Bedford's latest . . .

[BumbleBeeDave]

Shot some pics for Kelly last week. They came out pretty well.

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=123795

BBD

[93legendti]

I think it looks great. Reminds me of my first Ottrott.

[TPetsch]

Good looking bike!

On the other hand, you need a better camera.

[Climb01742]

to echo others...simple, elegant, substance is its style, desirable. well done.

[oldpotatoe]

I think it looks great. Reminds me of my first Ottrott.

wellll

Pricing? Not on the website.

[93legendti]

wellll

Pricing? Not on the website.

I don't work for Bedford! I merely commented on how it looked....;)

[oldpotatoe]

I don't work for Bedford! I merely commented on how it looked....;)

Well, I know! just thought 'somebody' would know the pricing..ya know, a general, 'pricing?, not on website', type question. Not a PM. just a question.

[RedRider]

I've heard this Bedford custom frameset will be about $5K

[93legendti]

Yo BBD, can ya ask Kelly "how much", please?

[BumbleBeeDave]

. . to go ahead and post these photos. He anticipated they would generate some questions and said he would give it a day or two and then check in to answer.

I don't know how many of these composite frames he has made so far--this might be the first. So it's possible he may still be working out pricing.

BBD

[Ahneida Ride]

I think it is right around 5K private central bank shopping coupons.

[reggiebaseball]

K Bedford and Firefly, on the cutting edge with mixed material frames.

[Adam]

Don't forget Ottrott SE and Seven 622 SLX!

[Smiley]

I think Kelly has not set the final pricing but IF I had to bet it would be around $4600-4700. The add on's are for BB 30 and up charge for over sized head tube with Enve Tapered fork or if you wanted to go to an Enve 1.0 versus the stock 2.0 fork. Thos charges would make the frame around 5k .

Picture this same frame but with Ti lugs and carbon tubes...... this is my future bike, cause I can be different :)

[mcteague]

K Bedford and Firefly, on the cutting edge with mixed material frames.

Really? What have they done that Serotta and Seven have not?

Tim

[zap]

p charge for over sized head tube with Enve Tapered fork

Picture this same frame but with Ti lugs and carbon tubes...... this is my future bike, cause I can be different :)

Cool frameset.

:) buddy, u r different no matter what. :banana:

Anyhow, still offering oversized ht hmmmm. Who needs that? Andre The Giant......if he still lived and cycled....

[Steevo]

Beautiful bike and nice pics. BBD, that looks like a fun photo shoot.:banana:

[K Bedford]

Sorry there's no pricing on the website yet. The frame and fork as pictured, polished Ti or with full paint is 4995.00.
Carbon is tubes are being done By Rockwest Composites in Utah.
K

[pdmtong]

Really? What have they done that Serotta and Seven have not?

Tim

perhaps not cutting edge, but certainly 2013: 44mm inset, PF30.

the close ups are nice, but the whole bike by the stream looks like it was taken with a 2005 cellphone

[BumbleBeeDave]

perhaps not cutting edge, but certainly 2013: 44mm inset, PF30.

the close ups are nice, but the whole bike by the stream looks like it was taken with a 2005 cellphone

. . . it doesn't meet your standards. Fortunately, the client seems happy with them. Next time I'll bring along my digital Hassie. :)

BBD

[pdmtong]

. . . it doesn't meet your standards. Fortunately, the client seems happy with them. Next time I'll bring along my digital Hassie. :)

BBD

I recall your battenkill (I think) shots. No doubt you have skills. Since Kelly is the beholder.....

[Ahneida Ride]

Kelly may be the only guy out there that builds in all materials (except full carbon)

Lugged Steel
Tig Steel
Lugged Stainless
Tig Stainless
Ti
Ti carbon
Stainless carbon

and all styles of bikes:
snow
mountain
race
track
touring

[pdmtong]

Kelly may be the only guy out there that builds in all materials (except full carbon)

Lugged Steel
Tig Steel
Lugged Stainless
Tig Stainless
Ti
Ti carbon
Stainless carbon

and all styles of bikes:
snow
mountain
race
track
touring

this thought had occured to me as well. his mastery is pretty astounding.

[fuzzalow]

Titanium welds for a builder leaves a builder no place to hide behind fancy paint or the corralling influence of a lug. Like drawing freehand curves at arms length with a Pilot 0.5mm pen; singing acapella; standing naked in Macy's window. Something like that.

I could go for pics of this bike taken with a digital Hasselblad. (LOL choose between a car and a camera' whats it gonna be?) Whoa.

[palincss]

Kelly may be the only guy out there that builds in all materials (except full carbon)

Lugged Steel
Tig Steel
Lugged Stainless
Tig Stainless
Ti
Ti carbon
Stainless carbon


Clearly no love for aluminum here!

[BumbleBeeDave]

I don't have a digital Hassie.

It's a 12mb file and they all look pretty darn good on my screen. Not sure what the problem is but Kelly loves them and it's him I'm trying to please.

After seeing all Kelly has done over the years I'm convinced he could build a masterpiece out of raw spaghetti and Elmer's glue if you asked him to.

BBD

[Nooch]

I don't have a digital Hassie.

It's a 12mb file and they all look pretty darn good on my screen. Not sure what the problem is but Kelly loves them and it's him I'm trying to please.

After seeing all Kelly has done over the years I'm convinced he could build a masterpiece out of raw spaghetti and Elmer's glue if you asked him to.

BBD

I don't know about spaghetti -- a little sweat would turn it into a wet noodle!

budump-bump.

I'll be here all week, folks!

[reggiebaseball]

I don't have a digital Hassie.

It's a 12mb file and they all look pretty darn good on my screen. Not sure what the problem is but Kelly loves them and it's him I'm trying to please.

After seeing all Kelly has done over the years I'm convinced he could build a masterpiece out of raw spaghetti and Elmer's glue if you asked him to.

BBD

your close up photos look excellent and sharp.
However, the wide shots, like those at the river - your lens has missed the plane of focus. You can see how sharp the grass by the rear wheel is, but I cannot read the logos on the Enve fork or Zipps wheels which are big. The rocky ground foreground is perfectly resolved, but I cannot read the KBedford logo on the bike. This would be called back focus (or actually front focus in your case I think, but usually the phenomenon is called back-focus)

Or maybe you focused on the rocky ground because the contrast of the bike is hard to pick out when back lit- well that can cause front focus because the ground is in front of the actual subject, the bike which is different than where the font wheel hits the ground (depending on your aperture)

Sometimes your lens can be a little off, not even across the frame but on one side.

I would guess the wide shots are with a different lens at a different aperture, and certainly at a different focus range (medium/far as opposed to close up), and some element in that mix (along with blown highlights from shooting under the sun) is making your shots slightly out of focus.

You could try standing closer and stopping down more, a different lens.
You could take the already shot full size images and heavily sharpen your edges and down size them and get them to look fine for the internet.

However, for them to be this small here and still not razor sharp means something is off.

Use a close up target and a mid range target and check your camera and lenses for back focus. Use a newspaper at 8 feet lying on a table and you standing up so the picture is at an angle. Yo uwant to focus on a specific part of a line of text and see if the letter you want is in focus, or if a preceeding letter is sharper (front focus), or a letter later in the line is sharpest (back focus) and again at 30 feet you can use staggered objects - like a few beer cans label forward- at staggered distances like 28.5-29-29.5-30' then stand so they are visually in a line and shoot the can inthe middle, and see where the sharpest label is, take test shots at different apertures, then look at them at 100%


Finally, if you are attaching them, maybe the forum software is changing the size and making them fuzzy (though your close ups look sharp).

[SteveFrench]

Bumblebeedave, were those shots taken behind the Cottrell paper mill?

[BumbleBeeDave]

And here all this time I thought it was just because this is only an 800px file that I uploaded and those logos are only a few pixels wide on your screen. It's tack in the original 12mb file.

It IS a really nice bike . . .

BBD

your close up photos look excellent and sharp.
However, the wide shots, like those at the river - your lens has missed the plane of focus. You can see how sharp the grass by the rear wheel is, but I cannot read the logos on the Enve fork or Zipps wheels which are big. The rocky ground foreground is perfectly resolved, but I cannot read the KBedford logo on the bike. This would be called back focus (or actually front focus in your case I think, but usually the phenomenon is called back-focus)

Or maybe you focused on the rocky ground because the contrast of the bike is hard to pick out when back lit- well that can cause front focus because the ground is in front of the actual subject, the bike which is different than where the font wheel hits the ground (depending on your aperture)

Sometimes your lens can be a little off, not even across the frame but on one side.

I would guess the wide shots are with a different lens at a different aperture, and certainly at a different focus range (medium/far as opposed to close up), and some element in that mix (along with blown highlights from shooting under the sun) is making your shots slightly out of focus.

You could try standing closer and stopping down more, a different lens.
You could take the already shot full size images and heavily sharpen your edges and down size them and get them to look fine for the internet.

However, for them to be this small here and still not razor sharp means something is off.

Use a close up target and a mid range target and check your camera and lenses for back focus. Use a newspaper at 8 feet lying on a table and you standing up so the picture is at an angle. Yo uwant to focus on a specific part of a line of text and see if the letter you want is in focus, or if a preceeding letter is sharper (front focus), or a letter later in the line is sharpest (back focus) and again at 30 feet you can use staggered objects - like a few beer cans label forward- at staggered distances like 28.5-29-29.5-30' then stand so they are visually in a line and shoot the can inthe middle, and see where the sharpest label is, take test shots at different apertures, then look at them at 100%


Finally, if you are attaching them, maybe the forum software is changing the size and making them fuzzy (though your close ups look sharp).

[BumbleBeeDave]

Bumblebeedave, were those shots taken behind the Cottrell paper mill?

. . . of some sort fo buildings on the far bank, But I had not been to that spot before, so I'm not sure.

BBD

[SteveFrench]

. . . of some sort fo buildings on the far bank, But I had not been to that spot before, so I'm not sure.

BBD

Thanks for letting me know. It's good to see some pictures there. I live just up the road about a mile.