Ultegra 11s

[bluesea]

Pic posted at WW's. As a ShimaNO newb I'm still on the fence, but with the foot touching the ground on the S side.


http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=115279

[ultraman6970]

IMO Shimano dropped the ball when their costumers are in need of new wheels to make their 11 stuff to work.

[slidey]

Woo-hoo! Nice to see news of this. :banana:

[slidey]

If you want to go a cheaper route to determine if Shimano is for you or not - just go for 7800 groupset. I just don't feel the urge/need to change from 7800 at all!

What do you use currently? I recall seeing shimano setup on ur caad10 but can't recall what it is.

Pic posted at WW's. As a ShimaNO newb I'm still on the fence, but with the foot touching the ground on the S side.


http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=115279

[Len J]

Hoods are still enormous.

Len

[dbh]

If you want to go a cheaper route to determine if Shimano is for you or not - just go for 7800 groupset. I just don't feel the urge/need to change from 7800 at all!


As someone who primarily rides Campy, largely for the ergonomics but also for the bling factor, I think it's hard to improve on the precision of 6600/7800 shifting.

[bluesea]

If you want to go a cheaper route to determine if Shimano is for you or not - just go for 7800 groupset. I just don't feel the urge/need to change from 7800 at all!

What do you use currently? I recall seeing shimano setup on ur caad10 but can't recall what it is.

My first S road group (on the CAAD) has 6600 brakes and shifters, with 6700 derailleurs and crankset. The hoods are great and the shifting fantastic, although I'm hoping to resolve dexterity/ergo issues with upshifting

[slidey]

Try a pair of 7800 shifters on the current setup. I can guarantee the setup will work and it'll perhaps give you a good idea of how comfortable Shimano shifting can be and if that's something that solves/satisfies your ergo needs. In my book, 7800 shifting trumps 7900 (no clue about 7970).

My first S road group (on the CAAD) has 6600 brakes and shifters, with 6700 derailleurs and crankset. The hoods are great and the shifting fantastic, although I'm hoping to resolve dexterity/ergo issues with upshifting

[palincss]

Woo-hoo! Nice to see news of this. :banana:

Why do you feel this is so exciting?

[slidey]

Used-market will be bigger for Shimano 11-sp in the next year or so, when I might be tempted to look into this finally.

Why do you feel this is so exciting?

[KidWok]

I've got 7700, 7800, and 7900 in the fleet. My favorite is 7800 for sure. Had it not been for the wheel incompatibility and my annoyance that the Big Three feel like they keep needing to shove another unnecessary cog down my throat every few years, I might have gotten 9000...and I might still when 9100 comes in and people are unloading their unused garage princesses.

In the meantime, I've started buying 10 spd Campy.

Tai

[54ny77]

sweet. 10 speed stuff just got cheaper. maybe i'll upgrade to 7900. :)

[bluesea]

The square edges on flat hood tops of 7900, doesn't look too inviting although I've never tried them.

[slidey]

I hear you completely, except for the Campy bit. The only reason I'm slightly curious about trying the 9000 series is because I hear it being compared to the 7800 era, and that can only mean fantastic.

I've got 7700, 7800, and 7900 in the fleet. My favorite is 7800 for sure. Had it not been for the wheel incompatibility and my annoyance that the Big Three feel like they keep needing to shove another unnecessary cog down my throat every few years, I might have gotten 9000...and I might still when 9100 comes in and people are unloading their unused garage princesses.

In the meantime, I've started buying 10 spd Campy.

Tai

[slidey]

Thanks for not interfering with my 7800 amassment plans :banana:

sweet. 10 speed stuff just got cheaper. maybe i'll upgrade to 7900. :)

[bluesea]

Thanks for not interfering with my 7800 amassment plans :banana:


My 6600 shifters I got NOS, if I stay with 10s I'd like the same (7800).

[54ny77]

i have 6700 hoods running 6600 & 7800 drivetrain on 2 bikes, and i like the newer hood shape much much more overall vs. 7800 levers. plus the hidden cable is more aesthetically pleasing to me. that said, shifting nowhere near as silky smooth as 7800 shifters, but it's good enough. i got other more important things to worry about....

The square edges on flat hood tops of 7900, doesn't look too inviting although I've never tried them.

[54ny77]

i'm quietly assembling enough 7800 to last me into dura ace wireless 15 speed....:p

Thanks for not interfering with my 7800 amassment plans :banana:

[oldpotatoe]

IMO Shimano dropped the ball when their costumers are in need of new wheels to make their 11 stuff to work.

So did shimano in about 1987 or 8(7s uniglide to 8s hyperglide)
So did Campagnolo in 1997(9s), so did Mavic
So did shimano AND sram with 11s

So it goes..in a couple of years nobody will even notice.

All the shimano compatible hubs I buy now are all 11s...regardless of number of 'speeds'.

[palincss]

So did shimano in about 1987 or 8(7s uniglide to 8s hyperglide)
So did Campagnolo in 1997(9s), so did Mavic
So did shimano AND sram with 11s


It was possible to use Hyperglide cassettes with Uniglide hubs, you just had to grind off one tab inside the cassette. I did it for a few years, until I damaged the rim hitting a pothole and replaced that wheel.

[oldpotatoe]

It was possible to use Hyperglide cassettes with Uniglide hubs, you just had to grind off one tab inside the cassette. I did it for a few years, until I damaged the rim hitting a pothole and replaced that wheel.

Yep, done that many times unless you need the spin-on smallest cog....then you 'may' be SOL.

[kurto]

Does this mean I have to stop running 9-speed?

[palincss]

Does this mean I have to stop running 9-speed?

Only sheeple will have to switch from either 9 or 10 speed to 11. Everyone else may step back and ask whether the additional sprocket will provide them with anything useful, and if so, whether the additional benefit is worth the cost.

[bluesea]

Only sheeple will have to switch from either 9 or 10 speed to 11. Everyone else may step back and ask whether the additional sprocket will provide them with anything useful, and if so, whether the additional benefit is worth the cost.


Judge much?

[palincss]

When it comes to bicycle marketing, everyone should judge. Those who follow along blindly and accept it all as truth are acting like sheep, maybe even worse than sheep because I'm pretty sure sheep can tell Sh1te from Shinola, at a minimum by the smell.

[bluesea]

Judge marketing or judge people? As a consumer I accept/reject, what others do is their business. If 11sp gives a tighter gear cluster while retaining a 27t climbing gear, more power to me. Don't need it, but it doesn't hurt me.

[rice rocket]

Number of gears is one thing, and it's easy to focus on because it's a number.

The other tangibles of shifter shape, shifting action, braking feel, braking action, etc., have just as much, if not more influence in making a good groupset good than number of gears.

The extra gear is a nice bonus, everything else is what makes it a good groupset.

[sg8357]

Does this mean I have to stop running 9-speed?


Not anytime soon, 3 and 4 speed freewheels and derailleurs are tough to get these days, 5 speed and later no problem.

[Jeff N.]

I've got 9000 on my Lynskey. SR-11 beats it to death, IMO.

[sc53]

Number of gears is one thing, and it's easy to focus on because it's a number.

The other tangibles of shifter shape, shifting action, braking feel, braking action, etc., have just as much, if not more influence in making a good groupset good than number of gears.

The extra gear is a nice bonus, everything else is what makes it a good groupset.

The hood shape of 7900 is why I switched from 7800, not any problems with shifting. I hated the 7800 shifter bullhorns rearing up off my bars. 7900 feels much more comfortable and, to me, looks much better. Because switching to the 7900 shifters meant I had to switch the brakes and FD, I did that too. Still running my 7800 RD though, along with cassettes and chains.

[bluesea]

I've got 9000 on my Lynskey. SR-11 beats it to death, IMO.

IIRC you preferred the more tactile Campy shifter action. Hood and shifter ergos are personal, so what else?

[palincss]

Judge marketing or judge people? As a consumer I accept/reject, what others do is their business. If 11sp gives a tighter gear cluster while retaining a 27t climbing gear, more power to me. Don't need it, but it doesn't hurt me.

Marketing.

[bluesea]

Marketing.


Cool.

[slidey]

So you're judging marketing? :eek:

I thought it was yesterday's news that most marketing has/is/will forever be steeped in what can only be classified as fiction.

Marketing.

[54ny77]

what are derailleurs? what is this cable-actuated shifting thing you speak of? i use a steel lever to lift & move my chain to another cog and i damned well like it that way. marketing people can kiss my binda strap.

[palincss]

So you're judging marketing? :eek:

I thought it was yesterday's news that most marketing has/is/will forever be steeped in what can only be classified as fiction.

Amazingly enough, sometimes amidst the turds there's an occasional truffle. It usually takes judgment to tell the one from the other, although every once in a rare while there's something blindingly obvious (thinking now about modern LED bicycle lights compared to previous generation halogen).

[thirdgenbird]

what are derailleurs? what is this cable-actuated shifting thing you speak of? i use a steel lever to lift & move my chain to another cog and i damned well like it that way. marketing people can kiss my binda strap.

You lever using pansy. Stop and flip you wheel like a man.

[palincss]

It was only the racers who flipped wheels and used lever-operated shifters. Tourists used far better derailleurs, and were at the forefront in adopting multiple speed systems.

[Chance]

Good news -- more choices are normally good for consumers. Wouldn't upgrade an existing bike just to get an extra gear or two, but if building a new bike having a lower-cost alternative to Dura-Ace with most of the same benefits can't hurt. And for those who don't want 11 speed or one-size cranks they can always buy something else. Ultegra is my typical group choice so this is indeed good news. And as stated in other threads, the new 4-arm 110 BC cranks seem like a great idea to me. Glad it trickled down. Will be interesting to see if they make a triple version; not that many of us would want one with 11 speeds on back.