weight of paint on a frame?

[crownjewelwl]

How much does paint add to the weight of a frame? Liquid not clear

Any clue peeps??

[kramnnim]

How long is a piece of string? :hello:

40-80g, I think?

[Cicli]

Insrripped the paint off a old Schwinn Varsity once. It didnt make much of a difference. :banana:

[ultraman6970]

Depends a lot of the coats but easy you can put 200 grams of paint in a bike. Some wet paints more dense than other ones so it depends of the brand of paint we are talking about too.

Trek was putting one coat of paint to get the bikes to the weight they were specifying in the catalogs, after a season or 2 paint was falling off or cracking.

[gospastic]

Got a frame painted recently and weighed it before and after. Frame paint was 70g, fork paint was 15g.

[pbarry]

Depends a lot of the coats but easy you can put 200 grams of pain in a bike. Some wet paints more dense than other ones so it depends of the brand of paint we are talking about too.

Trek was putting one coat of paint to get the bikes to the weight they were specifying in the catalogs, after a season of 2 paint was falling off or cracking.

Yep, one reason Ti bikes took off in the 90's--tubing was lighter, and no paint equalled more weight savings. 200 grams sounds about right for a good, multi-coat paint job.

[pakora]

I've wondered about this because I have a bike that was painted twice because the painter wasn't pleased with the first result.

In this case it was paint + a clearcoat with effect, and it's a very large frame, but my guess* was possibly a pound of paint is on there.

*guess pulled totally out of the ether

[christian]

Ibis says 70g for the Mojo.

[makoti]

Depends. Downhill, 20gm. Uphill? Couple of pounds, easy.

[avalonracing]

Another reason to love unpainted titanium!

[r1lee]

I know trek's vapor paint in their p1 option is <5g.

[kramnnim]

The difference between a Parlee Z5SL (thin paint) and a Z5 with thick white paint is around 50g, 200g would have to be quite a few layers...

[Ti Designs]

About 2 weeks.

[FlashUNC]

Not enough to matter.

[Louis]

http://asset-thumbs.ourstage.com/CL/DD/CLDDHBJGABWD-large.jpg?7

[PJN]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Eat two less bites of air.

[carpediemracing]

I had a frame modded (shorter chainstays) and got the frame back unpainted. I weighed it before and after paint.

… And I can't find a picture of the frame on a scale after the paint.

Before was 1190g (I found that picture), I think after was 1270g. A car friend painted it for me. He used an expanding/filler primer (heavy according to him - it puffs up after you apply it) to fill in whatever, then used a car paint, not sure of brand.

So no effort to make it much lighter. The heavy primer only went on problem areas, like on a slight dent on the top tube and the not-super-finished headtube area. He used the same primer on the roof of his car, which looked like it got caught in one of those midwestern golf-ball hailstorms.

When I picked it up:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_AB-7yo5Yuo/T9ACHgUgQVI/AAAAAAAAEEI/zE7XMwfBYOE/s800/2012-06-06_17-33-37_2.jpg

[weisan]

Wet or dry?

[ultraman6970]

Original mini... those were sweet and super fast cars.

[texbike]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_AB-7yo5Yuo/T9ACHgUgQVI/AAAAAAAAEEI/zE7XMwfBYOE/s800/2012-06-06_17-33-37_2.jpg

Sweet looking Mini!

Texbike

[crownjewelwl]

would love to explain the context of my question, but this is better

[Kirk Pacenti]

Iirc, Specialized claimed the paint on this frame added 5oz. (142g).

http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/vintage-retro-classic/337155d1203728810-1992-specialized-m2-team-ned-replica-dscf1046.jpg

[Climb01742]

About 2 weeks.

I laughed.:p

[avalonracing]

Iirc, Specialized claimed the paint on this frame added 5oz. (142g).

http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/vintage-retro-classic/337155d1203728810-1992-specialized-m2-team-ned-replica-dscf1046.jpg

The thing is with those first M2 frames was that non of them held on to their paint. Specialized was being stand up about it though and repainting them under warranty if the customer requested it. Things were a bit different then... When I sent my frame back for repainting I called the paint shop that Specialized had me send the frame to and asked if they could paint it any color that I wanted. She said, "Sure, just pick out a PPG paint" so I picked out this cool gold radiance finish (it was the ONLY bike around when I did this, a few years later this color started to show up). I told her that I never really liked the yellow Specialized decals and she said that she had some black decals for the euro-spec'd bikes. So my purple M2 came back looking like this (they also painted my Rock Shox fork legs to match!). Admittedly I paid a pretty penny for the bike and it was when the S-Works line was actually a bit more exclusive but still it was super-cool of them.

[Mr. Pink]

Half a glass of beer.

[carpediemracing]

Original mini... those were sweet and super fast cars.

Sweet looking Mini!

Texbike

The red was his 4th? He has 6 or something now, was doing a new one every year or two. I happened to meet him when he finished up his first one. Remarkable work on them, literally bare frame up on every one. Some are OEM like (but with upgraded brakes), some are full roll cage etc. I don't think I have a picture of any of them completed.

He doesn't have a dry media tumbler so he wire brushes every single nut and bolt.

[oldpotatoe]

Garo Yepremian, kicker for Miami, once grew a mustache, when asked why, 'coach told me to gain some weight'.

[Climb01742]

Garo Yepremian, kicker for Miami, once grew a mustache, when asked why, 'coach told me to gain some weight'.

the coach (shula?) should have told him 'learn how to run or pass the ball when you pick it up'. younger forum members will have no clue who or what we're talking about.

[witcombusa]

Original mini... those were sweet and super fast cars.

Uh, no. Not fast (at all).

But in Cooper S guise with a 1275cc engine, could do respectable lap times on a tight road course, upsetting much bigger and way more powerful cars.

FUN cars...YES, they are that.

[Mr. Pink]

Garo Yepremian, kicker for Miami, once grew a mustache, when asked why, 'coach told me to gain some weight'.

Ha.

[cnighbor1]

weight of paint on a frame
depends if airbrushed on weight = 0 lbs
however if paint with lead content in it is used weight can = 5 lbs

[false_Aest]

whatever it weighs cerakote weighs less + powder weighs more.

[Craig Ryan]

Freshly painted frame will weigh more than one that's been around a while. Paint weight is a big thing in airplanes.

[sg8357]

Painted carbon frames feel less responsive then unpainted frames,
according to Padraig @ Red Kite Prayer.

[Louis]

Painted carbon frames feel less responsive then unpainted frames,
according to Padraig @ Red Kite Prayer.

A general statement like that can't be right.

Everyone knows it depends on the paint, the relative humidity, the phase of the moon, and a bunch of other variables.

[oldpotatoe]

the coach (shula?) should have told him 'learn how to run or pass the ball when you pick it up'. younger forum members will have no clue who or what we're talking about.

Nor 'some' have much of a clue when they start counting grams..like getting an unpainted frame 'cuz it weighs less'..

[ultraman6970]

Are you talking again about the guy that was using shift cables as brakelines just because are lighter?

[oldpotatoe]

Are you talking again about the guy that was using shift cables as brakelines just because are lighter?

Nope. He wasn't that young.

[Hawker]

This is a GREAT thread. Finally I've figured out why I'm so slow!

[jmoore]

This is a GREAT thread. Finally I've figured out why I'm so slow!

Me too!

I have paint on the frame with additional panels and stripes on top of the panels. AND my fork is painted. I'm sure it's 6-7lbs with all that going on.

[eippo1]

Hmm, well if paint is a problem, maybe I should get some tattoos so I can blame my slowness on that super heavy ink.

[buldogge]

I 100% endorse this approach…especially for those in the St. Louis region…in fact, you should all probably come in today and get tattooed.

-Mark in St. Louis

Hmm, well if paint is a problem, maybe I should get some tattoos so I can blame my slowness on that super heavy ink.

[Louis]

Hmm, well if paint is a problem, maybe I should get some tattoos so I can blame my slowness on that super heavy ink.

That doesn't seem to slow Mark down. ;)

[buldogge]

Louis is just being kind.

I'm so slow and annoying, he won't even ride with me anymore...

-Mark

That doesn't seem to slow Mark down. ;)

[Louis]

Louis is just being kind.

I'm so slow and annoying, he won't even ride with me anymore...


Of course that's wrong - I'm the one who's slow. Way, way, way slow.

(this was a bad year for riding for me - knee issues after a late start, when I tried to do too much too quickly to make up for it, then super-busy at work in the late summer and fall)