sram - the double deuce.

[AngryScientist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6QJkKQXCx4&feature=youtu.be

[bluesea]

Slick name.

[Black Dog]

So...every one has 11 now...:rolleyes:

[Elefantino]

So...every one has 11 now...:rolleyes:
Not everyone. Tiso (http://www.tisobike.com/home1.htm)has 12. And a remote.

[FlashUNC]

SRAM, now with the loudest 11 speed group on the market.

[thirdgenbird]

So...every one has 11 now...:rolleyes:

What did you expect?

[slidey]

April Fools upload... so yeah :p

[thirdgenbird]

April Fools upload... so yeah :p

the pictured cassette looks like an 11t stacked on a 12t outer but I'm betting we see the real thing soon.

[Charles M]

Not everyone. Tiso (http://www.tisobike.com/home1.htm)has 12. And a remote.

wireless to some degree...

Hopefully ready for Interbike.

[slidey]

I put it to you, it could very well be any of the numerous 11-sp cassettes that Campy/Shimano offer now :bike:

the pictured cassette looks like an 11t stacked on a 12t outer but I'm betting we see the real thing soon.

Joking aside, yeah its only a matter of time they came out with 11-sp. But innocuous yet controversial speculation is more fun, in this case.

[gavingould]

not sure whether to take this one seriously or not, SRAM did have several different company accounts put the video up on facebook. a couple employees i know there also posted, but there's no way they'd give me a straight answer.

supposed announcement 4/10 or 11.

[Jawn P]

Rumor has it that Sea Otter should be the big unveiling.

[chris7ed]

Has Sram been good for cycling? Competition is good... but are they pushing Shimano and Campy or are they offer only an alternative?

[oldpotatoe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6QJkKQXCx4&feature=youtu.be

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[oldpotatoe]

Has Sram been good for cycling? Competition is good... but are they pushing Shimano and Campy or are they offer only an alternative?

Loaded question..define 'good'.

shimano and Campagnolo are 11s and electronic..sounds like they are pushing sram.

Their stuff is cheap and light.

MTB stuff is nice altho, IMHO, $ for $, not as nice as shimano.

Think they have a way to go for road. BUT 'New' sram red, 10s, recently introduced, is now pretty obsolete.

[parris]

So with things going in this direction how long before we start to see the rear hub/axle going wider?

[oldpotatoe]

So with things going in this direction how long before we start to see the rear hub/axle going wider?

With the wet disc/road silliness, it'll be 135mm. Geez, for an enthusiast's bike, ya know, like right now, it's raining...gonna go do your little group ride on Saturday AM? Most will say no. Most are not commuters who ride in Seattle, down big hills, in the pouring rain. Most don't do descents outta Vail on carbon rims..it's just silly.

I have said when road bikes have discs, I'm quitting..looks like my timing is just right.

[thirdgenbird]

With the wet disc/road silliness, it'll be 135mm

But will rim brake bikes stay 130mm? The wheels won't be cross compatible anyway so there won't be a big need to move to 135 without discs.

[oldpotatoe]

But will rim brake bikes stay 130mm? The wheels won't be cross compatible anyway so there won't be a big need to move to 135 without discs.

The thing driving it will be a combo of frames becoming 135 along with rear hubs matching..like it did with 120-126 and 126-130. Difference will be not gonna cold set carbon or for most hubs, add 5mm to get it into a 135 frame. Gonna make a lot stuff obsolete but that's kinda the MO for the bike biz these days anyway.

ALL frames will be 135 until rear thru axles happen(another dum ideas for a road bike) and become 142......

[parris]

I had forgotten about disk brakes. I was more thinking about spoke tension and general wheel strength issues that "may" start to show up.

[dustyrider]

Compatible isn't a word that drives "new"sales.
142x12, should be the deciding factor spud, not wet brakes!

[oldpotatoe]

I had forgotten about disk brakes. I was more thinking about spoke tension and general wheel strength issues that "may" start to show up.

Wheels have been built on the 130mm platform for a long while. 'Basic' dimensions for rear hubs for wheelbuilders haven't really changed for about 25 years.

For above..142 by 12..on a supported triangle for the rear, thru axles do really nothing except make lots wheels not compatible with lotsa frames, even for MTBs. Front suspension and thru axle makes a load of sense but not the rear.

[T.J.]

Has Sram been good for cycling? Competition is good... but are they pushing Shimano and Campy or are they offer only an alternative?

In my opinion yea SRAM has been very good for cycling. Their commitment to sponsorship in amateur racing has been huge( atleast around here).

[Elefantino]

Difference will be not gonna cold set carbon ...
Imagining this, I can hear the explosion in my head. :eek:

[cachagua]

No need to cold-set your carbon, 130 is here to stay. A 16-speed cassette fits in the same space as Shimano 8/9 -- its center-to-center spacing is only 2.394mm.

The chain costs about nine hundred dollars, and lasts until you pedal. But, technology moves forward, right? Save your pennies, it'll be available soon! Just a month or two after you buy 14-speed. . .

[colod]

i have said when road bikes have discs, i'm quitting..looks like my timing is just right.

+1. :(

[EDS]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/04/bikes-and-tech/sram-to-launch-11-speed-red-22-group-hydraulic-brakes_280379

[oldpotatoe]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/04/bikes-and-tech/sram-to-launch-11-speed-red-22-group-hydraulic-brakes_280379

No Red 11s, mechanical brake lever option?

Hydro rim brakes?

No lever compatibility with disc or rim brakes? Gotta get one or the other?

Yikes

[rice rocket]

No need to cold-set your carbon, 130 is here to stay. A 16-speed cassette fits in the same space as Shimano 8/9 -- its center-to-center spacing is only 2.394mm.

The chain costs about nine hundred dollars, and lasts until you pedal. But, technology moves forward, right? Save your pennies, it'll be available soon! Just a month or two after you buy 14-speed. . .

FYI, Bikeradar did a test, the Shimano 10-speed chains wore significantly longer than the 9-speeds, despite being narrower.

[EDS]

No Red 11s, mechanical brake lever option?

Yikes

Of course there is, says so right in the VN piece.

[oldpotatoe]

Of course there is, says so right in the VN piece.

Can't find it but if ya say so..

I think they would be better served with electronic 11s instead of wet discs, which require a new frame/fork design. I only wish it was internal electronic and wet disc, for that 'clean' look.


:help:

And 'in the season introduction of the 'new' 11s..and all those retailers with 2013 10s bikes on their floor wondering how much they are going to lose when they have to discount them for the 11s equipped bikes..

They couldn't wait until 2014?

[shovelhd]

SRAM is doing what Shimano is not, introducing the top level and the next lower level 11 speed at roughly the same time. Kudos to them for doing that.

[oldpotatoe]

SRAM is doing what Shimano is not, introducing the top level and the next lower level 11 speed at roughly the same time. Kudos to them for doing that.

I guess but they will be electronic eventually. In spite of the flourish about sram road stuff when it was new, I think they feel they are playing catch-up to shimano.

[shovelhd]

Agreed, just making a point.

[CDollarsign]

I am sure you've all seen this:

http://www.bikerumor.com/2013/04/05/sram-red-22-hydraulic-road-brake-details-surfacing/#more-57842

I don't really get the need for hydraulic rim brakes...

[blantonator]

I am sure you've all seen this:

http://www.bikerumor.com/2013/04/05/sram-red-22-hydraulic-road-brake-details-surfacing/#more-57842

I don't really get the need for hydraulic rim brakes...

more power, better modulation, lower maintenance. pretty much same reason hydraulic disc brakes are better than mechanical.

[CDollarsign]

more power, better modulation, lower maintenance. pretty much same reason hydraulic disc brakes are better than mechanical.

It really just seems to over complicate matters. I've never met a modern rim brake that didn't do its job with ease and no fuss maintenance wise. Maybe I am just lucky...

[mnoble485]

So...every one has 11 now...:rolleyes:

Not me, still stuck in the dark ages with 9.

Mike

[rice rocket]

It really just seems to over complicate matters. I've never met a modern rim brake that didn't do its job with ease and no fuss maintenance wise. Maybe I am just lucky...

Same reason you don't see cable clutches, cable shifters, and cable brakes on cars nowadays... Hydraulic systems are self-adjusting and pretty maintenance free.

[Fivethumbs]

I have two 8 speed bikes and one 10 speed bike. I am no faster on the 10 speed bike. It's kind of nice riding the 8 speed because of less shifting.

[10-4]

Same reason you don't see cable clutches, cable shifters, and cable brakes on cars nowadays... Hydraulic systems are self-adjusting and pretty maintenance free.

I almost choked when I read this. Have you owned Avid brakes? They couldn't be any further from maintenance free.

[oldpotatoe]

more power, better modulation, lower maintenance. pretty much same reason hydraulic disc brakes are better than mechanical.

Yep, yep and nope. I have 2 drawers full of bleed kit hardware. Seems every brake requires somethin' different.

I built a Cervelo that had wet rim magura brakes and for this 115 pound triathlete, they were WAY, WAY too strong. AND heavy AND expensive. A $300 answer to a $50 question.

[binxnyrwarrsoul]

Not me, still stuck in the dark ages with 9.

Mike

And me in the slightly less dark ages with Campy 10S :rolleyes:. Time to ramp up my hoarding.