XTR Di2 --- Your wallet is crying.

[josephr]

for those of you who said Shimano has nothing new coming for 2015...behold, XTR Di2.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-xtr-m9050-di2-11-speed-triple-groupset/rp-prod127994

Am i the only that that seems to learn more about what/when coming from the British resellers than anywhere else.???

[djg21]

The prices are becoming absurd. Even those with bottomless pocketbooks are going to be reluctant to pay that much for a gruppo. A good MTB built with this stuff will cost close to $10,000. Just how much of this stuff can Shimano sell at these prices?

[Neves]

It out of my tax bracket, but they seem to do well on the road side. Also their boring op reliable mechical set is usually cheaper than the equivalent Sr@m groupset.

[eddief]

just curious.

[Cicli]

just curious.

I don't know, I do know not too many running a triple up front these days. Even on a mountain bike and even though they show it.

[Louis]

My Shimano 9-spd seems to be just fine, thank-you.

[akelman]

I'm sure it works great (or will work great once they deal with the inevitable bugs). Regardless, the price can be explained by the concept of Veblen goods. As long as socio-economic stratification continues on its present course, there will be more and more ultra-luxury items available. Those goods will be out of reach to all but a tiny fraction of consumers, and that's exactly the point.

[akelman]

That said, there's always used!

[jimoots]

I'm sure it works great (or will work great once they deal with the inevitable bugs). Regardless, the price can be explained by the concept of Veblen goods. As long as socio-economic stratification continues on its present course, there will be more and more ultra-luxury items available. Those goods will be out of reach to all but a tiny fraction of consumers, and that's exactly the point.

More simply, isn't this just a case of their being little downward pressure on prices?

The advertised 'RRP' on CRC is exactly the same for Dura Ace 9070 as it is the new XTR 9050. Combined with market saturation effects, there's just a lot of OEM 9070 stuff floating around which has downward pressure on prices.

[vqdriver]

Y'all should read the mtb boards when super record Eps came out. or even super record mechanical for that matter. goes both ways.

[Cat3roadracer]

XTR 8 speed was awesome too.

[guyintense]

XTR 8 speed was awesome too.

Still is.

[gdw]

+1

[miguel]

I for one welcome the robo shifting. I can't wait until I can do a 1x11 fop chariot on a road bike on my old wheels

[cfox]

I'm sure it works great (or will work great once they deal with the inevitable bugs). Regardless, the price can be explained by the concept of Veblen goods. As long as socio-economic stratification continues on its present course, there will be more and more ultra-luxury items available. Those goods will be out of reach to all but a tiny fraction of consumers, and that's exactly the point.

That groupset is not a Veblen good at all. I can guarantee you if Chain Reaction cycles dropped the price by 50% they would sell out in 5 minutes, which is the opposite of a Veblen good (demand rises as price rises). And with the number of units produced by Shimano, I promise you their intention is to sell as many units as possible.

I do, though, agree that high-end cycling doo-dads have gotten absurdly expensive. We are all suffering the effects of economic relativism. Cycling has become more popular amongst an older, wealthier demographic and compared to golf and tennis, with the attendant memberships, lessons, etc., cycling seems "cheap". You can ride the exact bike a pro rides for only 10 grand! I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone justify buying an expensive bike by saying "I can't afford an F1 car, but I can afford the same bike as a pro cyclist!"

[choke]

Eh...my wallet is safe.

But I'm laughing....

[fatallightning]

I have the new mechanical XTR 9000 on my bike, but the likelihood of smashing a $650 derailleur on a rock, branch or whatever detritus just gives me the heebs.

[thirdgenbird]

I feel the same way. When I dumped my zee equipped bike, I laughed. I want to keep off-roading fun.

[Louis]

That groupset is not a Veblen good at all. I can guarantee you if Chain Reaction cycles dropped the price by 50% they would sell out in 5 minutes, which is the opposite of a Veblen good (demand rises as price rises).

I bet you could say this about nearly all "true" Veblen goods. It's just that the folks doing the buying at 50% off aren't the same folks doing the buying at full price.

[cfox]

I bet you could say this about nearly all "true" Veblen goods. It's just that the folks doing the buying at 50% off aren't the same folks doing the buying at full price.

I doubt it; a $300,000 Rolls Royce, $12,000 handbag or a $2,000 bottle of wine isn't moving into another consumption bracket even at 50% off. Anyway, yes, I was being a tad pedantic. That said, I've never thought of fancy bikes as status symbols. The average person cannot distinguish between a $10,000 bike and an $800 bike. That goes against the very nature and point of Veblen goods/status symbols. Their purpose is to show the world how rich you are. On the other hand, anyone can distinguish between a Ferrari and a Hyundai. I really think the driving force behind the bike stuff is the notion/satisfaction of having the "best" at a relatively low price. Very few people can afford the best house, car, girlfriend, whatever...but a "best" bike is within the means of enough people that bike stuff makers can charge higher prices.

I am guilty of the above thinking, but I'm in a super-bike backlash phase at the moment. I just bought a brand new Scott Scale 750 650b mountain bike. All Shimano components, Fox fork, nice frame...for $1,300 (including shipping from Canada!). In other terms, a pretty damn cool mountain bike for the price of one Enve wheel. This will be an exercise in self discipline; other than a Thomson seatpost, I am not allowing myself to upgrade this thing at all. Anyone who catches me has my permission to beat with a pipe.

[oldpotatoe]

for those of you who said Shimano has nothing new coming for 2015...behold, XTR Di2.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-xtr-m9050-di2-11-speed-triple-groupset/rp-prod127994

Am i the only that that seems to learn more about what/when coming from the British resellers than anywhere else.???

I think so. XTR Di2 has been kinda 'out' for a while. Saw some about 2 months ago.

[oldpotatoe]

just curious.

It has the ability to tell it to do 1or2or3 by..and the front der does it's thing w/o any shifter. Shift points can be programed as well. Expensive or not, they will sell all they make.

[Mikej]

If only Lightweight made some 29r wheels...But seriously, I have seen it in person and it operates super bad a$$ -it has a cross shift auto feature that will auto shift if you go big / too big. That said, I cant wait to get the cable operated version.

[ofcounsel]

I really thought about it for my next build (I'm gonna get a Pivot Mach 429SL), but decided to go with SRAM XX1 instead. Once I tried a 1x10 drivetrain set up on my Niner hardtail, I was hooked on ditching the front derailleur.

Unfortunately, I'm too weak and fat to use XTR's 1x11 Di2 set up, as the lowest chaining is a 30T and the largest rear cog is a 40T. As it stands, I would have to use the Di2 2x11 drivetrain to get the range I need (I need a minimum 30T front and 42T rear). I guess Shimano's thinking that the core of 1x11 users are racers or generally very fit folks that can go for hours without touching the granny gears, but in my mind, 1x11 is anyone, even recreational riders like myself that prefer not running the front derailleur. Bummer.

If the rear cassette went to up to a 42T, I'd be totally in on Di2.

[thirdgenbird]

The 2x11 auto shifts the front, probably so well that it basically feels like a 1x system.

It also wouldn't surprise me if you could get larger aftermarket cogs for 1x11 xtr. I'm guessing a 42t shouldn't be a problem considering the current 10spd stuff handles 42 fine despite only offering a 36t.

[fatallightning]

No reason to be locked in to the XTR crank or cassette. I'll let you in on a secret, XTR 9000 will shift and index perfect a Sram XX1 cassette. If you want smaller then a 30t front ring, use a Next SL crank with a DM 28 or 26t. Cheaper and lighter then XTR. This is my setup.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/fatallightning/Mobile%20Uploads/PhotoGrid_1419542124727_zps9b65a707.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/fatallightning/media/Mobile%20Uploads/PhotoGrid_1419542124727_zps9b65a707.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/fatallightning/Mobile%20Uploads/PhotoGrid_1419544154740_zpsd8cefabc.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/fatallightning/media/Mobile%20Uploads/PhotoGrid_1419544154740_zpsd8cefabc.jpg.html)

[ofcounsel]

No reason to be locked in to the XTR crank or cassette. I'll let you in on a secret, XTR 9000 will shift and index perfect a Sram XX1 cassette. If you want smaller then a 30t front ring, use a Next SL crank with a DM 28 or 26t. Cheaper and lighter then XTR. This is my setup.
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Brilliant advice!!! This may be the route I will go then! I was going to get the Next SL crank on the XX1 anyway,as it's on Pivot's spec options. I think I'll just order the Shimano XTR 1X and swap out the crank for a Next SL with a 26T chainring, and that should more than cover me!!!

Brilliant. Thanks again!

[unterhausen]

race face cranks is what my LBS recommends for 1x setups. I like the electronic shifting setups I've tried, but it's not worth the money for me. I really want wireless shifting for my travel bike, but that's about it. And even then I worry about batteries making it past the TSA

[bcroslin]

No thanks but I'll be stoked to run XT DI2 for half that price in a year or so.

[tylerbick]

My Shimano 9-spd seems to be just fine, thank-you.


I've got to say, even the new Deore 10s shifters/derailleurs feel waaaaay more "snappy" and precise with less hand effort than my 9s XT. I recently switched over to a saint shifter XT rear der 1x10 combo, and couldn't be happier.

[thirdgenbird]

I've got to say, even the new Deore 10s shifters/derailleurs feel waaaaay more "snappy" and precise with less hand effort than my 9s XT. I recently switched over to a saint shifter XT rear der 1x10 combo, and couldn't be happier.

This.

My 1x10 zee feels way better than the 8 and 9spd stuff I used before it. For kicks, here is my updated off-roader:
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk177/thirdgenbird/stumpjumper/454CFE86-3671-4929-BA7D-EC7597AA44C7_zpsccu3n3nb.jpg

It is a 40t cog away from perfect.

[gdw]

Shimano's SLX and XT components have gotten so good that it's hard to rationalize buying XTR anymore, cable or electronic. The weight savings and finish just aren't worth the extra dollars. imo

[linger]

Amen to this.

No thanks but I'll be stoked to run XT DI2 for half that price in a year or so.

[linger]

Amen to this too.

Shimano's SLX and XT components have gotten so good that it's hard to rationalize buying XTR anymore, cable or electronic. The weight savings and finish just aren't worth the extra dollars. imo

[oldpotatoe]

No thanks but I'll be stoked to run XT DI2 for half that price in a year or so.

The supplied link $(MO)is almost that. 'Normal' retail is about $3600. $1000 off, or in other words, wholesale, again.

You might find it cheaper in a year or so, or probably see XT/Di2, for less $.

[Mikej]

2500 isn't that bad, standard is 1500, but neither is available until May 18.