A Request

[Lewis Moon]

I figure this will get flamed or moved, but here goes:

Could folks PLEASE put the pertinent size/compatibility info for whatever you are selling in the title? I know there is only a certain number of characters, but if you can fit it in, please do.

thankyouverymuch.

[Ahneida Ride]

At least the frame size ....

[AngryScientist]

ahh yes, i got your PM on the subject and have been meaning to reply.

i agree. good idea. do it people.

[lhuerta]

...while we are at at, on a related topic, can people PLEASE not erase the price of their item after it has sold?

When I prepare to post an item for sale on the group I like to do a quick search for similar items that have been offered to gauge our groups fair market value, then I price my item in accordance with the good deals that are offered by others here.

Thanks,
Lou

[Don49]

...while we are at at, on a related topic, can people PLEASE not erase the price of their item after it has sold? I second that. Never understood why sellers feel the need to delete the price after the sale.

[Matt-H]

...while we are at at, on a related topic, can people PLEASE not erase the price of their item after it has sold?

When I prepare to post an item for sale on the group I like to do a quick search for similar items that have been offered to gauge our groups fair market value, then I price my item in accordance with the good deals that are offered by others here.

Thanks,
Lou


Exactly.

[William]

I second that. Never understood why sellers feel the need to delete the price after the sale.

I've also wondered about this as well.

As Lou mentioned, being able to search and figure a fair value on similar items to what you are selling is very helpful collectively. It's also helpful when an item is listed that you're interested in buying and you're not sure where that asking price falls on the bell curve of similar items.

Beneficial on both sides of the coin.







William

[Marcy]

I'd like to add my support to these requests -- please leave the price after something sells, and kindly make full use of the title to let folks know the size/compatibility of your item.

Both make the classified section more useful, and easier to quickly navigate.

Thanks!

[kohlboto]

...while we are at at, on a related topic, can people PLEASE not erase the price of their item after it has sold?

Thanks,
Lou

I'll add to the pile on...this is a great request.

[tsarpepe]

I am not sure that leaving the price is such a great help. If I find that someone sold a newish Brooks Professional for 90 bucks, it means that he's a generous person. It doesn't mean that this is the "fair" price or, even less, the market price.

I've seen people come in after the item has been sold, and post things like, "Man, you could have sold this for twice as much." Now there's one good reason to delete the price.

[Ken Robb]

Leaving the prices up can be very misleading as to fair market value because there may be quite a difference between asking and selling prices. Then we have to consider the motivation of the buyer and the seller. A guy desperate for that last part of alloy Record to complete the build of his custom dream bike might pay almost anything for a right hand Ergo while someone trying to put together an economical build for his daily commuter would see the value as a lot less.

Then on this site we often see members trying to do a good turn for an on-line pal offering really low prices. Another member who is trying to upgrade his bike but needs to get his idea of FMV in order to afford the new stuff doesn't want to hear from potential buyers that " Mr. Generous sold a similar item 3 months ago for 1/2 what you are asking".

[thirdgenbird]

It may even help if we try and stick to a simple standard:

FS: colnago master frameset (58)
WTB: lightweight wheelset (s)
FS: fulcrum 5cx wheelset (c)
FS: wound up fork (1.125)
WTB: Thomson elite (27.2)
FS: record ut crankset (175) (53/39)
FS: ultegra 6800 cassette (12-25)

I'm not saying this is it, but an idea.

[bobswire]

The only reason I've deleted a price was not to confuse folks thinking it was still available. I'll leave it for future reference,don't understand why anyone should be against it. Hint for sellers, the lower the price the faster it sells. :)

[Louis]

I second that. Never understood why sellers feel the need to delete the price after the sale.

I think that in some cases (not all) it's because folks have a tendency to be secretive about money.

[binxnyrwarrsoul]

Ebay completed listings. Best gauge of market price, imo.

...while we are at at, on a related topic, can people PLEASE not erase the price of their item after it has sold?

When I prepare to post an item for sale on the group I like to do a quick search for similar items that have been offered to gauge our groups fair market value, then I price my item in accordance with the good deals that are offered by others here.

Thanks,
Lou

[Louis]

Nice - short but informative. But good luck getting compliance.

It may even help if we try and stick to a simple standard:

FS: colnago master frameset (58)
WTB: lightweight wheelset (s)
FS: fulcrum 5cx wheelset (c)
FS: wound up fork (1.125)
WTB: Thomson elite (27.2)
FS: record ut crankset (175) (53/39)
FS: ultegra 6800 cassette (12-25)

[Don49]

Over at the watchuseek.com forum they have this rule (among many others):

You must leave all ad content including the asking price after you sold your items for future references.

The watch guys are a tough crowd.

[enr1co]

I am not sure that leaving the price is such a great help. If I find that someone sold a newish Brooks Professional for 90 bucks, it means that he's a generous person. It doesn't mean that this is the "fair" price or, even less, the market price.

I've seen people come in after the item has been sold, and post things like, "Man, you could have sold this for twice as much." Now there's one good reason to delete the price.

Im with this- could be that a seller is just passing on a smoking deal as they may have acquired it gratis, won it as a prize, got at a substantial club or select discount etc. It may or may not represent mkt price to set a bar at.

If an item shows "sold", one can just assume it was a fair price or a good deal and move on.

[fiataccompli]

Fwiw I would prefer seeing the price and usually (not always) I am smart enough to figure out whether it's a crazy low price or market or whatever. ..hard to argue with accurate data presented clearly and consistently

[dave thompson]

Ebay completed listings. Best gauge of market price, imo.

^^THIS^^ What an item sells here on the forum seldom (hopefully) represents what that item is worth. Mostly items offered here by and large, especially by longer term forum members, are significantly underpriced as regards to fair market value. A buyer establishes what something is worth when he buys it. You've seen many FS posts here that have remained unsold because the 'buyers' have spoken with regards to what that item is worth, or not.

I've had a long-standing policy when I've posted something for sale here: if it's free or purposefully underpriced, I sell to forum members only, if its a long-term member or one that I "know", I'll ship before I receive the payment. I remove the price when the item is sold because the asking price was what that item was worth to me, not necessarily the market price.

Some of the newer guys may not understand/like/agree with the above statement but I've been doing it here for 13 years and it works for me.

[akelman]

^^THIS^^ What an item sells here on the forum seldom (hopefully) represents what that item is worth. Mostly items offered here by and large, especially by longer term forum members, are significantly underpriced as regards to fair market value. A buyer establishes what something is worth when he buys it. You've seen many FS posts here that have remained unsold because the 'buyers' have spoken with regards to what that item is worth, or not.

I've had a long-standing policy when I've posted something for sale here: if it's free or purposefully underpriced, I sell to forum members only, if its a long-term member or one that I "know", I'll ship before I receive the payment. I remove the price when the item is sold because the asking price was what that item was worth to me, not necessarily the market price.

Some of the newer guys may not understand/like/agree with the above statement but I've been doing it here for 13 years and it works for me.

Not surprisingly, I agree with every word of this post. Honestly, if people want to know the fair market value of an item, there are many better ways than looking at the asking prices posted here. And if people hope to sell their stuff for fair market value, there are many better markets than the classifieds here.

[akelman]

Also, you kids with your fair market value and your rock and roll music need to get off my lawn.

[fiataccompli]

That sounds totally reasonable to me. One of the cool things here (and I say this as a relative newbie) is that there is a sense of community that permeates this forum. I am part of a select other few similar groups and I say it is a good thing, a rather rare thing, and should be appreciated every day it continues to exist.

out

[Lewis Moon]

It may even help if we try and stick to a simple standard:

FS: colnago master frameset (58)
WTB: lightweight wheelset (s)
FS: fulcrum 5cx wheelset (c)
FS: wound up fork (1.125)
WTB: Thomson elite (27.2)
FS: record ut crankset (175) (53/39)
FS: ultegra 6800 cassette (12-25)

I'm not saying this is it, but an idea.

Nice. Short and simple. Maybe a sticky with these notations would be cool.

[jeduardo]

AK just re-sodded ...please none of this behavior (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93V12uKys30)
Also, you kids with your fair market value and your rock and roll music need to get off my lawn.

[zmudshark]

^^THIS^^ What an item sells here on the forum seldom (hopefully) represents what that item is worth. Mostly items offered here by and large, especially by longer term forum members, are significantly underpriced as regards to fair market value. A buyer establishes what something is worth when he buys it. You've seen many FS posts here that have remained unsold because the 'buyers' have spoken with regards to what that item is worth, or not.

I've had a long-standing policy when I've posted something for sale here: if it's free or purposefully underpriced, I sell to forum members only, if its a long-term member or one that I "know", I'll ship before I receive the payment. I remove the price when the item is sold because the asking price was what that item was worth to me, not necessarily the market price.

Some of the newer guys may not understand/like/agree with the above statement but I've been doing it here for 13 years and it works for me.

My sentiments as well. I have sold stuff that went very fast, and had things that never sold. Some things are worth more to me than someone is willing to pay, others are worth more to others than me.

What something sells for here is not representative of an international auction price. That is one reason that I didn't post what my Primato sold for here when people were asking for 'reference'. Paceline is not a reference for what something is worth, eBay completed auctions are.

I'd like to think of this place as the least I'll take for it with minimum hassle.

[lhuerta]

You guys really need to go back and read my original post....I said, explicitly, that our forum's past prices in the classifieds assist me in establishing "our group's fair market value" which in most cases reflects a much lower price then "actual market value"...in other words I am seeking the value that is consistent with the comraderie of passing along a better deal to forum members.

I am a bit perplexed that some of you who have chimed in, especially our more senior memebrs, would suggest using ebay or craisgslist to determine the value of a part before posting to our forum. Aren't you the same guys who are always talking about preserving our community, passing along a good deal, and not allowing the practices and norms of the auction sites and other forums to pollute our group...?

Lou

[akelman]

That's not what I said or meant, Lou. But it's really not that big a deal to me one way or the other. If the mods change the rules, I'll play along. Otherwise, this is another one of those discussions that comes up periodically and leads nowhere.

[ORMojo]

You guys really need to go back and read my original post....I said, explicitly, that our forum's past prices in the classifieds assist me in establishing "our group's fair market value" which in most cases reflects a much lower price then "actual market value"...in other words I am seeking the value that is consistent with the comraderie of passing along a better deal to forum members.

I am a bit perplexed that some of you who have chimed in, especially our more senior memebrs, would suggest using ebay or craisgslist to determine the value of a part before posting to our forum. Aren't you the same guys who are always talking about preserving our community, passing along a good deal, and not allowing the practices and norms of the auction sites and other forums to pollute our group...?

Lou

I too wondered why the thread drifted from your original request, but also don't think you should be perplexed. You say you are perplexed by the suggestion to use "ebay or craisgslist to determine the value of a part before posting to our forum." But you conveniently left out the word in that statement that also formed the basis of your point in the first paragraph - "market." In other words, I think folks are suggesting using ebay/craigslist to establish market value, which can, in turn, help establish a forum listing price, consistent with part of the forum rules - "please offer our Forumites a discount" - and forum spirit.

[Don49]

Fwiw I would prefer seeing the price and usually (not always) I am smart enough to figure out whether it's a crazy low price or market or whatever. ..hard to argue with accurate data presented clearly and consistently Agreed.

Price data is good. Let other forum users decide how relevant that data is.

And what possible justification is there for a seller to edit a listing (for his now sold item) to remove the price?

[akelman]

And what possible justification is there for a seller to edit a listing (for his now sold item) to remove the price?

Because the asking price often (as in, very often) has nothing whatsoever to do with the sale price. And therefore the asking price obscures more than it reveals. That said, people should do what they want. And as I said above, if the mods change the rules, I'll change my behavior.

[CaliFly]

In Chrome, I can hover over the topic and see some of the actual post. If I still can't tell, I click. It's one click.

I think going corporate with all your fancy titles and big words will encourage the "Classifieds Surfers" and discourage forum participation. But that's just the grumblings of a old-school curmudgeon.

Cheers. :beer:

[Don49]

And what possible justification is there for a seller to edit a listing (for his now sold item) to remove the price?

Because the asking price often (as in, very often) has nothing whatsoever to do with the sale price. And therefore the asking price obscures more than it reveals. Then why even state a price in the ad? [Never mind, forum rule] So instead of deleting the price, why not edit in the real selling price?

[akelman]

Then why even state a price in the ad? [Never mind, forum rule] So instead of deleting the price, why not edit in the real selling price?

Because what people pay for the stuff they buy from me is their business, not the forum's.

[zmudshark]

Because what people pay for the stuff they buy from me is their business, not the forum's.
Exactly.

[dave thompson]

Because what people pay for the stuff they buy from me is their business, not the forum's.

Exactly

This is exactly why I delete prices of items I've sold.

[benc]

Let's wrap this up or move it out of the classifieds.

Thanks

[Don49]

This is exactly why I delete prices of items I've sold.Then save yourself the trouble and conduct the sale through PM's

[Louis]

Then save yourself the trouble and conduct the sale through PM's

That's going a bit far IMO. It's his right to delete the price if he so chooses.

If you're going to advertise something for sale the price really does need to be there when the ad is posted. Whether or not it stays there is the seller's prerogative.

I'd rather the prices stay but someone wants to remove them from his postings, that's his business.

[Don49]

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[tsarpepe]

No one can make me keep the price in the listing after the item is sold, and as this discussion has shown, no one can give a convincing argument as to why people who remove it are wrong. So why don't we put an end to this discussion?

[Lewis Moon]

No one can make me keep the price in the listing after the item is sold, and as this discussion has shown, no one can give a convincing argument as to why people who remove it are wrong. So why don't we put an end to this discussion?

That wasn't the discussion in the first place.

Really, I just want to see information in the title other than "uh...it's a frame...and it's red"

[tsarpepe]

That wasn't the discussion in the first place.

Really, I just want to see information in the title other than "uh...it's a frame...and it's red"

I understand. My comment was about the discussion that followed your initial request.

[Shortsocks]

...while we are at at, on a related topic, can people PLEASE not erase the price of their item after it has sold?

When I prepare to post an item for sale on the group I like to do a quick search for similar items that have been offered to gauge our groups fair market value, then I price my item in accordance with the good deals that are offered by others here.

Thanks,
Lou

I agree with this as well, I've stated this before. It's very important not only as a seller but as a buyer to know if a object is worth as much as a seller is has it priced. I always leave the prices for this reason.

[pdmtong]

Because what people pay for the stuff they buy from me is their business, not the forum's.

I'm with Ari here

Look at Noise...he deletes the entire listing once sold. how about them apples?
His entitlement...no judgement here

you guys want to leave the price, fine. I'll do what I want. free country and all.

[Shortsocks]

I'm with Ari here

Look at Noise...he deletes the entire listing once sold. how about them apples?
His entitlement...no judgement here

you guys want to leave the price, fine. I'll do what I want. free country and all.

I agree with you too. :)
Keep it up the price if you wart, erase it if you want too as well.

BUT

If you were selling something that was badass and I was in the market for it but was too busy to check every 5 mins to buy it and lost it, I will leave a nasty comment about someone being a NINJA in that particular post. :banana:

[binxnyrwarrsoul]

"Look at Noise...he deletes the entire listing once sold. how about them apples?"

I do the same thing, but I also delete an item sold in a multiple item ad, but more so to add to the description of other items not sold.

If for some reason I don't know what price to set, I go to the completed listings, factor condition, subtract for "bro" pricing, then subtract for "forum pricing." I've gotten some ridiculous deals here, I've given some ridiculous deals here, have even given and received stuff free. It's all cool and part of the reason I enjoy this place, and prefer buying and selling here, over the other avenues. If I' really want to know what a particular item sold for, I'll PM the seller and ask.

[Lewis Moon]

I just wanted to bump this back up to the top. A lot of folks are posting data free title lines.


Also: It's pretty easy to take good pictures. Really. There are tutorials all over the interwebs. Gawd I hate cheesy, unrotated, out of focus, badly lit camera phone photos. It's almost worse than no photo at all.

[eBAUMANN]

"Look at Noise...he deletes the entire listing once sold. how about them apples?"

I do the same thing, but I also delete an item sold in a multiple item ad, but more so to add to the description of other items not sold.

If for some reason I don't know what price to set, I go to the completed listings, factor condition, subtract for "bro" pricing, then subtract for "forum pricing." I've gotten some ridiculous deals here, I've given some ridiculous deals here, have even given and received stuff free. It's all cool and part of the reason I enjoy this place, and prefer buying and selling here, over the other avenues. If I' really want to know what a particular item sold for, I'll PM the seller and ask.

My thoughts exactly.

[fiamme red]

Sorry, I'm late to this thread, so I have to ask:

What size is the request? Is it compatible with Ultegra 6700? ;)

[ninjaman]

I can't believe you made me click into the ad to read the request.