Inexpensive 11 speed conversion

[deluxerider]

I am currently running the current red 10 speed on my bike. I'd like to make the jump to 11 speed sram red. So, could I get away with only upgrading shifters, cassette, and chain? The 10 speed derailleurs and crank should work just fine with the 11 speed stuff, right?

[eBAUMANN]

don't forget, not all 10 speed sramano free hubs are 11 speed compatible...

also, you would need 11 speed chainrings...

[ecsnsmb]

It tends to add up very quick, thought about it myself. Decided it wasn't worth the expense..

[vqdriver]

I've run 11sp with a ten speed crank. Works fine
You'll have to consider the rear hub tho

Re the derailleur, I don't know if the pull ratios changed but I'm pretty sure not for sram

The red stuff is pricey. For what you're looking at you could probably track down a force 11sp group

[eBAUMANN]

Heres an interesting question:

Has anyone tried to run campy 11 shifters with a shimano/sram 10 rd?

[Gummee]

I've been reading that the 'shade tree mechanic' solution to convert a Shimano FH body from 10-11 is file off the 'nubs' at the base of the FH body. You only need 1.85mm...

Zinn's done it
Gaulzetti has done it

*I* haven't just because I have no plans to go 11sp any time soon.

M

[oldpotatoe]

I am currently running the current red 10 speed on my bike. I'd like to make the jump to 11 speed sram red. So, could I get away with only upgrading shifters, cassette, and chain? The 10 speed derailleurs and crank should work just fine with the 11 speed stuff, right?

Don't think so. First need a 11s compatible hub. Like shimano, a 10s freehub isn't tall enough for 11 cogs.

Second, being very positional LH/front shifters, 11s CRs for shimano and sram is pretty essential. It'll shift but chain rub will probably result.

As for the ders, i don't know but I doubt it, but I don't know.

[deluxerider]

Cr?

, 11s crs for shimano and sram is pretty essential. It'll shift but chain rub will probably result.

[deluxerider]

Chain Rings, duh!

[oldpotatoe]

Cr?

Chain rings...the proper 11s spacing between the 2 for shimano/sram, positional shifter, is pretty essential to prevent chain rub at the extremes.

[kgreene10]

I've been reading that the 'shade tree mechanic' solution to convert a Shimano FH body from 10-11 is file off the 'nubs' at the base of the FH body. You only need 1.85mm...

Zinn's done it
Gaulzetti has done it

*I* haven't just because I have no plans to go 11sp any time soon.

M

Interesting. Very interesting. Can you provide links for these reads?

[gospastic]

I have read in a couple of places that the Red 10sp RD works with the Red 11sp shifters. I haven't tried this myself though.

[deluxerider]

On another note, and this is probably another thread, it chaps me that SRAM even released the new Red 10 speed. It seems to have been just a huge money grab. 11 speed had to be in the pipe when the new 10 speed was released. I feel like I got suckered for being a loyal customer (no need to comment oldpotatoe) and an early adopter.

[oldpotatoe]

On another note, and this is probably another thread, it chaps me that SRAM even released the new Red 10 speed. It seems to have been just a huge money grab. 11 speed had to be in the pipe when the new 10 speed was released. I feel like I got suckered for being a loyal customer (no need to comment oldpotatoe) and an early adopter.

Mid season, more than a few big manufacturers and bike shops thqat bought bikes spec-ed with sram 10s, got saddled with a bunch of outdated stuff, mid season.

Discount the pyss out of them to make room for the 'new' sram 11s stuff. But wait, the trekspecializedgiantcannondale makers will just take it back, right? Not likely.


Seems sram were waiting for shimano to go 11s so they could hang on their cogset spacing shirt tails..not the first time.

[druptight]

Heres an interesting question:

Has anyone tried to run campy 11 shifters with a shimano/sram 10 rd?

I've heard (but not tried) this will work with the same adjustments one would make to run campy 10 levers with shimano 9 drivetrain (i.e. either none depending on how sensitive you are, or adjusting how cable is clamped, etc.)

I've also read that 11s campy shifters will just about plug n' play with shimano 9 drivetrain.

[VanBikeGuy]

Just upgraded to 11spd, but hoping to still use my old 7900 C50 wheelset. Does anyone have the link to file the freehub?

[stien]

I believe someone on weight weenies actually stuck an 11th cog on their cassette body and machined a new shifter disc for red. I'm thinking of just adding a bail out gear by filing the fh body as downtube shifters just click over after the last index.

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[saab2000]

I was going to do this to one of my bikes. I run Campagnolo on my road bikes and I was looking at Chorus shifters, chain and cassette. And chain tool. Pretty soon you're really not all that far from a new group set........

Probably worth just getting the whole group and being done with it. It's not that much more.

[SpeedyChix]

Just upgraded to 11spd, but hoping to still use my old 7900 C50 wheelset. Does anyone have the link to file the freehub?
Here you go:
http://benmanson.com/review/7900_to_11/7900_to_11.htm
(http://benmanson.com/review/7900_to_11/7900_to_11.htm)

[Black Dog]

I was going to do this to one of my bikes. I run Campagnolo on my road bikes and I was looking at Chorus shifters, chain and cassette. And chain tool. Pretty soon you're really not all that far from a new group set........

Probably worth just getting the whole group and being done with it. It's not that much more.

Do not need the chain tool at all. Just use 11speed quick links. Works like a charm. :)

[VanBikeGuy]

Thanks Black Dog. Didn't realize you had to machine the hub as well!!! Kind of scary given that's what keep's you planted to the ground.

[Black Dog]

Thanks Black Dog. Didn't realize you had to machine the hub as well!!! Kind of scary given that's what keep's you planted to the ground.

I was only referring to going to 11 speed campy. Filling little tabs on a freehub body is a shimano hub issue.

[VanBikeGuy]

Sorry, I meant SpeedChix! Cool name by the way!

[Gummee]

So remember when I said I wasn't going 11 any time soon? Welll.....

I've got 2 bikes with 11sp on em now. ...but... The only hubs I have are all 8/9/10 so I'm running 10 out of 11 gears till I can start swapping out hubs or selling wheels and buying new.

I thought I had a neighbor of a buddy lined up to do some 'garage machining' of the FH body, but evidently that guy wants nothing to do with what I want done.

I have a seized D/A FH body for someone to practice on and everything!

M

[Mike V]

Has anyone tried a Wheels Manufacturing accelerater 11 conversion cassette on a Shimano wheel with Shimano 9000?.

It is a Ultegra gears with Campagnolo spacing so that Shimano wheels (not 7900 hubs) work with Campagnolo drivetrain.

Campagnolo spacing works with Shimano right?

[Black Dog]

Shimano 11 and Campagnolo 11 spacing is basically the same and both cassettes work with both systems.

[Mike V]

Shimano 11 and Campagnolo 11 spacing is basically the same and both cassettes work with both systems.

I understand that.

For older non 11 speed Shimano wheels can use Wheels Manufacturing conversion cassette.

[oldpotatoe]

I understand that.

For older non 11 speed Shimano wheels can use Wheels Manufacturing conversion cassette.

Sold a few before shimano turned it up to 11... Worked well, about $200 I think.

[Bostic]

Has anyone tried a Wheels Manufacturing accelerater 11 conversion cassette on a Shimano wheel with Shimano 9000?.

It is a Ultegra gears with Campagnolo spacing so that Shimano wheels (not 7900 hubs) work with Campagnolo drivetrain.

Campagnolo spacing works with Shimano right?

Does anyone have much experience with how well the 10 speed machined cassette performs? I'm thinking of picking up the 10 speed version of the Wheels Manufacturing accelerator cassette to run their 11-27 10 speed on a 10 speed Shimano/Sram hub paired with a Campy 10 speed Chorus derailleur. I have a bunch of Campy parts that have been sitting idle for a few years now. Since I've discovered Campy still makes 10 speed Chorus shifters, I might pick up a set for a build and would like the 11-27 range.

[oldpotatoe]

Does anyone have much experience with how well the 10 speed machined cassette performs? I'm thinking of picking up the 10 speed version of the Wheels Manufacturing accelerator cassette to run their 11-27 10 speed on a 10 speed Shimano/Sram hub paired with a Campy 10 speed Chorus derailleur. I have a bunch of Campy parts that have been sitting idle for a few years now. Since I've discovered Campy still makes 10 speed Chorus shifters, I might pick up a set for a build and would like the 11-27 range.

Sold a bunch, work well...only start with 11t tho but if that works for ya.