Help: converting 8 speed campy to 10 speed. Calling oldpotatoe!

[jtakeda]

Hi all,

Forgive me for the dumb question, I don't know much about freehubs.

I want to convert my first gen shamals to 10 speed.

Found this on eBay and wanted to verify if this is the right freehub.
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=321118199999&index=0&nav=WATCHING&nid=98728287192

Asked the seller and he said its designed for 12mm axles and will work for any campy post 2008.

I read somewhere else that I should be looking for the freehub with the 12mm axle.

So which is it?

Ps also found this http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=251263079106&index=4&nav=WATCHING&nid=10008734324

[sc53]

The freehub you linked is for 9 speed. I had Campy 8 speed and was told by several LBS wrenches that the hub could not be converted to modern Campy--I had to buy a new hub and build a new wheel. My 8-speed was circa 1996 and it was not compatible with the 9 speed cassettes that followed it, nor with the 10 speeds that came after that. Unless you have some special kind of 8 speed I don't see how you are going to be able to use this freehub device.

[jtakeda]

When I listed them for sale on the forum. A bunch of people told me it was possible. Just not sure what freehub body to buy.

[zmudshark]

I have converted 8 to 9-10s using a Mirage freehub. It looks nothing like your link, so I have no idea if it would work. Ask oldpotatoe.

[CDollarsign]

I think I just saw Fyxo with an 11 speed Shamal, so I think it can be done. Wish I could help you...

[maunahaole]

I have converted 8 to 9-10s using a Mirage freehub. It looks nothing like your link, so I have no idea if it would work. Ask oldpotatoe.

This is my understanding, but I have never done it. There is a small, 1-2 year window of mirage where the 9-11 compatible freehub will swap to the 8 speed hubshell. Spud will know how to ID what year.

[jtakeda]

Glad I didn't just jump the gun and buy a freehub. Sounds like its pretty specific. I will wait for the sage advice of old spud

[buldogge]

Converting 8 to 9/10/11 is simple. I have done at least 1/2 a dozen.

You need an early 9s freehub OR one of the later Mirage freehubs (from the bell shaped hub type).

You may need to change or machine the small spacer behind the free hub.

Search for "Mirage rear hub", usually easiest to buy a complete hub.

-Mark in St. Louis

[oldpotatoe]

Hi all,

Forgive me for the dumb question, I don't know much about freehubs.

I want to convert my first gen shamals to 10 speed.

Found this on eBay and wanted to verify if this is the right freehub.
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=321118199999&index=0&nav=WATCHING&nid=98728287192

Asked the seller and he said its designed for 12mm axles and will work for any campy post 2008.

I read somewhere else that I should be looking for the freehub with the 12mm axle.

So which is it?

Ps also found this http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=251263079106&index=4&nav=WATCHING&nid=10008734324

The second one listed is not it. That's for the oversized aluminum axle. Converting 8s Shamal you need a 1997/8 Record or Chorus freehub, 9s at the time but compatible with 10s and 11s..DOES go onto the 12mm steel(Chorus) or titanium(Record) axle of the 1994/5/6/7 era. You could also use a Athena FH body but had to either machine a spacer(mentioned above) or use an Athena axle.

The pictured one is not made by Campagnolo. After market and w/o trying to actually put it onto a Shamal axle, I don't know but I 'suspect' it will work. Talk to the seller to see if you can return it if it doesn't work.

[Formulasaab]

Great thread. This is info I can use!

[jtakeda]

Thanks for all the response.

I think I get it. 97-98 chorus and record 9 Speed is what I want.

I can also use later mirage but must swap the axle as well?

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=171022064470&index=1&nav=WATCHING&nid=29835389704

Will this work then?

Thanks again.

[buldogge]

Assuming they're using the correct picture, that should be the one.

-Mark

Thanks for all the response.

I think I get it. 97-98 chorus and record 9 Speed is what I want.

I can also use later mirage but must swap the axle as well?

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=171022064470&index=1&nav=WATCHING&nid=29835389704

Will this work then?

Thanks again.

[beeatnik]

http://www.totalcycling.com/en/Campagnolo-Freehub-Body-For-Campagnolo-910sp---12mm-Axle/m-19016.aspx

9/10s, 12mm axle, khamsin, scirocco, vento
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2894/13361976694_562e18f04f_o.jpg

Would this freehub body work as well?

edit: nm, just found this:
http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=113527

[cnighbor1]

why the need to go from 8 cogs to any more
Unless your racing and almost winning more cogs not needed
than don't forget you need shifters that can shift more cogs
and you have to redish the rear wheel making it more susceptible to failure
inner gear in the shifters can be changed from 8 to 9 maybe
I feel the need for more rear cogs is way overblown !!
Your just trying to catch up to the current trend
charles

[jtakeda]

why the need to go from 8 cogs to any more
Unless your racing and almost winning more cogs not needed
than don't forget you need shifters that can shift more cogs
and you have to redish the rear wheel making it more susceptible to failure
inner gear in the shifters can be changed from 8 to 9 maybe
I feel the need for more rear cogs is way overblown !!
Your just trying to catch up to the current trend
charles

Well 8 speed cassettes aren't exactly the easiest thing to find.

[beeatnik]

why the need to go from 8 cogs to any more
Unless your racing and almost winning more cogs not needed
than don't forget you need shifters that can shift more cogs
and you have to redish the rear wheel making it more susceptible to failure
inner gear in the shifters can be changed from 8 to 9 maybe
I feel the need for more rear cogs is way overblown !!
Your just trying to catch up to the current trend
charles

I shift a lot and mostly stay in the big ring and mostly don't cross chain. That said, I've been going in the opposite direction. After 3 years of 11s, last 4 builds have been 10s.

[gmcampy]

Well 8 speed cassettes aren't exactly the easiest thing to find.
They last forever and I get them on the Bay NIB for less than $70.00.

[jtakeda]

They last forever and I get them on the Bay NIB for less than $70.00.

My point is 10 speed cassettes are widely available in any gearing.

8sp takes more work.

[oldpotatoe]

why the need to go from 8 cogs to any more
Unless your racing and almost winning more cogs not needed
than don't forget you need shifters that can shift more cogs
and you have to redish the rear wheel making it more susceptible to failure
inner gear in the shifters can be changed from 8 to 9 maybe
I feel the need for more rear cogs is way overblown !!
Your just trying to catch up to the current trend
charles

Thanks Charles BUT..not really an answer to what he's asking. NO, no need to redish if you convert a Campagnolo Cassette hub from 8s to 9/10/11s.

8s ERGO can be converted to 9s...9s(1999) can be converted to 10s..

[oldpotatoe]

Well 8 speed cassettes aren't exactly the easiest thing to find.

MO/Interweb does not the market make. 8s cogsets, Campagnolo and shimano, still made and easy to find. All the major Campagnolo distributors in the USA have 'em. If a USA or Euro MO place says they are scarce, well they are just joshin' ya..in other words, they are FOS. Full Of __it.

[cnighbor1]

Well 8 speed cassettes aren't exactly the easiest thing to find.
eBay item number:291109266164
eBay item number:360887047625
eBay item number:171260485033
I am finding a lot FS on eBay

[Ralph]

I like 10's cassettes, especially 13-26 (13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-26) for most of my riding. 8's and 9's cassettes don't give me what I like. It's the 11's I don't have much use for. All starting with 11 or 12. I ride a 39-52 crankset most of the time, and it's fairly flat around here, and I'm not strong enough to need a 12 tooth cassette cog. I can get over 30 MPH with a 52-13 (with a little tail wind sometimes), and that's enough.

[jtakeda]

eBay item number:291109266164
eBay item number:360887047625
eBay item number:171260485033
I am finding a lot FS on eBay

Quick eBay search
Campagnolo 8 speed cassette: 82 results
Campagnolo 10 speed cassette:423 results.

That's was my point.

Not sure I care enough about this topic to talk about it anymore especially since this is an old thread about converting my wheelset not about how widely available cassettes are.