who's doing alu well these days?

[Climb01742]

bill bove got me thinking (sorry bill, not about your nipples.) he digs his serotta alu frame. opined that he wished ben and co. would do with alu what they've done with carbon and ti. alu is probably the least talked about frame building material (if we leave out bambo) on the forum. and probably least loved too. sigh. yet there are some swell alu frame out there. so i was curious...who do you think is doing alu well these days? i dig my cckmp via dario, and have a serious jonz for a love #3. i'm curious about what orbea and columbus are doing with the arin. c'dale is always in the mix, with many privateer racers running 'em. other interesting alu offerings you can think of? alu, the frame that dare not speak its name. ;)

[cs124]

down here we've got (and you knew this was coming) ...Teschner... and Anatomic. Scott Sunderland did a review of a Columbus XLR8R ...iirc...Anatomic in one of the mags a year or so ago...gave it a good rap. Peter Teschner is one of the guys Easton send their prototype tubesets to for development work and is no stranger to the concept of building race bikes for pros that then get painted in someone else's colours.

I think the key factor (as it is with any frame material) is that the builder understands the material and how it reacts to the stresses of welding, aligning and riding.

[William]

Well, you touched on two already that seem to be at the top of the Aluminum game:
Peg's & Orbea.

I've run into a lot of people who like their Alum Cannondales. The Alum Bianchi Reparto Corse that I had was nice for the short period of time that I had it. I wouldn't have described it as harsh at all (though it didn't get my nipples hard ;) ). I would have hung on to but it was really too small for me. I think for the most part the old pairing of the words Harsh & aluminum has waned as manufactures have been getting better at using the material properly.....getting better ride characteristics out of it.


William

[bostondrunk]

bill bove got me thinking (sorry bill, not about your nipples.) he digs his serotta alu frame. opined that he wished ben and co. would do with alu what they've done with carbon and ti. alu is probably the least talked about frame building material (if we leave out bambo) on the forum. and probably least loved too. sigh. yet there are some swell alu frame out there. so i was curious...who do you think is doing alu well these days? i dig my cckmp via dario, and have a serious jonz for a love #3. i'm curious about what orbea and columbus are doing with the arin. c'dale is always in the mix, with many privateer racers running 'em. other interesting alu offerings you can think of? alu, the frame that dare not speak its name. ;)

Climb,
Don't you have a Merckx SC? I've gotta think that is a sweet AL frame!

[e-RICHIE]

...who do you think is doing alu well these days?

i have pals that race professionally for, and work "inside"
at c'ale and have watched those frames' quality and aesthetics
skyrocket over the past 5-6 years. i think they are killer bicycles
in all respects.

[theprep]

I love my Strong Aluminum Frame. He will use Easton Ultralite or Scandium for more $$'s. It is a great race frame. My 56 cm, plain Jane, weighs only 1250 grams and weight was never a design goal.

Carl Strong is a pleasure to deal with as well. When you call, guess who answers the phone?

Cheers,
Joe

[Too Tall]

Pegoretti or bust

[ergott]

i have pals that race professionally for, and work "inside"
at c'ale and have watched those frames' quality and aesthetics
skyrocket over the past 5-6 years. i think they are killer bicycles
in all respects.

That's a huge endorcement there! I think the 'dale is my favorite al bike and its at the top of my list for a dedicated race bike. They're cheap enough for you to spring for a custom pain job as well!

[oldguy00]

i have pals that race professionally for, and work "inside"
at c'ale and have watched those frames' quality and aesthetics
skyrocket over the past 5-6 years. i think they are killer bicycles
in all respects.

Agreed

[bostondrunk]

Cannondales are great.
People seem to automatically assume a C-dale is gonna give a rough ride. But if we were to throw a Euro brand label on it, then it would be 'stiff but plush'.....:)

[fstrthnu]

"The best'a bike!"

Little Onions


IMHO Bro's. BTW Love #3 is Scandium, not Aluminum.

Fstrthnu

[Fixed]

bro my cadd 7 is a lot more bike than I thought it would be .I can't blame my bike anymore now it's up to me i.m.h.o cheers :beer:

[e-RICHIE]

bro my cadd 7 is a lot more bike than I thought it would be .I can't blame my bike anymore now it's up to me i.m.h.o cheers :beer:


dooode yo -
it's not about the bike.
it's about the bike messenger imho cheers :beer:

[e-RICHIE]

Agreed



post of the week.

[e-RICHIE]

They're cheap enough for you to spring for a custom pain job as well!


i suspect we'll hear from The Dominatrix now.

[Fixed]

dooode yo -
it's not about the bike.
it's about the bike messenger imho cheers :beer:
words of wisdom as always thanks cheers :beer:

[jerk]

"The best'a bike!"

Little Onions


IMHO Bro's. BTW Love #3 is Scandium, not Aluminum.

Fstrthnu

yeah, except that one was made by de rosa.

jerk

[coylifut]

Cyfac

[zap]

Klein Q-Pro carbon.

If it fits and if you can handle a quick, yet stable ride, it's a great bike. Smooth ride with a stiff drivetrain with features rarely seen today.

[sspielman]

i have pals that race professionally for, and work "inside"
at c'ale and have watched those frames' quality and aesthetics
skyrocket over the past 5-6 years. i think they are killer bicycles
in all respects.

What a ringing endorsement.....to repeat a sometimes used quote...."racing improves the breed".....Cannondale seemed to learn ALOT from sponsoring SAECO.

[e-RICHIE]

What a ringing endorsement.....to repeat a sometimes used quote...."racing improves the breed".....Cannondale seemed to learn ALOT from sponsoring SAECO.

true.
and i bet they learned as much/more with
these cats, and spent less along the way:
http://www.rigoniusa.com/team/aboutus.shtml

[sspielman]

yeah, except that one was made by de rosa.

jerk


...I heard that rumour too....from a normally reliable source. When I posted something about it at RBT, i got flamed pretty well...including from a company rep...Figured that it was either a bald faced lie or the absolute truth to get that sort of reaction....

[lnomalley]

i raced all last year on a custom orbea made from starship tubing (all aluminum, no carbon rear). the bike was super spunky and amazing and perfect. one of the best bikes i've ever had.... and i will miss it. hell, i'llprobably keep it intstead of selling it.

so, i will give you two answers... orbea with starship and a peg love#3. loved a team sc from merckx bu.. there geom didnt fit me. that bike was a blast. (i think of scandium as being alum).

[Climb01742]

faster-than-me: isn't scandium a version of alu; alu with pixie dust added? :rolleyes:

[sspielman]

In addition to some of the names already mentioned, Carrera does aluminum EXTREMELY well. They are very well built and get the aesthetics right as well. They also have a really good neutral road race geometry (at least in my size)....and will do custom as well....
HOWEVER, I consider CYFAC the king of aluminum frames....really perfect in every respect (I will assert that as a fact and not an opinion).
For alot less money, Cannondale, Orbea and Bianchi do very well. The latter two should charge alot more in order to garner more respect.....

[coylifut]

faster-than-me: isn't scandium a version of alu; alu with pixie dust added? :rolleyes:

no pixie dust, just a little bit of hype

[spincycle]

climb,

right you are. scandium is an alloying element. see the link on easton's site for more info:

http://www.eastonbike.com/downloadable_files/r&d_files/R&D-03%20Scandium.pdf

sure it's marketing and not a pure technical paper but it doeas explain that "scandium" tubing is a specific aluminum alloy.

Frank

[Roy E. Munson]

HOWEVER, I consider CYFAC the king of aluminum frames

Which model Cyfac are you riding?

[chrisroph]

merckx alu, from the leader to the sc. The wonderful merckx geo in a snappy light package.

[JohnS]

climb,

right you are. scandium is an alloying element. see the link on easton's site for more info:

http://www.eastonbike.com/downloadable_files/r&d_files/R&D-03%20Scandium.pdf

sure it's marketing and not a pure technical paper but it doeas explain that "scandium" tubing is a specific aluminum alloy.

Frank
Adding Scandium DOES work. Al framed revolvers can only handle cartridges with pressures of 18-22,000cup. Adding Sc increases it to the 40,000 range. I know this is comparing apples with oranges, but it does add considerable strength.

[sspielman]

HOWEVER, I consider CYFAC the king of aluminum frames

Which model Cyfac are you riding?


I have a Starship frame from several years ago....before they had other names. At that time, all of the Cyfacs were custom. It does not have a carbon rear and has a Time carbon fork. It is very light and I have no complaints about stiffness at 145 lbs racing weight. The welds are beautifully finished....AND Laurent Brochard's brother did the machining/tube mitering (I have no idea if he has a mullet).

[Jeffie]

I'll also throw in my opinion on Cannondale. I just bought a very lightly used CAAD8...Frame/fork/headset/FSA carbon crank and BB for $550 shipped to my door. Just couldn't pass it up. I've been VERY impressed with the bike. As others have said, it's a nice cheap race bike. Look around for a CAAD8, there are many deals to be had...

[Grant McLean]

yeah, except that one was made by de rosa.

jerk

jerk,

I'm not saying he never rode a derosa badged as a 'dale, but
Mario rode lots of Cannondale built frames, unless Ugo suddenly started
using Cannondale shaped tubesets. Power-pyramid downtubes anyone?

Later, he rode Specialzed built frames as well, custom built with a level top tube.

-gee

[jerk]

jerk,

I'm not saying he never rode a derosa badged as a 'dale, but
Mario rode lots of Cannondale built frames, unless Ugo suddenly started
using Cannondale shaped tubesets. Power-pyramid downtubes anyone?

Later, he rode Specialzed built frames as well, custom built with a level top tube.

-gee


true-
but the quote was when he was on the ugodale.
jerk

[Grant McLean]

true-
but the quote was when he was on the ugodale.
jerk

Really?

Wasn't that '97, the year he had 3 stage wins in the tour.
(and those custom painted bikes, and fines for clothing violations?)
I was trying to find pictures from that year. The photos
from http://www.mariocipollini.net/default.asp sure look
like Cannondales. I'm curious...what's your source?

-gee

[Argos]

I like the Cannondale, too. Quite a frameset, especially for the price.. Does anyone have opinions of S-Works E-5 Frameset? Other then in reference to Cipolini's custom frameset, this has not been mentioned. Is it not as light/stiff? I've never ridden one, but they seem in the same $ point as the Cannondale. Are they good, just less innovative? Thoughts?

[Redturbo]

I like the Cannondale, too. Quite a frameset, especially for the price.. Does anyone have opinions of S-Works E-5 Frameset? Other then in reference to Cipolini's custom frameset, this has not been mentioned. Is it not as light/stiff? I've never ridden one, but they seem in the same $ point as the Cannondale. Are they good, just less innovative? Thoughts?
Argos
I raced on a E-5 for half a season and it felt a little over built for my 140lbs, but a great bike.

[Hysbrian]

I've had a CAAD6 (first road bike) and now I have a Six13, both have been awesome race bikes.

[nick0137]

Merckx. I've got a Merckx alu track bike, which is their basic "Race" model with track ends and a carbon fork. Goes very nicely indeed and feels just fine for a few (maybe even 40 or so) 250m laps, although that could be the tubs 'cos we just know tubs are more comfy than clinchers, right? How would it be for 100 miles on the road? Well, obviously it would kill me 'cos I've got a very pretty aggressive position compared to my road bike. But with the same position? Now, there's a question....

[William]

Really?

Wasn't that '97, the year he had 3 stage wins in the tour.
(and those custom painted bikes, and fines for clothing violations?)
I was trying to find pictures from that year. The photos
from http://www.mariocipollini.net/default.asp sure look
like Cannondales. I'm curious...what's your source?

-gee

I've got portions of the 97 Tour on tape including Marios wins. The close ups sure look like C-Dales to me. But admittedly I'm not an expert on C-Dales.


William

[alancw3]

i think it comes down to bang or bling! the cl'dale six13 dura ace is probably the best buy in performance bike right down. i wouold venture to say that any top pro rider could do well with this bike. oh but "lance" didn't ride it!!!!!! do yourself a favor and look at the 613 for what it is a rider!

[Grant McLean]

i think it comes down to bang or bling! the cl'dale six13 dura ace is probably the best buy in performance bike right down. i wouold venture to say that any top pro rider could do well with this bike.

the red ones had both!!

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=10835&highlight=cannondale

-gee

[tv_vt]

I have a 2004 Fondriest Top Level with Deda U107 tubing, like Scandium. It is totally awesome. Great geometry, slightly sloping top tube in the XL size frame (60cm), smooth ride, but goes when you tell it to. Beautiful "paint" or whatever it is they do to it, too.

[cpg]

Has any other bike company had more product recalls than Cannondale? To my memory they're an industry leader in this catagory.

Curt

[shinomaster]

i have pals that race professionally for, and work "inside"
at c'ale and have watched those frames' quality and aesthetics
skyrocket over the past 5-6 years. i think they are killer bicycles
in all respects.

Did I just read that?

Its true climb. I often wished I had a cannondale back when I was racing around Lexington and Concord. They go fast fast. Also they are yellow and red and those are RICHIE-ISSIMO approved colors no?

[Dr. Doofus]

doof's ridley made of deda M2 looks really cool

he'll know how it rides after slapping a cheap ritchey fork on it and the right stem

the fat porn guy cut up the fork that the jerk had already cut properly...*

it sounds zingy anyway







* that's fork # 2 hacked by the fat porn guy, if you remember the fate of doof's 02 fork...which is whay he had to buy an ouzo last april...but doof loves the fat porn guy and he's the only shop in this town....

[shinomaster]

Hey climbo...who is Bambo?

[Climb01742]

Hey climbo...who is Bambo?

got me. who is bambo?

[Bill Bove]

Wasn't he the guy that asked Jerry to pick up his mail?

[Grant McLean]

Has any other bike company had more product recalls than Cannondale? To my memory they're an industry leader in this catagory.

Curt


what? that handlebar bag recall of 2004 really pissed you off?

http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/tech/recalls.html

Most are related to components, some with a their logo,
others not.

-g

[e-RICHIE]

Wasn't he the guy that asked Jerry to pick up his mail?

you're thinking of the assman.




edit : YIKES. i didn't get censored!

[lnomalley]

we are on c-dale six13 pro's this year. i can't think of any single bike manufacturer more invested in engineering their frames.

also.. i've heard great things about the felt scandiums. specialized used to make a wonderful alum crit bike too.

[Bittersweet]

Extremely happy with my Team SC. Geometry is unbelievably close to my Mooney custom steel which is what sold me on the frame. Now that the SC has been superseded by the Premium there should be very good prices on overstock.

I would think that for most of us once you get to a certain quality of frame the more important question comes down to how close is the stock geometry to your "ideal". Colnagos have a very different fit than a Merckx etc. For me to ride a stock Colnago I would have had to done some aggressive things to get enough setback. With a Merckx I can use a regular setback post (EC70) and put the rails of a Flite right in the middle.

[fstrthnu]

Like Water is a Gas.... Just an extra molecule of Hydrogen right?

IMH2O

Go ahead, tell me something else I don't know.

Fstrthnu

[JohnS]

Like Water is a Gas.... Just an extra molecule of Hydrogen right?

IMH2O

Go ahead, tell me something else I don't know.

Fstrthnu
"Scandium" frames have very little scandium in them. It's mostly aluminum.

[fstrthnu]

My point was they are not Aluminum. They are Scandium.

Here is a lesson in materials:

Wood = Wood

Granite = Granite

Scandium = Scandium

If this is too complex for You to understand, be sure to send Your kids to diifferent schools than You attended.

Fstrthnu

[flydhest]

...er, my understanding is that "scandium" frames are aluminum alloys with scandium (and not that much) in the alloy. In the same way, we talk about titanium frames, but they are actually alloys with stuff like vanadium mixed in. Titanium is an element, but CP titanium is a sucky material to make a frame from.

. . . so, in what ways are these scandium frames not aluminum? In the same way that titanium frames are not titanium?

c.f.
http://www.salsacycles.com/scandium.html

[bluesea]

Why do people call my frame steel, when its carbon? Or chrome. Or molybdenum.

[bluesea]

...er, my understanding is that "scandium" frames are aluminum alloys with scandium (and not that much) in the alloy. In the same way, we talk about titanium frames, but they are actually alloys with stuff like vanadium mixed in. Titanium is an element, but CP titanium is a sucky material to make a frame from.

. . . so, in what ways are these scandium frames not aluminum? In the same way that titanium frames are not titanium?

You can't compare to Ti, unless you want to call it Al, or Vanadium.

[MikeM]

A quick look through most of the tubing manufacturers sites reveals that tubes that are named "scandium" tubes are so called because of there higher scandium content, in the same way that our aluminium bikes are not 100% pure aluminum, they have various alloying elements.

It's just that Scandium is involved in a scandium tube...

[fstrthnu]

Why do people call my frame steel, when its carbon? Or chrome. Or molybdenum.


Thank You Bluesea. You are not MP.

Fstrthnu :beer:

[MikeM]

Damn, smeone beat me to it!

[sspielman]

My point was they are not Aluminum. They are Scandium.

Here is a lesson in materials:

Wood = Wood

Granite = Granite

Scandium = Scandium

If this is too complex for You to understand, be sure to send Your kids to diifferent schools than You attended.

Fstrthnu

The frames referred to as "scandium" (that is to say made with the Easton tubes labelled that way) are ALUMINUM ALLOY frames. The alloy from which they made is comprised of a small amount of scandium. There is no such thing as a pure aluminum frame...such a frame would be far too weak. All "aluminum" frames are made from alloys....usually with magnesium, zinc, tin, titanium and others.

*scholastic transcripts available upon request

[BdaGhisallo]

Actually, I believe when people make reference to scandium frames, they are talking about frames made with tubes of aluminum with a small amount of scandium used as an alloying agent. The tubes is not made solely of scandium nor is it the majority of the tube alloy mix.

I am no metallurgist, but I believe this is correct.

Damn! It looks like a lot of folks beat me to it, and did a better job to boot!

[flydhest]

OK, as has been made clear, hopefully everyone is now disabused of their fallacious notions. Scandium frames are made of an aluminum alloy in much the same way that titanium frames are made of a titanium alloy, and chro-moly frames are made of steel alloys, but history, marketing, or innovation dictates which of the metals gets cited in the name.

[fstrthnu]

The frames referred to as "scandium" (that is to say made with the Easton tubes labelled that way) are ALUMINUM ALLOY frames. The alloy from which they made is comprised of a small amount of scandium. There is no such thing as a pure aluminum frame...such a frame would be far too weak. All "aluminum" frames are made from alloys....usually with magnesium, zinc, tin, titanium and others.

*scholastic transcripts available upon request

you ARE mp.

Why call anything anything then?.... Why do names even exist if nothing is what it's name is? Maybe we should call humans a "combination of bones, flesh, fat, muscles, intestite, teeth, hair, skin..."

Is it so hard to understand that there is a reason why Aluminum is called Aluminum and Scandium is called Scandium?

"Oh, gee, I forgot there is a teeny tiny bit of Scandium in Aluminum... Thats why its called Scandium, but hey guys!... Surprise! Its really Aluminum (applause goes here), it just has a little bit of Scandium in it. Time for me to go back to my home planet Mars and associate with all my other Neandrathol friends to talk about why we should really call chickens, big birds with feathers and beaks and stuff."

"By the way, I am a total Idiot."

Thats basically how I sum up what all of You are saying.

Yes, I know I can't spell. Thank You.

Fstrthnu


:rolleyes:

[JohnS]

Frames being labeled as "scandium" are a marketing gimmick to differentiate them from the "old" run of the mill, aluminum.

[JohnS]

you ARE mp.

Why call anything anything then?.... Why do names even exist if nothing is what it's name is? Maybe we should call humans a "combination of bones, flesh, fat, muscles, intestite, teeth, hair, skin..."

Is it so hard to understand that there is a reason why Aluminum is called Aluminum and Scandium is called Scandium?

"Oh, gee, I forgot there is a teeny tiny bit of Scandium in Aluminum... Thats why its called Scandium, but hey guys!... Surprise! Its really Aluminum (applause goes here), it just has a little bit of Scandium in it. Time for me to go back to my home planet Mars and associate with all my other Neandrathol friends to talk about why we should really call chickens, big birds with feathers and beaks and stuff."

"By the way, I am a total Idiot."

Thats basically how I sum up what all of You are saying.

Yes, I know I can't spell. Thank You.

Fstrthnu


:rolleyes:
From your moniker, I deduce that you are referring to your pedaling speed and not your intellectual capacity.

[Tom]

If you’ll be my bodyguard
I can be your long lost pal
I can call you Betty
And Betty when you call me
You can call me Al

[Dr. Doofus]

"By the way, I am a total Idiot."

Thats basically how I sum up what all of You are saying.

Yes, I know I can't spell. Thank You.

Fstrthnu



yo

once my a$$ makes contact

my bikes are 100% pure $hit

so there

[fstrthnu]

yo

once my *** makes contact

my bikes are 100% pure ****

so there

Yeah! What the Doof Said!

Fstrthnu

[fstrthnu]

From your moniker, I deduce that you are referring to your pedaling speed and not your intellectual capacity.

By your moniker, I deduce the "S" is for Sally.

Fstrthnu

*** is Your IQ B!tch?

[Roy E. Munson]

If I take a dump and there's corn in it, is it still $hit?

[fstrthnu]

If I take a dump and there's corn in it, is it still $hit?

Only if You live in Belgium.

Fstrthnu

[jdoiv]

If I take a dump and there's corn in it, is it still $hit?

LOL! I think you've all been Munsoned!

[fstrthnu]

LOL! I think you've all been Munsoned!

Yes I have. I admit defeat.

Humbly,
Fstrthnu

[Roy E. Munson]

Fstrthnu is good people.

[jerk]

the jerk doesn't have time to read through this...will someone please sum it up in ten words or less?

jerk

("mad painful" counts as two words.)

[shinomaster]

Does fstrthnu stand for something?

[shinomaster]

got me. who is bambo?


Ok then you must have ment bamboo....not Rambo.

[Fixed]

bro he said we said they said stuff cheers

[shinomaster]

the jerk doesn't have time to read through this...will someone please sum it up in ten words or less?

jerk

("mad painful" counts as two words.)

Cannondale=good

Cyfac=good

Aluminum=Scandium if you add junk to it.

[Tom]

"This is that, that's the other, you're stupid".

Not you... you're not Betty, either.

[IXXI]

Thank Dog somebody said it! I love this one. Total keeper.
</fanning flame>


you ARE mp.

Why call anything anything then?.... Why do names even exist if nothing is what it's name is? Maybe we should call humans a "combination of bones, flesh, fat, muscles, intestite, teeth, hair, skin..."

Is it so hard to understand that there is a reason why Aluminum is called Aluminum and Scandium is called Scandium?

"Oh, gee, I forgot there is a teeny tiny bit of Scandium in Aluminum... Thats why its called Scandium, but hey guys!... Surprise! Its really Aluminum (applause goes here), it just has a little bit of Scandium in it. Time for me to go back to my home planet Mars and associate with all my other Neandrathol friends to talk about why we should really call chickens, big birds with feathers and beaks and stuff."

"By the way, I am a total Idiot."

Thats basically how I sum up what all of You are saying.

Yes, I know I can't spell. Thank You.

Fstrthnu


:rolleyes:

[weisan]

The original question was: "who's doing alu well these days?"

Why can't we just ask Bill-Bove-pal? He said his nipples act in a certain way upon....

[e-RICHIE]

scandium beats aluminum by a huge margin:
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=scandium&word2=aluminum
and ya' know what?
http://www.tedgoas.com/linked/diff23.jpg

hey - thanks for reading.

[e-RICHIE]

post of the month!!

[shinomaster]

post of the month!!

which one?

what the hell is mp?

[shinomaster]

I'm dead...Gary Coleman.. :banana:

[ergott]

If I take a dump and there's corn in it, is it still $hit?

Post of the decade!

[jonesy]

Yeah what the hell is mp?

[shinomaster]

Post of the decade!



yeah ergott that just about sums it all up.

[ergott]

scandium beats aluminum by a huge margin:
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=scandium&word2=aluminum
and ya' know what?
http://www.tedgoas.com/linked/diff23.jpg

hey - thanks for reading.

(edited for content)
Yeah, but Scandium can't touch this
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=scandium&word2=dump


PS The assman rules!

[e-RICHIE]

Yeah what the hell is mp?

wth is mad painful?
this is mad painful...
http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=13776&page=1&pp=40

[davids]

cannondale = good, lately

aluminum + scandium = scandium

mp = big ouchies

[Steve Hampsten]

Wow – tough crowd today. Anybody have any work to do?

Aluminum treated with scandium is usually drawn in smaller diameter tubes with thinner walls compared to non-scandium tubes. It’s the mechanical characteristics of the tubes that allow a scandium frame to ride differently, not the composition of the alloy.

Of course, a frame built with thinner, smaller diameter tubes will flex more – which means it will ride more comfortably – but since it’s aluminum, this means it will fatigue more quickly and fail sooner. Theoretically. But since the aluminum is alloyed with scandium, it won’t. Theoretically.

Meanwhile, I like the aluminum frames that Carl Strong builds, and those from Jason Grove at El Camino Fab, and Co-Motion also builds very nice alloy frames.

Play nice, boys.

[e-RICHIE]

i wonder what stephen hawking would say about all this?

[davids]

i wonder what stephen hawking would say about all this?
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=aluminum&word2=Steven+Hawking

[JohnS]

By your moniker, I deduce the "S" is for Sally.

Fstrthnu

*** is Your IQ B!tch?
Point by point
1. Being a Motor City boy, it would be John Salley (of the Pistons), but that ain't me.
2. fstrthnu- I doubt it
3. It's MISTER ***** to you.
PS Isn't having a moniker like fstrthnu a bit presumptuous?

[Dr. Doofus]

PS Isn't having a moniker like fstrthnu a bit presumptuous?

not if he is

and he is

ain't fair, but is true

[cpg]

the jerk doesn't have time to read through this...will someone please sum it up in ten words or less?

jerk

("mad painful" counts as two words.)

Cannondale's okay but don't ask their creditors about them.

Curt

[taz-t]

the jerk doesn't have time to read through this...will someone please sum it up in ten words or less?

jerk

("mad painful" counts as two words.)


Corn, *****, scandium, fstrthnu, shino(la), munsoned nipples, mp, POM.


- Taz in Atlanta

[Fixed]

not if he is

and he is

ain't fair, but is truebro you could always say momilesndalegssdenu an old african name .cheers compai :beer:

[Dr. Doofus]

the doof thinks that bud does AL pretty well but that's mainly becuase he's allergic to yeast and whatever they do with bud makes it bother doof's allergies less because it doesn't give him post nasal drip when he drinks it like most brew but hey thats ok becuase he's such a dork he won't drink more than a beer every four or five months or so so he don't get fat and slow but he is slow so so what oodf guesses that maybe swanson does AL well cause he used to like those turkey dinners and does it really really really matter whether or not you're a john or a hoe or who is faster than who because you know we're all pretty fast group hugs no don't touch me like that jerk because my doctor said there is nice touching and hurting touching and you are hurting me more to the left please anyway you know if frame builders held races e-ritchie would beat everyone but only because kirk would ride something that looks like a john deer cpg has dilbert glasses pacenti is too nice and nice guys finsh last kellog would show up with a dog that was pretty fast but round would come late wearing italian national team shorts a flannel some cigs and a coupla bottles of vino and damn he didn't bring a bike so what the jerk would show up so he could say he saw those guys race really doof loves you all but a doof knows babbling when he reads it cause the doof can babble so if it hits this point ya'll just shut up because you're all special and fast and you put your bikes on top of the short bus

bye

[Dr. Doofus]

bro you could always say momilesndalegssdenu an old african name .cheers compai :beer:

call me

lssstblthnu

[Dr. Doofus]

call me

lssstblthnu


had a haisid pal once

maybe he's

mrjwthnu

?

[Dr. Doofus]

had a haisid pal once

maybe he's

mrjwthnu

?


got another friend

she should be

mnchmrthnu

[Dr. Doofus]

got another friend

she should be

mnchmrthnu


had a big dog

shtmrthnu

[manet]

i wonder what stephen hawking would say about all this?

http://www.getdigital.de/images/produkte/t2/t2_no-comment.jpg

[Climb01742]

whoa, 8 pages of the human brain as a pinball machine. tommy can you hear me?

ps: steve h., thanks for the post. cogent as always.

[William]

The original question was: "who's doing alu well these days?"

Why can't we just ask Bill-Bove-pal? He said his nipples act in a certain way upon....

Weisan-pal cuts right thru the shi-at (sans corn). Simple. Grab all the aluminum/scrapium frames, line them up and let Bill-pal walk the line. The frames that get the chilly twin salute are obviously the best. ;)


William

PS: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=William&word2=fstrthnu

[Hysbrian]

not if he is

and he is

ain't fair, but is true

Ture story. I'll second it Doof.
Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

[e-RICHIE]

Ture story. I'll second it Doof.
Don't hate the playa, hate the game.



what hysbrian writes.
hey - thanks for reading.

[jerk]

what e-richie says...

jerk

[e-RICHIE]

what e-richie says...

jerk



don't shoot the bike messenger imho.

[Ginger]

Hey Kids...
What does how fast someone is or isn't have to do with who is building good aluminum alloy frames these days?

I think what is bothering people most is that faster-than-us, really *is* faster than us and insists that we aknowledge it even if we've never met him. Rude though that is, everyone should actually feel sorry for the boy because it is a certainty that faster than us is just that; but in his own world (his own world being the one he competes in), he certainly is slower than someone else on certain days. And wouldn't that just be a crushing thing to be faster than all of us yet still get beat at the line? What a heavy weight for faster than us to carry!

(And if he isn't slower than anyone else in the world, he's probably on the Dr. Doofus "The clear and the green" program....really mad painful.)

[Fixed]

bro jesse james was a fast gun cheers :beer:

[shinomaster]

So Climb...do you have any more questions? Are you gonna go get a new bike?

[vaxn8r]

These are "good AL frames":

[shinomaster]

Dude...that co-motion is pretty effin rad...even though it says co-motion all over it!

[Climb01742]

So Climb...do you have any more questions? Are you gonna go get a new bike?

shino, my alu question really was just curiousity...we talk a lot about steel, carbon and ti, but rarely about alu...just a winter's day daydreamin'...and any more questions? loads, shino, loads...but not so many with bike-related content. :banana:

[cs124]

Dude...that co-motion is pretty effin rad...even though it says co-motion all over it!

it'd be pretty cool with a picture of a pig and a fast guy's name on it...

[William]

Dude...that co-motion is pretty effin rad...even though it says co-motion all over it!

Dooode, Co-Motion makes ~very nice~ rigs. One of my Ole Oregon team mates, a junior Olympic RR winner and Euro racer loved his Co-Motion race iron. :cool:


William

[shinomaster]

Like someone else said, it would be pretty cool to see what Serotta could do with aluminum. Even if someone else built them.

[Dr. Doofus]

Like someone else said, it would be pretty cool to see what Serotta could do with aluminum. Even if someone else built them.

naah

serotta should do

scandium

[lnomalley]

i for one would love it if serotta did a less than 1k aluminum/scandium race frame in custom geo. just a one or two year racing rig. or even better.. check out predator bikes... this kid aram and russ denny making aluminm lug carbon bikes on the cheap. total little rockets... how about a aluminum otrott?

of all the materials i've ridden.. if you take away life span (because a good ti bike is a long term relationship) i would argue that aluminum frames are the best race rigs (if you just want a bike for a year, and the goal of the bike is to be light and stiff).
http//:www.predatorcycling.com (the site isnt done yet.. he's a local kid.. only 19 years old)

[Dr. Doofus]

"nothing eats a predator"

that's wack

doof likes those guys

[vaxn8r]

i for one would love it if serotta did a less than 1k aluminum/scandium race frame in custom geo. just a one or two year racing rig. or even better.. check out predator bikes... this kid aram and russ denny making aluminm lug carbon bikes on the cheap. total little rockets... how about a aluminum otrott?

of all the materials i've ridden.. if you take away life span (because a good ti bike is a long term relationship) i would argue that aluminum frames are the best race rigs (if you just want a bike for a year, and the goal of the bike is to be light and stiff).
http//:www.predatorcycling.com (the site isnt done yet.. he's a local kid.. only 19 years old)
I think the price for what you're talking would likely be closer to $1800-2000 without fork....IMO. It'd still be way cool and they'd sell a lot.

[MikeS]

Not sure if anyone is still reading this thread.
I only read some of the threads but Orbea is still working closely with Columbus to create some Crazy cool Alu. Check out the Arin - customizible 950gm frame. The beautiful part is a special (top secret) process that helps the welds retain 90+%, which pretty much exceeds all other alu weld processes. They also do some other cool hydro forming which is light comfortble and euro flare.
check it yo. www.orbea-usa.com