Heads Up: Bill Holland All-Carbon Frames!

[Jeff N.]

Pretty big news! I recently was in touch with Bill Holland and he told me about his collaboration with Mike Lopez (former producer of tubing/lugs for the Serotta Meivici) in producing an all new carbon frame for his line-up! The frame will no doubt be STUNNING! No pics yet but the prototype is now in the works, according to Bill. Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh. Jeff N.

[Joachim]

A Hollavici?

[ptourkin]

A Hollavici?
:banana:
It's called the HC and was officially announced at the grand opening party for the new showroom a few weeks ago. A signed, limited run is being done for repeat customers first called the HC Signature. They are completely custom and lugged.
Mike Lopez has been doing their carbon forks for a while.

Take a look: http://2014.handmadebicycleshow.com/exhibitor/hollandcycles/#holland-hc-signature-bicycle

[wallymann]

lugs...very nice!

http://2014.handmadebicycleshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/HCSIGFrtqrt-1200x1006.png
http://2014.handmadebicycleshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/HCSIGbackqrt.png

[Joachim]

The shape of the down tube at the BB reminds me of the new C60.

[pdxharth]

Is there anything about the nature of carbon or the manufacturing process (gluing, I suppose) that prevents those lugs from being more decorative?

A bit of flair to them has a lot of potential to differentiate from the many sleek, molded bikes we are so used to seeing (of course, I like them just fine, but something different would be cool).

Thanks,
Harth

[CunegoFan]

It looks "blocky." A weird mixture of curves and flat sided sections.

[wooly]

Is there anything about the nature of carbon or the manufacturing process (gluing, I suppose) that prevents those lugs from being more decorative?

A bit of flair to them has a lot of potential to differentiate from the many sleek, molded bikes we are so used to seeing (of course, I like them just fine, but something different would be cool).

Thanks,
Harth

No, i don't believe so. IF has used more detailed lug work on their carbon bike, Corvid. Check out their site.

[Bob Ross]

Always thrilled to see a known & respected builder offering custom carbon.

I'm curious about this statement from that press release:

"4.Molded carbon fiber lugs precisely machined on CNC machining center for micro-perfect fit and angle."

So they're molded first and then machined? Doesn't machining an already-molded CF object compromise its structural integrity?

[Jeff N.]

I'm curious about the BB. (BB30? Threaded?) and group compatibility (Electronic only? Mechanical? Buyer's choice?). Gonna have to stop by there and investigate.

[cleavel]

Very tempting.

[MattTuck]

Interesting... I remember that Mike Lopez and Bill Holland teamed up before on an exhibition bike with some pretty interesting Ti/Carbon design elements.

Does anyone know if Mike is still running the shop that was formerly Serotta Composites in Poway, CA? That was a pretty big shop, and I'm guessing that if he is still running it, that he is needing to team with builders to utilize that capacity.

[Joachim]

Interesting... I remember that Mike Lopez and Bill Holland teamed up before on an exhibition bike with some pretty interesting Ti/Carbon design elements.

Does anyone know if Mike is still running the shop that was formerly Serotta Composites in Poway, CA? That was a pretty big shop, and I'm guessing that if he is still running it, that he is needing to team with builders to utilize that capacity.

AFAIK, Mike L doesn't need bike builders to utilize the capacity. He does a lot of composite work for other industries. I'm pretty sure that Serotta never owned the equipment either. Maybe Mike will chime in, but its somewhere in the forum archives.

[wallymann]

its just a CAD rendering, i'm guessing the final product will be alot cleaner.

It looks "blocky." A weird mixture of curves and flat sided sections.

[pdmtong]

Always thrilled to see a known & respected builder offering custom carbon.

I'm curious about this statement from that press release:

"4.Molded carbon fiber lugs precisely machined on CNC machining center for micro-perfect fit and angle."

So they're molded first and then machined? Doesn't machining an already-molded CF object compromise its structural integrity?

this is how meivici's were customized...mike explained this here previously.

[John H.]

Is it weird that this frame appeals to me? (where a Mevici did not)?

[wallymann]

Is it weird that this frame appeals to me? (where a Mevici did not)?

not at all...those curved seat-stays on the mei-vici were a deal-killer for me.

[pdmtong]

Is it weird that this frame appeals to me? (where a Mevici did not)?

Me too

not at all...those curved seat-stays on the mei-vici were a deal-killer for me.

The holland has a much beefier DT and a more appealing headtube IMHO. Plus the flat ss and business looking CS just look better to me than the meivici

[ultraman6970]

That drawn looks super nice, kind'a BMC'ish. Like it a lot, that bike will sell a lot and probably for a lot aswell.

Did not notice, Threaded BB or non threaded BB insanity?

[ptourkin]

From their FB feed. This is the bike that's headed to NAHBS. I was told that the raw weave looked amazing, if you're into that.

[MadRocketSci]

can someone ask bill if there's going to be a Jet (travel) version?

[Hawker]

I does look a bit clunky, so I'll look for it at the show. I've found that most things like this look better in person.

I have a Look with carbon lugs so I don't mind lugs but that said...if I were looking for custom carbon the Landsharks sure look nice to me.

[wallymann]

lugs look klunky. they need to be a bit more tapered/thinned as they blend into the tubes. maybe even make them slightly artfully pointed, a reference to old-school steel lugwork.
rear brake cable side-port exit in the seat-cluster is a no-no. lots of left legs will brush up against that, wearing holes into very expensive lycra. my buddy's vintage zullo has the same deal and it's just bad design.
i'd rather the seat-stays be a little more svelte, that squashed flat look me no likey. and honestly they look way overbuilt -- seatstays arent under that big a load right? assuming some sort of flattened profile, i'd rather they have a more aero orientation.
the wishbone area of the seat-stays is just so broad and flat, again would want a more svelte and possibly aero look.


looks like a Colnago C60 mated with a BMC Impec.

http://forums.thepaceline.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1697877003&stc=1&d=1394573089

[gregblow]

looks like a BMC or legos put together. Not my taste

[ultraman6970]

Come on man, that frame is super schweet... Any knowledge of the price?

[Steve in SLO]

For those who don't especially like the look, this may be a perfect example of form follows function.
All I can say is that anything Mike Lopez is involved with will be very, very nice. The man is a carbon fiber wizard. When I last spoke to him, he was working predominantly in the aerospace industry. It's exciting that he is back doing something in bikes with Bill Holland.

[soulspinner]

The shape of the down tube at the BB reminds me of the new C60.

Thought the same thing when I saw it.........

[happycampyer]

For those who don't especially like the look, this may be a perfect example of form follows function.
All I can say is that anything Mike Lopez is involved with will be very, very nice. The man is a carbon fiber wizard. When I last spoke to him, he was working predominantly in the aerospace industry. It's exciting that he is back doing something in bikes with Bill Holland.This cannot be overstated. It's one thing to make a bike that's cool looking (to someone). It's another thing to make a bike that rides well and, if it's customizable (in terms of stiffness and geo), getting the stiffness right. When it comes to understanding how to translate carbon layup into ride quality, there are few if any who know more than, and have more real-world experience as, Mike Lopez.

[Climb01742]

It's all subjective and personal, but I dig the industrial, form and function look of the frame. Swoopy curves and aero stuff not my cup of tea. So as with most things, different flavors for different tastes.

And as has been alluded to, would love to hear Mike Lopez discuss the reasoning behind the design. Man knows his carbon.

[Joachim]

Has anyone seen a price?

[oldpotatoe]

I does look a bit clunky, so I'll look for it at the show. I've found that most things like this look better in person.

I have a Look with carbon lugs so I don't mind lugs but that said...if I were looking for custom carbon the Landsharks sure look nice to me.

BMC-ish...

[RedRider]

This cannot be overstated. It's one thing to make a bike that's cool looking (to someone). It's another thing to make a bike that rides well and, if it's customizable (in terms of stiffness and geo), getting the stiffness right. When it comes to understanding how to translate carbon layup into ride quality, there are few if any who know more than, and have more real-world experience as, Mike Lopez.

This frame is very exciting and the Holland booth is now on the top of my list for NAHBS. Mike's knowledge needs no further explanation and it's great to see he's been able to pair up with Holland and once again push the envelope. His innovative hands were handcuffed in recent years at Serotta.

[Fixed]

I like it too
it is a holland
Ti would be my choice
if I were ordering a frame
from him though
Cheers

[Chris]

Has anyone seen a price?

$7700.00 for the signature model. $6400.00 for the HC.

[Jeff N.]

$7700.00 for the signature model. $6400.00 for the HC.Not surprising...

[wooly]

I've been a metal guy for a while but this could draw me back to the dark side. Plus Bill's shop is too close for comfort.

[ptourkin]

lugs look klunky. they need to be a bit more tapered/thinned as they blend into the tubes. maybe even make them slightly artfully pointed, a reference to old-school steel lugwork.
rear brake cable side-port exit in the seat-cluster is a no-no. lots of left legs will brush up against that, wearing holes into very expensive lycra. my buddy's vintage zullo has the same deal and it's just bad design.
i'd rather the seat-stays be a little more svelte, that squashed flat look me no likey. and honestly they look way overbuilt -- seatstays arent under that big a load right? assuming some sort of flattened profile, i'd rather they have a more aero orientation.
the wishbone area of the seat-stays is just so broad and flat, again would want a more svelte and possibly aero look.


looks like a Colnago C60 mated with a BMC Impec.

http://forums.thepaceline.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1697877003&stc=1&d=1394573089

Relax about the lugs. Those are plastic mockups for NAHBS.

[Black Dog]

$7700.00 for the signature model. $6400.00 for the HC.

Will this evoke the same reaction to the price point that would have happened around here had this been an all carbon Serotta? :confused:

[jblande]

Isn't a Parlee Z0 in the same price range?

[Joachim]

Will this evoke the same reaction to the price point that would have happened around here had this been an all carbon Serotta? :confused:

Isn't the HC still 2k less than the previous Meivici?