TA Carmina Crank report (first impressions)

[Ahneida Ride]

I replace the TA Zephyr on my Bedford with a TA Carmina

The Zephyr is going back home on the Legend .....

Rings are 48/36/22 same as the Zephyr ...
Drive train is 2002 Campy Record Triple with a 13-29 Cassette.

Shifting is spot on flawless. and my shoes do not rub against the crank arms.

The Carmina gets 5 dancing Bananas :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp

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[wooly]

Nice to hear. I've been thinking of getting a new Athena 11 speed allow group but using the Carmina crank with a similar ring choice. Do you think the Athena fd will work with the Carmina?

[witcombusa]

but the Zephyr is much better to look at.....;)

[Ahneida Ride]

Nice to hear. I've been thinking of getting a new Athena 11 speed allow group but using the Carmina crank with a similar ring choice. Do you think the Athena fd will work with the Carmina?

Not sure if the ring work with Campy 11 speed ...

the rings say 9 speed, but they work perfectly with 10 speed

11 speed ????? call Peter White and ask him ...

[Ahneida Ride]

but the Zephyr is much better to look at.....;)

better yes ..... much better ??? ..... that is debatable...

I'll post pictures of the before and after.

The Carmina shifts significantly better .... and my shoes do not rub
against the crank.


I have the older original version of the Carmina.

Why is TA the only manufacture to let the rider to pick his rings ?

[tv_vt]

Bottom bracket is..... what?

Thanks,

T

[Ahneida Ride]

Bottom bracket is..... what?

Thanks,

T

Phil Wood .... For my triple I used a JIS Phil 113 mm axle


------------------- From Peter White Site ....


The Carmina has a JIS square taper connection to the bottom bracket. That means it doesn't work with either recent Campagnolo bottom brackets or the old Campy axles from the sixties and seventies. Nor is it compatible with any current Dura Ace, Ultegra, XT, XTR and most other Shimano bottom brackets with the bizarre splines, or the newest Hollowtech II bottom brackets. If you have any sort of Campagnolo or recent Shimano crankset and want to change to this TA crank, you will need a new bottom bracket. I prefer the Phil Wood.

Due to a production change TA made in 2006, the Carmina can use different length axles. The original Carmina uses a 113mm axle for a triple in a frame with a 1 1/8" seat tube. You can tell the original Carmina by looking at the back side of the crank. If it's polished in the recessed section of the arm, it's the original version. If the recessed section has a grey finish and appears to be sandblasted, you have the later version. The later version requires an axle that's about 6mm longer. So a triple on a traditional steel frame with 1 1/8" seat tube would use a 119mm axle. See below for more information about BB axle length.

[palincss]

Why is TA the only manufacture to let the rider to pick his rings ?

You can pick your rings with the Rene Herse crank, too.
http://www.compasscycle.com/cranks_bb.html

[merckx]

What is the Q for the Carmina triple with a 113mm bb spindle?

[weiwentg]

What is the Q for the Carmina triple with a 113mm bb spindle?

Peter White's page (link above) says it's 156mm for both the old crank and the new crank. I'm not able to verify, obviously, but he does have a number of these cranks, so I'd probably trust his numbers (I mean, where else would you check?).

[merckx]

Peter White's page (link above) says it's 156mm for both the old crank and the new crank. I'm not able to verify, obviously, but he does have a number of these cranks, so I'd probably trust his numbers (I mean, where else would you check?).

Where else would I check? I'd ask a Paceline member who owns a Carmina triple crankset to measure them. I have a Record triple with a 111mm asymmetric bb that I measured at 163mm Q.

[Ahneida Ride]

What is the Q for the Carmina triple with a 113mm bb spindle?

Sorry don't know ..

But my IQ is about 70 ...

[Ken Robb]

Sorry don't know ..

But my IQ is about 70 ...

On each lobe. :)

[Ahneida Ride]

I'll ask Kelly Bedford to measure the Q factor .. :banana:

[PacNW2Ford]

I get ~160mm for the first-gen version on a 116mm Phil Wood BB, so I would say Peter White's numbers are PDC.

[hokoman]

that is a pretty darn expensive crankset after it's all put together....