MXLeader EPS upgrade

[oldpotatoe]

Started yesterday..all wired and 'IT WORKS'..I think this is the photobucket link

http://s148.photobucket.com/user/chisholm2744/library/?sort=3&page=1

Gonna put crank in and glue rear tire tonight.

If this isn't the library of photos, somebody help me find them.

[gone]

You're a braver man than I drilling holes in those tubes!

[witcombusa]

sacrilege :eek:

[cmg]

this is going to be an interesting build. guts !

[Climb01742]

Better use of retirement than golf!;)

[Roger M]

Pretty neat. What are goin to cap the shifter bosses with?

Have fun with it.

[oldpotatoe]

Pretty neat. What are goin to cap the shifter bosses with?

Have fun with it.

Just cable stops used with ERGO, w/o the barrel adjusters.

I have a second MXLeader plus when punching/ drilling downtube, some rust, fun experiment

[bobswire]

Looking forward to seeing the finished product.

[Black Dog]

Love it. Great classic steel with a mix of high tech and classic parts. Keep the pics a'coming!

[texbike]

sacrilege :eek:

It does seem a bit wrong doesn't it?

Regardless, good luck w/the project OP!

texbike

[AngryScientist]

how come bar end shifters instead of integrated ergos?

[oldpotatoe]

how come bar end shifters instead of integrated ergos?

Kinda a long story...always been a Merckx/DeRosa 58cm....broke back in 2002. Healed but 3 broken vertebrae means I shrank almost 2 inches so a 10 vs 12 stem, 58cm legs, 56 cm torso. ERGO makes for a longer reach, didn't want a 9 stem, so bar-ends. Plus the Delta/Delta brake levers.

[FlashUNC]

Very well done. What did you use to drill the holes?

[Fixed]

Op rocks
just because we get older
does not mean
we can not think modern
Ideas and still be creative
Cheers :)

[buldogge]

Hey Peter… Do the EPS wiring bungs "seal" to the frame openings?

I am surprised that the drilling for the RD would be on top of the CS as opposed to the bottom.

I would make sure that it seals well AND that the BB shell has decent drain holes.

Internal acid bath and framesaver next??

-Mark in St. Louis

[oldpotatoe]

Very well done. What did you use to drill the holes?

5/16 drill bit....connectors are 7mm in diameter

[oldpotatoe]

Hey Peter… Do the EPS wiring bungs "seal" to the frame openings?

I am surprised that the drilling for the RD would be on top of the CS as opposed to the bottom.

I would make sure that it seals well AND that the BB shell has decent drain holes.

Internal acid bath and framesaver next??

-Mark in St. Louis

The wee rubber things do seal but also prevent the wires from rubbing on the edges.

Hole there on chain stay on advice from framebuilder.

Not gonna ride in wet much, but drain hole, since bb guide gone.

Pix today when done.

[jpw]

Do you think there's any possibility that someone with skills and tools might be able to hack those EPS shifters to become top mounted push button units?

I wonder how they're put together internally?

[oldpotatoe]

Do you think there's any possibility that someone with skills and tools might be able to hack those EPS shifters to become top mounted push button units?

I wonder how they're put together internally?

Well they're just switches. Doubt it would be very hard for someone, not me but someone.

[jpw]

Well they're just switches. Doubt it would be very hard for someone, not me but someone.

is it push down once for one smaller cog, and hold down for a complete sweep down the cassette?

i still down get how Shimano has a monopoly on top shifters as Mavic did that many years before with Zap/ Mektronic.

[SPOKE]

Just might have to do this to a CSi.....

[Look585]

Well done Peter. Makes me want to start hunting for a classic steel frame to deface/upgrade with Di2.

[FlashUNC]

Well done Peter. Makes me want to start hunting for a classic steel frame to deface/upgrade with Di2.

Can always mount it external too.

[wildboar]

Cool.

Maybe too late to ask, but can you show us how much grease you use when doing UT installation?

[oldpotatoe]

Cool.

Maybe too late to ask, but can you show us how much grease you use when doing UT installation?

PowerTorque crank, noT UT and lots..inside the cups, spindle, etc.
For the other poster, yes, one 'click' for one gear, hold, multiple.

It's done and this one took less adjust of any I have built(EPS)...I was somewhat concerned about the FD, since the seat tube is very ovalized where the FD goes but no clearance or other, issues..Rear der took about .5mm adjust in 2nd cog, none in 10th...Fder about 1mm outward adjust and it just works.

[bobswire]

PowerTorque crank, noT UT and lots..inside the cups, spindle, etc.
For the other poster, yes, one 'click' for one gear, hold, multiple.

I's done and this one took less adjust of any I have built(EPS)...I was somewhat concerned about the FD, since the seat tube is very ovalized where the FD goes but no clearance or other, issues..Rear der took about .5mm adjust in 2nd cog, none in 10th...Fder about 1mm outward adjust and it just works.

Very cool, strange seeing bar cons without the loopy cables. I'll bet you'll get more than a fair share of double takes when you take it on the road.

[oldpotatoe]

Very cool, strange seeing bar cons without the loopy cables. I'll bet you'll get more than a fair share of double takes when you take it on the road.

15 degrees and snow right now....maybe Wednesday..

[jpw]

v2 upgrade?

Will the EPS bar end controls work with EPS Ergo levers?

[pbarry]

Congrats on the project, Peter! You are walking the walk since the thread last year debating drilling holes for internal routing. :beer:

[oldpotatoe]

v2 upgrade?

Will the EPS bar end controls work with EPS Ergo levers?

Nope I wanna keep the external battery so people can see how cool I am.

Not sure what you mean with EPS Ergo.

[AngryScientist]

well done i say!

something different, for sure, i'm sure you'll enjoy it. give us a ride report when the situation thaws out.

[oldpotatoe]

Congrats on the project, Peter! You are walking the walk since the thread last year debating drilling holes for internal routing. :beer:

I remember! Wife(not a bike person) asked if it makes the ride better or whatever, no, I say. Why do this she asks.

Because

I

Can

[wildboar]

Just cable stops used with ERGO, w/o the barrel adjusters.

I have a second MXLeader plus when punching/ drilling downtube, some rust, fun experiment

Wondering about the rust you encountered during the process. Any idea where it formed?

[oldpotatoe]

Wondering about the rust you encountered during the process. Any idea where it formed?

I've only had the frame for about 3 years, frame itself is 24 years old, no idea of it's history. Surface rust, not severe, since I spent a day inside the tubes routing the wires. Also see the tubes aren't thin walled either.

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[FlashUNC]

When are you ditching the Deltas for brakes that actually stop? :banana:

[Black Dog]

When are you ditching the Deltas for brakes that actually stop? :banana:

Oh my.

[choke]

You're a braver man than I drilling holes in those tubes!No kidding!What are goin to cap the shifter bosses with?When I converted one bike to a singlespeed I picked up some black plastic acorn nuts at the local hardware store. They blend in well and hold to the bosses with no problem.

[jpw]

Nope I wanna keep the external battery so people can see how cool I am.

Not sure what you mean with EPS Ergo.

EPS brifters...on the drops.

[beeatnik]

When are you ditching the Deltas for brakes that actually stop? :banana:

Properly adjusted by 3 mechanics (2 of whom are in Italy), the 4th generation, 5 pivot Delta brakes, actually have some stopping power and work as well (and as loudly) as $45 Tektro V-brakes. Of course, you need those fuschia colored brake pads from Vandelay Industries; the ones made of salmon scales and gold dust from the American River.

Anyway, they're Deltas so it's almost worth risking your life. My front Delta (anyone got an extra barrel adjuster O ring?):


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2862/12900625593_1f87e95916_c.jpg

[fuzzalow]

Nice work and a most courageous undertaking. Those Merckxs were built tough and if there was any bike out there that could scoff at a few measly holes taken outta its hide, it's that bike.

Look forward to reading your impressions on how EPS works for you.

[oldpotatoe]

When are you ditching the Deltas for brakes that actually stop? :banana:

My Deltas work really well, as do any last gen Deltas set up correctly. I can skid both tires, if I wish, which I don't.

Have a local hardware store that has O rings..btw-

[oldpotatoe]

EPS brifters...on the drops.

No 'y' gate things for barends and ERGO together...not sure what you mean, barend EPS along with ERGO EPS..the barends plug into the interface just like ERGO does.

[Black Dog]

No 'y' gate things for barends and ERGO together...not sure what you mean, barend EPS along with ERGO EPS..the barends plug into the interface just like ERGO does.

I think that he was asking if you could run the ERGO EPS brifters AND the bar ends at the same time.

[witcombusa]

My Deltas work really well, as do any last gen Deltas set up correctly. I can skid both tires, if I wish, which I don't.

Have a local hardware store that has O rings..btw-


My CdA Delta's will skid both tires only if on sand or ice :eek: (these are not 5 pivot) They are "modulators!"

Still fine for normal rural riding and actually not much worse than their
single pivot sidepulls from the same era (both assuming factory pads)

Cool Stop pads do make for some improvement.

[oldpotatoe]

I think that he was asking if you could run the ERGO EPS brifters AND the bar ends at the same time.

Not sure why you would want to but there is brake lever/shifter button Tri bar/cow horn items made by Campagnolo, maybe that 'Y' wire could be used for Ergo/bar end shifter setup

[jpw]

I think that he was asking if you could run the ERGO EPS brifters AND the bar ends at the same time.

Yes. Thank you for your intervention.

[jpw]

Not sure why you would want to but there is brake lever/shifter button Tri bar/cow horn items made by Campagnolo, maybe that 'Y' wire could be used for Ergo/bar end shifter setup

i look at that.

i'm thinking of trying to hack the bar end controls to become top mounted buttons WITH the EPS brifters.

[oldpotatoe]

i look at that.

i'm thinking of trying to hack the bar end controls to become top mounted buttons WITH the EPS brifters.

Bet it's pretty simple, maybe even using a shimano 'button'....as I said, just switches.

[christian]

They're contact switches, right? I reckon you could take a gutted 9s Mirage lever....

[jpw]

Bet it's pretty simple, maybe even using a shimano 'button'....as I said, just switches.

i might try to mine the fairwheel mind.

[tiretrax]

Cool setup, Peter. Now, what kind of bar tape will you use now that you are no longer contractually obligated to use Vecchio's? Fuschia Handlebra to accent your frame?

[oldpotatoe]

Cool setup, Peter. Now, what kind of bar tape will you use now that you are no longer contractually obligated to use Vecchio's? Fuschia Handlebra to accent your frame?

I was never contractually obligated to use 'Vecchio's tape. It's a Merckx, not a brand Vecchio's sold.

Fresh outta frns also.

Think you were kidding tho....but gots no frns.

[jpw]

They're contact switches, right? I reckon you could take a gutted 9s Mirage lever....

are they? i'd like to see pix of inside. now if someone could just loosen off those hex bolts....

[oldpotatoe]

are they? i'd like to see pix of inside. now if someone could just loosen off those hex bolts....

Ya gotta take the barends apart to mount on handlebars..should've taken a pic of the innards, didn't tho, aren't gonna now-sorry..

[jpw]

Ya gotta take the barends apart to mount on handlebars..should've taken a pic of the innards, didn't tho, aren't gonna now-sorry..

I may try a tt lever hack instead. It already has buttons in a housing. half way there.

[jpw]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/photos/gallery-time-trial-bikes-at-the-tours-opening-prologue/229211

This photo suggests it is possible to have two EPS shifter options installed on a bike at the same time.

[wildboar]

Peter,

Can you post a photo of the bike from the side when it's all done?

[FlashUNC]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/photos/gallery-time-trial-bikes-at-the-tours-opening-prologue/229211

This photo suggests it is possible to have two EPS shifter options installed on a bike at the same time.

They've probably got a custom or TT specific DTI box. Thing to remember is there's only one cable running from the bars to the computer/brain. Both levers essentially hook into connectors from the DTI interface. Campy may have boxes with more than one connector or some setup to accommodate these multiple shift positions, but on their commercially available stuff that I've seen, you simply don't have the connections necessary for multiple shifters.

That could all change of course if they've got some products in the pipeline.

[oldpotatoe]

They've probably got a custom or TT specific DTI box. Thing to remember is there's only one cable running from the bars to the computer/brain. Both levers essentially hook into connectors from the DTI interface. Campy may have boxes with more than one connector or some setup to accommodate these multiple shift positions, but on their commercially available stuff that I've seen, you simply don't have the connections necessary for multiple shifters.

That could all change of course if they've got some products in the pipeline.

The way Campagnolo does it wires from interface unit, one to each shifter or to a 'y' wire, one each to barend and one to the cow horn brake lever that has shifter buttons on it.

[jpw]

The way Campagnolo does it wires from interface unit, one to each shifter or to a 'y' wire, one each to barend and one to the cow horn brake lever that has shifter buttons on it.

so only two socket holes out of the junction box, but 'Y' wires to create two routing out to two shifter positions for each hand? Yes, that sounds reasonable.

I might try taking the brake levers off the tt shifters and creating a short section of handlebar tube to hang off brackets under the bike's handlebar near the stem.

[AngryScientist]

i prefer down tube shifters myself.

http://trackosaurus.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/old/images/FYXOShifters.png

[thirdgenbird]

My wife has been using a Campagnolo shifter as the zipper pull on her winter coat for several years.

[tiretrax]

Think you were kidding tho....but gots no frns.Yes, I was kidding, but humor doesn't always transfer electronically. That will be a very cool bike when you're finished.

[oldpotatoe]

Peter,

Can you post a photo of the bike from the side when it's all done?

Have you seen the photobucket link?

[jr59]

Hey Peter, how about some pic of the bike Jim just built for you!

The decals and seat caps are to sweet, and please no extra holes in that one!

:banana:

[wildboar]

Have you seen the photobucket link?

Yeah. I was trying to see if there was one of those "garage-door" type profile pics of it.

[oldpotatoe]

Hey Peter, how about some pic of the bike Jim just built for you!

The decals and seat caps are to sweet, and please no extra holes in that one!

:banana:

It's at the shop and already in a box for NAHBS....post show.

[oldpotatoe]

Yeah. I was trying to see if there was one of those "garage-door" type profile pics of it.

Well, it's just a MXLeader...with a power pack below the downtube bottle cage.

[oldpotatoe]

Yeah. I was trying to see if there was one of those "garage-door" type profile pics of it.

Rode it today, geee, it works great.

zzzt. zzzt...

[Roger M]

Nice work. The battery(and the shifter boss caps) aren't as obvious as I woulda thunk.

I'd do it too if I had the means. Maybe some C-Record crank arms and shift buttons hidden in those brake levers on mine...

I like your choice of rims too.

[thirdgenbird]

C record arms with 11 speed rings would be the ticket. I think the bar ends look perfectly acceptable.

[wallymann]

problem solvers makes some w/o the vestigal shift-cable-housing structures:

http://urbanvelo.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/problem_solvers_shifter_boss-300x187.jpg

or better yet, since you're removing metal, why not just grind the bosses off completely?! ;-)

[jpw]

Rode it today, geee, it works great.

zzzt. zzzt...


with those brake levers one needs to look closely to realise it's an electronic bike. stealthy.

[oldpotatoe]

with those brake levers one needs to look closely to realise it's an electronic bike. stealthy.

Rode next to a guy on a Colnago MasterLight..he said, "wow, Deltas'..then I pointed out the battery..and he just said, 'what?"...I had to stop to take a call, he rode on.

[oldpotatoe]

C record arms with 11 speed rings would be the ticket. I think the bar ends look perfectly acceptable.

I may..I swapped the 34 for a 36 on the crank..BUT the jump still 'seems' pretty large..I have ridden 50/39 with C-Record for over a decade..this the first foray into 'compact'.

BUT I'd like a Record or Chorus CT, square taper, for the Moots wet weather bike..cuz I got 2 Phil at 102mm...If I ever find one.

[jpw]

Rode next to a guy on a Colnago MasterLight..he said, "wow, Deltas'..then I pointed out the battery..and he just said, 'what?"...I had to stop to take a call, he rode on.

i assume a V2 battery doesn't fit the seat tube? that would camouflage the electronic sacrilege.

[stien]

Awesome. I was thinking installing DT mounted switches would be the ticket.

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[soulspinner]

Cool rig. Diggin the bar tape....:cool:

[oldpotatoe]

i assume a V2 battery doesn't fit the seat tube? that would camouflage the electronic sacrilege.

Once again had no interest in V2 battery, either internal or external. How do people see how cool I am with the battery hidden?

'Sacriledge' on this frame would be 'spam', clinchers...

[jpw]

How do people see how cool I am with the battery hidden?



good quiz question.

[thirdgenbird]

How do people see how cool I am with the battery hidden?


http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s2/chisholm2744/BWtattoo_zps2de30b70.jpg

[soulspinner]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s2/chisholm2744/BWtattoo_zps2de30b70.jpg

:p