New Albion Bikes, a new brand from Merry Sales

[eddief]

not sure why not Soma Fab, but some interesting, inexpensive steels. Wonder if Grant Peterson has his hands in this endeavor.

http://newalbioncycles.com/

Privateer now for sale under cross bikes in Soma Fab store.

[quehill]

Cool little reference to New Albion Brewery. 'Noma Pride!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Albion_Brewing_Company

Cheers

[pbarry]

Doubt if GP would have anything to do with a frame that has a 44mm fork rake offset throughout the size lineup. MS looks like they are trying to catch up with QBP and better second branding.

[eddief]

http://karledwards.com/blog/process-of-process-the-new-albion-cycles-badge/

a pretty great description of head badge design process.

[bobswire]

Kick this post to the top since it got lost is the shuffle when the forum went down. I like their choice for the head badge , looks good in person too.

[bobswire]

I just ordered a Albion Privateer myself to take the place of an old Miyata Gran Touring frame which I'll sell.

[twin]

What fork are you planning in using?

[eddief]

Came out of the carton looking good. Built up well. Post modern combo of parts. It is raining today, but I got in a short ride. While this thing weighs about the same at 25 lbs as the Cannondale I discussed a few weeks ago, it rides like a sveltish upright cruiser. I am pleasantly surprised by the nice steel springiness. My non-biking neighbor thought IT was handsome.

Albatross

Thomson X4 stem

Tiagra Hollowtech triple crank

11-34 XT 9 cassette

28 hole, Ultegra Open Pro

700 x 25 tires (for now)

VO post

B17 saddle

Tektro 720 cantis

Bacchetta brake levers left over from bent days

Shimano 9 speed barcons

Wellgo dual purpose pedals

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Ao-kGqz-Az8/Uw5S7DC9q0I/AAAAAAAADMw/egy5WANGBNc/s640/IMG_2350.JPG

[bobswire]

Received mine too, two days after I ordered it. Great when the distributor is in your area.
Still mulling over the build while waiting on a headset to be delivered.

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http://i57.tinypic.com/2u5xrub.jpg

[Fixed]

Nice
I like
Just in time for spring
Cheers

[bobswire]

Nice
I like
Just in time for spring
Cheers

Yeah we had such a terrible winter, what like a week of rain. Can hardly wait for spring...:)

[eddief]

so you can adjust the wheelbase a couple of cm's.

[RudAwkning]

We got one of the road models in the shop (the Homebrew). Sad to say, not impressed. It has head lugs and a lugged fork crown. Seat cluster and bottom bracket are tig welded. Kinda tacky if you ask me...

[eddief]

is that you own and ride some of the finest bikes around. And your shop is known as one of the best and oldest Waterford dealers in the country. One would not expect you to be impressed with a mass produced Hi-Ten steel-framed bike from Taiwan.

I think the Privateer, available as a frameset and being cromo and quite reasonably priced, might be a good choice for a better than average flat bar or drop bar all around bike. My bet is it will be quite similar in performance to the likes of Gunnars, with which I think you have some familiarity.

No?

We got one of the road models in the shop (the Homebrew). Sad to say, not impressed. It has head lugs and a lugged fork crown. Seat cluster and bottom bracket are tig welded. Kinda tacky if you ask me...

[bobswire]

Eddie , you beat me to it. I build up bikes galore for commuters or folks who want an all rounders for under $1000 "total" that looks cool, rides good and has decent components. I can do it with this frame and will soon have one built up. My one complaint is the head tube on smaller models 54cm and lower is not extended as stated in their ads, in fact the HT seems pretty standard.
Which will require more spacers for an upright position.

http://i57.tinypic.com/bfflht.jpg

[eddief]

the headtube length is less than stated in specifications on their website? or just that you prefer it extends above the top tube more? mostly tall is tall no matter how ya get there. No?


Eddie , you beat me to it. I build up bikes galore for commuters or folks who want an all rounders for under $1000 "total" that looks cool, rides good and has decent components. I can do it with this frame and will soon have one built up. My one complaint is the head tube on smaller models 54cm and lower is not extended as stated in their ads, in fact the HT seems pretty standard.
Which will require more spacers for an upright position.

http://i57.tinypic.com/bfflht.jpg

[bobswire]

the headtube length is less than stated in specifications on their website? or just that you prefer it extends above the top tube more? mostly tall is tall no matter how ya get there. No?

The ad states Quote: - Extra tall headtube makes upright builds look better.

Then this photo, now compare that to mine above.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2mwb76v.jpg

BUT in the geo chart they do give it the correct length (135mm) wish it were 155mm , my bad for not reading the HD length.

All in all still a decent deal for commute/all rounder type.
I'll update once it's built up and rode.

[Fixed]

Bob take it back
If you can
You need to be happy with a new frame
Cheers

[bobswire]

Bob take it back
If you can
You need to be happy with a new frame
Cheers

No worries,I'll be building it up to sell. That's one of the reasons I purchased it.

[RudAwkning]

is that you own and ride some of the finest bikes around. And your shop is known as one of the best and oldest Waterford dealers in the country. One would not expect you to be impressed with a mass produced Hi-Ten steel-framed bike from Taiwan.

I think the Privateer, available as a frameset and being cromo and quite reasonably priced, might be a good choice for a better than average flat bar or drop bar all around bike. My bet is it will be quite similar in performance to the likes of Gunnars, with which I think you have some familiarity.

No?

My criticisms have nothing to do with the brands we carry or the bikes I own.

I simply thought it was a little clowny to have lugs in the front and tig in the back. Go one way or the other, but not both. Why not fillet braze the bb and go for the hat trick?

The downtube shifter stops weren't correct either. The shifters would flop past being parallel with the downtube and come within a centimeter from touching the fork crown. We had to ditch the factory stops and dig into our parts drawer for some proper dt stops. Something we shouldn't have to do with a pre-fab bike.

And the suntour-ratchet clone shifters don't play that nicely with the spec'd 9 speed cluster. Over shifting will be an issue. Would like to swap it out for an 8 speed cluster.

It's not a hunk of ···· by any means. Quite a value, really, for a sub $900 steel bike. But the parts spec. and hybrid fabrication are somewhat suspect IMO.

[carlineng]

I rarely see bikes where the frame is spec'd with hi-ten steel. Cheaper, I suppose?

Also, I agree with the above sentiment re: lugs and tig'd. What's the point of having *just* the head tube lugged? It's good to have more options for classy looking bikes at this price point, but I don't see one in my future.

[oldpotatoe]

My criticisms have nothing to do with the brands we carry or the bikes I own.

I simply thought it was a little clowny to have lugs in the front and tig in the back. Go one way or the other, but not both. Why not fillet braze the bb and go for the hat trick?

The downtube shifter stops weren't correct either. The shifters would flop past being parallel with the downtube and come within a centimeter from touching the fork crown. We had to ditch the factory stops and dig into our parts drawer for some proper dt stops. Something we shouldn't have to do with a pre-fab bike.

And the suntour-ratchet clone shifters don't play that nicely with the spec'd 9 speed cluster. Over shifting will be an issue. Would like to swap it out for an 8 speed cluster.

It's not a hunk of ···· by any means. Quite a value, really, for a sub $900 steel bike. But the parts spec. and hybrid fabrication are somewhat suspect IMO.

'Suspect?'..like in what?? No understand.

A $900 retail bike, which means it cost you something like $550-$575 or so if ya got 35 points..and Merry makes $ on this also, as does the manufacturer..not sure what ya expect for that $.

If ya don't like the spec, buy the frame/fork, which costs you what? $200 or so? And build it yourself.

A decent riding, long lasting, not expensive all rounder like this, why not..be able to put somebody onto a BRAND NEW bike for $900..I like it!!

[RudAwkning]

'Suspect?'..like in what?? No understand.

A $900 retail bike, which means it cost you something like $550-$575 or so if ya got 35 points..and Merry makes $ on this also, as does the manufacturer..not sure what ya expect for that $.

If ya don't like the spec, buy the frame/fork, which costs you what? $200 or so? And build it yourself.

A decent riding, long lasting, not expensive all rounder like this, why not..be able to put somebody onto a BRAND NEW bike for $900..I like it!!

Well, if we have to replace the stops on every Homebrew we buy and explain to the customer that the shifting will be touchy and oversensitive....that is "suspect". And that're regardless of whether or not it's a $300 Schwinn/GT, a $900 Albion, a $1500 Surly or a $5000 Waterford.

And I stand firm on a hybrid tig-lug bike being tacky. Bi-lam = cool. Tig-lug = not. But if you want us to order you a Waterford R-14/22, we'll be happy to do it! We can have a big "MULLET" decal on the down tube and a "business in the front, party in the back!" chainstay decal put on it for you :)

[bobswire]

Well, if we have to replace the stops on every Homebrew we buy and explain to the customer that the shifting will be touchy and oversensitive....that is "suspect". And that're regardless of whether or not it's a $300 Schwinn/GT, a $900 Albion, a $1500 Surly or a $5000 Waterford.

And I stand firm on a hybrid tig-lug bike being tacky. Bi-lam = cool. Tig-lug = not. But if you want us to order you a Waterford R-14/22, we'll be happy to do it! We can have a big "MULLET" decal on the down tube and a "business in the front, party in the back!" chainstay decal put on it for you :)

I haven't had a chance to really check out the homebrew but the privateer is all tig and seems a step up from the homebrews frame beyond using the Tange DB Infinity tubing. Anyway I wouldn't buy a "new" built bike since I enjoy doing my own builds. I'll most likely use bar cons on this rig.
The head set came in today so I was able to cut down the fork,since it's going to be sold I left a "little" extra.

http://i62.tinypic.com/b6zqfl.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/116n976.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/2agn2th.jpg

[eddief]

ride characteristics seem similar to my Gunnar Sport and more sprightly than my Rambouillets and Bleriots...of a while back. Yes, plural of both models of Rivs. I think the Privateer will make for a great, fast town bike or club ride rider.

[oldpotatoe]

Well, if we have to replace the stops on every Homebrew we buy and explain to the customer that the shifting will be touchy and oversensitive....that is "suspect". And that're regardless of whether or not it's a $300 Schwinn/GT, a $900 Albion, a $1500 Surly or a $5000 Waterford.

And I stand firm on a hybrid tig-lug bike being tacky. Bi-lam = cool. Tig-lug = not. But if you want us to order you a Waterford R-14/22, we'll be happy to do it! We can have a big "MULLET" decal on the down tube and a "business in the front, party in the back!" chainstay decal put on it for you :)

Then get a frame and use the cable stops ya got in the drawer..ya know, those things that cost ya $3.

Serotta steel were tig-lug for a while also.actually lug-fillet..I guess those are tacky also.

I can still get a deal on Waterford from the shop I just sold..so no thanks...I'll pass on the Waterford..Besides, I already have a R-22..w/o the chainstay decal...

[RudAwkning]

Then get a frame and use the cable stops ya got in the drawer..ya know, those things that cost ya $3.

Serotta steel were tig-lug for a while also.actually lug-fillet..I guess those are tacky also.

I can still get a deal on Waterford from the shop I just sold..so no thanks...I'll pass on the Waterford..Besides, I already have a R-22..w/o the chainstay decal...

[sigh] That doesn't solve the fact that these friction shifters shift like crap with the stock 9 speed cluster as spec'd. You must have glossed over that.

[double sigh] You also must have glossed over the part where I said "Bi-lam = cool. Tig-lug = not."

You Peter....YA SUSPECT! You owe me a $3 retainer! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JBvfZTx-vs

[RudAwkning]

I haven't had a chance to really check out the homebrew but the privateer is all tig and seems a step up from the homebrews frame beyond using the Tange DB Infinity tubing. Anyway I wouldn't buy a "new" built bike since I enjoy doing my own builds. I'll most likely use bar cons on this rig.
The head set came in today so I was able to cut down the fork,since it's going to be sold I left a "little" extra.

http://i62.tinypic.com/b6zqfl.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/116n976.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/2agn2th.jpg

Awesome. I wasn't bagging on your bike at all. I was just bummed when I pulled the model we got out of the box. And then when I started going over the bike and running it through the gears, I found the other "stuff".

If you take the parts selection and quibbles I have with the mullet construction on the homebrew, the fit 'n finish on the frame is actually really clean.

[Fixed]

Hey rude not riding today it is beautiful here in s.f. Today
Can you p.m. Me about where your shop is located in l.a.
I go there every month to study yoga my g friend's father has a condo there too
Cheers

[oldpotatoe]

[sigh] That doesn't solve the fact that these friction shifters shift like crap with the stock 9 speed cluster as spec'd. You must have glossed over that.

[double sigh] You also must have glossed over the part where I said "Bi-lam = cool. Tig-lug = not."

You Peter....YA SUSPECT! You owe me a $3 retainer! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JBvfZTx-vs

Sold a fair number of Surly/Soma, but only one complete bike(Surly), cuz it was spec-ed poorly....so buy the frame/fork, build, sell for $1100 and press on.

[bobswire]

Almost there Eddie,had to wait for a part or two should have it done later today but first must get out for a good ride while the weather is cooperating.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2r5zti8.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/fn4jrm.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/23pbh2.jpg

[tctyres]

Does anyone know why they didn't make a fork to go with the frame? The few builds I've seen use Soma forks.

[eddief]

Merry Sales designs and imports Soma and New Albion. My black canti fork seems the perfect match for the Privateer frame.

Does anyone know why they didn't make a fork to go with the frame? The few builds I've seen use Soma forks.

[tctyres]

Merry Sales designs and imports Soma and New Albion. My black canti fork seems the perfect match for the Privateer frame.

I guess I understand that, but it seems that if you want a certain frame/fork geometry then it would make sense to design a fork, too.

Maybe the idea behind the design was to use an existing fork (?) from another branch of the company. I don't know.

[bobswire]

I guess I understand that, but it seems that if you want a certain frame/fork geometry then it would make sense to design a fork, too.

Maybe the idea behind the design was to use an existing fork (?) from another branch of the company. I don't know.

The existing forks fit the exact specifications required for this frame I'm sure that was taken in consideration when designing this frame for rake/add-ons for rack and fenders/ I suppose they could have been redundant with another fork and labeled it "privateer' and charged more but they were trying to keep the costs down. There is reason the majority of custom frames in the market come without forks.

[tctyres]

I don't want to belabor this point, but I will anyway. The "exact" specifications aren't on the web (http://newalbioncycles.com/privateer1/), and there are a number of different 700c canti forks available with different trail and axle/crown offset that can lead to a different bb drop and ht angle. These affect the ride. Even if they said something like, "We recommend a Soma fork for optimal performance," that would be better than nothing.

I understand that the Soma fork could keep costs down.

Meanwhile, the Starling (http://newalbioncycles.com/starling/) has a specific fork that goes with it.

There is reason the majority of custom frames in the market come without forks.

I'm sure that this is a great riding production frame, and I'd like to know more about the ride and how you feel about it at the 500 mile and 1000 mile mark.

Sorry, though, but this is nowhere near a custom frame, and there are also plenty of customs that do require custom forks.

[eddief]

If you go to the Soma online shop, they recommend the fork that fits with their geometry chart.

Fork recommended here: http://store.somafab.com/newalprfr.html

Geo chart here: http://newalbioncycles.com/privateer1/

That fork is matched to that geo. Not sure how much more "designed" you would want it to be.

I don't want to belabor this point, but I will anyway. The "exact" specifications aren't on the web (http://newalbioncycles.com/privateer1/), and there are a number of different 700c canti forks available with different trail and axle/crown offset that can lead to a different bb drop and ht angle. These affect the ride. Even if they said something like, "We recommend a Soma fork for optimal performance," that would be better than nothing.

I understand that the Soma fork could keep costs down.

Meanwhile, the Starling (http://newalbioncycles.com/starling/) has a specific fork that goes with it.



I'm sure that this is a great riding production frame, and I'd like to know more about the ride and how you feel about it at the 500 mile and 1000 mile mark.

Sorry, though, but this is nowhere near a custom frame, and there are also plenty of customs that do require custom forks.

[bobswire]

[QUOTE=tctyres;1511062]I don't want to belabor this point, but I will anyway."


10 posts and counting. Have fun!

[pavel]

Geo chart here: http://newalbioncycles.com/privateer1/




what is going on with those reach numbers?

[pbarry]

Hard to understand the fuss about a hi-ten frame, with no fork. Materials cost on these frames is sub $40. Chrome Moly tubing might be another $20. With several details gotten wrong, why the hype?

[pavel]

to be fair the privateer is tange cromoly, but agreed. I'm not seeing the appeal.


can someone please explain these wacky reach numbers, though?

[eddief]

Here's a chart for the Gunnar Sport: http://gunnarbikes.com/site/bikes/sport/

Here's the chart for the Privateer: http://newalbioncycles.com/privateer1/

Seems the reaches are all in the same ballpark by size.



to be fair the privateer is tange cromoly, but agreed. I'm not seeing the appeal.


can someone please explain these wacky reach numbers, though?

[pavel]

the gunnar numbers look right to me but the privateer is all over the place.


The reach numbers are virtually identical for the two smallest frames and for the three medium frames.

The reach for the 44cm is longer than the 48.

The reach for the 50, 52, and 54 is virtually the same, with the 54 having the shortest of those sizes and the 52 the longest.

size reach
44 371mm
48 370mm ???
50 381mm
52 383mm ???
54 380mm ???

:confused:

[oldpotatoe]

I don't want to belabor this point, but I will anyway. The "exact" specifications aren't on the web (http://newalbioncycles.com/privateer1/), and there are a number of different 700c canti forks available with different trail and axle/crown offset that can lead to a different bb drop and ht angle. These affect the ride. Even if they said something like, "We recommend a Soma fork for optimal performance," that would be better than nothing.

I understand that the Soma fork could keep costs down.

Meanwhile, the Starling (http://newalbioncycles.com/starling/) has a specific fork that goes with it.



I'm sure that this is a great riding production frame, and I'd like to know more about the ride and how you feel about it at the 500 mile and 1000 mile mark.

Sorry, though, but this is nowhere near a custom frame, and there are also plenty of customs that do require custom forks.

??

Buy one, VERY cheap, ride it 500-1000 miles and let us know..if ya don't like it, and I'll bet it won't be because the fork says 'Soma', then sell it..either here or somewhere else.

Great frame, hardly any dough, does what it supposed to do..kinda like an off the rack suit Macy's....

[tctyres]

Hard to understand the fuss about a [chromoloy] frame, with no fork. Materials cost on these frames is sub $40. Chrome Moly tubing might be another $20. With several details gotten wrong, why the hype?

I agree, but I'd like to hear something about the ride.


Geo chart here: http://newalbioncycles.com/privateer1/


Thanks!


10 posts and counting. Have fun!

I wasn't trying to make this personal, but if you were marketing a new product would you want people to guess at the fork? I realize the geometry chart is there, and the recommendation is on the Soma site (again thanks...), but it seems weird to me.

I'm sorry if it came across as some sort of personal insult, but when I see something like this, I think, " With 3000+ posts, maybe this guy needs to spend more time on the riding and less time on the internet."

Buy one, VERY cheap, ride it 500-1000 miles and let us know..if ya don't like it, and I'll bet it won't be because the fork says 'Soma', then sell it..either here or somewhere else.


I have three canti-tourers right now. Getting one more in that style means I have to move one out. I don't want to spend the time building when I can be riding.

[eddief]

is double butted cromoly steel. So my guess would be it rides about 90% as well, or better, as 90% of all other bikes made with same.

After about 100 miles, I would say it does.


I agree, but I'd like to hear something about the ride.



Thanks!



I wasn't trying to make this personal, but if you were marketing a new product would you want people to guess at the fork? I realize the geometry chart is there, and the recommendation is on the Soma site (again thanks...), but it seems weird to me.

I'm sorry if it came across as some sort of personal insult, but when I see something like this, I think, " With 3000+ posts, maybe this guy needs to spend more time on the riding and less time on the internet."



I have three canti-tourers right now. Getting one more in that style means I have to move one out. I don't want to spend the time building when I can be riding.

[bobswire]

[/U]I agree, but I'd like to hear something about the ride.



Thanks!



I wasn't trying to make this personal, but if you were marketing a new product would you want people to guess at the fork? I realize the geometry chart is there, and the recommendation is on the Soma site (again thanks...), but it seems weird to me.

I'm sorry if it came across as some sort of personal insult, but when I see something like this, I think, " With 3000+ posts, maybe this guy needs to spend more time on the riding and less time on the internet."

For someone not wanting to make it personal you are off to a good start.You know squat about me but I'll tell you I doubt few here have the miles under their saddle as I do.



Anyway I've only had one ride on it but performed as expected, as well as other frames I've built for folks to use as commuter/all rounder type bikes such as Soma DC, Surly CC. I've been retired these last 5 years and I've put that time to good use building up bikes for folks and when I'm not building up bikes I'm riding as well as contributing to the civil discourse that we pride ourselves about on this forum.
I suggest you may want to get to know your neighbors here before starting anymore food fights or insulting people you know nothing about.
BTW this frame will be added to my queue of frames for folks to choose who want a decent commuter all rounder type without costing them an arm and a leg.
http://i59.tinypic.com/xcjj0h.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/34rulpw.jpg

[tctyres]

is double butted cromoly steel. So my guess would be it rides about 90% as well, or better, as 90% of all other bikes made with same.

After about 100 miles, I would say it does.

Ha! Thanks.


Anyway I've only had one ride on it but performed as expected, as well as other frames I've built for folks to use as commuter/all rounder type bikes such as Soma DC, Surly CC.

Yeah, thanks. That's an automatic pass for me. Performing as well as a CC just means another reasonable option for the commuter. I should have guessed that, though.

[stan_p]

Just wanted to clear up some of the Privateer questions in this thread for those that may wander in later.

Yes the early version of the website did lack fork information that people expect in this age. We added that to the site last month. Fork recommendations: Axle to crown: 390-400mm Rake: 44 to 50mm
This may sound nebulous in an age where many people expect a precise figure for everything. This is not a tri bike or crit bike, or some other bike designed to be ridden in specific manner. It is an all rounder. We expect people to build it up with 23c to 38c tires. Trail figures and BB height variation is an accepted part of the game when deciding to build this type of bike. We designed it to work with a cross fork (though it isn't a CX bike), but we know cross fork lengths vary by a cm or more model to model. As for reach figures, the close or overlapping figures seem to happen with the bigger jumps in headtube lengths in relation TT length that a bike like this has. Not a big deal. An experienced bike fitter will have no more difficulty sizing this frame for a customer than anyother.

In the Privateer, we wanted a versatile, affordable frame that was a little more stable than a CX bike for touring, but still be more fun to ride than a dedicated loaded touring frame.


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[oldpotatoe]

Just wanted to clear up some of the Privateer questions in this thread for those that may wander in later.

Yes the early version of the website did lack fork information that people expect in this age. We added that to the site last month. Fork recommendations: Axle to crown: 390-400mm Rake: 44 to 50mm
This may sound nebulous in an age where many people expect a precise figure for everything. This is not a tri bike or crit bike, or some other bike designed to be ridden in specific manner. It is an all rounder. We expect people to build it up with 23c to 38c tires. Trail figures and BB height variation is an accepted part of the game when deciding to build this type of bike. We designed it to work with a cross fork (though it isn't a CX bike), but we know cross fork lengths vary by a cm or more model to model. As for reach figures, the close or overlapping figures seem to happen with the bigger jumps in headtube lengths in relation TT length that a bike like this has. Not a big deal. An experienced bike fitter will have no more difficulty sizing this frame for a customer than anyother.

In the Privateer, we wanted a versatile, affordable frame that was a little more stable than a CX bike for touring, but still be more fun to ride than a dedicated loaded touring frame.


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Say hello to Mary for me!! Since leaving the shop, I don't get to call anymore.

Peter from Vecchio's

[cnighbor1]

a club member just got a New Albion Bike It looked great to me
TIG frame
He just put new 32c compass tires on He loved those tires Faster and a lot more comfortable than other tires he rides

[jr59]

seems to me to be a fairly reasonable all-rounder for the dollars.