Tubeless for touring?

[Cornfed]

I'm building up a Salsa Vaya Travel as my take-everywhere, do-everything bike. Thinking of running Velocity A23s tubeless, but wanted to get some thoughts on viability when loaded up. I'm a big guy to start with; add on a few panniers and run the rig over some rough roads and I'm wondering if that's more than tubeless can take. Appreciate any guidance.

[Ralph]

Depending on spoke count, and even if you do 36, sounds like more than A23's can take (or are designed to take) for the use you describe. If you want dependibility. There is probably a better rim for use you describe.

[dekindy]

A23 no. Tubeless doubtful and I am a big fan of road tubeless. New Hutchinson Sector 28 road tubeless might be a candidate.

[oldpotatoe]

Depending on spoke count, and even if you do 36, sounds like more than A23's can take (or are designed to take) for the use you describe. If you want dependibility. There is probably a better rim for use you describe.

What he said..Other 'tour' type rims better idea..Dyad, A719...as for tubeless, ya gotta put enough air in any tire to not bottom the rim, heavy touring load...so I don't see any utility with tubeless.

[alembical]

agree with everyone else, but also wanted to add that even if was running them tubeless, I would likely have a tube (or likely 2) along anyway.

[JAGI410]

No pinch flats, reduced chances to deal with changing a flat on a loaded bike, don't need to carry as many spare tubes, etc. I'd go for it, maybe not A23's though. A burly 23-28mm rim, some 35-38c tires and ride off into the sunset! The Vaya is a great bike, I think it'll make a great do all rig.

[zennmotion]

What's the point? How hard is it to replace a tube? Even fussing with removing panniers over a rear wheel, 5 minutes max?

[Saguaro]

I'm running 700c Velocity Dyad rims laced to Phil Wood Touring Hubs, 36 holes in front, 40 holes in back on my touring bike. Panaracer Pasela 32c tires (with tubes). Bomber.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8433/7817441582_dd9f9c5de3_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/cUNr2y)

[Cornfed]

... is there a tubeless, touring-capable rim out there? I have the A23s on another bike and they're tried and true, so I was hoping I could stretch their intended purpose a bit. With tubes, I've used A719s, and liked them. Haven't tried the Dyads, but they look great Saguaro.

Thanks for all the input. I'll keep looking -- and probably asking more questions, so thank you all in advance.

p.s. I always carry tubes. It's the Boy Scout in me. ;)

[jasonlee]

The A23 rims claim to be tubeless compatible, but as with all compatible rims that aren't UST or specified match to a tire from the same manufacturer, there is no guarantee that it is a good fit.

Have you thought of a hybrid type setup that addresses your concern? Rob over at Ocean Air Cycles seems to have found a great compromise between the hassles and risks of tubeless by adding sealant to his tubes. Read the details on his blog. (http://oceanaircycles.com/2014/02/22/38mm-and-tubeless/?utm_source=Forums&utm_medium=The%20Paceline&utm_term=p1544496&utm_content=jason%20referral&utm_campaign=manual)

[oldpotatoe]

The A23 rims claim to be tubeless compatible, but as with all compatible rims that aren't UST or specified match to a tire from the same manufacturer, there is no guarantee that it is a good fit.

Have you thought of a hybrid type setup that addresses your concern? Rob over at Ocean Air Cycles seems to have found a great compromise between the hassles and risks of tubeless by adding sealant to his tubes. Read the details on his blog. (http://oceanaircycles.com/2014/02/22/38mm-and-tubeless/?utm_source=Forums&utm_medium=The%20Paceline&utm_term=p1544496&utm_content=jason%20referral&utm_campaign=manual)

I sold a lot of Stan's, then OrangeSeal in the shop, most for people w/o tubeless....sealant in tubes, back to the future(although it works a lot better than Slime).

[pavel]

I'm running 700c Velocity Dyad rims laced to Phil Wood Touring Hubs, 36 holes in front, 40 holes in back on my touring bike. Panaracer Pasela 32c tires (with tubes). Bomber.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8433/7817441582_dd9f9c5de3_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/cUNr2y)

that looks like a huge pain in the ass to change tubes. Close fender clearance and horizontal dropout... reminds me of my mondia. which was a huge pain when it came to rear flats.

[Saguaro]

Its actually not too bad to change a flat. I do have to deflate the tire to get it out but hey, that's what frame pumps are for!

[foon]

tried to help someone with road tubeless on the road yesterday. Small hole in sidewall and sealant couldn't plug it up. He used up his co2s and I lent him my pump, keep pumping but no Iuck with the sealant.

If you're touring you'd better bring along extra tubes, and be ready to put a tube in a tire full of sealant.

Besides burly tubeless rims, i'm not really aware of touring width tubeless slick tires. 50psi is probably the max to run ghetto tubeless, more than that you will want to use tubeless specific rim and tires.

I'll tour with tubes. Maybe you can try preemptively put orange sealant in tubes, works great for small punctures and slow leaks.

[jasonlee]

... ghetto tubeless ...For those of you not coming from the MTB world, this is where you slice a tube in half and use it as your rim strip. Mount the tire on the cut open (non-trimmed) tube "rim strip", add your sealant, pump it up and let it sit. Once you verify it's mounted smoothly and is holding, you trim the excess tube that is hanging out.

Or you could use gorilla tape and the valve from a tube like shown here (http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-repair/tech-how-to-ghetto-tubeless-for-mountain-bikes/).

[ceolwulf]

I sold a lot of Stan's, then OrangeSeal in the shop, most for people w/o tubeless....sealant in tubes, back to the future(although it works a lot better than Slime).

How much Stan's does one use in a tube if doing this?

Two-flat ride yesterday has me considering. Manitoba roads really are atrocious.

[oldpotatoe]

How much Stan's does one use in a tube if doing this?

Two-flat ride yesterday has me considering. Manitoba roads really are atrocious.

About 1/2 small bottle per road tube.