Frame repaint [Archive] - The Paceline Forum

Ken Robb

11-29-2005, 01:43 PM

there must be a bazillion answers in the archives but: Nobody paints better than Joe Bell and he has a good website w/pix of start-to-finish. He can get any decals you want.

Serotta does very nice paint jobs.

Waterford did a very nice restoration paint job for a pal on a 30 year-old Paramount.

I think you are looking at $400-$600 for a first rate job depending on how tricky/complex you want to make it. Multi-colors, complex masking, harlequin effects, flames, etc. all cost extra in most cases.

CJV

11-29-2005, 01:48 PM

I had my Merckx painted by Spectrum in Colorado Springs (check on Google). Cannot recall the price but my job was a simple, single-color. I obtained the decals from Gita Sport. Three hundred dollars seems to ring in my dim brain. Good luck.

CJV

P.S. Use the Search engine on this site; I'm sure you'll find numerous postings on paint jobs.

manet

11-29-2005, 03:21 PM

peter weigle repainted my 80's nova, from a weird emerald green to pearl white. added a couple of braze-ons, new decals, and installed new headset.

this was a few years ago, so maybe he quit the grind and is driving
an old-folks home across country, working on his retirement gut.

djg

11-29-2005, 03:29 PM

I know that Serotta can do a very find job and I don't doubt that the "famous" (within relevant circles) frame painters do splendid work that is worth every penny. But there is considerable middle ground between Joe Bell and the rattle can.

I had a CSi repainted by a Michigan frame-builder named Matt Assenmacher (or his painter). He did a nice professional looking job at a very reasonable price. I think that I paid somewhere around 275 bucks, including return shipping, to paint a frame and fork, including: examination and preparation of the frame, hand sanding of the fork (a new reynolds ouzo pro fork), matching main color of the frame and fork, contrasting color on the head tube (between the lugs) and a panel matching the head tube, application of Serotta decals, and clear coat. It's really pretty nice. I'd use him again.

I can see saying "to heck with the cost" at certain times; and I can also see regarding top-dollar jobs as a good value. But lots of us have an old frame or so that we'd like painted for less than 4, or 5, or 6 hundred bucks. I received a nice professional looking paint job for what I considered a very reasonable sum--a single color would have cost less still.

William

11-29-2005, 03:30 PM

http://www.bicycletest.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/201-Brian.jpg

Handmade (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bicycletest.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/201-Brian.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bicycletest.com/absolutenm/templates/bt.asp%3Farticleid%3D201%26zoneid%3D24&h=464&w=600&sz=74&tbnid=fVf4Pm6Sj8QJ:&tbnh=102&tbnw=133&hl=en&start=12&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpaint%2Bbike%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%2 6lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG)

zank

11-29-2005, 03:36 PM

zank

11-29-2005, 03:39 PM

Roy, if you want another local option, how about Hot Tubes?

William

11-29-2005, 03:40 PM

The link for Mr. Bayliss is http://www.vintagecyclestudios.com/

Thank you Mr. Z :cool:

zank

11-29-2005, 03:43 PM

my pleaure, sir.

DfCas

11-29-2005, 03:56 PM

I had a cross frame stripped and painted by "The color factory" in New freakin' jersey for a little under $200 for frame and fork,including clear.Job was better than expected,but not top shelf.

dan

Smiley

11-29-2005, 04:21 PM

I second the color factory , they painted my Kogs , good and cheap not Gucci Roy , just what you like :)

kestrel

11-29-2005, 04:44 PM

Ask Rad, he'll give you a great reference for a frame painter. ;)

mike p

11-29-2005, 05:20 PM

I've had two frames painted. One single color with factory decals supplied by painter (can't remember the painters name) cost around 200. Ok job but if you were really looking you could find faults. Then a three color job with out of print decals I couldn't get a hold of anywhere done by JB. Cost around 600. Paint job was perfect or better and JB was a pleasure to work with. It is very nice to work with someone competent enough that you dont have to spell out every detail and the job still comes out perfect. I believe if JB were doing a simple one colour job price would be quite reasonable.

Roy E. Munson

11-29-2005, 05:34 PM

Nice pic William, is that from the ugliest bike in the world contest?

Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone.

e-RICHIE

11-29-2005, 05:37 PM

gratuitous self-indulgent post on behalf
of e-RICHIE and dave kirk-issimo...

don't youse be logjamming up the paint shop, eh!

hey - thanks for reading.
e-RICHIE��

Jeff N.

11-29-2005, 06:02 PM

JB (re)painted a heavily-used Griffen Classic B4C frame gloss black for me. Around $475 got it done, including fork. Perfectamundo in every way. Decals buried under clear coat...you can't even feel 'em when running your finger over them. Joe Bell. There really is no other way to go, IMO. Jeff N.

Fixed

11-29-2005, 06:07 PM

Nice pic William, is that from the ugliest bike in the world contest?

Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone. bro by col sanders i.m.h.o. cheers :beer:

Brian Smith

11-29-2005, 06:44 PM

bro by col sanders i.m.h.o. cheers :beer:
Bayliss rides fixed, bro, creates/carves a mean lug.
I don't know of anyone else who does what he does, and he probably doesn't want to do just any repaint anyway, but he's an artist nonetheless.
Does look a tad like the colonel though too, ha.

Fixed

11-29-2005, 07:21 PM

bro no disrespect intended I'm sure he 's one cool cat cheers :beer:

Ginger

11-29-2005, 07:56 PM

You know...that tandem is sick...but funny...I kinda like it (former stoker...our tandem on occasion could have been a crime scene, but I refrained...)

http://www.bicycletest.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/201-walker.jpg

William

11-30-2005, 05:03 AM

bro by col sanders i.m.h.o. cheers :beer:

http://www.themediadrome.com/Images/food/colonel_sanders.gif

He doesn't resemble me at-tall. Though my steam boat full of lawyers is checking into copyright infringement anyhow.

Mr Munson,
Be careful. :no: You just might find that your next daily A.M. helping of chicken nuggets, might actually contain chicken "nuggets".....if you catch my meaning sir.

The Colonel

kgrooney

11-30-2005, 01:26 PM

Had my '92 Colorado II repainted last winter at Serotta for $550.00 including all shipping. Single color ( yellow ) w/ black decals. Looks fantastic!!!

jerk

11-30-2005, 02:37 PM

say whatever you will about that bayliss guys potential past military/finger lickin' service, but that bicycle is imho MAD PAINFUL.

jerk

fiamme red

11-30-2005, 02:52 PM

Roy E. Munson

11-30-2005, 02:55 PM

I thought Arby's pioneered Curly Fries, now the Colonel is trying it? :confused:

jerk

11-30-2005, 03:00 PM

The Baylis is a replica of a Hetchins Hellenic with curly stays:

http://www.hetchins.org/403.htm

"The hellenic design was straight, but three odd-balls are known to exist. Two are shown below: a curly hellenic triangle retro-fitted to a Vade Mecum; and a one-off half-curly from 1992. A third curly-hellenic was special ordered in the late 1990s."

it was a stupid ugly gimic in 1932 and it's a stupid ugly gimic in 1982 or whenever that dumb thing was conceived. that bicycle has as much to do with the wonderful, sublimely beautiful racing and audax/sport touring bicycles that are the main topic of conversation here, as a schwinn chopper or an apple crate.....might make you feel all happy and warm and fuzzy...but it doesn't make it a good bike. but to each's own the jerk supposes. some people like'em and high fives to them. plus, the jerk's aesthetic sensibilities are weak and easily wounded.

jerk

jerk

coylifut

11-30-2005, 03:03 PM

it was a stupid ugly gimic in 1932 and it's a stupid ugly gimic in 1982 or whenever that dumb thing was conceived. that bicycle has as much to do with the wonderful, sublimely beautiful racing and audax/sport touring bicycles that are the main topic of conversation here, as a schwinn chopper or an apple crate.....might make you feel all happy and warm and fuzzy...but it doesn't make it a good bike. but to each's own the jerk supposes. some people like'em and high fives to them. plus, the jerk's aesthetic sensibilities are weak and easily wounded.

jerk

jerk

you can put down on any custom builder you wish, just don't take a run at Schwinn choppers.

fiamme red

11-30-2005, 03:09 PM

it was a stupid ugly gimic in 1932 and it's a stupid ugly gimic in 1982 or whenever that dumb thing was conceived. that bicycle has as much to do with the wonderful, sublimely beautiful racing and audax/sport touring bicycles that are the main topic of conversation here, as a schwinn chopper or an apple crate.....might make you feel all happy and warm and fuzzy...but it doesn't make it a good bike. but to each's own the jerk supposes. some people like'em and high fives to them. plus, the jerk's aesthetic sensibilities are weak and easily wounded.

jerk

jerk1) Are GT's with "triple triangle" design bad frames?
2) Are Dave Kirks with "terraplane" seatstays bad frames?

jerk

11-30-2005, 03:14 PM

1) Are GT's with "triple triangle" design bad frames?
2) Are Dave Kirks with "terraplane" seatstays bad frames?

answer to question 1: most of them. some of those lotto frames were adequate race bikes and if its good enough for andrei tchmil its good enough for the jerk....suffice it to say andrei tchmil wouldn't ride that thing to a gay bar.

answer to question 2: the jerk has no idea but is 99% sure they're great. they look well-made, people seem to like'em and they seem to have sound engineering and frame design principles behind them. they look kindofpainful to the jerk, but then again so do chris king headsets and everyone knows they're great. that cluster fock in the picture has nothing to do with either dave's bikes, the tradition dave is coming from or anything else as far as the jerk can tell.

jerk

jerk

11-30-2005, 03:14 PM

you can put down on any custom builder you wish, just don't take a run at Schwinn choppers.

sorry, schwinn choppers rule! (is that better?)

bluesea

11-30-2005, 03:21 PM

The Baylis is a replica of a Hetchins Hellenic with curly stays:

I prefer the curly Hellenistic Period (De Rosa, Pinarello).

davids

11-30-2005, 03:23 PM

sorry, schwinn choppers rule! (is that better?)
Not quite - Raleigh Choppers rule. OK.
http://www.buickriviera.co.uk/images/orchop.jpg

fiamme red

11-30-2005, 03:44 PM

answer to question 1: most of them. some of those lotto frames were adequate race bikes and if its good enough for andrei tchmil its good enough for the jerk....suffice it to say andrei tchmil wouldn't ride that thing to a gay bar.

answer to question 2: the jerk has no idea but is 99% sure they're great. they look well-made, people seem to like'em and they seem to have sound engineering and frame design principles behind them. they look kindofpainful to the jerk, but then again so do chris king headsets and everyone knows they're great. that cluster fock in the picture has nothing to do with either dave's bikes, the tradition dave is coming from or anything else as far as the jerk can tell.

jerkIn my opinion, these are all gimmicks.

What exactly is this tradition that Kirk is part of but not Baylis? Baylis learned his craft at Masi.

bluesea

11-30-2005, 03:48 PM

In my opinion, these are all gimmicks.

Andrei Tchmil or the jerk? :hello:

jerk

11-30-2005, 04:09 PM

In my opinion, these are all gimmicks.

What exactly is this tradition that Kirk is part of but not Baylis? Baylis learned his craft at Masi.

in my opinion they are too.

that monstrosity owes nothing to the italian tradition of frame design. clearly all bayliss brings from masi is the ability to braze; he may as well be making rod iron fences.

if it's anything it's of the english tradition, but more likely fixed had it right.

jerk

William

11-30-2005, 04:27 PM

Not quite - Raleigh Choppers rule. OK.
http://www.buickriviera.co.uk/images/orchop.jpg

I bit it so hard riding a bike of this ilk down a long, steep, dirt and rock strewn hill when I was a kid. Wasn't even my bike, i just wanted to try it and ended up with rubble face. :crap:

William

Brian Smith

11-30-2005, 04:54 PM

they seem to have sound engineering and frame design principles behind them. they look kindofpainful to the jerk, but then again so do chris king headsets and everyone knows they're great. that cluster fock in the picture has nothing to do with either dave's bikes, the tradition dave is coming from or anything else as far as the jerk can tell.

jerk

OK, we all love the Jerk's posts, especially me, but.... :)
the above quote should be taken with about a mile of salt since this man admittedly can admire the likes of this jalopy:
(darned image posting isn't working, click and scroll down)
http://www.colnagonews.com/prova2/team/rabobankteam.htm

Some hoss dudes and dudettes can make 'em work, I know, I know, but we'll have to define some nefarious goals to achieve the description "sound engineering and frame design principles" ;)

Hey, at least Bayliss is coming from a tradition of the SOPWAMTOS........
Check the labels on the boxes of your "Italian tradition" fiberbike these days...
Aw heck, I'm over my head, I ride plenty of jalopies myself, but I don't praise
them beyond their worth, and I don't denigrate someone else's bike frame
aesthetic vision after they go so far to realize it.
He never claimed it was the ultimate racerboy thrashemup throwaway anyway, heck he didn't even post it here.
Ugliest ever....
sheesh....

Big Dan

11-30-2005, 05:36 PM

I have a Tesch S22 painted by Baylis that is pretty sweet...... :D

taz-t

11-30-2005, 05:43 PM

that cluster fock in the picture has nothing to do with either dave's bikes, the tradition dave is coming from or anything else as far as the jerk can tell.

jerk

I'm not one to bow down to Baylis' work - his aethestic sense is far from mine - but I appreciate his skill. That earlier picture is just one example of his current work.

This one is just as recent and I think could almost be 'Jerk Approved' tm. It certainly works for me.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/254123684/254124442aEDolY

- Taz in ATL

Ozz

11-30-2005, 06:12 PM

I look at the bike in question and see it more like a Waterford Crystal Apprentice Bowl....something to show off the the skills required in the craft. Sure it is over the top, but it is supposed to be.

I have no idea if all his bikes look like this or not....

Then again, it does kinda have the aesthetics of a a "customized" Escalade. ;)

coylifut

11-30-2005, 07:42 PM

sorry, schwinn choppers rule! (is that better?)

I'm ok now

Ken Robb

11-30-2005, 08:28 PM

as was stated this was "over-the-top, maybe for some customer. Brian builds and paints show-quality bikes second to none. The folks I know who own them say they are also dandy rides.

GoJavs

11-30-2005, 11:50 PM

I just bought a Tesch 101 with a very sweet JB re-paint on it. Currently looking for some tasty time-correct bits to put on it. I also have a Tesch-made, Bayliss-painted, John Howard. It's paintjob is dang ugly (some funky fade) but the quality of the work looks really good.

So, in my book, you probably can't go wrong with either. Now, if you want to spend quite a bit less, for $50 I do a mean, mean rattlecan job... :cool:

taz-t

12-02-2005, 09:53 PM

in my opinion they are too.

that monstrosity owes nothing to the italian tradition of frame design. clearly all bayliss brings from masi is the ability to braze; he may as well be making rod iron fences.

if it's anything it's of the english tradition, but more likely fixed had it right.

jerk

Apparently the Italian tradition isn't totally immune from these 'gimmicks'.

Taz in ATL