New Lemond bikes with pics

[bikeridah]

Just saw these pics over on rbr this morning. Anyonw know where to get those cool banners?

http://reviews.roadbikereview.com/new-lemond-bicycles-combine-team-z-team-adr

http://rcdn.roadbikereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/P9205135.jpg

[jmoore]

The font on that downtube is awful. It would be enough to put me off buying that bike.

[oldpotatoe]

The font on that downtube is awful. It would be enough to put me off buying that bike.

Really? A logo design would keep you from buying a frame, even if you rode it and liked it?

[wallymann]

http://rcdn.roadbikereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/P9205139-700x525.jpg

[MattTuck]

If you went and told a person that there are two companies, Time and Lemond. And said that one is French and one is American, and asked them to pick which one...

I find that kind of funny for some reason.

[jmoore]

Really? A logo design would keep you from buying a frame, even if you rode it and liked it?

yes.


Why would I ride a bike that I thought was aesthetically unappealing? Esp. one as expensive as that one is.

[oldpotatoe]

yes.


Why would I ride a bike that I thought was aesthetically unappealing? Esp. one as expensive as that one is.

Ok, just asking but I would think function would outweigh a headtube logo design. But yer $.

[FlashUNC]

I think the logos are an upgrade over Time's fare lately. I love their bikes -- they are fantastic -- but the graphics....guh.


http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010-time-nxr-ulteam-bike.jpg

[false_Aest]

Bah,

Whatev. It's a Time.


But just to make less optical sense . . . They should've put Lightweights on it.

[false_Aest]

I think the logos are an upgrade over Time's fare lately. I love their bikes -- they are fantastic -- but the graphics....guh.


http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010-time-nxr-ulteam-bike.jpg

Wait, who makes that bike?

[John Price]

Just shows we each have our own tastes. I like the new graphics and I DEFINITELY like the LeMond graphics over the Time graphics.

Also, good laugh on the post above about which company is French and which is American.

[FlashUNC]

Wait, who makes that bike?

It's like the decided to copy Specialized's design sense.

My VXR has logos everywhere, but I really don't care given how the bike rides, and there are at least some funny touches to it.

[binxnyrwarrsoul]

Forget about the logo, that stem would be the first thing gone, imho.

[lookout2015]

Wait, who makes that bike?

If only they'd thought, they could have fit a TIME or two on the head tube also. Then we'd know!

[zap]

Hey, seatback seatpost, good stem length, nice drop, campagnolo...................:banana:

Lemond's cycling adventures and his book that included some fit basics are what motivated me to start racing bicycles.

[binxnyrwarrsoul]

If only they'd thought, they could have fit a TIME or two on the head tube also. Then we'd know!

Trek figured it out.

[jmoore]

Ok, just asking but I would think function would outweigh a headtube logo design. But yer $.

There are plenty of great looking bikes that ride as nicely as that one.


And I agree about the stem needing to go as well.

[Hawker]

The font on that downtube is awful. It would be enough to put me off buying that bike.

I don't mind the logo...I believe it is supposed to harken back to the original Lemond logo which probably strengthens brand recognition. Glad to see Greg back in the marketplace and I won't be looking for the Armstrong brand anytime soon. -- Sorry, couldn't help myself

[sales guy]

I am a fan of both LeMond and Time. I own both. But honestly, if I had e chance to get a new LeMond, I hope I can take the down tube and head tube decals off. I think they look hideous. Would it stop me from buying it, not sure.

[enr1co]

I don't mind the logo...I believe it is supposed to harken back to the original Lemond logo which probably strengthens brand recognition. Glad to see Greg back in the marketplace and I won't be looking for the Armstrong brand anytime soon. -- Sorry, couldn't help myself

That "Armstrong brand" has never been on my list of bikes to want- even before it became his brand.

Just a random thought... I wonder how many owners want to paint over their postal themed/colored bikes?:p

Ooops- back to original topic... Maybe if you bought one of the limited bikes you could ask them to include one. Who knows, it may become a promo item as part of the marketing with the bike. Otherwise, the images are fairly common ones of him so you could possibly pull one off
the web and see if Kinkos could do a large banner size for you.

[Aaron O]

I've owned and loved a few older Lemond bikes...I like the geometry, I like Lemond and I hope he has a steel offering forthcoming. I really hope he succeeds in this venture.

Totally OT, and fantasy, but wouldn't some form of collaboration between Ben and Lemond be great?

[BumbleBeeDave]

. . . REAL yellow, or that icky "flouro" yellow-green that seems to be the new black?

I can't tell from the pic.

BBD

http://rcdn.roadbikereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/P9205139-700x525.jpg

[#campyuserftw]

http://rcdn.roadbikereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/P9205139-700x525.jpg

Add purple bar tape and saddle. Shazzam!

[binxnyrwarrsoul]

Add purple bar tape and saddle. Shazzam!

And a little "Z" on the TT just behind the HT. :cool::cool:

[#campyuserftw]

And a little "Z" on the TT just behind the HT. :cool::cool:

And a, "I brake for Badgers LOL" bumper sticker. :banana:

[bcroslin]

What I would do for a Time manufactured Lemond Poprad. One can dream....

[oldguy00]

Which model time were these based off of? NXR?
I love them!

[FlashUNC]

Which model time were these based off of? NXR?
I love them!

The NXS.

[oldpotatoe]

There are plenty of great looking bikes that ride as nicely as that one.


And I agree about the stem needing to go as well.

Really? Didn't think it was actually 'out' yet..

Yep, the Trek headtube..that's the frame I would buy.

[wildboar]

The website is updated with the 3 limited editions:

https://greglemond.com/#/

[oldguy00]

About 4500 for frame/fork. Pricey, but not so much that they won't sell out fairly quick I bet.

[enr1co]

About 4500 for frame/fork. Pricey, but not so much that they won't sell out fairly quick I bet.

~$500 more than the msrp of Tme's regular NXS offering with the "limited collection" factor? Im sure they already have a waiting list of Lemond fans that didnt even blink :)

Too rich for my blood but if I had the bank would go for the 86" version- always liked the TDF all around jersey design. Im sure the organizers will bring it back one of these days...

[FlashUNC]

~$500 more than the msrp of Tme's regular NXS offering with the "limited collection" factor? Im sure they already have a waiting list of Lemond fans that didnt even blink :)

Too rich for my blood but would go for the 86" version.

Let's not forget the Lemond will not have Time's usually -- um, creative -- graphics.

[DfCas]

Will the Lemonds have the galvanic corrosion problem? Wonder what the warranty is.

[Charles M]

Lemond picked a good company to partner with relative to the bikes...

That said, Trek make a couple of fantastic bikes too. Way under rated by most of us snobs...

That said, my heart tilts pretty far toward Greg, as does anyone else with a sense of compassion.

[wildboar]

Will the Lemonds have the galvanic corrosion problem? Wonder what the warranty is.

What galvanic corrosion problem?

[DfCas]

What galvanic corrosion problem?

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=136990

[wildboar]

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=136990

Oh, I figured you had something relevant along the lines of the Ford Pinto recall. Widespread panic total destruction. There are a lot more threads about the VXR/VXRS being some of the best frames every produced.

[JonSnow]

Will there be non limited versions at some point or just these exclusive upcharged models?

[sales guy]

From what has been said, Greg is starting with 100 of each model and then next year, around summerish they will have a stock bike ready. But only 300 total of the limiteds. Supposedly they will be ready in early spring.

As for the VXR/VXRs thing, I have owned Time bikes since 1996. They have been fantastic rides. Comfortable, stable and fast. Love them. I do know of the different issues with the frames. Handset bearings, bb shell, dropouts. There are a mix of different issues just as with any bike out there. But, I wouldn't trade my Time frames for anything.

[tuscanyswe]

Cant help to think it looks like a frame from a chinese wholesaler that can sell the frame in a few paint schemes by request.

Even makes the nice build look uninteresting.

[FlashUNC]

Cant help to think it looks like a frame from a chinese wholesaler that can sell the frame in a few paint schemes by request.

Even makes the nice build look uninteresting.

Except for that whole made-from-scratch-in-France bit.

[tuscanyswe]

Except for that whole made-from-scratch-in-France bit.

Thats why i said "looks like"

[Kirk Pacenti]

...my heart tilts pretty far toward Greg, as does anyone else with a sense of compassion.

Yes, I'd agree with this sentiment. That said, I found the bikes to be a little underwhelming.

[redir]

It's the same logo on the old Lemond bikes too. I like the way my Poprad looks with the panels and the logo, kind of classy but to each their own.

[oldguy00]

Does anyone else find the Time geometry kind of odd?

I tend to fit well on bikes with about a 73.5 SA, and a 55'ish top tube. A little over 73cm saddle height. I currently ride a Cervelo S3 54, with one large cone spacer under the stem, and regal saddle at middle of rails.

Looking at the Time/LeMond, a small only has a 54 TT, with a 73 SA which is gonna scrunch things up even more for me once I get my saddle over the BB properly for me. Yet is has a pretty high head tube of about 15cm.

Go up to the medium, still 73SA, with a TT of 55.5. Those could work, but the frame is really tall, almost tourist tall (for someone who only needs a 55 top tube..) at 16.6cm!

https://greglemond.com/#/geometry

[oldpotatoe]

Does anyone else find the Time geometry kind of odd?

I tend to fit well on bikes with about a 73.5 SA, and a 55'ish top tube. A little over 73cm saddle height. I currently ride a Cervelo S3 54, with one large cone spacer under the stem, and regal saddle at middle of rails.

Looking at the Time/LeMond, a small only has a 54 TT, with a 73 SA which is gonna scrunch things up even more for me once I get my saddle over the BB properly for me. Yet is has a pretty high head tube of about 15cm.

Go up to the medium, still 73SA, with a TT of 55.5. Those could work, but the frame is really tall, almost tourist tall (for someone who only needs a 55 top tube..) at 16.6cm!

https://greglemond.com/#/geometry

Guess it depends..the Large would fit me fine and is almost the same geometry as the 58 Vamoots..170mm headtube for the Moots but external headset. 186 for the Lemond but all internal headset, so 'about' the same headtube length.

[Formulasaab]

yes.

Why would I ride a bike that I thought was aesthetically unappealing? Esp. one as expensive as that one is.

Its a taste thing, and there's no accounting for it.

I really like this LeMond logo myself. That said, I'd probably like anything that I saw as going against the "more logo than paint" trend we're seeing on so many frames and components today.

I agree that aesthetics is a perfectly sound reason not to buy a bike. That's what puts me off of all but the most muted of Serottas. I think the script on the downtube looks cheap.

[R2D2]

Does anyone else find the Time geometry kind of odd?

I tend to fit well on bikes with about a 73.5 SA, and a 55'ish top tube. A little over 73cm saddle height. I currently ride a Cervelo S3 54, with one large cone spacer under the stem, and regal saddle at middle of rails.

Looking at the Time/LeMond, a small only has a 54 TT, with a 73 SA which is gonna scrunch things up even more for me once I get my saddle over the BB properly for me. Yet is has a pretty high head tube of about 15cm.

Go up to the medium, still 73SA, with a TT of 55.5. Those could work, but the frame is really tall, almost tourist tall (for someone who only needs a 55 top tube..) at 16.6cm!

https://greglemond.com/#/geometry

Just don't run the large cone spacer for the Lemond. The Cervelo on a 54 ( which is a size under the Lemond L) is 14 and with the spacer has to be at least 16.

[oldguy00]

Just don't run the large cone spacer for the Lemond. The Cervelo on a 54 ( which is a size under the Lemond L) is 14 and with the spacer has to be at least 16.

I wonder if there is a standover measurement for the medium lemond? Thinking I would end up with the ISP cut down to a silly looking height! :)

[Keith A]

oldguy00 -- I don't know how much the new geometry has changed compared to the VXR(S), but I have a medium VXR and could measure the standover for you if you are interested.

[oldguy00]

Thanks!

[R2D2]

I wonder if there is a standover measurement for the medium lemond? Thinking I would end up with the ISP cut down to a silly looking height! :)

I came from the "handful" of seat post era..... And back then some of us sized up to get a longer top tube which could make from some short looking post.

[Keith A]

Thanks!Will do...however I won't have access to this until the end of the week.

[wildboar]

I wonder if there is a standover measurement for the medium lemond? Thinking I would end up with the ISP cut down to a silly looking height! :)


What is your saddle height?
These newer medium frames are actually 1cm shorter in the seat tube than the older VXR sizes. New ones are 50cm vs 51cm.

[Oregonic]

What I would do for a Time manufactured Lemond Poprad. One can dream....

I second that!

[oldguy00]

What is your saddle height?
These newer medium frames are actually 1cm shorter in the seat tube than the older VXR sizes. New ones are 50cm vs 51cm.
Just over 73cm, from center of BB to top of saddle, measured along the seat tube.
cheers

[wildboar]

My medium VXRS has a standover height between 79-80cm along the sloping top. The seat height is just over 72cm and the seat mast looks fine.

[oldguy00]

My medium VXRS has a standover height between 79-80cm along the sloping top. The seat height is just over 72cm and the seat mast looks fine.

Any chance you could post a pic?

Thx!

[Keith A]

Here's my medium VXR with a 73/73.5 center of bottom bracket to top of saddle.

http://forums.thepaceline.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=38532&stc=1&d=1202770484

[wildboar]

http://ft.trillian.im/wildboarz/1380672639515140-nXuTs5S5.jpg

[sales guy]

Hey! I have one of those. I was curious what the red hoods would look like. I just got a set and haven't put them on yet. I switched to red campy housing too. Happy with that on so far. So I think I might be on the red hoods.

[Keith A]

Here's what appears to be production frames...note the different logo on the DT.

https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395127_10151749103588494_854234763_n.jpg

[sales guy]

UGH!!!! That new logo is worse than the original one on the show bikes!

[sales guy]

According to his post with these fork, the logo is BEFORE the change to the current one, the one from the show.

Thank goodness!!!

[RedRider]

For 2013/14, LeMond is offering the limited edition frames in 3 versions (each of his TdF wins) of 100. So only 300 frames at $4500. From what I have seen the frames are essentially a Time NSX with a ZXRS rear end. Time frames are pretty awesome and it was probably a way to get a new LeMond model out for this year. For 2015 or sooner, expect to see a full line of unique LeMond models manufactures by Time.

[enr1co]

Here's what appears to be production frames...note the different logo on the DT.

https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395127_10151749103588494_854234763_n.jpg

Logo looks OK- better than the cursive logo from the initial pics that was a carryover from the Trek Lemonds... Better to distance the brand away from Trek as much as possible.

[ultraman6970]

Hope nothing happens and the brand doesnt get dumped by Nth-time.

[wildboar]

Hope nothing happens and the brand doesnt get dumped by Nth-time.

What does this even mean?

[ultraman6970]

It means exactly what i'm saying, the road bike division company restarted like twice before the trek times, then trek times, then time times. To put it in another words, hope this time the brand doesn't get dumped by TIME this, time.

A lot of people doesn't know about that lemond had rough times at the beginning, the company went bankrupt after a couple after starting, then kind'a started again, thats why there's no consistency between all the steel stuff made before the trek times. You have stuff with chromed, other ones not, you have some stuff that doesnt have logos, etc etc.... so i really hope the brand stay longer in business this time.

[wildboar]

That is a fantastic rendition of reality courtesy of the last 8 years of the pharmstrong PR bash campaign against LeMond.

In the beginning, everyone knows Bob was in charge. Greg was still doing things like riding 20,000 miles a year on his bike.
1991: LeMond Alpe d'Huez.
Carbonframes filled a big purchase order from international cycling champion Greg LeMond who wanted 18 frames for Team Z. Carbonframes relocated to Reno after entering an exclusive licensing agreement with LeMond Bicycles. LeMond rode in the leader's yellow jersey on his Carbonframe. Craig got his 15 minutes of fame with coverage on CNN, the Associated Press news network and National Public Radio. The companies parted amiably two years later.

"the company eventually faltered, something LeMond blamed on "under-capitalization" and poor management by his father. Carbonframes and LeMond Cycles "parted amiably two years later."

Della Santa builds 150-300 frames at some point early on. 1992-1993 Bilatto Bros and Litespeed ti, then Clark Kent ti in 1994 until Clark Kent out of business.

Now the company is nearing bankruptcy but never actually goes bankrupt. 1995 signs with Trek. Bob is not happy and is no longer in the picture. 2008 Trek "dumps" Greg for speaking the truth about their cash cow superstar.

There was no dumping by companies or bankruptcy, early LeMond frames were simply contracted with builders just like everyone else in the industry does.

[RedRider]

It's been reported that Greg LeMond has purchased Time Sport USA, which is the US distributor for Time products. It will be more difficult to "dump" him.

[ultraman6970]

Did not now this, good move.

It's been reported that Greg LeMond has purchased Time Sport USA, which is the US distributor for Time products. It will be more difficult to "dump" him.

[FlashUNC]

Della Santa builds 150-300 frames at some point early on. 1992-1993 Bilatto Bros and Litespeed ti, then Clark Kent ti in 1994 until Clark Kent out of business.
.

My guess, given the DS-built LeMond I've got, is Roland did that work pre-1990 or so. Mine is 126 rear spacing with logos that don't note his 1989 Worlds or Tour wins in 1989 and 1990. When I got a custom from Roland earlier this year, he mentioned that he was building about 90 bikes a year under the LeMond brand at the time.

[wildboar]

LeMond will handbuild your bike:

https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395838_10151745583333494_840363306_n.jpg

[sales guy]

Based on this pic, it looks like the frames are beings painted in the USA. Unless this is an old pic where Greg was doing design work figuring out the pattern and whatnot.