamp, versus the hinge-hook one bolt type. They were also U-shaped one piece, not the two-piece-with-bridge.

I don't have the original in front of me but I'm pretty sure they weren't as long as the bridge type. Shorter length, wider stance, not adjustable. The clamps weren't great, they tended to slip, hence (presumably) the Coke can shims on Lemond's bike. The hinge-hook one was great.

The cowhorn/base-bars were Mavics. Flexy as heck but no one knew better.

I can't remember the stories quite right but I think that the Scott was a prototype or maybe an early production model.

Profile aero bars were already in use that year in the Tour de Trump I think with 7-Eleven. I can't remember. Maybe not. Definitely in triathlons.

The bars he used were prototypes.



It says Mavic on the aero bars.
http://i.imgur.com/Z3ccN7b.jpg

Maybe he was ridin these.
http://i.imgur.com/i0qWfVF.jpg

[tv_vt]

That MAVIC on the aerobars is just a sticker. They were first gen Scott clip-ons. Lemond even brought Boone Lennon over to the Tour in '89 to consult about the clipons and help set them up. Mavic sticker could refer to just about any other component on his bike, since he had a Mavic groupo.

[carpediemracing]

Having sold, used, and chased threads on the Scott bars they're definitely Scott bars. They were even silver, not the nicely painted and finished looking bars on the Lemond TT bike in this thread. The stickers end up on all sorts of stuff - it's like Ambrosio stickers on Spinergy Rev-X wheels for example. For a little while the Scotts and the Profiles were the only game in town.

[David Tollefson]

I had a set of the original Scott clip-on bars. The very first ones came without pads. I made my own out of 4" PVC conduit, lumber straps, pipe clamps, pop-rivets, and blue foam camping pad. That was about 2 years before Lemond used these in the Tour. I got a set of the pads shown above, drilled out the forward bolt hole, and voila -- duplicate set of Lemond's bars. The Mavic clip-on was later by another year plus.

[zap]

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The cowhorn/base-bars were Mavics. Flexy as heck but no one knew better.



The Mavic bullhorn bars were also prone to breaking. Aerosport carbon bullhorn bars had a similar shape but was stiffer and more reliable.

[carpediemracing]

The Mavic bullhorn bars were also prone to breaking. Aerosport carbon bullhorn bars had a similar shape but was stiffer and more reliable.

I won a pair of Aerosport bullhorns in an Interbike business card drawing thing. I remember those being flexible as all heck, to the point that I didn't use them. I never had the Mavics - the only bars I had were Nitto bullhorns (come to think of it I think they were generic Japanese bars, whatever came with the TT bike) and they were/are pretty stiff, I still have it.

I was super intrigued by Aerosport's tall profile rim, aka what's now the norm for carbon rims. I don't remember if they were the first or not, I just remember they offered a 24" rim and no one else did, and I wanted it for my TT bike pictured above.

I couldn't justify the rim and I didn't want to get the bars free for nothing so I bought one of their seat posts. I still have it downstairs somewhere, eventually crushed it a bit through over tightening the clamp.

The not-Nittos are to the left:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TbmplkIYLx8/R7tKPBISzGI/AAAAAAAAAZo/HCyx9PJt3B8/s800/100_2932.JPG

[zap]

Interesting how experiences differ. Wonder if Aerosport changed the design because the one I have is rock solid…….unlike some current Zipp carbon bars. I used the Aerosport bullhorn bars in tt's for many years. Still have them.