the new Pinarello F8

[sante pollastri]

here is the beast http://www.pinarello.com/it/bici-2015/road/dogma-f8

[CunegoFan]

When does the--umm, uh--"unofficial Chinese version" come out?

[sante pollastri]

When does the--umm, uh--"unofficial Chinese version" come out?

what a stupid question...

[Andreas]

what a stupid question...

Indeed.
Same time, same mold - just like before :p

[sante pollastri]

Indeed.
Same time, same mold - just like before :p

and same stupid people....

[CunegoFan]

what a stupid question...

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/33797718.jpg

[bcroslin]

absolutely gorgeous. first modern Pinarello that I've ever liked. can't wait to ride one at my LBS.

[oldpotatoe]

absolutely gorgeous. first modern Pinarello that I've ever liked. can't wait to ride one at my LBS.

Only if it has a unique BB and proprietary headset bearings...otherwise
Fergetaboutit

[54ny77]

yawn.

[thirdgenbird]

I don't mind it. It might look nice with one of those 2015 canpagnolo groups.

[distanc3]

First the wavy fork now the backward looking fork...

[dpk501]

Best looking Pinarello yet. Alas, they do nothing for me...

[happycampyer]

It must be a total noodle with that level top tube. And I guess all of those swoopy curves really weren't necessary for performance after all.

[csm]

Meh.. Looks like every other cervelo specialized trek etc.



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[CunegoFan]

Best looking Pinarello yet. Alas, they do nothing for me...

I had the oppostite reaction. The older stuff was fugly but this is something beyond that, especially the front end.

[Llewellyn]

Meh indeed.

If they really want to stand out from the crowd they should go back to steel.

[FastforaSlowGuy]

Only if it has a unique BB and proprietary headset bearings...otherwise
Fergetaboutit

Bicycling Mag is reporting threaded Italian BB, which might actually be harder to source these days than a BB787 or whatever new standard is next.


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[dpk501]

It keeps reminding me of a Kestrel.

If someone gave me that to ride I wouldn't refuse, but I wouldn't pay for one.

[velotrack]

what a stupid question...

Rude.

Otherwise, yawn.

[firerescuefin]

Don't care for it…and I like quite a few CF bikes out there. Still Pinarello…Still polarizing.

[thirdgenbird]

Bicycling Mag is reporting threaded Italian BB, which might actually be harder to source these days than a BB787 or whatever new standard is next.


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You can get record and dura-ace 9000 cups in Italian. What else would you need?

[gianni]

I love me some Italian.

Guarda che bruta. Dio cane.

Wow, pinarello sim to cervelo.... Occhio.

[sante pollastri]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/33797718.jpg

it rain some ····....

[sante pollastri]

Meh indeed.

If they really want to stand out from the crowd they should go back to steel.


yes...to the big bang era.....hahahah,you make me laugh!

[hockeybike]

Looks fun, but the back end just looks aesthetically meh. Something about the fairing protruding so far past the seatpost, I think.

[enr1co]

Looks fun, but the back end just looks aesthetically meh. Something about the fairing protruding so far past the seatpost, I think.

The seatpost top sharp angle design looks to be copped from the design of a 2008-11 Orbea Orca...
http://www.roadbikeaction.com/contentimages/2009/Euskaltel001p.jpg

[Uncle Jam's Army]

What strikes me as odd about this Dogma (and it's predecessors) is that it's design does not seem driven by any aerodynamic, engineering, or other performance considerations, but rather aesthetics (love them or hate them).

[rain dogs]

What strikes me as odd about this Dogma (and it's predecessors) is that it's design does not seem driven by any aerodynamic, engineering, or other performance considerations, but rather aesthetics (love them or hate them).

The Dogma F8 is claimed to have been designed in conjunction with the Jaguar motors/racing aerodynamics division and wind tunnel engineers...

so there is that.

[Uncle Jam's Army]

The Dogma F8 is claimed to have been designed in conjunction with the Jaguar motors/racing aerodynamics division and wind tunnel engineers...

so there is that.

That frameset is an aero dog, if you believe all of the publications who have reviewed it, compared to the offerings from Cervelo, BMC, Giant, Specialized, Scott, Canyon, Felt, etc. And it's one of the heaviest, too.

Not sure where the aerodynamic engineering is, if any, on this frame. Not saying it's a bad bike, I just don't see the frameset making any engineering advancements like so many other mfrs.

[rice rocket]

What strikes me as odd about this Dogma (and it's predecessors) is that it's design does not seem driven by any aerodynamic, engineering, or other performance considerations, but rather aesthetics (love them or hate them).

The only way that Italians know.

[sante pollastri]

The only way that Italians know.

what????
Clean your dirty tongue before speaking of Italian.

[fuzzalow]

what a stupid question...

and same stupid people....

yes...to the big bang era.....hahahah,you make me laugh!

what????
Clean your dirty tongue before speaking of Italian.

Man, you are trying way too hard. Throttle it back a bit - snark is rarely construed as wit.

I'll bet you have something interesting to say; you run the risk that people might not hear it because the way you deliver your message is toe-to-toe while in their face. What works here isn't what works there - content, not conformity.

[wallymann]

...is based on froomie's god-awful position.

http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Pinarello-Jaguar-aero-cff-600x372.jpg

[fuzzalow]

...is based on froomie's god-awful position.

Ha! Froome wishes he had a position half as good as the wind tunnel mannequin.

That graph chart, with its loosey-goosey axis labels, doesn't mean anything but to convey "less". Without intending to, the cross section of the stark white mannequin against the carbon black bike frame deemphasizes the significance of 0.1% gains in frame aero - just 'cos it's measureable don't mean it's real.

F8 is just another bike popped outta a mold. Swell.

[oldpotatoe]

You can get record and dura-ace 9000 cups in Italian. What else would you need?

Only really need Record cups...

[happycampyer]

Maybe the idea was to discourage counterfeiters by making it look like a Litespeed—or better yet, Pinarello wanted to one-up the counterfeiters by knocking off a generic Chinese carbon frame.

[sante pollastri]

Man, you are trying way too hard. Throttle it back a bit - snark is rarely construed as wit.

I'll bet you have something interesting to say; you run the risk that people might not hear it because the way you deliver your message is toe-to-toe while in their face. What works here isn't what works there - content, not conformity.
be quiet,fuzzy.

[oldpotatoe]

yes...to the big bang era.....hahahah,you make me laugh!

You love this Pinarello(yawn) but don't like the same swoopyness and similarity to other(Asian) bike things..like the new Campagnolo crankset..??

Color me

[sante pollastri]

You love this Pinarello(yawn) but don't like the same swoopyness and similarity to other(Asian) bike things..like the new Campagnolo crankset..??

Color me

yes,have you got some problems?

[oldpotatoe]

yes,have you got some problems?

isn't me, no problems at all....I have a firm grasp on what I like and don't.

[sante pollastri]

isn't me, no problems at all....I have a firm grasp on what I like and don't.

bravo!

[Climb01742]

If the engineering on the frame makes no sense, that would be jaguar's contribution.;)

[spacemen3]

The Dogma continues to get better looking, but it still has a ways to go to be as sexy as a Carrera Hercules. :)

[laupsi]

Regardless of the apperance, what it is the point of "heavy" carbon frame?

[thirdgenbird]

Only really need Record cups...
I don't disagree.


I wouldn't call the new dogma pretty, but it looks just about as good as any other mass produced carbon frame. If it returns similar levels of performance/comfort while using a threaded bottom bracket and standard road calipers (not hidden under the chainstay) why not?

Regardless of the apperance, what it is the point of "heavy" carbon frame?
What will it weight with 1400g wheels and record/9000? Light enough for team sky. Probably light enough for a club ride.

[sante pollastri]

The Dogma continues to get better looking, but it still has a ways to go to be as sexy as a Carrera Hercules. :)

agree,but probably the f8 is faster,mr Froome himsellf tested and improved the prototype some months ago.this is the added value of mass production big brands,they have racing DNA.

[FlashUNC]

Looks like an Orbea Orca to me.

[oldpotatoe]

agree,but probably the f8 is faster,mr Froome himsellf tested and improved the prototype some months ago.this is the added value of mass production big brands,they have racing DNA.

Wonder how many he's getting..

[sante pollastri]

Wonder how many he's getting..

ask him,is on fbook...

[sante pollastri]

Looks like an Orbea Orca to me.

the same hidden Seat clamp,like the new specy sl5.
Probably is the best way to clamp a seatpost.

[leooooo]

...is based on froomie's god-awful position

I lol'ed

[firerescuefin]

mr Froome himsellf tested and improved the prototype some months ago.this is the perceived added value of mass production big brands,they have racing DNA.

Fixed it for you.

If you sell your Dogma or High level big brand bike or custom and expect to move up a spot on the podium, you're going to be disappointed.

[thegunner]

Fixed it for you.

If you sell your Dogma or High level big brand bike or custom and expect to move up a spot on the podium, you're going to be disappointed.

are you telling me that buying this won't make me the most feared cat4 in the land?

[beercan]

Ain't no serotta

[FlashUNC]

the same hidden Seat clamp,like the new specy sl5.
Probably is the best way to clamp a seatpost.

Oh it's more than the seat clamp.

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/tech/orbea/tdf10orbea-040.jpg

[phcollard]

Nvm...

[oldpotatoe]

ask him,is on fbook...

What is this thing, 'Facebook'???

[sante pollastri]

Fixed it for you.

If you sell your Dogma or High level big brand bike or custom and expect to move up a spot on the podium, you're going to be disappointed.

no,I simply ride a better bike.
It' s not so hard to understand,let try

[sante pollastri]

What is this thing, 'Facebook'???

great!:hello:

[bcroslin]

isn't me, no problems at all....I have a firm grasp on what I like and don't.

best post of the year so far!

[texbike]

The Dogma F8 is claimed to have been designed in conjunction with the Jaguar motors/racing aerodynamics division and wind tunnel engineers...

so there is that.

So, does that mean that the F8 will be the *best looking bike on the side of the road?

Texbike

* Reference to an old joke about Jaguar reliability for those too young to remember.

[Joachim]

So, does that mean that the F8 will be the *best looking bike on the side of the road?

Texbike

* Reference to an old joke about Jaguar reliability for those too young to remember.

If you wake up and there is not oil on the garage floor, something is wrong with the car :).

[texbike]

If you wake up and there is not oil on the garage floor, something is wrong with the car :).

In this case, oil will be dripping from the HS and BB and the bike will have dodgy electronic shifting. ;)

Texbike

[mcteague]

Hmmm, in my world, F8 boots to safe mode? Interesting.

Tim

[FastforaSlowGuy]

The only thing worse than the propagation of new BB standards is all these new seatpost systems. Heaven forbid you ever crack that seatpost 8 years from now and have to find a new one. And unless the warranty is a gazillion years long, I don't want the seatpost clamp in my $6000 frame to be integrated into the frameset. If anything in there breaks, I lose the entire frameset.

These frames are not made as enduring bikes to be enjoyed for years. They're made to be used for a few seasons and then tossed. Less Campy (rebuildable) and more like Sram (not).

Especially in a race bike, I want something that can take some abuse and be repaired. This doesn't fit the bill.

[wallymann]

Regardless of the apperance, what it is the point of "heavy" carbon frame?

designed well, a great riding and robust bike.

colnago has this figured out -- they dont chase every last gram.

[laupsi]

designed well, a great riding and robust bike.

colnago has this figured out -- they dont chase every last gram.

no thanks, I'd prefer metal then

[Andreas]

isn't me, no problems at all....I have a firm grasp on what I like and don't.

Yep,
but the new F8 P-dog is
- 12% more rigid
- 16% more asymetric
- 47% more aero
and the ledge on the fork improves aero at 100 km/h descends
(as per pinarello website).

Previously riders compensated for the lack of symmetry by keeping the wrapper of an energy bar in the left jersey pocket, that does not seem to be needed anymore with this update.