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schwa86
12-24-2014, 11:57 AM
I have done a bunch of reading in the forums. I have a Peg. It really deserves an italian groupset. The ribble posting elsewhere is serving as motivation. I don't care about weight nor do I particularly care about 11 spd vs 10 spd.

I am not thrilled with the extra tools necessary for PT vs UT, but on the other hand I am kind of a tool hog so what the hell if it comes to that...

All that said, I was leaning towards silver athena on purely aesthetic grounds. But Ribble is out of the compact crank I would want 170/50-34.

So my options:
1) std crank athena -- not the end of the world
2) silver veloce -- cheaper, crank I want
3) buy from shinybikes which seems to have similar prices and has athena silver with compact crank

In my brief surfing around, people do seem to enthuse about Ribble and have occasional issues with Shinybikes -- but not an exhaustive sample.

Any thoughts appreciated.

Also, if you think I am making a big mistake and should just get Chorus happy to hear that too...

binxnyrwarrsoul
12-24-2014, 12:00 PM
None of the above. Chorus 11 (with Chorus calipers), $1060-ish, shipped from Ribble. A Pegoretti deserves nothing less, imo. Here's mine, full 2013 Chorus (compact) with Record calipers.

schwa86
12-24-2014, 12:02 PM
May also add if relevant that I picked up a pair of used protons hear awhile back -- it would be my intention to use them as my wheelset. Googling around seems to indicate they work with 11 speed, though I did find an oblique reference to "well known problems with 11 speed... of course not actually stating what those problems are..."

Jeff N.
12-24-2014, 12:09 PM
Campy Record worked for me.

scho74
12-24-2014, 12:18 PM
Avoid PT cranks if you can. I have them and I'm dreading the day I need to overhaul my BB or bearings. If you want alloy Athena, search for the UT. I think Velomine has some Athena groups in stock.

FlashUNC
12-24-2014, 12:22 PM
You can go the Chorus shifters/Athena parts route. I think that's the best option. The one click-per-shift of Athena is a huge downside imo. It works great, but you miss out on the Campy dump.


But yes, nothing wrong with splurging for full Chorus. Its great stuff.

schwa86
12-24-2014, 12:27 PM
Avoid PT cranks if you can. I have them and I'm dreading the day I need to overhaul my BB or bearings. If you want alloy Athena, search for the UT. I think Velomine has some Athena groups in stock.

Thanks -- originally looked at that route but same problem with no compact crank. Quite a bit more expensive than Ribble also.

ceolwulf
12-24-2014, 12:54 PM
For me PT has been completely fine. Yes a couple of tools are needed. I'm also one of few that actually prefer Power Shift to Ultra Shift. That said if it didn't have to be silver and I had the budget for it for sure I'd go Chorus. I also think for a compact the four arm looks better than the five arm. The five arm spider has oddly short legs, doesn't look right to me ... there, now you have more of my opinions than you need or want :)

Also check Merlin Cycles for parts, prices usually similar to Ribble.

Jeff N.
12-24-2014, 01:52 PM
Avoid PT cranks if you can. I have them and I'm dreading the day I need to overhaul my BB or bearings. If you want alloy Athena, search for the UT. I think Velomine has some Athena groups in stock.Agreed. Find a new or used UT crankset. -Jeff N.

binxnyrwarrsoul
12-24-2014, 02:08 PM
Sweet Athena. Alloy campy, it's the pair of shoes that never goes out of style. Imho.

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=160606&highlight=athena

oldpotatoe
12-24-2014, 02:35 PM
Avoid PT cranks if you can. I have them and I'm dreading the day I need to overhaul my BB or bearings. If you want alloy Athena, search for the UT. I think Velomine has some Athena groups in stock.

Big sigh... crank pullers for PT now on the market.

Cyclus
Park

to name 2. I have seen 2 others but can't find the name.

schwa86
12-25-2014, 09:05 AM
Thanks all. I did not realize that one could assemble ones own group on the Ribble site for the same prices. I decided to live with black, kept athena components where I could. As it turned out, the upgrade to a chorus crank was basically a wash given the tools required for PT. I "downgraded" to an Ultegra cassette in order to keep using my Shimano wheels. In a what the hell moment, I went for the chorus shifters -- we'll see if gear dumping is all its cracked up to be. Something to look forward to in the New Year for sure!

jmeloy
12-25-2014, 09:23 AM
Chorus 11 here with compact. Loads of fun to be had.

shovelhd
12-25-2014, 09:39 AM
Those are some great looking Pegorettis.

thwart
12-25-2014, 10:30 AM
Are you kidding? Chorus, at the price Ribble is asking, is definitely the way to go, IMO. Unlike 'ceolwulf' above, the only thing holding me back is the cosmetics of the crankset.

FWIW, awhile back I weighed a Veloce PT crank with BB, ~ 820 gms. For reference, a Chorus carbon UT crank with BB was ~ 715 gms. Something to keep in mind if you want silver alloy; I wouldn't dismiss going with a PT crank.

The bike below never complains about being clothed in Chorus (well… Record brakes and ergos).

choke
12-25-2014, 11:19 AM
When I bought this it was full Chorus 11. Like you, I felt that it needed silver parts so I replaced the Chorus with Athena. The only Athena parts on the shifters are the levers/blades, which were installed on the Chorus bodies to give me alloy Ultrashift.

Frankly, if I was to do it over I'd have went with alloy 10sp.

http://cycle.ciocctoo.com/g1s.jpg

chomeo
12-25-2014, 10:40 PM
I like the Athena group and was considering it during my build. In hindsight, i should have gone with Athena as I think it complements my peg and the wheels very well. can't go wrong either way. have fun.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/chomeoworld/Cycling/EA01F285-705A-4FC3-909A-837FB8CF159B.jpg (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/chomeoworld/media/Cycling/EA01F285-705A-4FC3-909A-837FB8CF159B.jpg.html)

jtakeda
12-26-2014, 12:03 AM
When I bought this it was full Chorus 11. Like you, I felt that it needed silver parts so I replaced the Chorus with Athena. The only Athena parts on the shifters are the levers/blades, which were installed on the Chorus bodies to give me alloy Ultrashift.

Frankly, if I was to do it over I'd have went with alloy 10sp.

http://cycle.ciocctoo.com/g1s.jpg

Are those delta brakes? Looks great, thats my favorite peg paint scheme too.

choke
12-26-2014, 09:37 AM
Are those delta brakes? Looks great, thats my favorite peg paint scheme too.Thanks. Yes, they are Croce d'Aune Deltas. I prefer them over Records as they have more clearance for larger tires.

soulspinner
12-26-2014, 10:02 AM
None of the above. Chorus 11 (with Chorus calipers), $1060-ish, shipped from Ribble. A Pegoretti deserves nothing less, imo. Here's mine, full 2013 Chorus (compact) with Record calipers.

You only live once.

OtayBW
12-26-2014, 04:26 PM
I'm sticking with this:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/zelmo_2006/IMAG0072.jpg (http://s77.photobucket.com/user/zelmo_2006/media/IMAG0072.jpg.html)

thwart
12-26-2014, 06:22 PM
I'm sticking with this:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/zelmo_2006/IMAG0072.jpg (http://s77.photobucket.com/user/zelmo_2006/media/IMAG0072.jpg.html)
I certainly would. That's a lovely bike, with a great build.

Climb01742
12-26-2014, 06:39 PM
On a Peg, please put a 53/39 on it ok?;)

OtayBW
12-26-2014, 07:25 PM
On a Peg, please put a 53/39 on it ok?;)
I hear you. You could make the same argument for slamming the stem. But the fact is, I am first and foremost all about what performs best for my needs. I just turned 60 and my flexibility just isn't what it used to be. I also live on a road with 2 sections of 18° and 20° grade on it. That said, I wouldn't mind having one of the new ('ugly') Campy cranks with the exchangeable rings....

Anarchist
12-26-2014, 07:37 PM
On a Peg, please put a 53/39 on it ok?;)

Why?

oldpotatoe
12-27-2014, 06:20 AM
On a Peg, please put a 53/39 on it ok?;)

Don't know why. I guess on my Molteni Merckx I should have a 52/42 and a 13-21 freewheel, and clips and straps, but no thanks.

rwsaunders
12-27-2014, 06:35 AM
^ On a Peg, please put a 53/39 on it ok?;)

I think that Climb is pulling your 11 speed chain.

Climb01742
12-27-2014, 07:30 AM
^

I think that Climb is pulling your 11 speed chain.

This. Just having some fun. Pegs seem best with traditional bits, but even more so, Pegs are best just plain ridden. So whatever bits make you smile while riding, those are ;):p:hello:

beeatnik
12-27-2014, 07:43 AM
Why?

So it looks like a proper race bike and not a cross bike. Just a minor aesthetic concern...

OtayBW
12-27-2014, 01:30 PM
This. Just having some fun. Pegs seem best with traditional bits, but even more so, Pegs are best just plain ridden. So whatever bits make you smile while riding, those are ;):p:hello:
Alright - you got me!....:banana:

fogrider
12-28-2014, 12:40 PM
Thanks. Yes, they are Croce d'Aune Deltas. I prefer them over Records as they have more clearance for larger tires.

Yeah, I too loved the look of the deltas and had the Croce d'Aune for years...they were a bear to set up! the cable had to cut exactly the right length or the cover would not fit. too short and the and the cable is toast. what spelled the end was the lack of power for carbon rims.

thwart
12-28-2014, 12:45 PM
So it looks like a proper race bike and not a cross bike. Just a minor aesthetic concern...OK. Right.

Then we better cut down that long, dorky head tube, too… :rolleyes:

choke
12-28-2014, 01:46 PM
Yeah, I too loved the look of the deltas and had the Croce d'Aune for years...they were a bear to set up! the cable had to cut exactly the right length or the cover would not fit. too short and the and the cable is toast. what spelled the end was the lack of power for carbon rims.They certainly can be a PITA to set up. I found that the modern Campy holders fit on to Deltas (both models) with no problem so that allows me to run better pads. If you look closely you can see that they're on those in the pic.

thirdgenbird
12-28-2014, 03:02 PM
They certainly can be a PITA to set up. I found that the modern Campy holders fit on to Deltas (both models) with no problem so that allows me to run better pads. If you look closely you can see that they're on those in the pic.

I am running the 1995-2000 pads on my deltas too. Works great. It made a dramatic improvement.

fogrider
12-28-2014, 03:33 PM
I am running the 1995-2000 pads on my deltas too. Works great. It made a dramatic improvement.

Yeah, different pads helped, but compared to modern calipers, even light weight calipers there was no comparison once you go with pads for carbon rims.

campy man
12-29-2014, 01:05 PM
Creating some serious Pegoretti lust over this way ... great builds guys!