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Louis
05-02-2013, 04:34 PM
Link to NYT story (http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2013/05/02/business/02reuters-usa-bikeshare-weight.html?smid=pl-share)

New Yorkers Get Heavy on Bike Share Weight Limit
By REUTERS

NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York City's upcoming public bike share program, Citibike, has already irked parking space seekers, food cart vendors and locals who resent seeing a Citibank sponsor logo on nearly every block.

Now, heavier New Yorkers can be added to the list.

According to the program's user contract, riders "must not exceed the maximum weight limit" of 260 pounds (120 kg) if they wish to sign up for the short-term bike rentals that will soon be available on city streets.

"These technical specs are established by the equipment manufacturer and are the same as other bike share cities around the world," said Seth Solomonow, a spokesman for the New York City Department of Transportation, which oversees the program that is funded by Citibank.

The bike program, slated to launch later this Spring, will make several thousand bicycles available throughout the city for cyclists who sign up for yearly, weekly, or daily passes. The bikes can be picked up and dropped off at different docking stations during the course of a day and are meant to provide an alternative to traveling by subway, bus, or car.

The city has no way of enforcing the weight limit, and Solomonow said that he and his department "expect people will use the bikes safely."

New York City residents Amanda Wotton, 26, and Anthony Laporta, 31, said the policy is not fair.

"The city should provide different types of bikes so everyone can participate," said Laporta, a computer technician with a slender build who was enjoying a salad lunch in the park outside the New York Public Library. "Otherwise, someone's definitely going to feel left out."

Wotton, an average-size woman who works as a graphic designer, observed that 260 pounds "isn't even that much -- there are probably big muscular guys and NFL players that would be barred from cycling."

Groups advocating for the rights of obese and overweight people also criticized Citibike's terms of service. James Zervios, a spokesman for the Obesity Action Coalition, called the policy discriminatory.

csm
05-02-2013, 07:22 PM
My guess is anyone weighing that much won't be in line to rent or join anyway. Sorta related... I saw reported somewhere that the mayor was refused a second slice of pizza at a shop somewhere in the city....


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avalonracing
05-02-2013, 08:17 PM
My guess is anyone weighing that much won't be in line to rent or join anyway. Sorta related... I saw reported somewhere that the mayor was refused a second slice of pizza at a shop somewhere in the city....


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Boy, that pizza shop owner sure "showed" the Mayor (a well-respected billionaire) a thing or two... I doubt Bloomberg lost much sleep over that one.

pbarry
05-02-2013, 08:48 PM
The bike share program in Boulder uses Trek branded steel utility bikes that weigh 45lbs. Three speed internal rear hub, front drum brake, welded steel racks, beefy wheels. I'd put their maximum bike+rider+cargo capacity at 400lbs., easy. The 260 weight limit sounds like an insurance rider to me.

BumbleBeeDave
05-02-2013, 09:16 PM
. . . that anyone would feel "left out."

BBD

rustychisel
05-02-2013, 09:32 PM
"Wotton, an average-size woman who works as a graphic designer, observed that 260 pounds "isn't even that much -- there are probably big muscular guys and NFL players that would be barred from cycling."

And she's probably right, but suggesting that an average human approaching 250~260lb is not obese...

avalonracing
05-02-2013, 10:01 PM
And she's probably right, but suggesting that an average human approaching 250~260lb is not obese...

Yup, just because it is Average doesn't make it right.

Louis
05-02-2013, 10:18 PM
So exactly how many standard deviations away from the mean do these bikes have to accomodate? 4 sigma? That's about 1 in 16,000 people. 5 sigma? 1 in 1.7 million, 6 sigma? 1 in 507 million.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Standard_deviation_diagram.svg/400px-Standard_deviation_diagram.svg.png

BumbleBeeDave
05-03-2013, 05:53 AM
. . . combined with political correctness, those 2 or 3 out of three millions can whine and moan and create quite a stink. Combine that with media that always plays up controversy in order to drive readership and any minor complaint can be blown up into major "discrimination."

BBD



So exactly how many standard deviations away from the mean do these bikes have to accomodate? 4 sigma? That's about 1 in 16,000 people. 5 sigma? 1 in 1.7 million, 6 sigma? 1 in 507 million.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Standard_deviation_diagram.svg/400px-Standard_deviation_diagram.svg.png

torquer
05-03-2013, 01:22 PM
My guess is anyone weighing that much won't be in line to rent or join anyway. Sorta related... I saw reported somewhere that the mayor was refused a second slice of pizza at a shop somewhere in the city....
Report was "Onion-esque."
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/05/drudge-report-daily-current-bloomberg-pizza/64846/
Too bad, 'cause I was going to speculate if it was one of those dollar-a-slice joints. (Two slices plus soda for $2.50!) Even a bazillionaire like the mayor loves a bargain.
But your "guess" about folks affected by this limit being more likely to line up for pizza than for these bikes is both correct, and sad.

MattTuck
05-03-2013, 01:24 PM
So exactly how many standard deviations away from the mean do these bikes have to accomodate? 4 sigma? That's about 1 in 16,000 people. 5 sigma? 1 in 1.7 million, 6 sigma? 1 in 507 million.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Standard_deviation_diagram.svg/400px-Standard_deviation_diagram.svg.png

Louis, you make me smile. :)