Fork Crown Cable hanger issue?

[druptight]

I hadn't really thought this through until I was just trying to build the bike up. This is going to be a problem isn't it? I am trying to use a fork mounted cable hanger with head tube attached cable stops. I hadn't occurred to me until I'm trying to run cables that I won't be able to turn the fork past about maybe 15 to 20 degrees in either direction without it hitting the cables housings feeding the cable into the stops. See pics:

Wheel Straight-ish:
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb465/druptight/2013-06-19223608.jpg (http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/druptight/media/2013-06-19223608.jpg.html)

Wheel turned:
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb465/druptight/2013-06-19223649.jpg (http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/druptight/media/2013-06-19223649.jpg.html)

Will this be as big a problem as I forsee? This is my commuter so I do need to be able to turn the wheel fairly far while going slow in traffic, etc. Is there a way around this I'm not imagining or do I have to go to a headset spacer style hanger?

Thanks in advance,

Jonathan

[pinkshogun]

could always use a downtube mounted clamp-on cable stop if you must use the fork mounted stop

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ca6.htm

[druptight]

There's no reason I NEED to use a fork mounted one, I just find them more elegant. Aside from, you know, the problem mentioned above. Using a downtube mounted set of stops would sort of ruin the look of the frame I just built myself.

[ultraman6970]

Simple, wont look too fancy but it will work ok?

Put a longer bolt and add more spacers to put the hanger thingy out a little bit.

[druptight]

Simple, wont look too fancy but it will work ok?

Put a longer bolt and add more spacers to put the hanger thingy out a little bit.

Yeah, I thought of this, but it wouldn't really alleviate the problem. I'm using ultegra 9 speed shifters with the cables coming out the sides. So they really have to cross in front of this hanger - and even if it's further out, I think I've still got the same problem.

[oldpotatoe]

Get some mini Vs..Tektro 926 are like $20 per end or TRP 8.4/9.0 if ya want blingo-

and bob's yer uncle

[druptight]

Get some mini Vs..Tektro 926 are like $20 per end or TRP 8.4/9.0 if ya want blingo-

and bob's yer uncle


So if I went this route, it eliminates the need for the hanger all together right? Wonder if it would allow for fender clearance with 28's and PB Cascadia fenders I've got. Do they stop pretty well compared to cantis? This is really my first foray into non-caliper territory.

[oldpotatoe]

So if I went this route, it eliminates the need for the hanger all together right? Wonder if it would allow for fender clearance with 28's and PB Cascadia fenders I've got. Do they stop pretty well compared to cantis? This is really my first foray into non-caliper territory.

That is correct. V brakes are just side pull brakes..with longer arms. Housing goes from brake lever to brake..no cable stops needed.

Arms are shorter for road levers, fender clearance 'may' be an issue, it depends on you set up. For that fork, I'm betting the fender is pretty close to the tire-so probably not. V's stop light years better than cantis.

[ColonelJLloyd]

What brake levers are you using? The TRP CX8.4 is the only one I'm aware of that works with Ergos. I chose to go this route instead of using a seatpost mounted hanger on the rear.

[shovelhd]

It's the adjuster, not the stop, that hits the hanger, right? Why not just remove the adjusters. Put a stainless or Ti button head screw in there if you are worried about aesthetics.

[christian]

The TRP CX8.4 is the only one I'm aware of that works with Ergos.Any 80mm or 85mm mini-v will work with Campagnolo. 90mm mini-vs won't.

[christian]

It's the adjuster, not the stop, that hits the hanger, right? Why not just remove the adjusters. Put a stainless or Ti button head screw in there if you are worried about aesthetics.

He's still got to route his cables. With side-exit Shimano shifters, he's going to have to deal with a rat's next of cables somehow.

[druptight]

He's still got to route his cables. With side-exit Shimano shifters, he's going to have to deal with a rat's next of cables somehow.

Exactly. I was in the process of running everything and realized as I turned the fork that it was running into the adjusters BEFORE I put in cable housings for the shifters. Didn't foresee this problem when planning everything out.

The brakes I bought are the Tektro CR720's. Since I have all the pieces, for now I may just go with the headset spacer (I'm already using 20mm below the stem, so I can just replace on of the 10's with a hanger) and see how I like the braking. I can always switch to the mini v's down the road.

Here she is pre-paint: http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb465/druptight/2013-04-05211115.jpg (http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/druptight/media/2013-04-05211115.jpg.html)

And post:

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb465/druptight/2013-06-16145657.jpg (http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/druptight/media/2013-06-16145657.jpg.html)

Painted it up myself using House of Kolor auto paint aerosol cans that I had made and shipped, and spraymax 2k etching primer & 2k high gloss urethane.

Fork is a surly cross check, as you can buy them in the 1" threadless variety.

[donevwil]

Mini-V's will resolve a lot of setup aggravation and ultimately work better than canti's. You may want to try crossing the derailleur cables under the downtube, left shifter cable to right-side barrel adjuster and right shifter to left adjuster. This really cleans up cable routing with side-exit Shimano shifters on frames that can accommodate and it looks like yours does.

[oldpotatoe]

Any 80mm or 85mm mini-v will work with Campagnolo. 90mm mini-vs won't.

Altho not optimum, they do 'work'..just not as well as those 6mm shorter.

[tuscanyswe]

What brake levers are you using? The TRP CX8.4 is the only one I'm aware of that works with Ergos. I chose to go this route instead of using a seatpost mounted hanger on the rear.

I use tektros mini-vs with my ergos. I have to say they are a great improvement over any cantis i ever had. Not alot of clearance but not really an issue for me. They are super cheap as well.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7351/8970601131_fb8e158889_b.jpg


Id definetly go the mini v route with that bike. My poprad i used to have had the same issue with headtube mounted cable stops and canti combination. Going with a steerer mounted cable hanger wont really fix that issue so mini-v seem especially great for bikes with this issue.

[ColonelJLloyd]

Any 80mm or 85mm mini-v will work with Campagnolo. 90mm mini-vs won't.

When I was looking into it I read a lot of comments from people who weren't happy with the the 80mm or 85mm mini-Vs with Ergos. Good to know they'll work.

I will say that I'm a cantilever fan and don't even mind setting them up. But, the CX8.4 mini-Vs are a different animal. The first ride I took with them I nearly did an endo, but thankfully my front wheel skid. They are powerful brakes!

[druptight]

Mini-V's will resolve a lot of setup aggravation and ultimately work better than canti's. You may want to try crossing the derailleur cables under the downtube, left shifter cable to right-side barrel adjuster and right shifter to left adjuster. This really cleans up cable routing with side-exit Shimano shifters on frames that can accommodate and it looks like yours does.

I'm picking up a 1" threadless cable hanger today (they are HARD to find locally, finally found one at Belmont Wheelworks), and will try the cantis for a while first. I am definitely going to try crossing the cables underneath as I think it will make for cleaner routing up front around the brake cable coming down from the headset area - thanks for the suggestion.

[GRAVELBIKE]

Ergopower levers work really well with 80mm or 85mm mini-v's. You may not have as much rim/pad clearance compared to canti's, but the improved stopping power is well worth it, IMO.

[mandasol]

When I was looking into it I read a lot of comments from people who weren't happy with the the 80mm or 85mm mini-Vs with Ergos. Good to know they'll work.

I will say that I'm a cantilever fan and don't even mind setting them up. But, the CX8.4 mini-Vs are a different animal. The first ride I took with them I nearly did an endo, but thankfully my front wheel skid. They are powerful brakes!

I put CX8.4's on my cross bike and nearly did and endo myself. I found the TRP pads to be way too grabby and offered little to no modulation and induced fork shudder. I replaced them with koolstop salmon pads and they are worlds better now.