Anyone here in Colorado?

[Neil]

I have two weeks in Broomfield coming up, starting from the 29th of September.

I'd love to hire a bike and go up into the mountains- any residents of the area who could advise?

If this is lunacy I'll just take my running shoes, but the mountains look enticing.

[cloudguy]

Why would it be lunacy? Because of snow or something? Just last night, we got snow in the foothills of Boulder and surroundings, but it will melt off by tomorrow, when the high is supposed to be 72 and 81 on Sunday. Early October is often the best time for riding around here; just watch out for the occasional snow storm that melts off by the next day or so. In a two-week time frame, you are very likely to catch some nice fall days for ridings in the foothills. Note: I never ridden in Broomfield, but my guess is that it contains lots of sprawl, so you may just want to head up to Boulder or Golden and start your rides from there...

[Neil]

I'd need to hire a bike, best to catch a ride to Boulder and find a hire shop there?

[oldpotatoe]

I'd need to hire a bike, best to catch a ride to Boulder and find a hire shop there?

Boulder BikeSmith...they rent decent bikes.

Boulderbikesmith.com

[Neil]

$35 for eight hours on a Giant Defy.

Now to find a club going out on a Sunday.

[cloudguy]

Now to find a club going out on a Sunday.

No offense, but what elevation are you coming from? If sea level, then I would advise against trying to hook up with a club to go uphill, unless they are 70+ years old or you are well acclimated to the elevation and in pretty good shape.
Look on strava for hilly rides in the area or search past threads here.

[Louis]

No offense, but what elevation are you coming from?

Signature link indicates London, so sea level.

In my experience simply Denver / Boulder proper, not even in the "real" mountains yet, are noticeable for us lower altitude types.

[deluxerider]

There is great climbing in and around Boulder, which is close to Broomefield, that are great. Just ask at one of the shops or check out 303cycling.com for climbs. University Bicycles also rents quality bikes. CX season is in full swing out here. Races in both Sat and Sun on most weekends if you're into that sort of thing.

[Neil]

As surmised I'm normally at or around sea level, when I came out in January I ran a half marathon in ~1.45, but did find that faster paced efforts saw me run out of steam earlier than usual.

So I take your point on that one, might be better to head out on my own.

Thanks for the links I shall investigate further.

[Schmed]

There's great road and mountain biking in or close-to Broomfield.

Marshall Mesa / Dirty Bismarck is a good start and can be linked up together for some good mileage (25+ miles). It's just West of Broomfield in Superior.

Check www.mtbproject.com for the trails

For road riding, Hwy 128 from Rocky Mtn Airport and West is some good rolling hills, but not crazy elevation climbs like Flagstaff or Left Hand Canyon in Boulder.

[biker72]

If you're coming from a near sea level elevation with few hills, the Denver-Boulder area would be better.

Denver-Aurora has many miles of dedicated bicycle trails that do have a few hills. The Cherry Creek Reservoir area has some fairly challenging climbs for a flatlander. I noticed the locals didn't have much difficulty but I did.

[Jayfree]

I live in Denver.
Broomfield is lousy riding-but easy to get to Boulder or Denver, foothills for great riding. Fall is fabulous - afternoon rains are mostly rare, temps very moderate. Need wind shirt for early or late. Elevation typically not an issue for most healthy people IF you remember to stay hydrated. Best bike club ride on Sundays is found at:
rmccrides.com
And their Sunday rides are typically flat(ish) and more recovery driven. There are also rides typically listed at Meetup.com
Rentals? I like Boulder Cyclesport - but there are many others
PM me if you want more info - or want a riding companion. ...

[likebikes]

why broomfield?

broomfield is terrible. close to denver and boulder, though.

[Neil]

Jayfree- thanks, I'll take you up on that.

Why Broomfield? Our offices are there.

Probably silly question - I need to post my SRM cranks to SRM, once I land.

Does UPS/etc have bricks and mortar establishments I can walk into to do this, or will I have to arrange a courier to pick the parcel up?

How does this work in the US?

[oldpotatoe]

Jayfree- thanks, I'll take you up on that.

Why Broomfield? Our offices are there.

Probably silly question - I need to post my SRM cranks to SRM, once I land.

Does UPS/etc have bricks and mortar establishments I can walk into to do this, or will I have to arrange a courier to pick the parcel up?

How does this work in the US?

Either a UPS/FedEx/Kinkos store or get some free boxes at USPS and mail from there.

[dzxc]

Bring both! Right West of Broomfield there is a good cross country course for running, about 10 miles of track, I go out there often. If you want a challenge, head up to Magnolia Rd where the Buff cross country runners train (head up Mag Rd outside of Boulder until it turns to dirt, then start there). It's about 8,500ft!

As far as biking goes, you can start from Broomfield, but I prefer to start in Boulder and do big 60-100 mile loops through the flatirons.

[Bradford]

If you are going to be here on October 4th and have a car, ride the Tour of the Moon. Bonus points if you watch American Flyers on the plane to get excited about the Hell of the West route.

The front range is nice, but if you want to see the west, you need to head up to the mountains and the Mesas.

[Neil]

I was going to try to avoid having a car, if at all possible.

I'll be staying over one weekend, during which I'll hire a bike, the rest of the time I'll go running.

[dzxc]

Broomfield isn't the best area to not have a car imo. You can get into the mountains, but it takes a bit of riding, which is less riding that you get to do in the mountains.

[herb5998]

If you can find transportation, tons of climbing and good riding, but like others have said, be careful coming from sea level. I was away from here for 5 months, went up to around 8000ft and had to turn back, too high too early, now that I've been back for a while, no problem at all.

[Neil]

Jayfree I've PM'd you.

Arrived here Monday, got in, unpacked, went for a quick 5k run to check the effects of altitude- and discovered that anywhere I could eat was shut.

Tactical error!

Yesterday I took the bus to Boulder, which it would appear was the minimum requirement for the purchase of toothpaste, but that's now achieved, and I had a pleasant (if surprisingly small) dinner in a bar on the main drag.

My first nights run was a slow-to-tempo effort, around 23 minutes for 5k and I noticed that I was around 10bpm above where I'd expect to be for that effort level, basically I'm in Z3 when I'd expect Z2 etc.

Since then I ran twice yesterday and once today, higher output efforts are definitely harder but endurance pace seems unaffected (albeit with a higher heart rate).

All that aside I've got two days worth of cycling kit with me and I'm keen to get out over the weekend.

[oldpotatoe]

Jayfree I've PM'd you.

Arrived here Monday, got in, unpacked, went for a quick 5k run to check the effects of altitude- and discovered that anywhere I could eat was shut.

Tactical error!

Yesterday I took the bus to Boulder, which it would appear was the minimum requirement for the purchase of toothpaste, but that's now achieved, and I had a pleasant (if surprisingly small) dinner in a bar on the main drag.

My first nights run was a slow-to-tempo effort, around 23 minutes for 5k and I noticed that I was around 10bpm above where I'd expect to be for that effort level, basically I'm in Z3 when I'd expect Z2 etc.

Since then I ran twice yesterday and once today, higher output efforts are definitely harder but endurance pace seems unaffected (albeit with a higher heart rate).

All that aside I've got two days worth of cycling kit with me and I'm keen to get out over the weekend.

'Slow to tempo' effort run at just a little more than 4.5 minute per mile pace....yikes!!

Opppps, 5k not 5 miles....sorry, university of colorado educated, can't count.

[Neil]

Hah, I wish! Ran down to the lake and back tonight, just beat sunset.

[Neil]

Heading out tomorrow morning with Jayfree- very much looking forward to the weekends cycling, and a big thanks in advance to Jay.

[Neil]

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/605468682

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kh3fVbltiKs/VDB46x73CmI/AAAAAAAALNw/VBZDSepNQQA/w1044-h313-no/IMG_20141004_213934055-PANO.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Ee38VrqDRRM/VDBsetrOcAI/AAAAAAAALNA/bNlpEncCluM/w1043-h269-no/IMG_20141004_194821923_HDR-PANO.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AyQZfFrTn_Y/VDBsa-iANII/AAAAAAAALM4/_hDkOp6zJSI/w1042-h259-no/IMG_20141004_182622331-PANO.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PoiNRLEVuIY/VDBro4BeUZI/AAAAAAAALLw/mtGcY3zFSTI/w1027-h577-no/IMG_20141004_213636060_HDR.jpg

Awesome.

[cloudguy]

You picked a good weekend. Glad you had fun.

[Neil]

I had marked helmet-strap/sunglass marks this morning - it was a beautiful day yesterday and again today.

I went into Boulder today, met a really nice chap in University Cycles called Jamie - he said his father is on The Paceline, and has four Serotta's, it's clearly a small world!

"Back in the day" I'd have given a lot to own this:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-G4ZJs3RI89A/VDHlBcCz0vI/AAAAAAAALQU/EunPQ74RGKc/w1027-h577-no/IMG_20141005_185459876.jpg

I think Boulder is a place I'd enjoy spending some more time in, you've got to love a place that has this on it's doorstep:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ie3uW6VNbek/VDHltyqPzjI/AAAAAAAALRI/zu80mqpoXgE/w1044-h302-no/IMG_20141005_194101933_HDR-PANO.jpg

[Neil]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-16p9ApBNavw/VDP6zw--FKI/AAAAAAAALUE/1AinhYcQ_PM/w1043-h311-no/IMG_20141007_142210031_HDR-PANO.jpg

http://www.strava.com/activities/204422600

[Neil]

I'll be back in Colorado on the 17th of July, staying for ~10 days.

SO: could people please recommend some rides, 40-60 miles, that I can fit in after work?

Couple of longer ones for the weekends would also be awesome.

Once again I'll be in Broomfield, unsure if there is a "won't end up dead" route to cycle from there to near Boulder, which I imagine will be a decent starting point?

[gdw]

What style bike are you bringing?

[Neil]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11377118_10153349185453638_4140272224758686975_n.j pg?oh=a97484ae76368049c894249330408fc3&oe=55FBCAB8

24c tyres on Flo30 rims - very wide, so perfectly happy with (and rode sections of, last time) un-sealed roads.

Happier on tarmac, that said!

[sandyrs]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11377118_10153349185453638_4140272224758686975_n.j pg?oh=a97484ae76368049c894249330408fc3&oe=55FBCAB8

24c tyres on Flo30 rims - very wide, so perfectly happy with (and rode sections of, last time) un-sealed roads.

Happier on tarmac, that said!

Sweet ride.

Pete Smith from Mad Alchemy posts all his rides on Strava and most of them start in Broomfield.

https://www.strava.com/athletes/32694

[Neil]

That's really helpful - thanks, I've followed him and will be using his rides as a base. I'm staying just the other side of the Boulder-Denver turnpike from where he starts, more or less.

[cloudguy]

Mt Evans Hill Climb is July 25th (http://bicyclerace.com/on-the-bike/registration/). You should be acclimated by then. Getting there is the challenge, I guess, but Uber might work.

[Neil]

Can I take 128 then 93 from Broomfield to get to the start of this without being killed by a vehicle?

https://www.strava.com/activities/204283927

[oldpotatoe]

Can I take 128 then 93 from Broomfield to get to the start of this without being killed by a vehicle?

https://www.strava.com/activities/204283927

No

[Neil]

Bugger. What would be a route which would see me arrive alive?

Also - tubs or clinchers for the front range?

[Schmed]

No

To be factually correct, you'd have at least a 65% chance of not being run over. :)

If it were me, I'd do this. Sounds confusing, but it's not too bad, and all are relatively well-traveled bike roads:

Better way is to take 128 to Simms South
Right on 100th
Follow that around (quick jog right then left onto Alkire)
Right on 86th
Left on Indiana
Right on 82nd
Left on Quaker
Right on 64th
Left on Easley
Right on 60th
Left onto Hwy 93
Start the climb up Golden Gate

This assumes you are going UP Golden Gate and down Coal Creek. Much safer, in my opinion. Coal creek is safer traveling 40 mph downhill than 9 mph uphill.

Exiting Coal Creek dumps you onto 72 which turns into 86th and you are back to line 4 above.

Shazaam.

[Neil]

Great - thanks! I'll be flying this afternoon, putting the bike together tonight, and hopefully riding tomorrow.

Going from this:

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11745864_10153450161013638_7702368769540501593_n.j pg?oh=98f9fa1753880052e7f08017a393d3b2&oe=5616EEA8

To this:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/347/19405362881_4a2fa1b8e0_b.jpg

I hope tubulars won't be a mistake - what's the worst that can happen? Double puncture, bears, mountain lions, no mobile telephone reception...

[Schmed]

I hope tubulars won't be a mistake - what's the worst that can happen? Double puncture, bears, mountain lions, no mobile telephone reception...

I have seen bear tracks across the freshly paved road going up Golden Gate Canyon once. I've seen a mountain lion running across the road at the twisty downhill part heading West. No punctures, though And yes... probably no cell reception.

Enjoy that short steep kicker section before the downhill into Golden Gate Canyon State Park. It's a 'stand and grind' short climb.

It's very pretty up there this year. We've had a lot of spring/summer rain, so it's much greener than normal.

[crossjunkee]

If you're looking for a hard effort first thing tomorrow. There's are really good training ride leaving from Cycleton every Saturday morning at 7AM. Come on out!

http://cycleton.com/denver-cycling-events-cycleton/weekly-rides/

[Neil]

Tomorrow we leave at 5am to climb a 14,000 peak- riding on Sunday, if anyone is out and fancies some company do please let me know.

[buldogge]

Which peak Neil? Which route??

-Mark in St. Louis

Tomorrow we leave at 5am to climb a 14,000 peak- riding on Sunday, if anyone is out and fancies some company do please let me know.

[Neil]

https://www.strava.com/activities/349568657

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/346/19825483072_9070a17c61_b.jpg

[Neil]

How about this for a route?

https://www.strava.com/routes/2860964

[cloudguy]

I'm not so sure about this one. The ascent of Sunshine turns to dirt/gravel at about the halfway point and its pretty steep in sections with loose dirt making it even more difficult. Also, the descent from Gold Hill to Left Hand is really steep as you can see on the profile - I've never done it, and I'm not sure if its all that popular of a descent route.

My suggested alternative would be to ride to Gold Hill by way of Boulder Canyon to Four Mile Canyon to Salinas - this also has dirt but its more manageable on a road bike IMHO. Your descent will then be down Sunshine Canyon. Or if you're on good form, you could ride from Gold Hill to the Peak-to-Peak Hwy to Ward and then down Left Hand.

[mgm777]

[QUOTE=cloudguy;1791267]
My suggested alternative would be to ride to Gold Hill by way of Boulder Canyon to Four Mile Canyon to Salinas - this also has dirt but its more manageable on a road bike IMHO. Your descent will then be down Sunshine Canyon. Or if you're on good form, you could ride from Gold Hill to the Peak-to-Peak Hwy to Ward and then down Left Hand.

^This! I concur. This route would be my choice.

[Neil]

Thanks for the advice chaps - like this?

https://www.strava.com/routes/2867135

[xjoex]

Whatever you do, do not ride Boulder Canyon, it has way too much traffic and folks who I would call not bike friendly. Sunshine, Gold Hill, etc are all awesome.

Have fun!

-Joe

[mgm777]

He can ride the bike path from Eben Fine park, that parallels Boulder Canyon, to the end of the path, then just cross the road (Boulder Canyon) and proceed to begin the Four Mile to Salinas segment.

[oldpotatoe]

Whatever you do, do not ride Boulder Canyon, it has way too much traffic and folks who I would call not bike friendly. Sunshine, Gold Hill, etc are all awesome.

Have fun!

-Joe

Agree. I go up Boulder Canyon once a year, up to Ned, then over to Eldora BUT during the week..less traffic tourists but yes, even with a shoulder, can be 'busy'. Safer than 93 tho toward Golden..did that once, never again.

[Neil]

He can ride the bike path from Eben Fine park, that parallels Boulder Canyon, to the end of the path, then just cross the road (Boulder Canyon) and proceed to begin the Four Mile to Salinas segment.

That'd be marked Boulder Creek Path on the map?

[Neil]

Ici: https://www.strava.com/routes/2867135

[mgm777]

That'd be marked Boulder Creek Path on the map?

Yes. That is correct.

[cloudguy]

Don't agree. I ride up Boulder Canyon to Magnolia/Sugerloaf at least twice or more a week (Mon-Fri) and I'm still here typing. There are sections with little to no shoulder, but its mostly OK. Its not a joy, by any stretch, but its not certain death.

[Neil]

Rode a round a little after work, the highway 36 bike path is going to be handy when it's all the way to Boulder: https://www.strava.com/activities/351267825

[oldpotatoe]

Rode a round a little after work, the highway 36 bike path is going to be handy when it's all the way to Boulder: https://www.strava.com/activities/351267825

Yup, but OMG it's gonna be boring.

[Neil]

True- but for a commute it looks useful.

Thanks to Herb I had a great ride this morning just outside Boulder:

https://www.strava.com/activities/353911601

[Neil]

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[Scuzzer]

Nice looking route. I would have taken McCaslin to 128 on the return trip to avoid the crappy 36 corridor and also to experience the hump and wall. It's a bit dicey crossing 36 on McCaslin these days but we've been successful using the blocked off construction zones on the weekends.

[Neil]

Like this:

https://www.strava.com/activities/351267825

?

[Neil]

Also - how about this for tomorrow?

https://www.strava.com/routes/2910819

[Scuzzer]

Also - how about this for tomorrow?

https://www.strava.com/routes/2910819

That's ambitious. I was going to recommend the route up 72 to Wondervu, that's our typical mountain ride on a Sunday. The roads are decent with good shoulders until you get into the mountains and then the traffic is going slow enough it doesn't feel like you're getting blown off the road when they pass.

How big of tires do you have on that bike? A really good route is to go up Flagstaff outta Boulder and then take the Gross Dam road over to 72 and bomb back down into town. The Gross Dam road is gravel but not too bad on 28s.

[herb5998]

I would stay on golden gate all the way to peak to peak, then come back on Coal creek. Last bit of GGC is steep, but the peak to peak is nice.


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[Neil]

That's ambitious. I was going to recommend the route up 72 to Wondervu, that's our typical mountain ride on a Sunday. The roads are decent with good shoulders until you get into the mountains and then the traffic is going slow enough it doesn't feel like you're getting blown off the road when they pass.

How big of tires do you have on that bike? A really good route is to go up Flagstaff outta Boulder and then take the Gross Dam road over to 72 and bomb back down into town. The Gross Dam road is gravel but not too bad on 28s.

Like this? https://www.strava.com/activities/349568657

25's on HED Stinger 4's did that ok.

[Neil]

I would stay on golden gate all the way to peak to peak, then come back on Coal creek. Last bit of GGC is steep, but the peak to peak is nice.


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Like this?

https://www.strava.com/routes/2910819

[herb5998]

Yep, that route also gives you multiple options to stop/refuel before you get to coal creek


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[Scuzzer]

Like this:

https://www.strava.com/activities/351267825

?

Something like that. Skip the bike path on 128 coming back. That road is really wide with a good shoulder and it's mostly high speed downhill all the way back to where you're staying. I haven't checked out the new path parallel to 36 since they just recently opened it up so I don't know how good (or bad) it is.

When my neighbor and I go out for after work rides during the week we use the Big Dry Creek trail to go out to Stanley Lake and back. I hate evening rush hour on a road bike and that trail starts at our neighborhood so we hit very few roads and compete with no cars. It's not a long ride but the trail is nice with not a whole lot of foot traffic.

For another after work ride you could also check out the Coal Creek trail that starts at McCaslin in Superior and ends at CO7 east of Lafayette. You might be able to make a loop out of it by coming back on Lowell and the Sheridan Pkwy but past 136th avenue you'll be dealing with traffic again. You could also use our route back home and hit the Big Dry Creek trail. Might make a nice loop.

I can sketch something up on Ride with GPS if you're interested.

[Neil]

Hold that thought - I'm flying back to London on Monday, but I'll be back in October and will be bringing the bike back out with me, so will deffo be after routes then.

Right now I'm looking for one "final" ride for this period in Colorado, that is a) fun and b) won't kill me.

[Scuzzer]

Like this? https://www.strava.com/activities/349568657

25's on HED Stinger 4's did that ok.

Yeah, except I wouldn't ride on Wadsworth if you paid me. I'd ride over to McCaslin then up to Baseline and over. I'm relatively old so crashing on gravel in the middle of nowhere is not high on the list of my priorities so I generally use 28s there. As a younger man it wouldn't have made a difference.

Nice total ride time there. I start a bit east of you but it's a 5+ hour ride for me.

[Neil]

I'd not go via Wadsworth again to be honest.

Regarding the time I was aiming to get back for lunch (which I managed), loved Flagstaff, the gravel was something of a surprise.

"I was going to recommend the route up 72 to Wondervu, that's our typical mountain ride on a Sunday." Have you got a link for this that you could share?

[Scuzzer]

Right now I'm looking for one "final" ride for this period in Colorado, that is a) fun and b) won't kill me.

Define "kill"... Looks like your last Golden Gate route is the winner then.

Just curious, does the altitude hit you hard when you first ride here? How long does it take to acclimate? My neighbor has some middle aged (40 to 50-ish) business partners in the UK that would like to combine a business trip and some cycling in the near future so we we're wondering how hard we should push it in the mountains.

[Neil]

That's an interesting one - last time I came out here I went running for the week, then rode that Golden Gate loop on the penultimate day, and the altitude definitely hit me.

This time round the first day I was here (Saturday) we hiked up Greys - so sea level to 14,000+ feet in 24 hours.

That was "interesting", at the top - I found my balance was a lot better if I kept moving, if I stayed still then I got rather dizzy.

I then rode that Flagstaff/Gross Dam loop the day after, and didn't really notice any altitude impact other than being down on power - no shortness of breath etc that I'd had the last trip.

I'm definitely not putting out the power that I can at sea level, but I'm not noticing the altitude this time.

Of course, hiking up Greys may not have been the cause, but it's a possibility.

I'm 39 btw, 40 in May next year.

[Scuzzer]

Have you got a link for this that you could share?

It's pretty much your route up 72 (Wondervu is just a small town on top of the climb) we just turn around and bomb home since we rarely have more than 4 hours to schedule a Sunday morning ride. A slightly longer version that I have planned but haven't done yet is this:

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/1100768

My neighbor won't ride gravel with less than 32s due to some poor route planning and lost skin on a gravel ride west of the Wall a few years back. He also doesn't like riding on the road with 32s so he won't commit to doing this with me.

[Neil]

That route is set to private - I cannae see it I'm afraid.

[Scuzzer]

This time round the first day I was here (Saturday) we hiked up Greys - so sea level to 14,000+ feet in 24 hours.

I then rode that Flagstaff/Gross Dam loop the day after, and didn't really notice any altitude impact other than being down on power - no shortness of breath etc that I'd had the last trip.

Awesomely ambitious! I haven't hiked Greys since I got burned out on it by hiking my mountain bike up the backside doing the old Montezuma's Revenge race a few times. I'd imagine the standard trail up it is a veritable highway now. Next time do Torrey's northeast ridge and make a loop out of it.

Thanks for the info.

[Scuzzer]

That route is set to private - I cannae see it I'm afraid.

Sorry, I didn't think I set anything to private, even my doodle routes. It's public now.

[Neil]

Great, thanks.

I'll have to have a think about routes, I do quite like descending Coal Creek.

[Scuzzer]

Descending Coal Creek is fun. The first time I did the Gross Dam road I did it the wrong way. Descending Flagstaff is not fun. I now do it in the correct direction.

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2471872

[herb5998]

Agreed, going down flagstaff is not fun. Did that earlier this year after the first snow melt, so much sand and rock in the corners I white knuckled it down the whole time


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[Neil]

Well, this happened:

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https://www.strava.com/activities/354682731

Short story: decided to do the Flagstaff/Gross Dam loop, but by the time I'd got 2/3rds of the way up Flagstaff I'd changed my mind - I was climbing ok but knew that I'd find the gravel section hard work, so went and had a coffee in Boulder instead.

Descending Flagstaff was actually quite good fun, until I got stuck behind a couple of cars, and there wasn't a long enough section for me to pass both safely.

I'll be breaking the bike down and packing it away shortly, already looking forward to returning in October.

[Neil]

About to head out if anyone fancies riding the front range today?

[Neil]

I fancy mounting a dawn raid on NCAR tomorrow - this is the route I have:

https://www.strava.com/routes/3489672

Anyone got suggestions for making this better?

[Schmed]

I think I'd add some Hwy 128 and McCaslin to that loop, and I think part of the old "Coors Classic" route. 128 doesn't get much traffic between McCaslin and 93, and it's a popular bike route.

[pbarry]

I think I'd add some Hwy 128 and McCaslin to that loop, and I think part of the old "Coors Classic" route. 128 doesn't get much traffic between McCaslin and 93, and it's a popular bike route.

^^ This.

[Neil]

https://www.strava.com/routes/3500465

?

[Louis]

Would the Strava "heat maps" be any help in identifying popular routes?

http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#11/-105.30786/39.95353/blue/bike

[herb5998]

Looks good Neil, it's a short/steep climb



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[pbarry]

That looks good.

I like Cherryvale Rd. too, if you wanted to go further north on 93, then east on Table Mesa/S. Boulder Rd, or Baseline. Another day, another route. :)

[Schmed]

https://www.strava.com/routes/3500465

?

Yes, but I'd start out heading NW between 36 and the golf course, like you are.

then when you hit McCaslin, go South and up the kicker hill, wincing in pain.

then west on 128

N on 93

Up to NCAR

Back home (hotel?)

It's a short stretch on 93, and I think it's safe, but I don't road ride up that way too often, but Hwy 128 is really nice. Big long sweeping hill and great views.

[Neil]

I'd like to hit NCAR just before sunrise, then I need to be back for a conference call at half eight, so I'm a bit constrained in terms of time.

This weekend, however, I can ride both days.

[Neil]

Just pulled a thorn out of my front tyre, lets see if sealant actually does what it should do, otherwise tomorrow might be a run instead!

[Louis]

One of the downsides of tubulars / tubeless.
(I assume that's what you have)

[buldogge]

No spares with you in the US Neil?...head thee to Vecchios (or OP's garage! ;) ).

BTW...Let us know if the sealant works out, and which one you're using.

Just pulled a thorn out of my front tyre, lets see if sealant actually does what it should do, otherwise tomorrow might be a run instead!

Mounting a new tub, tonight, for a ride tomorrow, is a non-issue...

One of the downsides of tubulars / tubeless.
(I assume that's what you have)

[Louis]

Mounting a new tub, tonight, for a ride tomorrow, is a non-issue...

Perhaps, but still more of a hassle than changing an inner tube and putting a boot on the tire, if required.

[Neil]

It's a clincher, it's also an experiment- latex tubes with TLR sealant (in Vit Pave).

If it's not sealed soon I'll change the tube, but I'm interested to see if this works as advertised.

[buldogge]

Oh...You're no fun.

How am I supposed to start an argument with Louis, now?

-Mark

It's a clincher, it's also an experiment- latex tubes with TLR sealant (in Vit Pave).

If it's not sealed soon I'll change the tube, but I'm interested to see if this works as advertised.

[Louis]

How am I supposed to start an argument with Louis, now?

No reason to stop now -

Tubulars may feel different from clinchers, I don't know, but I do know that there's no way in the world that they can beat clinchers on convenience.

I'll take clinchers with 98% of the ride feel at 50% of the hassle factor.

Edit: Sorry for the thread drift - I'm just kidding.

[buldogge]

No you don't...but you (sorta) would...if you mounted those Conti tubs you bought like 3 or 4 years ago!

Hell...you could use them on the Kirk frame!!

:P

-Mark

No reason to stop now -

Tubulars may feel different from clinchers, I don't know

[Louis]

if you mounted those Conti tubs you bought like 3 or 4 years ago!

I can't get away with anything here... ;)

[oldpotatoe]

No reason to stop now -

Tubulars may feel different from clinchers, I don't know, but I do know that there's no way in the world that they can beat clinchers on convenience.

I'll take clinchers with 98% of the ride feel at 50% of the hassle factor.

Edit: Sorry for the thread drift - I'm just kidding.

POTD!

BTW-I have often changed a tubular on the road faster than 'some' can change their tube...and then another 50 feet down the road cuz whatever caused their clincher flat, is still in the tire..DOH!!

I'd say 84% at the outside. :eek:;)

[Neil]

The sealant worked perfectly, and for the record I'll be using it in tubs and clinchers, and (on present evidence) it can seal large thorn punctures very well.

Therefore I made it out this morning: https://www.strava.com/activities/412897634/overview

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[Schmed]

That Strava pic with the flatirons at sunrise is great.

See any deer up there?

I did some work on one of their computers up there. I guess it's about $2MM supercomputer. Neat place, if you have time for a tour.

How was the Hwy 128 ride?

[Neil]

I like 128, although this morning I was wishing I hadn't left my sunglasses on the kitchen work-surface as I headed into the freshly risen sun.

I had a bit of a tailwind on Sunday when I rode 128 and hit 56mph, without the tailwind it wasn't quite so fast today but it's still good fun to blast along.

I've got a call at 7am tomorrow morning so that rules out a pre-work ride, I might try to head out after work though - all suggestions welcomed!

[RacerJRP]

If you can get away mid-day stop by Pearl Izumi for their lunch ride. 12:15pm every day.

[xjoex]

If anyone is around on Saturday we are putting on a fundraiser for the Amy D Foundation in Nederland. Come on up to the mountains for music, pizza, Stevil form All Hail The Black Market, Olympian Ann Trombley, Emily Kachorek from Squid bikes and awesome gear for a silent auction.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sQsN1VgEPKY/VeNtLr8AeKI/AAAAAAAAXNA/-ORpctf-PWA/s720-Ic42/soulrunflyer-party.png

[oldpotatoe]

If anyone is around on Saturday we are putting on a fundraiser for the Amy D Foundation in Nederland. Come on up to the mountains for music, pizza, Stevil form All Hail The Black Market, Olympian Ann Trombley, Emily Kachorek from Squid bikes and awesome gear for a silent auction.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sQsN1VgEPKY/VeNtLr8AeKI/AAAAAAAAXNA/-ORpctf-PWA/s720-Ic42/soulrunflyer-party.png

why not at TinShed? Just curious.

[xjoex]

why not at TinShed? Just curious.

Our friends and fellow bike riders opened Crosscut Pizzeria and we wanted to work together on this Fundraiser for the Amy D. Foundation.


-Joe

[Neil]

This is quite a nice loop for a quick after-work spin:

https://www.strava.com/activities/414386394

I'll be heading out tomorrow to do the climb up to Ward, it'd be nice to make a loop of it and come back down (say) Coal Creek Canyon - practical?

[gdw]

Yup, it's practical and a good workout. Start early to avoid the leaf peepers.

[Neil]

Ok, how about this for tomorrow?

https://www.strava.com/routes/3516516

[gdw]

I'd avoid Boulder Canyon on the weekends unless you can hit it before 8:30am. It's a fast descent with high traffic volume. If you're comfortable riding on dirt roads try Magnolia Drive instead. It eventually turns back into pavement and runs into Boulder Canyon but will take you past the worst sections.

[Schmed]

I don't ride in Boulder much, but yes...I'd avoid Boulder canyon. The only time I rode up Boulder canyon was during the Buff classic when it was closed to cars!

Magnolia is a great idea. Paved until you get to the top, and I think the dirt/gravel is in decent shape. Sure beats dealing with a fairly narrow shoulder in a twisty canyon.

[Neil]

Like this?

https://www.strava.com/routes/3516516

[Schmed]

That's what I'd do. I hope the dirt isn't too rough up there.

Magnolia has some STEEP little switchbacks (paved). Like spin-the-rear-wheel steep.

Enjoy!

[gdw]

Yes. Are you comfortable riding on dirt roads?

[Neil]

Dirt road=Gross Dam?

https://www.strava.com/activities/349568657

[Neil]

(I reserve the right to bail on my Ward plans and do that Flagstaff/Gross Dam loop if I have heavy legs on the way down Baseline!)

[pbarry]

Have you done Four Mile/Gold Hill/Lefthand? Another good ride. Some dirt after Salina. Not much traffic.

[Neil]

No I have not- I don't suppose you might have a link?

[gdw]

Sorry, I've never ridden Gross Dam Road. If your legs are tired the climb up Flagstaff and the hills on its backside will be challenging. Good luck and watch out for the surly turkeys.

[pbarry]

No, sorry. Canyon out of Boulder, you can ride the path up to Four Mile I think. Right on Four Mile. Through Gold Hill, then 89 to Lefthand. Go right and you can go all the way to 36 on Lefthand, (fewer houses) or take Lee Hill to 36, or Lee Hill and cut off onto Olde Stage. Have not done this since the flood tho, so you may want to check road condition.

Perfect time.of year for the paved canyon roads as most of the sand and gravel is long gone. :hello:

[Neil]

https://www.strava.com/routes/3518883

?

[pbarry]

Yep!

[Neil]

Ok, great, that gives me a whole range of options from Boulder - thanks!

I'll finish my coffee and head out shortly.

[gdw]

Be very careful descending Lickskillet Road to Left Hand Canyon if you choose to ride to Gold Hill. It is very steep, some claim it's the steepest county road in the US, and has loose sections.

[Neil]

Thanks for the warning, I shall be careful.

[Neil]

https://www.strava.com/activities/415030813

[herb5998]

Looks like a great ride Neil.

[pbarry]

Awesome, Neil! Did you enjoy the route?

[Neil]

It was great - very beautiful, nice combination of terrains.

Coming from sea-level I find sustained climbing efforts are tough to judge, at the sort of power output my legs insist should be fine I'm unable to get enough oxygen in, which means I end up riding a sort of saw-toothed wave of too much/recover/too much/recover.

Be nice to be out here long enough to aclimatise, but that's not on the cards for now.

Also, my brake blocks are rubbish - almost dangerously poor, which is surprising as the Black Prince/HED Stinger 4 combination is great, so I though the SwissStop green/alloy rim combination would be equal to or better, but it's really, really not.

[pbarry]

Good to hear. Wondered how you acclimatized. Would sleeping in an altitude tent before your trips work for you?

Hope the braking didn't give you any prayerful moments. :eek:

[Neil]

Hah, I think selling that to my girlfriend might be a tough one.

I think the most successful trip I've had in terms of getting used to the altitude was the one before this - where the first day I was here we climbed a 14er.

Being unable to balance when stationary at the top (~4,300M) seemed to get me used to the air pressure - the rest of the week I was fine.

[Neil]

Great run out with Herb this morning: https://www.strava.com/activities/415756223

Leaving tomorrow, back maybe January.

[Neil]

I land in Denver this Friday at ~3pm, should I bring cycling kit with me or would it be lunacy to head into the Front Range this weekend?

I can either rent a bike in Boulder (University Cycles? Someone else?), or I can build this up, which is waiting in a box in the corner of the office:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5625/21685268809_f7cf2bd324_b.jpg

[likebikes]

bring skis.

[stien]

I have to believe Boulder has clear roads. How are the roads going up the mountains though?

[mgm777]

It snowed 10.5 inches a few weeks ago and has remained mostly cold since then (20 deg +-), except for the last couple of days. Major roads are mostly clear, but still a lot of debris(dirt, gravel, ice) on the shoulders and bike lanes. The weather forecast is predicting another couple of inches, or so, over the next few days, starting tonight. The temps are going to drop again, with highs in the 20s over the weekend. I went skiing last weekend. Just saying.

[Bradford]

I commuted by bike yesterday, from Denver to Highlands Ranch (south of Denver). It was mostly clear, but there were patches of ice from time to time, especially on the side roads, which was less than bueno. Not really ideal riding.

Also, some snow expected tomorrow and Friday, temps in the 20s.

Above advice is good, the skiing is great right now.

[gdw]

"I have to believe Boulder has clear roads. How are the roads going up the mountains though?"

Boulder doesn't plow many of the residential roads so unfortunately they can be very icy and treacherous. In my neighborhood the snow gets packed down by cars after a storm, slightly melts when the sun comes out, and then freezes as the sun sets creating large patches of ice several inches thick as well as sections of black ice on areas which appear to be clear blacktop. I haven't been riding the roads into the mountains this winter but would expect to see the same conditions on a number of them especially in the sections which don't receive much direct sunlight.

[r_serati]

Some guy was heading up Lookout Mtn (Golden, CO) as I was coming in to work this morning. I looked down at the gauge and it was 39F. The main roads are fine, neighborhood streets still have ice, and it's supposed to snow Friday.

[Neil]

Ok, so basically I'll have a blast if I can learn to ski on the plane?

[stien]

Is fat biking prevalent out there?

[Bradford]

Ok, so basically I'll have a blast if I can learn to ski on the plane?

How about snowshoeing?

[sandyrs]

What happened to Boulder clearing the bike paths first when it snows? Did I imagine that?

[MadRocketSci]

Ok, so basically I'll have a blast if I can learn to ski on the plane?

2 things you need to know: pizza, french fries....

to slow down, make your skis into a pizza shape...to speed up, french fries (like two parallel french fries)...this is all assuming you're kinda pointed downhill.

there you go! now get a helmet....

(tongue in cheek smiley)

real recommendation: go to keystone and take a beginner lesson

[mgm777]

What happened to Boulder clearing the bike paths first when it snows? Did I imagine that?

The bike paths are cleared, but the process is not perfect, and there is still lots of remaining hardback snow and ice. Also, Neil is a big ride cyclist and I don't think he'll be satisfied riding around Boulder on icy bike paths.

[sandyrs]

The bike paths are cleared, but the process is not perfect, and there is still lots of remaining hardback snow and ice. Also, Neil is a big ride cyclist and I don't think he'll be satisfied riding around Boulder on icy bike paths.

Cool. I'd feel the same way, but I'd also rather ride bike paths than not ride at all. Icy though? Not so much...

[oldpotatoe]

"I have to believe Boulder has clear roads. How are the roads going up the mountains though?"

Boulder doesn't plow many of the residential roads so unfortunately they can be very icy and treacherous. In my neighborhood the snow gets packed down by cars after a storm, slightly melts when the sun comes out, and then freezes as the sun sets creating large patches of ice several inches thick as well as sections of black ice on areas which appear to be clear blacktop. I haven't been riding the roads into the mountains this winter but would expect to see the same conditions on a number of them especially in the sections which don't receive much direct sunlight.

Yup..and some in my neighborhood have gotten summons for not clearing their sidewalks..Hardest part for me is getting out of my neighborhood. Roads east, north, south clear tho, around the republic. Haven't traveled up much. VERY cold now, some snow today and domani. Winter sux.

[oldpotatoe]

What happened to Boulder clearing the bike paths first when it snows? Did I imagine that?

Did a bike path bounce around day before yesterday and all I rode on were clear. Seems they do this early on. Paths/MUPs, yes, bike lanes on side streets, nyet.

[Neil]

I'm going to bring running shoes I think, maybe try to get out onto the "I have no idea what I'm doing" slopes at the weekend.

What can possibly go wrong, right?

[xjoex]

I have to believe Boulder has clear roads. How are the roads going up the mountains though?

I live in the mountains above Boulder, the roads are ok. The dirt roads are snow packed in the shade and icy and snowy in the sunny spots. The Peak to Peak Highway has plenty of clear sections, but hidden icy spots on the shoulders. Personally I wouldn't do it.

However the fat biking is PERFECT right now. With the tons of early season snow and not too much since, they are like a snowy rollercoaster.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ITfz3XCcNZU/Vo3XiyJyw6I/AAAAAAAAYk0/_oDVFugXY40/s740-Ic42/P1060427.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qhWmn0ElZ-4/Vo8MjpXuG3I/AAAAAAAAYmE/WtqWzY4R7i0/s740-Ic42/P1070485.jpg

And Rocky Mountain National Park is great right now too, plus they have rental snow shoes.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nJumXWA8Rnc/Vomsukdli_I/AAAAAAAAYgw/XW4W6Z17iFc/s740-Ic42/P1030247.jpg

All pics from the last few days for an idea of conditions.

-Joe

[Neil]

Thanks for posting. How practical would it be to live in the mountains where you are and commute to Broomfield, out of interest?

[oldpotatoe]

Thanks for posting. How practical would it be to live in the mountains where you are and commute to Broomfield, out of interest?

I live in Boulder, but know guys who live in Nederland. 'Practical' depends on your sense of humor and how much time you have. Only a couple of ways to get outta the mountains to the roads that go to Broomfield. Once there, easy to go east in the AM, easy to go west in the PM. I 'commute' to Broomfield 3-4 days a week. 20 minutes. BUT if I were in Ned, add probably 45-60 minutes, more if snowy.

[velofinds]

As someone who plans on spending part of this summer in Colorado, I've been following this thread with great interest. At the risk of hijacking Neil's thread, can anyone comment on riding out near Keystone Resort? (And if this is unwelcome, I'd be happy to split off my own thread.) I'm a novice roadie, so I'd prefer to stick to lightly-trafficked roads (though wouldn't we all?) and dedicated bikeways -- NYC taxis I can handle, Chevy Suburbans roaring down a winding two-lane mountain road at 10,000 ft I'm unsure. I found some existing literature online for the area but thought any real world color from the Paceline crowd would be useful and interesting to read. Thanks!

[r_serati]

There's some great riding up in Summit County. From Keystone head up to the top of Loveland Pass, or to Breckinridge them up to the top of Hoosier Pass, or to Vail. Lots of rides north, too on Highway 9. There's a great bike path and most of the 2 lanes have good shoulders. Fun place to cycle.


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[mgm777]

As someone who plans on spending part of this summer in Colorado, I've been following this thread with great interest. At the risk of hijacking Neil's thread, can anyone comment on riding out near Keystone Resort? (And if this is unwelcome, I'd be happy to split off my own thread.) I'm a novice roadie, so I'd prefer to stick to lightly-trafficked roads (though wouldn't we all?) and dedicated bikeways -- NYC taxis I can handle, Chevy Suburbans roaring down a winding two-lane mountain road at 10,000 ft I'm unsure. I found some existing literature online for the area but thought any real world color from the Paceline crowd would be useful and interesting to read. Thanks!
Keystone is a great place for a riding base. From Keystone there are several routes to explore utilizing a combination of bike paths and lightly travelled roads. That whole area is very bike friendly. For example, you can ride from Keystone to Breckenridge to Frisco to Copper Mountain ascend Vail Pass and ride into Vail for lunch and return to Keystone, via a loop around Lake Dillon, all the while staying on a dedicated bike path. PM me if you want specifics and more route suggestions.

Here's a shot from last summer, from that bike path:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3891/15227368896_62a8383bb5_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pcAfg3)IMG_0713.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pcAfg3) by axiom777 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32038769@N03/), on Flickr

[Neil]

If I, as a man who had never gone skiing before wanted to go skiing tomorrow where should I go, and how should I get there?

[xjoex]

Thanks for posting. How practical would it be to live in the mountains where you are and commute to Broomfield, out of interest?

For a short bit I commuted to Interlocken from Ned. It was 45 min each way. Which when you think about it is not that bad. But now I only go to Boulder 3-4 days a week now. The Boulder commute is super easy. You just need AWD/4WD and snow tires.

Housing is cheaper by a long shot. But the weather is 20° cooler all year. So the winter is longer and the summer is shorter. But I like it!

Send me a PM if you want more detailed info.
-Joe

[mgm777]

If I, as a man who had never gone skiing before wanted to go skiing tomorrow where should I go, and how should I get there?

Go to Eldora. If you can get yourself to Boulder, you can take the bus to Eldora, up Boulder Canyon.

[Neil]

Can I rent all the stuff I will need at Eldora?

[Neil]

Feel at the first hurdle- Flat Iron Flyer does not start running for an hour, fell back to hotel for coffee before mounting a fresh offensive shortly.

[Neil]

Checkpoint Boulder.

[Climb01742]

Keystone is a great place for a riding base. From Keystone there are several routes to explore utilizing a combination of bike paths and lightly travelled roads. That whole area is very bike friendly. For example, you can ride from Keystone to Breckenridge to Frisco to Copper Mountain ascend Vail Pass and ride into Vail for lunch and return to Keystone, via a loop around Lake Dillon, all the while staying on a dedicated bike path. PM me if you want specifics and more route suggestions.

Here's a shot from last summer, from that bike path:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3891/15227368896_62a8383bb5_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pcAfg3)IMG_0713.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pcAfg3) by axiom777 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32038769@N03/), on Flickr

damn, that looks like heaven. how do folks make a living where you live?:D

[Neil]

Skiing was frustrating, I feel like I made all the newbie mistakes, repeatedly.

Still, falling over at speed builds character.

Depending on how stiff I am tomorrow the current plan is to head back and see if I can't make fewer mistakes.

[xjoex]

Skiing was frustrating, I feel like I made all the newbie mistakes, repeatedly.

Still, falling over at speed builds character.

Depending on how stiff I am tomorrow the current plan is to head back and see if I can't make fewer mistakes.

If I may suggest, get lunch at Crosscut Pizzeria on the corner across from the visitors center. It is amazing pizza owned by fellow bike riders.

-Joe

[Neil]

I'm back out from the 8th to the 21st of April, possible to ride during this time, or is it running and skiing only?

[herb5998]

We just had a blizzard roll through, but it should be really nice then.


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[crossjunkee]

I'm back out from the 8th to the 21st of April, possible to ride during this time, or is it running and skiing only?

By the time April 8th rolls around you'll be able to do what you want. Perfect weather for riding, skiing / boarding, or whatever. Post up when you get here and we can try organize a forum ride.

[Neil]

Great, I will do so. I'll bring my Serotta CSi with me, show it the land of its fathers.

[Mr. Pink]

damn, that looks like heaven. how do folks make a living where you live?:D

Two or three low paying jobs if there is no trust fund.

[Mr. Pink]

As someone who plans on spending part of this summer in Colorado, I've been following this thread with great interest. At the risk of hijacking Neil's thread, can anyone comment on riding out near Keystone Resort? (And if this is unwelcome, I'd be happy to split off my own thread.) I'm a novice roadie, so I'd prefer to stick to lightly-trafficked roads (though wouldn't we all?) and dedicated bikeways -- NYC taxis I can handle, Chevy Suburbans roaring down a winding two-lane mountain road at 10,000 ft I'm unsure. I found some existing literature online for the area but thought any real world color from the Paceline crowd would be useful and interesting to read. Thanks!

Summit is nice. I'm here right now. But, it's not the easiest place for biking. First, the time window for road riding isn't too big, maybe May to Early October. Otherwise, you'll be dealing with really messy and dirty conditions. In a good snow year, which this one is shaping up to be, you'll still have a lot of snow on the passes in May, maybe even a storm or two.
There's also the altitude thing. Flat landers may freak out a bit when they start to pedal, and realize they are at 9000 ft going up to nearly 13000. Sleeping at 9000 doesn't help, either. You have to learn to slow down and find your zone. It's tough, though, and the first few days to few weeks are a chore just climbing stairs, sometimes sleeping.
The riding is great, and, yes, there is a sweet network of trails, one going up and over the Vail pass and back, totally off road and paved. Those trails can be a bit of a bore, after a while. But, other rides will put you on those two lanes with suburbans and, yes, trucks of all sorts. It's basically up, up, up, and then down. The grades are fairly gentle, though, nothing like, say, the roads in NC leading up to the Blue Ridge.

Good luck. Pretty place. Can be crowded, most seasons, because it's Denver's playground, just an hour or so away. Summer can be more popular than winter.
Plenty of road bikes for rent, too.

[Neil]

Ok, six days until I land at Denver, what should I pack in terms of cycling clothes?

[Louis]

Ok, six days until I land at Denver, what should I pack in terms of cycling clothes?

NWS forecast:

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.0511&lon=-105.2197

(will change over time and with altitude)

[herb5998]

Neil, we have recently had highs around 17-22C, lows in the single digits. If you are riding early, bring knickers and some good base layers and otherwise you should be fine.


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[Fuzzy2964]

I live in a suburb just South of Denver. Got in a 1 hour ride today around a State Park. Spectacular weather - roads and bike paths are just fine. Highs 60s - bright sunshine. As you head out of Denver and get into the mountains - it can be very different.

[Neil]

I'll have ~two hours after work to get some miles, so that'll likely be something like this:

https://www.strava.com/routes/3510643

Which I'm guessing will be bibs and a jersey at ~5pm.

It's heading into the front range on the weekend that I'm wondering about, maybe I should grab an insulated gilet before I head over.

[oldpotatoe]

two or three paying jobs along with your trust fund.

fify:D

[xjoex]

It's heading into the front range on the weekend that I'm wondering about, maybe I should grab an insulated gilet before I head over.

Wouldn't hurt for the descents. We are still in late winter up in the mountains. I have 2 feet of snow in my yard just 18 miles west of Boulder !

But it is hitting 50° around late afternoon. So when the sun is shining it is beautiful.

-Joe

[crossjunkee]

Weather is shaping up here! Keep in mind that 50-60 without humidity will feel warmer.

Perfect opportunity to get a forum member ride together!

[herb5998]

I'm down for a member ride for sure.


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[Mr. Pink]

The more I think about it, I would just suggest reading Velotel's posts about riding in the French Alps, and travel there instead of high Colorado. Much larger network of very well maintained roads with little traffic. Better food. Airfare isn't too bad these days, not much more than flying to Denver.

[Neil]

We have an office in Paris, it's not a 45 minute ride to the mountains from there, it is from our office in Broomfield.

Different type of terrain as well, the Alps are a lot younger, and the altitude difference is significant.

I wouldn't put one above the other, but I'm landing in Denver tomorrow, so that's where I'll be riding this weekend.

[velofinds]

Different type of terrain as well, the Alps are a lot younger, and the altitude difference is significant.

I'd be interested in hearing more about this, though I get the general idea. When I think of the Alps, here's what comes to mind (stereotypical, but gets the point across):

http://www.superlative-adventure.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Stelvio-Pass1-1024x768.jpg

Very different from the Rocky Mountain Range, obviously.

[Neil]

Flagstaff/Grossdam loop today, total insta-flat at the back coming down out of the front range, I now need a new tub, some cement and a brush- Vecchios?

[Neil]

Guy in Vecchios- lovely chap, really helpful, pleasure to deal with.
Guy in Excel- very grumpy, edging on outright rude.

I wish I could have got the tyre I wanted from Vecchios, but there you go.

Now, where can I find an old tubular rim to stretch this tyre?

[pbarry]

Guy in Vecchios- lovely chap, really helpful, pleasure to deal with.
Guy in Excel- very grumpy, edging on outright rude.

I wish I could have got the tyre I wanted from Vecchios, but there you go.

Now, where can I find an old tubular rim to stretch this tyre?

Community Cycles in Boulder has some tubie rims upstairs, at the intersection of the fork and tire areas.

[oldpotatoe]

Flagstaff/Grossdam loop today, total insta-flat at the back coming down out of the front range, I now need a new tub, some cement and a brush- Vecchios?

Better hurry, closed Sunday.

[oldpotatoe]

Guy in Vecchios- lovely chap, really helpful, pleasure to deal with.
Guy in Excel- very grumpy, edging on outright rude.

I wish I could have got the tyre I wanted from Vecchios, but there you go.

Now, where can I find an old tubular rim to stretch this tyre?

Grumpy at Excel? Shocking:D

[oldpotatoe]

Guy in Vecchios- lovely chap, really helpful, pleasure to deal with.
Guy in Excel- very grumpy, edging on outright rude.

I wish I could have got the tyre I wanted from Vecchios, but there you go.

Now, where can I find an old tubular rim to stretch this tyre?

Stretch on the wheel yer gonna use.

[Neil]

The tub I bought from Excel will be the new spare, I was going to strip old spare back off the rim it got put on earlier to get me home, glue it and stick it back on again for tommorow. That leaves me with an unstretched spare however, which is sub optimal. How hard would it be to mount an unstretched sprinter gatorskin, if it comes down to it? On a Nemesis. I know one way to find out.

[pbarry]

The tub I bought from Excel will be the new spare, I was going to strip old spare back off the rim it got put on earlier to get me home, glue it and stick it back on again for tommorow. That leaves me with an unstretched spare however, which is sub optimal. How hard would it be to mount an unstretched sprinter gatorskin, if it comes down to it? On a Nemesis. I know one way to find out.

That was the special tire you went to excel for??

Put a layer of glue on the new tire, and let dry for a day, overnight will do. Fold it up until needed, then unfold and stretch it with one end of the tire under your feet, and the other in your hands. Rotate 30 degrees and keep stretching. A few ticks past firm. Maybe two times around.

[Neil]

Matches the others, I've brought my training bike with me this time, although the 53/39 with 11-28 was a choice I had quite some time to think about today.

I've stripped the old spare off, the new spare is stretching currently, I'll go and find some dinner, watch drug adverts interspersed with BBC wildlife documentaries, then whip the spare off, glue that, glue the old spare, bang the old spare on, and then in the morning fold up the new spare and stick it under the saddle.

[Scuzzer]

Flagstaff/Grossdam loop today, total insta-flat at the back coming down out of the front range

The railroad tracks just past 93 frequently get me or maybe it's just the general quantity of road trash in that area.

Now, where can I find an old tubular rim to stretch this tyre?

Wish I'd seen this earlier, I would have driven over a stretching wheel for you.

[oldpotatoe]

The tub I bought from Excel will be the new spare, I was going to strip old spare back off the rim it got put on earlier to get me home, glue it and stick it back on again for tommorow. That leaves me with an unstretched spare however, which is sub optimal. How hard would it be to mount an unstretched sprinter gatorskin, if it comes down to it? On a Nemesis. I know one way to find out.

Pretty hard..put your foot in and pull, all around, gently but with 'meaning'..not recommended, can tear the base tape. Vecchio's didn't have any Sprinters? Or did ya want a Gatorskin? I can get you a rim tomorrow..nanny today tho. Unless you are in Boukder today, Sunday..I'll be around later, like about 11ish..I'll give ya a rim to stretch.

[Neil]

Thanks for the offers chaps- I really appreciate it. I'm not going to ask anyone to go out of their way, and I'll be around for a couple of weeks this time- OldPotato, where and when would actually be convenient for me to come to you?

[oldpotatoe]

Thanks for the offers chaps- I really appreciate it. I'm not going to ask anyone to go out of their way, and I'll be around for a couple of weeks this time- OldPotato, where and when would actually be convenient for me to come to you?

2744 Northbrook Place, north Boulder..11:30? Gotta go get girlies, then bring to my place, then need to leave about 12:30...busier than being in the shop.

PM your phone number in case I get 'granddaughtered'...

[Neil]

Would it be easier if I swing by the shop in the week?

[oldpotatoe]

Would it be easier if I swing by the shop in the week?

Not at shop, I can leave a couple there and you can come by at your convenience or drop by my house today, whatever is easiest.

[Neil]

With my lack of vehicle it'd be easiest if I could drop by the shop without having to hit a specific time frame - I really don't want to leave you hanging around due to my inability to locate the correct bus.

What's the name of your establishment?

[Neil]

The tub that punctured is in the bin now, I did try to get some air into it in order to find the puncture - however the air came out as fast as I tried to get it in with a track pump.

Which suggests to me a pinch flat type deal, especially given the lack of a visible puncture on the tyre itself that is anywhere near large enough to explain the sudden total deflation?

[oldpotatoe]

With my lack of vehicle it'd be easiest if I could drop by the shop without having to hit a specific time frame - I really don't want to leave you hanging around due to my inability to locate the correct bus.

What's the name of your establishment?

Vecchio's, u place I used to own, I'll leave a couple there on Monday. Get at your convenience.

[Neil]

Hah, the place I was in yesterday with ALL the Moots?

[oldpotatoe]

Hah, the place I was in yesterday with ALL the Moots?

Yup. I'll bring a couple over there.

[Neil]

Thanks, really appreciate this.

[oldpotatoe]

Thanks, really appreciate this.

No problema .buy a tshirt or something....

[oldpotatoe]

No problema .buy a tshirt or something....

Be there after about 1pm Monday, gotta ride first.;)

[Neil]

Rims picked up, no T-shirts in my size so I've ordered a couple of King Ti cages and will pick those up when they arrive - many thanks.

On a different note, it would appear that the weather Gods have decided that we get snow, and lots of it this weekend - I was going to ride my bike but that looks like it might be unwise now, what should I do instead?

(I went to the Samurai exhibition last weekend).

[crossjunkee]

On a different note, it would appear that the weather Gods have decided that we get snow, and lots of it this weekend - I was going to ride my bike but that looks like it might be unwise now, what should I do instead?



Leave for Breck NOW. That's where I would be if I was committed to family obligations this weekend!

[gdw]

Stock up on your favorite intoxicants and stay off the roads.

[Louis]

I was going to ride my bike but that looks like it might be unwise now, what should I do instead?

Become a ski bum?

[Neil]

Is it going to be possible to get to the resorts if I left Saturday morning? I'd be reliant on public transport.

[gdw]

If we get the snowstorm they are predicting there is a good chance that Rte 70 might be closed.

[crossjunkee]

Is it going to be possible to get to the resorts if I left Saturday morning? I'd be reliant on public transport.

That's a tough question. I would say no if you have to rely on public transportation. Keep checking cotrip.org for updates and traffic cameras.

Too bad Eldora closed for the season. You could rent some XC skis and head up there anyway, the trails are probably still in great shape. Look for the Jenny Trail system if you think that might be an option for you.

[likebikes]

hop on greyhound or bustang tonight to frisco and you'll make it.

tomorrow you won't.

i bet lots of the motels in frisco have cheaper off season rates right now. there's free busses to all of the ski areas, car not necessary.

[Neil]

Would the skiing be suitable for someone (me) who has gone skiing twice in his life before?

[Louis]

Would the skiing be suitable for someone (me) who has gone skiing twice in his life before?

Does that really matter? ;)

http://www.tomorrowstarted.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/iselin-steiro-mikael-jansson-vogue-sexy-ski-bunny-girl-3-480x640.jpg

[Louis]

And there's this:

http://nyti.ms/1SNVD3l

Not really recommending this, but it's in the NYT Travel section and so apropos, I couldn't resist:

Taking a Trip, Literally, on Colorado’s Pot Trail

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/04/17/travel/17COLORODO/17COLORODO-master675.jpg

[Neil]

Got home from work at around 5pm, sat on the sofa, woke up at 3am, went to bed, got up at 7am this morning to I70 being closed.

It's now 09:49, if I don't leave here (Broomfield) then the biggest excitement I have to look forward to is the pizza place over the road opening at 11.

Therefore, Coloradians (and others with an opinion) to where shall I set my sights this day?

[oldpotatoe]

Got home from work at around 5pm, sat on the sofa, woke up at 3am, went to bed, got up at 7am this morning to I70 being closed.

It's now 09:49, if I don't leave here (Broomfield) then the biggest excitement I have to look forward to is the pizza place over the road opening at 11.

Therefore, Coloradians (and others with an opinion) to where shall I set my sights this day?

Got netflix?

https://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/blog/10-cycling-movies-on-netflix

[Louis]

Have you read the famous "Clamato" thread ATH? That could give you a few good pointers.

[Schmed]

Got home from work at around 5pm, sat on the sofa, woke up at 3am, went to bed, got up at 7am this morning to I70 being closed.

It's now 09:49, if I don't leave here (Broomfield) then the biggest excitement I have to look forward to is the pizza place over the road opening at 11.

Therefore, Coloradians (and others with an opinion) to where shall I set my sights this day?

- Microbrew beer tour?
- Nice walk through CU Campus / Boulder
- 40% off any one item at Boulder Cyclosport (with coupon). Today/tomorrow only.
- Shovel my driveway?
- Hike / snowshoe at Chataqua (sp?)
- Museums in Denver

Or... ride a bike....

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j192/schmed123/B0065091-EFD3-4A4F-AB1B-72708093C8EB-948-000000FAD6802EC0_zps8f48aec1.jpg

[Neil]

I could hike Chataqua, I have trainers, jeans and a Rapha transfer jacket (plus colourfull scarf), not sure that's the recommended level of equipment - will I die?

I'd love to ride my bike, it's right here with me - but not sure that it's the most practical choice for todays conditions:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3695/11132587965_2ecd8d1ec9_b.jpg

Chataqua does sound like a good option, can I hire a decent jacket/trousers/etc from somewhere in Boulder?

[Louis]

http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/nahbs-blues-stranded-kansas-31681.html

More seriously, how about something like a rock-climbing gym / yoga / judo / karate for beginners? All that would be inside and fun. And given where you are, those type of places must be on every other street corner.

[Schmed]

I could hike Chataqua, I have trainers, jeans and a Rapha transfer jacket (plus colourfull scarf), not sure that's the recommended level of equipment - will I die?


Yes.... someday. Not today!

Try a second hand store / thrift store for some cheap clothes to keep you warm.

I like the idea posted about a climbing gym. Went to one last night in Golden and it looks to be fun.

[Neil]

In walking distance we have:

- The First Bank Centre (MMA and Justin Beiber)
- Protos Pizza (nice pizza)
- Colorado Keg House (I haven't had a drink since 2010, so the appeal here is limited)
- The gym (I'll go here when I've finished my tea)

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1557/26190805920_f99bfb3162_b.jpg

If the bus service is running then Boulder and/or Denver are pretty easy to get to along US-36, I imagine I could get connecting bus services in order to travel elsewhere.

In other news, the TV just started working, so it would appear that the satellite dish has shed its load of snow.

[Neil]

Best place to get snowshoes and some gloves either in, or on the way to, Boulder?

Snow is a foot deep here in Broomfield, assuming it's going to be deeper at Chataqua.

[pbarry]

REI on 28th St., South of Walnut. You can rent the snowshoes.

[gdw]

I live below Chautaqua and we have 15" of snow and slush so far. Make sure to wear a hat and waterproof or water resistant jacket if you go exploring. Lots of wet snow is falling down from the tree limbs overhanging the trails.

[Neil]

Have: waterproof jacket, trousers, shoes.

Need: snowshoes, waterproof gloves (maybe).

REI- ten minutes or so walk from Boulder station?

I am guessing that an Uber from REI to Chataqua is the best plan?

Thanks for all the help chaps.

[oldpotatoe]

Have: waterproof jacket, trousers, shoes.

Need: snowshoes, waterproof gloves (maybe).

REI- ten minutes or so walk from Boulder station?

I am guessing that an Uber from REI to Chataqua is the best plan?

Thanks for all the help chaps.

Lot more than 10 minute walk from downtown bus station to REI. Around 15th street to 28th street then north 3-4 blocks. Probably 40 minutes or so.

[Neil]

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[cadence90]

Wow, beautiful.

[Schmed]

Very nice! Glad you got out of Broomfield! Weird snow storm - very deep snow, but 33 degrees, so it all started to pack down. We hiked and skied the mesa behind our house. Can't do that very often!

[Neil]

It certainly beat vegetating on the sofa for 8 hours!

I was (largely) on my own for a couple of hours hiking around, felt almost magical at times- totally silent, misty, snow-covered terrain.

Now I just need the snow to vanish so I can go cycling tomorrow...

[oldpotatoe]

It certainly beat vegetating on the sofa for 8 hours!

I was (largely) on my own for a couple of hours hiking around, felt almost magical at times- totally silent, misty, snow-covered terrain.

Now I just need the snow to vanish so I can go cycling tomorrow...

I rode yesterday. Wet but no snow. Actually saw one other person on a bike, a fat bike, roaring around on wet sidewalk/MUP..I mentioned that they needed more snow for that thing..she got pissed. I'll bet she was pissed already, cuz no snow on MUP.

Today riding should be fine, gonna be wet tho.

[Neil]

Interesting, where did you ride?

It was certainly very different in the afternoon than it was in the morning - the snow melted very rapidly through the day.

[oldpotatoe]

Interesting, where did you ride?

It was certainly very different in the afternoon than it was in the morning - the snow melted very rapidly through the day.

Just a 'bike path bounce around'..get on the MUP by my house(NoBO, North Boulder), go south to Table Mesa, up the hill to Broadway, toward CU campus, down the hill turn left by bandshell, up to above Eben G Fine park..stop, eat apple at entrance to Boulder Canyon...back down, onto pearl St, over to MUP again, to 30th, home..nice little 90 minutes.

[Neil]

MUP would be Multi-Use Path?

[oldpotatoe]

MUP would be Multi-Use Path?

Yp, I'd draw it but don't know how. Can't find a map either online. ?

[xjoex]

Nice job turning lemons into lemonade. We got 4 feet up in Nederland. It's almost too deep for the labs.
https://41.media.tumblr.com/78385303a914d6d500b25059ccfa8a88/tumblr_o5svyxOPJm1u1jegwo1_1280.jpg

Good thing, its warming up and already starting to melt.

-Joe

[Neil]

Heh, the dogs I saw yesterday were almost out of their minds with joy at playing in the snow, it was awesome.

In other news, short fingered gloves were a terrible mistake after work today:

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[Neil]

Gratuitous cycling cap photo:

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[Louis]

Gratuitous cycling cap photo:

Judging by the lay of the land it looks like you might have made it all the way to Kansas! ;)

[Scuzzer]

In other news, short fingered gloves were a terrible mistake after work today

Roads were dry out here closer to I25 but the deceptive warmth wasn't conducive to short fingered gloves. Welcome to spring in Colorado, blizzards, show shoeing and road biking all in a 3 day span.

[Ralph]

And next......sand and salt until cleaned up. I made the mistake of thinking I could do some riding around Frisco one year in late May. What a mess!

[oldpotatoe]

And next......sand and salt until cleaned up. I made the mistake of thinking I could do some riding around Frisco one year in late May. What a mess!

No salt, some dirt. They use Mag Chloride mostly around here but the roads never really got packed, mostly really wet. Road yesterday, dry but not very warm..mid 30s..

[Mr. Pink]

Roads were dry out here closer to I25 but the deceptive warmth wasn't conducive to short fingered gloves. Welcome to spring in Colorado, blizzards, show shoeing and road biking all in a 3 day span.

Yeah. Even though it snows a bit, amazing weather. I was up in the mountains when the '03 blizzard hit. I came down and rode the trails in short sleeves and shorts a few days before the storm, and back in short sleeves and shorts about ten days after.

[Neil]

Landing at Denver tomorrow, anyone out riding Saturday morning?

[OtayBW]

Landing at Denver tomorrow, anyone out riding Saturday morning?
I was in Boulder the last 2 days for a conference, but no cycling. Stopped by The Bicicletteria but no Spud. Had a nice chat with the folks in there, though.

One thing about Boulder: appears to be a very bicycle friendly place, but maybe a little too bicycle friendly. I nearly got taken out more than a few times by kids whizzing by on the sidewalk - and I do stay well to the right. Never once heard an 'on your left' or anything like that. It seems to be kind of pandemonium. :bike: