Colnago C60

[Joachim]

http://www.colnago.com/COLNAGO-C60.pdf

Awesome.

[Vientomas]

Very nice.

[eippo1]

Holy downtube, Batman! Interesting with how far they went to say how much better the C60 is vs. the C59 and not their competition. Although maybe most people who would get a C60 already have a Colnago.

[bcroslin]

can someone just post a screen cap from the pdf? I can't get it to download.

[Joachim]

..

[bcroslin]

clover... nice.

[Fixed]

Love

Cheers

[AngryScientist]

my wallet hurts looking at that.

it'll be a few years, but i'll have one. there is nothing like a 'nago...

[Joachim]

my wallet hurts looking at that.

it'll be a few years, but i'll have one. there is nothing like a 'nago...

Yes...I'm looking at one, but either this or a Crumpton.

[RedRider]

Comments deleted pending release from Colnago

[Tony T]

New BB:

"In order to increase the stiffness of the bottom bracket lug without excessive- ly increasing the wall thickness, and conversely the weight, the C60 uses larger diameter tubing at the insertion points. To accomplish this, the C60 increases the width of the bottom bracket. This yields vastly improved lateral stiffness in the most critical area of the frame.
Colnago evaluated all of the bottom bracket standards currently on the market. The current BSA threaded standard is great for reliability, but does not allow for the advanced design requirements of the C60. None of the current press-fit standards met Colnago’s requirements in terms of reliability or longevity for the C60. Unwilling to compromise, Colnago decided to join the best of both worlds: the reliability and ease of service of a threaded bottom bracket, with wider platform and greater stiffness than current press-fit standards. Thus Colnago’s patented ThreadFit82.5 was born. Compatible with all versions of Pressfit 86.5 BB which are readily available, the ThreadFit82.5 adds two removable threaded sleeves. These are easily replaced in case of wear."

[christian]

That's nice.

Now, someone find me a 57cm C59 in PR99, please! Level top tube, obviously.

[krhea]

my wallet hurts looking at that.

It'll be a few years, but i'll have one. There is nothing like a 'nago...

+1

[binxnyrwarrsoul]

New BB:

"In order to increase the stiffness of the bottom bracket lug without excessive- ly increasing the wall thickness, and conversely the weight, the C60 uses larger diameter tubing at the insertion points. To accomplish this, the C60 increases the width of the bottom bracket. This yields vastly improved lateral stiffness in the most critical area of the frame.
Colnago evaluated all of the bottom bracket standards currently on the market. The current BSA threaded standard is great for reliability, but does not allow for the advanced design requirements of the C60. None of the current press-fit standards met Colnago’s requirements in terms of reliability or longevity for the C60. Unwilling to compromise, Colnago decided to join the best of both worlds: the reliability and ease of service of a threaded bottom bracket, with wider platform and greater stiffness than current press-fit standards. Thus Colnago’s patented ThreadFit82.5 was born. Compatible with all versions of Pressfit 86.5 BB which are readily available, the ThreadFit82.5 adds two removable threaded sleeves. These are easily replaced in case of wear."

Another BB standard. Yay. Pass. Few love Colnago more than I, but the C59 is the end of the road for me.

[Keith A]

Another BB standard. Yay. Pass.Exactly, how many BB standards are out there now :confused:

[texbike]

Wow! This is REALLY sharp looking! I can't wait to see one in the EuropCar colors. But yeah, another BB standard - that sucks.

Texbike

[Climb01742]

That's nice.

Now, someone find me a 57cm C59 in PR99, please! Level top tube, obviously.

agree. a c59 would be just peachy with me as well. with any luck, maybe the c60 will entice some to sell their 'old-fashioned' c59s.;) please, please.

[thirdgenbird]

Another BB standard. Yay. Pass. Few love Colnago more than I, but the C59 is the end of the road for me.

Exactly, how many BB standards are out there now :confused:

Without seeing it in practice, this at least sounds like a step in the right direction. It sounds like it works with current cranksets without the downsides of press fit bearings. Not that standard Italian threads have ever done me wrong...

[Bikawright]

hopefully they have traditional sizes... heard a nasty rumor they won't... :mad:

looks awesome! :banana:

[christian]

No, sloping only and in 2cm increments. Giantnago!

[wallymann]

LOVE the idea of a geometrically-enhanced BB spec with THREADS. IMO that design obsoletes all of the current press-fit designs in one fell swoop. if the new BB spec has right-hand 24TPI italian-threading then it'd be just about perfect! ;-)

now i'll keep my eyes peeled for a nicely priced Extreme Power in my size...as all the deep-pocketed tifosi make the C60 upgrade!!!

mwah-ha-ha-ha...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Mr_Burns.png

[bobswire]

I'd wait for the Chinese knock off since they usually give you a choice of BSA or BB30. :)

[tuscanyswe]

I really like the c59 traditional geo. One of the few carbon bikes i like visually. This seem to have enormous tubes in comparison to the c59. I wonder if i will find it pretty at all.

[oldpotatoe]

Exactly, how many BB standards are out there now :confused:

There are no BB 'standards'.

[SoCalSteve]

There are no BB 'standards'.

Post of the day!!!

[Jeff N.]

Another BB standard. Yay. Pass. Few love Colnago more than I, but the C59 is the end of the road for me.

Agreed. That just put out the fire. Jeff N.

[beeatnik]

Without seeing it in practice, this at least sounds like a step in the right direction. It sounds like it works with current cranksets without the downsides of press fit bearings. Not that standard Italian threads have ever done me wrong...

That's not the way I'm reading it. Threadfit 82.5, unlike Pressfit 86.5, means the cups (or sleeves as Colnago calls them) instead of pressing into the BB, thread into the BB sleeve. If it were the other way around Colnago would essentially be designing a frame with an oversized shell and BB adaptor:

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=29424&category=348

The cups threading into the BB sleeve would solve creaking issues. As for bearings, they will still be contained in their own cups and pressed into the Colnago threaded sleeves/cups.

This is a presfit system with, um, redundancies. Similar in some ways to the Praxis BBs.

http://praxiscycles.com/conversion-bb/

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7420/12916385813_e32ab1905c_z.jpg

[texbike]

No, sloping only and in 2cm increments. Giantnago!


Ahhh, crap. That really sucks. Unfortunately my perfect fit is right between a 52S and a 54S.

texbike

[thirdgenbird]

The cups threading into the BB sleeve would solve creaking issues. As for bearings, they will still be contained in their own cups and pressed into the Colnago threaded sleeves/cups.

That's how I am reading it. As long as the bearing/cup assembly is properly manufactured and cost effective, threading them into the frame should eliminate a lot of the hassle in relation to a full press fit system. It sounds similar to external cups in a threaded bb shell. The difference being that the cups thread inside a larger shell and are no lager external.

[norcalbiker]

I am going to start saving my coins. I used to have a C50 and love it and also regret selling it. Maybe when this comes out, the C59 will get cheaper.

[christian]

Ahhh, crap. That really sucks. Unfortunately my perfect fit is right between a 52S and a 54S.

texbikehaha, you and me both, Mike. My 54s is fine, but a 57 trad is perfect. R&A has a NOS 57 C59 in that white color - TWBK or something. Good that I'm cheap!

[Tony T]

Never mind… [I also posted the Praxis link, as the new Colnago BB reminded me of it]

[RedRider]

"Key to the claimed increase in the C60’s stiffness is an all-new bottom bracket junction, with Colnago’s brand new press-fit standard, ThreadFit82.5. Colnago say they looked at the currently available standards and decided none met their requirements, so developed a new one. The key is the wider shell and removable threaded sleeves which can easily be replaced. It’s compatible with all versions of Pressfit 86.5 BB says Colnago."

[54ny77]

i'm waiting until the following model year which is rumored to be approximately 23.7% better.

[downtube]

I can't wait for the c60 to come out. Prices on used c59's should drop drastically and I can swoop in to get my dream bike at last.
chuck :-):banana::banana:

[soulspinner]

I am going to start saving my coins. I used to have a C50 and love it and also regret selling it. Maybe when this comes out, the C59 will get cheaper.

This. I dont need more stiffness and bigger tubes, like the c59 look.

[El Chaba]

Call me a curmudgeon, but IMHO Colnago hit the high point with the later model C40....

[rice rocket]

New BB:

"In order to increase the stiffness of the bottom bracket lug without excessive- ly increasing the wall thickness, and conversely the weight, the C60 uses larger diameter tubing at the insertion points. To accomplish this, the C60 increases the width of the bottom bracket. This yields vastly improved lateral stiffness in the most critical area of the frame.
Colnago evaluated all of the bottom bracket standards currently on the market. The current BSA threaded standard is great for reliability, but does not allow for the advanced design requirements of the C60. None of the current press-fit standards met Colnago’s requirements in terms of reliability or longevity for the C60. Unwilling to compromise, Colnago decided to join the best of both worlds: the reliability and ease of service of a threaded bottom bracket, with wider platform and greater stiffness than current press-fit standards. Thus Colnago’s patented ThreadFit82.5 was born. Compatible with all versions of Pressfit 86.5 BB which are readily available, the ThreadFit82.5 adds two removable threaded sleeves. These are easily replaced in case of wear."

So it looks like BB386EVO, with threaded cups? That's not entirely new or crazy.

I don't even know what BB386EVO cranks are out there though, I haven't been paying attention. I stopped at BB30/PF30 because I like the narrower Q-factor it offers.

[jpw]

http://colnago.com/COLNAGO-C60.pdf

nothing there!

[Joachim]

http://colnago.com/COLNAGO-C60.pdf

nothing there!

Maybe not now. Yesterday there was and I downloaded the pdf.... PM me your email address and I'll email it to you.

[enr1co]

This...
I can't wait for the c60 to come out. Prices on used c59's should drop drastically and I can swoop in to get my dream bike at last.
chuck :-):banana::banana:

and this...
This. I dont need more stiffness and bigger tubes, like the c59 look.

The beefier look of the C60 will be welcome to some but for me:

-I'm satisfied with the blend of stiffness and compliance of my C59- dont think I need anything stiffer.
-Really dont care for the aesthetic of bigger tubes.
-Already got mine on the cheap being a back up service course bike :banana::banana:

I'm good for now but this is coming from the same guy who scoffed at the "need" for EPS :D

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/3577307/view/photo_004.JPG

[Black Dog]

How are the star shaped tubes not just marketing? There is no way that the Finite Analysis software coughed up that shape which just happens to be the same shape they have been playing with for the last 35 years. This is not a new bike as much as it is new marketing.

[jpw]

This...


and this...




The beefier look of the C60 will be welcome to some but for me:

-I'm satisfied with the blend of stiffness and compliance of my C59- dont think I need anything stiffer.
-Really dont care for the aesthetic of bigger tubes.
-Already got mine on the cheap being a back up service course bike :banana::banana:

I'm good for now but this is coming from the same guy who scoffed at the "need" for EPS :D

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/3577307/view/photo_004.JPG


Which EPS group is that?

[wallymann]

...like it's based on their MTB kit:

http://forums.thepaceline.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1697876502&stc=1&d=1393906001

http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2013-Colnago-C29-carbon-fiber-29er05.jpg
http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2013-Colnago-C29-carbon-fiber-29er07.jpg
http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2012/08/30/1346317571590-e33uzzz54vqd-670-80.jpg

[beeatnik]

So it looks like BB386EVO, with threaded cups? That's not entirely new or crazy.

I don't even know what BB386EVO cranks are out there though, I haven't been paying attention. I stopped at BB30/PF30 because I like the narrower Q-factor it offers.

It's BB86 (shimano standard) with threaded cups. Colnago calls it Threadfit 82.5 but the cups add 4mm (2mm each) for a system width of 86.5. It's not 386 because 386 has an internal diameter of 46mm and Threadfit 82.5 and BB86 are both 41mm.

[Jeff N.]

Call me a curmudgeon, but IMHO Colnago hit the high point with the later model C40....The pre-B Stay C40 is still highly sought after.

[Keith A]

The pre-B Stay C40 is still highly sought after.Just curious, why is this so?

[enr1co]

Which EPS group is that?

Thanks for asking - It has Record EPS Shifters, FD, RD.

Crank is SR Ti compact 172.5

[Jeff N.]

Just curious, why is this so?

The dual seatstays...no monostay. More labor-intensive. Provides crispier ride characteristics, kinda like the Parlee Z1 (dual seatstays as well).

[Keith A]

Jeff -- Thanks for the info.

[El Chaba]

Just curious, why is this so?

For a few reasons....First, it was the bike that every pro wanted to ride in that era...and with good reason....Second, it had a much more forgiving ride than any of its successors. There is an incredible race for ever increasingly stiffer bikes....IMHO, we passed the sweet spot in this race long ago...

[gngroup]

The pre-B Stay C40 is still highly sought after.

I have one for sale in the Classifieds section if you are interested. A nice little discussion about the C40 in that thread. I have had both pre and B-Stay versions. They are both wonderful rides!

[El Chaba]

I have one for sale in the Classifieds section if you are interested. A nice little discussion about the C40 in that thread. I have had both pre and B-Stay versions. They are both wonderful rides!

Somebody needs to snag this classic...If it were a 55, I would be on it like a rat on a Cheeto.....

[bluesea]

My dream Colnago was ;) the C50. May as well ask here-- is the C50 style threadless Colnago headset with the cone spacer, relegated to only using the cone? Can it run without the cone with smaller/shorter spacers, to get the bars lower?

[wallymann]

Provides crispier ride characteristics

i've heard guys that rode the Mk-1 C40 to find them kinda "soft" in the BB. bigger/stronger guys, though. so if youre a flyweight, probably not an issue.

i think the key improvement to C40s came when they added the flared DT to stiffen up the BB area.

even though i prefer the C40 Mk-3 design aesthetics (combo HP/B stays), IMO the funky rear triangle didnt make as much difference as that geometric enhancement to the DT.

[gngroup]

i've heard guys that rode the Mk-1 C40 to find them kinda "soft" in the BB. bigger/stronger guys, though. so if youre a flyweight, probably not an issue.

i think the key improvement to C40s came when they added the flared DT to stiffen up the BB area.

even though i prefer the C40 Mk-3 design aesthetics (combo HP/B stays), IMO the funky rear triangle didnt make as much difference as that geometric enhancement to the DT.

Yes, mine does have the flared DT for added strength stiffness to the BB. I don't think I'd look for an earlier model. As you said, it does depend on size/weight of rider. At 6'1" 165lbs, I'm on the bigger side of cyclists though certainly not a beast!

I love these Colnago C40 threads. IMHO, the best all-around bike of the modern era.

[enr1co]

It's BB86 (shimano standard) with threaded cups. Colnago calls it Threadfit 82.5 but the cups add 4mm (2mm each) for a system width of 86.5. It's not 386 because 386 has an internal diameter of 46mm and Threadfit 82.5 and BB86 are both 41mm.

Too many numbers for my pea brain- just give me the choice of english or ITA thread, and ease of installation/minimal special tools.

[RedRider]

Here's a Colnago C40 Gold Edition... 1990

[beeatnik]

Too many numbers for my pea brain- just give me the choice of english or ITA thread, and ease of installation/minimal special tools.

In practical terms, it means the BB is optimized for Shimano cranks. While beefier, the BB's internal diameter (41mm) is not wide enough for standard BB30/PF30/386 bearing assemblies as BB30 bearings have a 42mm OD. Not sure why Colnago decided to follow Giant and Scott as they're the main brands supporting BB86

http://www.competitivecyclist.com/shimano-bb86-bottom-bracket

[RedRider]

[QUOTE= Not sure why Colnago decided to follow Giant and Scott as they're the main brands supporting BB86[/QUOTE]

While the C60 will be made in Italy much of the line is built in the Giant factory in China. One might speculate that this new, for Colnago, BB might show up on other models in the future...

[beeatnik]

While the C60 will be made in Italy much of the line is built in the Giant factory in China. One might speculate that this new, for Colnago, BB might show up on other models in the future...

A "synergy" of sales, accounting and engineering working together to create a new BB "standard."

On the Colnago site, 5 of the 6 C60s are shown with Dura Ace cranks.

http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gallery/article/colnago-c60-released-blending-tradition-with-forward-thinking-40228/4/

http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gallery/article/colnago-c60-released-blending-tradition-with-forward-thinking-40228/2/

http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gallery/article/colnago-c60-released-blending-tradition-with-forward-thinking-40228/3/

[downtube]

This...


and this...


The beefier look of the C60 will be welcome to some but for me:

-I'm satisfied with the blend of stiffness and compliance of my C59- dont think I need anything stiffer.
-Really dont care for the aesthetic of bigger tubes.
-Already got mine on the cheap being a back up service course bike :banana::banana:

I'm good for now but this is coming from the same guy who scoffed at the "need" for EPS :D

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/3577307/view/photo_004.JPG


Man that is a beautiful bike! I ride a c40 b-stay and love it but the c59 has always been a dream. I have more time than money so i can wait this out.
chuck

[Elefantino]

On the Colnago site, 5 of the 6 C60s are shown with Dura Ace cranks.
That is so wrong on a number of levels ... :eek:

[C50]

I am at the Taipei Show and saw the C60 this morning. More modern looking with the bigger diameter tubes and shaped seat tube than previous generations but still distinctly Colnago especially when compared to other bikes with all the aero influences, tube shapes and brake placements. I got a few bad phone pictures that hopefully I will be able to post tonight when I get back to the hotel.

[El Chaba]

I love these Colnago C40 threads. IMHO, the best all-around bike of the modern era.

IMHO, the model that flew largely under the radar was the Extreme C....With its medium diameter ROUND tubes and tweeked chainstays, it provided a ride very much like the very last c40's...and had the classic look as well.

[wallymann]

uh, do you mean 2000?!

Here's a Colnago C40 Gold Edition... 1990

[RedRider]

Wallyman - Yes. I meant to say 2000. The Colnago C40 Gold Edition was from 2000. Tks.

[RedRider]

Here's the latest from Colnago

The C60 will be priced at $6199.95. The first shipment from Italy will be here next week. The C60 Disk will be available in a few months.

The C60 “Racing” graphics use lighter weight finishes with matte paint and ultra-lightweight decals in some applications.
The C60 “Italia” uses classic high-gloss Italian graphics and full painted finishes.
The C60 “Classic” uses well known Colnago style implements.

The C59 will continue to be sold until at least 2017 and continue to be priced at $5499.95 and $5699.95 for disc version.

[Keith A]

...
The C60 “Classic” uses well known Colnago style implements.Thanks for the info...but what are "Colnago style implements"?

[thirdgenbird]

Will the non sloping version of the c59 stick around? I would love to see a few 70s-80s paint options.

[enr1co]

The C60 “Racing” graphics use lighter weight finishes with matte paint and ultra-lightweight decals in some applications.
The C60 “Italia” uses classic high-gloss Italian graphics and full painted finishes.
The C60 “Classic” uses well known Colnago style implements.



Ahhh, that's why I'm still slow on my C59 Italia... I dont have the "racing" matte paint and ultra-lightweight decals ;)

Hopefully Colnago drops this lame 3-version marketing baloney and just designates it as the "C60" ( or C60 Italia consistent with the current "C59 Italia").

[oldguy00]

I know its beating a dead horse......but is is so sad how expensive some bike equipment has become. Over 6k for a production frame/fork? Geez...

[wallymann]

totally agree. it's obscene.

I know its beating a dead horse......but is is so sad how expensive some bike equipment has become. Over 6k for a production frame/fork? Geez...

[Mikej]

I know its beating a dead horse......but is is so sad how expensive some bike equipment has become. Over 6k for a production frame/fork? Geez...

just think, in ten years we'll be saying "remember when they were only 6k when they came out?" ha ha - I think the 59 is plenty cool.

[El Chaba]

totally agree. it's obscene.

C40=$4000+
C50=$5000+
C60=$6000+
....I can hardly wait for the introduction of the C70.....

[Joachim]

Its kinda crazy.. I might just email Nick Crumpton. More importantly, my thread is up to 6 pages now!

[Lionel]

I might just email Nick Crumpton.

good idea.

[beeatnik]

What would be the upcharge on a Crumpton which would include a Colnago paint job and the DNA of a bike which has hundreds of Pro podiums?

I keed, I keed. Kinda...


This is a cool vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgpwDqRuru8

[bluesea]

C40=$4000+
C50=$5000+
C60=$6000+
....I can hardly wait for the introduction of the C70.....



The good news is NOS C50 can be had for about half price now.

[RedRider]

When I was a kid I remember my Dad commenting "That $10,000 in cars on one driveway!" when we saw a Cadillac and an Olds Toronado at the same house.

[denapista]

http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2014/03/03/1393868823063-6ujyo3si3ii1-670-80.jpg

http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/news/article/colnago-c60-released-blending-tradition-with-forward-thinking-40228/

The C60 is not a hyperlight bike. A 56cm frame weighs 1,045g

Damn if Colnago somehow made this frame 750-800g in a 56cm, I would do what it takes to acquire one. Super Record 11 group and some sub 1000g wheels and this baby would fly.

[beeatnik]

Doesn't your Vagen's frame without fork weigh close to 2 kilos?

http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f11/speedvagen-race-bikes-10179-64.html#post583229

[RedRider]

Here are some photos of the Colnago C60 inside the Factory in Italy.
They are from Gruber Images and sent to us for dealer promotion. Enjoy and please respect their copyright.

http://www.gruberimages.pro/gallery-collection/Colnago/C0000tDYNUOq_W58

[denapista]

Yeah my speedvagen is pretty heavy with zipp 404 wheels. I can get it down to 14lbs with tubular wheels. I'm in the market for another carbon frame to add to my stable. Something more of a climbers bike.

[oldpotatoe]

Here's the latest from Colnago

The C60 will be priced at $6199.95. The first shipment from Italy will be here next week. The C60 Disk will be available in a few months.

The C60 “Racing” graphics use lighter weight finishes with matte paint and ultra-lightweight decals in some applications.
The C60 “Italia” uses classic high-gloss Italian graphics and full painted finishes.
The C60 “Classic” uses well known Colnago style implements.

The C59 will continue to be sold until at least 2017 and continue to be priced at $5499.95 and $5699.95 for disc version.

When's Maestro-UK get it? I don't know how ya do it.

[Bikawright]

Here are some photos of the Colnago C60 inside the Factory in Italy.
They are from Gruber Images and sent to us for dealer promotion. Enjoy and please respect their copyright.

http://www.gruberimages.pro/gallery-collection/Colnago/C0000tDYNUOq_W58

this is AMAZING!! :banana:

worth a thourough look!

[bluesea]

Its kinda crazy.. I might just email Nick Crumpton. More importantly, my thread is up to 6 pages now!


I'm liking where this is going. :hello: Here's a thread from a few years ago. I would also mention ergott's Ottrott was built off the numbers of a 53cm Colnago.



http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=77031&highlight=Colnago

[thirdgenbird]

hopefully they have traditional sizes... heard a nasty rumor they won't... :mad:

looks awesome! :banana:

No, sloping only and in 2cm increments. Giantnago!

Geometry charts show sloping and traditional sizes

http://colnago.com/geometry-c60/

[jpw]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/photos/colnago-c60-released-blending-tradition-with-forward-thinking

[jpw]

most importantly, what's the max tire size on the C60?

[54ny77]

i looked at colnago portfolio and a bunch of others. man, they take beautiful photos. loved the "weather" gallery.

Here are some photos of the Colnago C60 inside the Factory in Italy.
They are from Gruber Images and sent to us for dealer promotion. Enjoy and please respect their copyright.

http://www.gruberimages.pro/gallery-collection/Colnago/C0000tDYNUOq_W58

[christian]

Geometry charts show sloping and traditional sizes

http://colnago.com/geometry-c60/Apparently, the US importer are only bringing in sloping as standard, but level top tube will be able to be ordered, per the usual suspect from IBC.

[thirdgenbird]

most importantly, what's the max tire size on the C60?

One article I read said 25 claimed but a 28 fits.

[El Chaba]

No, sloping only and in 2cm increments. Giantnago!

It's a pity that the non-sloping (traditional) frames won't be imported except by special order (which has always taken quite a bit of extra time with Colnago) as they don't duplicate the sizes of the sloping frames but fill in the gaps so that effectively sizes are available in 1 cm increments.

[texbike]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/photos/colnago-c60-released-blending-tradition-with-forward-thinking

VERY cool! I love the pictures of it.

Apparently, the US importer are only bringing in sloping as standard, but level top tube will be able to be ordered, per the usual suspect from IBC.

At least they're available in traditional geo. An overseas source may be able to provide a stock traditional versus a custom order (Maestro maybe?).

Texbike

[gearguywb]

I would love one in 54S....actually any of you guys that need a new home for you C59 in that size please keep me in mind :)

[FastforaSlowGuy]

That's a lot of coin, but what a beauty. I've only had the pleasure of riding one Colnago (a short test ride of their aluminum World Cup CX bike), but even that left a lasting impression. It just rode so WELL. Like "this is how a bike should ride." I can't imagine what their top-end offerings must feel like, and my wallet hopes I never find out.

[RedRider]

Apparently, the US importer are only bringing in sloping as standard, but level top tube will be able to be ordered, per the usual suspect from IBC.

The C59 was sold in this way and it worked for the majority of buyers. The customers we've spoken with are more attracted to the geometry and like or are not bothered by a slightly sloping top tube. Custom paint and level top tubes can be ordered with realistic lead times.

[Charles M]

http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2014/03/03/1393868823063-6ujyo3si3ii1-670-80.jpg

http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/news/article/colnago-c60-released-blending-tradition-with-forward-thinking-40228/

The C60 is not a hyperlight bike. A 56cm frame weighs 1,045g

Damn if Colnago somehow made this frame 750-800g in a 56cm, I would do what it takes to acquire one. Super Record 11 group and some sub 1000g wheels and this baby would fly.



They could have made this at 800 no problem...

But they would have needed all super high mod / High pressure carbon with thin walls (to have the look and use the lugged build).


It would have been stiffer... Lighter...

It would NOT have maintained a c series ride quality.

[enr1co]

Here are some photos of the Colnago C60 inside the Factory in Italy.
They are from Gruber Images and sent to us for dealer promotion. Enjoy and please respect their copyright.

http://www.gruberimages.pro/gallery-collection/Colnago/C0000tDYNUOq_W58

Wow, Excellent photowork by Gruberimages- thanks for sharing!


The beefier look of the C60 will be welcome to some but for me:

-I'm satisfied with the blend of stiffness and compliance of my C59- dont think I need anything stiffer.
-Really dont care for the aesthetic of bigger tubes.
-Already got mine on the cheap being a back up service course bike :banana::banana:

I'm good for now but this is coming from the same guy who scoffed at the "need" for EPS :D


Oh boy, eating crow again :o

The teaser pics of some of the paint offerings are just killer! I may "need" to get a C60 just for that orange color scheme! (see the "Paint" gallery)

That new "C60" logo just smokes the "C59" logo- subtle, stylish and well done! :cool:

Also, that Master X light with the Mapei paint job is just crazy!

[denapista]

Realistically 1000g isn't that heavy for a carbon bike.
My old Parlee Z4 weighed around that much and it built to a 13lb bike.
This C60 looks super nice and probably rides like a dream, but damn on the price.
Gotta pay to play I guess.

[oldpotatoe]

Realistically 1000g isn't that heavy for a carbon bike.
My old Parlee Z4 weighed around that much and it built to a 13lb bike.
This C60 looks super nice and probably rides like a dream, but damn on the price.
Gotta pay to play I guess.

Of course not. 200 grams on a 95,000+ bike rider package....the ride is what's important, not gross tonnage.

[gearguywb]

Of course not. 200 grams on a 95,000+ bike rider package....the ride is what's important, not gross tonnage.

I AM gross tonnage!!!

[denapista]

I'll leave this wonderfully built C59 here..

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5485/11035154086_8789af38d4_b.jpg

[bobswire]

Enough about the C60, most of you can't afford it anyway but here's something you can afford and it's so much more versatile. http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?p=1506379#post1506379 :banana:

[thirdgenbird]

I'll leave this wonderfully built C59 here..

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5485/11035154086_8789af38d4_b.jpg

Spectacular.

[jpw]

after eight pages can someone now describe the feel of Colnago carbon please?

last week i test rode a Bianche Infinito and it was not good. a totally dead and wooden feel.

before the end of last year i test rode a BMC Gran Fondo (carbon) and that was also dead and wooden.

is Colnago carbon different?

[RedRider]

after eight pages can someone now describe the feel of Colnago carbon please?

last week i test rode a Bianche Infinito and it was not good. a totally dead and wooden feel.

before the end of last year i test rode a BMC Gran Fondo (carbon) and that was also dead and wooden.

is Colnago carbon different?

The only ride description that really matters is yours. You will probably get many intelligent responses but you should try to ride one yourself. I have a 54S C59 at the shop for people to demo and you are always welcome here.
***BBD, no you can not borrow it for a week! :no: ***

[oldpotatoe]

after eight pages can someone now describe the feel of Colnago carbon please?

last week i test rode a Bianche Infinito and it was not good. a totally dead and wooden feel.

before the end of last year i test rode a BMC Gran Fondo (carbon) and that was also dead and wooden.

is Colnago carbon different?

Tell me what an orange tastes like. Ride quality is subjective.....but I'll bet you'd like it.

[Climb01742]

It's hard to describe how a colnago 'rides' without factoring in the geo. Folks tend to either really like how a nago handles (I sure do) or not. One more reason why a test ride would be very useful.

[enr1co]

after eight pages can someone now describe the feel of Colnago carbon please?

last week i test rode a Bianche Infinito and it was not good. a totally dead and wooden feel.

before the end of last year i test rode a BMC Gran Fondo (carbon) and that was also dead and wooden.

is Colnago carbon different?

The "Colnago" stickers definitely make their carbon more lively, responsive, compliant, etc. ;)

Seriously, queries as this are certainly valid - it does come down to trying one out but with the limited opportunity and availabilty of high end bikes like a C59, C60 to test drive from shops/dealers you may have to rely on the blind faith built from reviews, recommendations etc.

[wooly]

I think a Colnago's feel is going to vary by model. But I think Colnago's fit / geometry is unique. It works for some, and some it doesn't. I've had a number of Colnagos in both traditional 56 geo and sloping 52. There's nothing finer than a C40. Love that bike. Now if Colnago could duplicate the snap and comfort in the C40, they'd have something special.

[Joachim]

It says that stack and reach is similar to Specialized Tarmacs....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/colnago-c60-released-blending-tradition-with-forward-thinking

[Keith A]

Interesting note about the sizes available...

While the C59 came in compact frames, it was also offered in an astounding 22 traditional sizes, a method from the old days, plus custom. The C60, by contrast, comes in nine compact sizes, five traditional sizes, plus custom geometry options.

[christian]

Head tube is longer than my Extreme Power in the same size. Not sure about C59 geo.

[ceolwulf]

Am I the only one that doesn't at all get the point of the star-shaped tubes?

[RedRider]

Am I the only one that doesn't at all get the point of the star-shaped tubes?

I'll skip the technical/engineering explanation. The star shaped tubing is also a nod to the Master which uses star shaped steel tubing. Colnago has always had shaped tubes of some type.

As far as the C60 ride... Matt Phillips from Bicycling magazine is the first to report...
www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/bikes-and-gear-features/first-ride-colnago-c60

[Joachim]

As far as the C60 ride... Matt Phillips from Bicycling magazine is the first to report...
www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/bikes-and-gear-features/first-ride-colnago-c60

I'm sorry but that is probably one of the worst "ride reports" I've ever read. Not to mention its for a $6199 frame. It essentially said nothing except that it felt stiffer than a C59.

[beeatnik]

You gotta read between the lines.

If I knew a cat who had ridden 2000 bikes or had to ride 2000 bikes, and he told me that a Fuji Altamira made him smile. That would mean a lot.

Have you seen the movie Rush?

[Joachim]

You gotta read between the lines.

If I knew a cat who had ridden 2000 bikes or had to ride 2000 bikes, and he told me that a Fuji Altamira made him smile. That would mean a lot.

Have you seen the movie Rush?

Yes probably. Not haven't seen rush but I've heard it's awesome. They should rather call the review a fluff piece instead of review or report. Us scientists are not used to reading between the lines.

[ctam]

Head tube is longer than my Extreme Power in the same size. Not sure about C59 geo.

The Extreme Power uses a regular headset whereas the C60 is integrated. If you factor in the top cap that's probably not included in the C60 HT length I'm sure it comes out pretty even....

[beeatnik]

Yes probably. Not haven't seen rush but I've heard it's awesome. They should rather call the review a fluff piece instead of review or report. Us scientists are not used to reading between the lines.

Of course, and I usually feel that bike reviews say very little. A while back I was disappointed by the Bicycling "fluff pieces" on custom "dream" bikes.

In Rush, there's a scene where the future Formula Champion diagnoses 2 or 3 engine issues while he's a passenger in a touring Ferrari. To paraphrase, he says, "god gifted me with a very sensitive azz." In certain matters, I trust experts. Robert Parker could give a Bordeaux a 99 and provide a few reasons, but more than anything I just trust that this man has a more sensitive palate than I. If Robert Parker says a wine is good, it's probably good. If a dude who has tested 2000 bikes says a C60 makes him smile, that says a lot.

[enr1co]

I'm sorry but that is probably one of the worst "ride reports" I've ever read. Not to mention its for a $6199 frame. It essentially said nothing except that it felt stiffer than a C59.

Yeah, the article goes over a lot of Colnago's back ground and a basic initial impression of the C60 - stuff we've read before but possibly new info for the Bicycling Magazine audience also looking for info on "How to Ride Your First Century" or "Cycling Glove Shootout".

Gotta say to the pics, Mr. Colnago is a good looking 82 years!

[beeatnik]

So you guys want this dude to spend a few paragraphs on the physics of decreasing radius curves and 71.5 degree head tubes?

[bluesea]

I know a few riders who had the expensive lesson, they couldn't learn to make a Colnago turn. For them and others, Colnagos can't turn.

[Keith A]

Just stumbled across this on the C60, but haven't read it yet...
http://www.colnago.cc/

[enr1co]

http://www.wrenchscience.com/road/frames/Colnago/C60/2014/

[wallymann]

i get that with my merckx and to a lesser extent my ciocc.

the colnagos, bottecchias, and gazelle i currently have all turn similarly.

I know a few riders who had the expensive lesson, they couldn't learn to make a Colnago turn. For them and others, Colnagos can't turn.

[bluesea]

Is this good? Maestro has the C-60 for $4085, Shiny for $4610. Shiny also has the C-59 listed at $3953.

[oldpotatoe]

Is this good? Maestro has the C-60 for $4085, Shiny for $4610. Shiny also has the C-59 listed at $3953.

I will never understand why any US dealer sells Colnago..Maestro has been selling at huge discounts for decades and Ernesto does nothing..good for consumer, bad for US retailers..

yes, yes, same for many Euro brands..Vittoria, Conti, LOOK...and Campagnolo

Big sigh

[pdmtong]

My LBS is getting one next week - prolly arrive Friday.
Looking fwd to seeing it in person.

[RedRider]

Savile Road will have a C60 on Monday. Photos to follow.
Maestro, like many of the etailers, is only taking orders... at least for the next few month the C60 delivery is very limited. First US shipment was 45 with very select color choices.

[bluesea]

I will never understand why any US dealer sells Colnago..Maestro has been selling at huge discounts for decades and Ernesto does nothing..good for consumer, bad for US retailers..

yes, yes, same for many Euro brands..Vittoria, Conti, LOOK...and Campagnolo

Big sigh




Agree. Had something to say but maybe I shouldn't .

Anyway I won't buy discounted current model Colnago, because my LBS is a Colnago dealer. I draw the line at 5+ year old NOS, so maybe in a few years an AD10 or Mapei NOS C-59 might show up.

[54ny77]

couple years back tried to buy a colnago from one of the authorized u.s. lbs's.

sent couple emails and a made a phone call, they never returned my messages.

guess they didn't want the biz, or didn't deem me worthy.

needless to say, i didn't buy a colnago from one of the authorized lbs's...

:rolleyes:

I will never understand why any US dealer sells Colnago.

[Salsa_Lover]

IMHO, the model that flew largely under the radar was the Extreme C....With its medium diameter ROUND tubes and tweeked chainstays, it provided a ride very much like the very last c40's...and had the classic look as well.


Yes, the ride characteristics were similar to the C40 but somewhat stiffer and more responsive out of the saddle.

The only aesthetic "problem" was that the head and down tubes looked thicker than the top and seat ones, making it look "unbalanced"

I prefer from that era, the C50 or even the Extreme power for aesthetics. The C40 for the overall.

[Salsa_Lover]

About the C60, my interest on it, is growing more and more.

I had the plan to order a C59 AD10 on a 56 trad, but when I just got my NOS C40, I decided to wait until the end of winter to do it, then it was announced there was no more traditionals and then now no more c59s...

Now I am not so happy with the fact there are no traditional 56 on the C60 nor AD10s, but probably if the customer base ask enough for them, Colnago may introduce them... I'd wait for that

[oldpotatoe]

couple years back tried to buy a colnago from one of the authorized u.s. lbs's.

sent couple emails and a made a phone call, they never returned my messages.

guess they didn't want the biz, or didn't deem me worthy.

needless to say, i didn't buy a colnago from one of the authorized lbs's...

:rolleyes:

Doubt it but I don't really know. My comment is about Ernesto, not US LBS'.

I'm guessing you didn't go into the 'local' bike shop but tried to do an online/phone type buy?

In my little place, with 3 people, you try to keep up with email and phone messages but the priority is 'local' traffic that walks into the door.

[RedRider]

About the C60, my interest on it, is growing more and more.

I had the plan to order a C59 AD10 on a 56 trad, but when I just got my NOS C40, I decided to wait until the end of winter to do it, then it was announced there was no more traditionals and then now no more c59s...

Now I am not so happy with the fact there are no traditional 56 on the C60 nor AD10s, but probably if the customer base ask enough for them, Colnago may introduce them... I'd wait for that

The situation might be different in Europe but I was told by Colnago that the C59 will continue to be sold for at least 2 years along with the C60. The frames are so different that they think there is a market for both. They have cut back on production of the C59 while they roll out the C60 since they are both still handmade at the same factory in Italy. You can order a C60 with traditional top tube or even full custom if you want... at least in the US.

[oldpotatoe]

The situation might be different in Europe but I was told by Colnago that the C59 will continue to be sold for at least 2 years along with the C60. The frames are so different that they think there is a market for both. They have cut back on production of the C59 while they roll out the C60 since they are both still handmade at the same factory in Italy. You can order a C60 with traditional top tube or even full custom if you want... at least in the US.

Alright, question..I never got a decent answer from Trialtir when I sold Colnago in the mid 2000s...their 'factory', wholly owned by Colnago, labeled as such or do they do other things and contract with Ernesto? It makes no difference but I've talked to people who 'visited Colnago', and it was just an office building..not a factory.

[sante pollastri]

Alright, question..I never got a decent answer from Trialtir when I sold Colnago in the mid 2000s...their 'factory', wholly owned by Colnago, labeled as such or do they do other things and contract with Ernesto? It makes no difference but I've talked to people who 'visited Colnago', and it was just an office building..not a factory.

bull····.

[RedRider]

Alright, question..I never got a decent answer from Trialtir when I sold Colnago in the mid 2000s...their 'factory', wholly owned by Colnago, labeled as such or do they do other things and contract with Ernesto? It makes no difference but I've talked to people who 'visited Colnago', and it was just an office building..not a factory.

In the US, the bikes are now distributed by Colnago USA, located in Chicago. Been working with them a few months and have been very pleased and impressed with their knowledge of the products (don't laugh), history (we get tons of questions on old frames) and great customer (us, the dealer) service. They have a new rep in our area and he too is very experienced and available.
Unless you are in the bike business you can't appreciate how many good products are not properly supported by the manufacturer, their distributor and the dealers.

[oldpotatoe]

bull····.

Huh?...is there a Colnago factory in Italy or is it an Italian manufacturing facility, that makes Colnago and other products, is all..I'm just curious..I aksed TrialRir in the mid 2000s and they wouldn't answer or didn't know is all...

For RedRider, I have no doubt Colnago is the premier Italian frame maker now in existence. No other motive, just curious if there is a colnago facory...just a question, read nothing more into this...

Never mind, I guess I should have done the google thing first..everybody can go back to their AM latte and calm down.

http://www.roadbikeaction.com/Tech-Features/content/67/4590/Being-There-The-Colnago-Factory-Tour.html

[oldpotatoe]

In the US, the bikes are now distributed by Colnago USA, located in Chicago. Been working with them a few months and have been very pleased and impressed with their knowledge of the products (don't laugh), history (we get tons of questions on old frames) and great customer (us, the dealer) service. They have a new rep in our area and he too is very experienced and available.
Unless you are in the bike business you can't appreciate how many good products are not properly supported by the manufacturer, their distributor and the dealers.

I know...just a question, not sure of the responses, Colnago makes superior product and supports it well......

[wasfast]

Velonews has a recent gallery of a visit to Colnago Italy. It specifically states that the top end carbon is still built in the workshop under Ernesto's home.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/03/gallery/gallery-inside-colnagos-tuscan-paint-shop_320874

"Colnago's paint facility is about a three hour drive south from its Italian production facility in Cambiago, just outside Milan. Colnago has moved much of its manufacturing overseas, but still builds its top-end carbon and steel frames, like the C59 and Master, and the new C60 frames shown here, in Italy. Photo: Caley Fretz | VeloNews.com"

[Salsa_Lover]

Maserati Blue ? or wait for the vintage paintjobs to comeback ?

[bluesea]

I don't know, maybe if and when the time comes $3000! NOS C-40 might be worth it.

[Black Dog]

Velonews has a recent gallery of a visit to Colnago Italy. It specifically states that the top end carbon is still built in the workshop under Ernesto's home.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/03/gallery/gallery-inside-colnagos-tuscan-paint-shop_320874

"Colnago's paint facility is about a three hour drive south from its Italian production facility in Cambiago, just outside Milan. Colnago has moved much of its manufacturing overseas, but still builds its top-end carbon and steel frames, like the C59 and Master, and the new C60 frames shown here, in Italy. Photo: Caley Fretz | VeloNews.com"

Nope. It is the steal frames that are built in his basement. The carbon stuff is made in another building in Italy.

[oldpotatoe]

Nope. It is the steal frame that are built in his basement. The carbon stuff is made in another building in Italy.

I think the link I found showed carbon tube stock in a picture, I think.

Yep....but pretty cool, small, hand made... I think one of the top 3 carbon frames made, IMHO.

[sante pollastri]

Huh?...is there a Colnago factory in Italy or is it an Italian manufacturing facility, that makes Colnago and other products, is all..I'm just curious..I aksed TrialRir in the mid 2000s and they wouldn't answer or didn't know is all...

For RedRider, I have no doubt Colnago is the premier Italian frame maker now in existence. No other motive, just curious if there is a colnago facory...just a question, read nothing more into this...

Never mind, I guess I should have done the google thing first..everybody can go back to their AM latte and calm down.

http://www.roadbikeaction.com/Tech-Features/content/67/4590/Being-There-The-Colnago-Factory-Tour.html

Colnago still produces in Cambiago the c59,c60,the Master and the titan frame.
http://www.bdc-mag.com/presentazione-colnago-c60/

[Black Dog]

I think the link I found showed carbon tube stock in a picture, I think.

Yep....but pretty cool, small, hand made... I think one of the top 3 carbon frames made, IMHO.

All the pics from the article are from the paint shop where the high end carbon and steel are painted. The steel frames are made below his house and the carbon have their own facility.

[sante pollastri]

All the pics from the article are from the paint shop where the high end carbon and steel are painted. The steel frames are made below his house and the carbon have their own facility.

the painting is made in Pisa,the building of c59,c60,master and titan is made in Cambiago.
repetita iuvant....

[RedRider]

She has arrived at the shop! The new Colnago C60!!
It's what they are calling a Classic color... it's a candy apple red fade to clear carbon. Photos don't do it justice.
It's a Colnago size 52S so if you usually ride around a 56 on other bikes it's probably about right.
Here are the other photos on our facebook page and a few with a C59 for comparison.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.407082722762510.1073741865.167444976726287&type=1
Oh yeah... $6199.95

[Salsa_Lover]

A 52s is more like a 56 ;)

[RedRider]

A 52s is more like a 56 ;)

thanks for catching my typo. lots of excitement here.:hello:

[sfscott]

What's the deal? There is SRAM on the C-59. April Fools' Day isn't for a few more hours!

[pdmtong]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/04/u9emu2uq.jpg

It's simply awesome in person

[enr1co]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/04/u9emu2uq.jpg

It's simply awesome in person

Wow...yours?! :banana::banana::banana:

[enr1co]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/04/u9emu2uq.jpg

It's simply awesome in person

Wow...yours?! :banana::cool::banana::cool:

[BumbleBeeDave]

Maybe he will post some photos for us? Huh? Huh? Please? . . .

BBD

[John H.]

Will it take 28c tires?

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/04/u9emu2uq.jpg

It's simply awesome in person

[Climb01742]

She has arrived at the shop! The new Colnago C60!!
It's what they are calling a Classic color... it's a candy apple red fade to clear carbon. Photos don't do it justice.
It's a Colnago size 52S so if you usually ride around a 56 on other bikes it's probably about right.
Here are the other photos on our facebook page and a few with a C59 for comparison.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.407082722762510.1073741865.167444976726287&type=1
Oh yeah... $6199.95

at least in the photos, the c59 looks a bit more graceful, while the c60 tubes look boxier. i'd gladly own either;) but since you've seen the both in person, how would you compare them, redrider?

[54ny77]

nice rig, gorgeous finishing, but the monster tube thing......not a big fan.

i bet that colnago is easily as big tube'd as my tarmac.

here, let me show you an illustrative example of el grande.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z113/jpmz06/Bike/IMG_3077-1.jpg

[RedRider]

at least in the photos, the c59 looks a bit more graceful, while the c60 tubes look boxier. i'd gladly own either;) but since you've seen the both in person, how would you compare them, redrider?

The C60 is gorgeous! The one we have is in the Classic paint scheme. The other one posted by PDMTONG is the Italia scheme. The "boxiness" that you see in print photos disappears in person. Yes it's got huge tubes. I can't put my hand around the middle of the downtube (I have big hands :) ) but the design flows well in person. The tubes are actually star shaped which is very Colnago.
The C59 in comparison looks more classic with smaller tubes. I've been riding the C59 a lot and it is an amazing bike. Those who have ridden the C60 also love it but say it is much stiffer than the C59.
I might have a demo C60 in a month or so... size 54
You are welcome to stop by the shop and have a look at both the C59 & C60.
We are having a Paris Roubaix Coffee Tasting on the 13th at 6:30 AM with the race on our big screen... All welcome

[RedRider]

i bet that colnago is easily as big tube'd as my tarmac.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z113/jpmz06/Bike/IMG_3077-1.jpg

Your Tarmac could fit inside the Colnago with room to spare.

[54ny77]

are you saying it will hold a stromboli?

http://assets.kitchendaily.com/styles/large/s3/finished-eggplant-parmigiana-stromboli-1024x682.jpg

[Caballero]

Hmmm, looks nice but I think I still prefer the c59. Time will tell !

[happycampyer]

are you saying it will hold a stromboli?

http://assets.kitchendaily.com/styles/large/s3/finished-eggplant-parmigiana-stromboli-1024x682.jpg
Almost as mouth-watering as a Dogma stromboli...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hXXyOFSHp_8/TK6Tx2TgSKI/AAAAAAAAA3s/RkgkyqOc23A/s1600/slithering+stromboli.jpg

My aesthetic reaction to Colnagos seems to always be that, when they introduce a new model, I tend to prefer the aesthetics (tube shapes and other small details) of the current model that the new one is replacing (or perhaps even older models), but then the aesthetics of the new model grow on me.

(edit: hadn't read caballero's reply, but he's saying the same thing)

The abundance of fat-tubed bikes for pros makes one wonder about the claims made by bike manufacturers about the superiority of aero road bikes—one would think that these bikes are getting marginally less and less aero (not that it would make a difference to me, but perhaps to a pro).

[Vamoots58]

[QUOTE=pdmtong;1525728]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/04/u9emu2uq.jpg

It's simply awesome in person

Wow, that is a beautiful frame!! I sort of agonized over the decision, but actually ordered a '14 C59 earlier this week. To be honest, the things that are being billed as the selling points on the C60, pushed me to the C59, namely Bigger, Stiffer. I like the aesthetic of the 59, and generally will opt down a notch on the stifness scale. LOVE that paint job though!!!!

[gearguywb]

I really "need" a C59 or C50....wouldn't turn down either ;)

[soulspinner]

I want a Corvid....ooops wrong thread:p

[Salsa_Lover]

special order versions seem to be possible

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll293/Salsa_Lover/C60.jpg

[jerrym]

The C59 had that great army green color. I know the website doesn't show this for the C60. Anyone know if this is available on the C60, or would you have to go custom?

Anyone else think the Colnago with Shimano equipment just doesn't look right?

[pdmtong]

evidently thats it for the C59.

you want a colnago? C60 is your choice