Mystery custom track frame...

[bike]

I picked this up off of craigslist recently. Dude said he got it from a friend who started building frames out of Santa Barbara, who got it from an old frame builder in Santa Barbara. The frame has fastback seat stays with the weirdest seatpost clamp bolt setup ever. I stripped the nasty paint that was on it and sanded off the undercoat. The tubing is Columbus, butted but not rifled, has these old Columbus bird logos stamped on the main tubes with a 071 under the bird, I think the tubing is from the 1950/60's. The lugs are bocama, I think the bb is English thread, looks like a 27.0 seatpost, though it could be a 26.8 thats just a bit stretched?. The builder actually used a green filler around some of the lug brazing to smooth it out when painted. The bb shell is stamped 75-001 which makes me think there was some sort of a series of frames being made. No apparant damage. Dropouts look like old campy long track dropouts bit they aren't stamped.

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac334/nickh001/IMAG0120_zps2549c715.jpg
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before stripping paint
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac334/nickh001/2013-03-31_19-42-21_zpsacd09265.png

There's nothing coming out the other side, and a nut that threads onto that bolt.

[alancw3]

can't say i have ever seen that configuration for a seat fastnener on a fastback lug, however, i would venture a guess that it is a cinelli. are you sure the bb is english and not italian or french?

[sante pollastri]

I think this frame is modified in the seat lug,it is not a Cinelli,between the two seat stays,near teh seat lug,there is no space for the binder bolt.

[ultraman6970]

The brazing is super rough, do you have a picture of the whole frame? The 75 could be the year?

You mentioned rifled columbus, well the only rifled tube in a columbus sl tubing was the steering tube, the other stuff always being double butted (that i know of), never seen riffled columbus in the butts of the tubing, maybe there is, but I dont recall seen anything rifled but the steering tube.

Post a picture of that frame and fork man, will be interesting to look, specially because is track specific?

[bike]

I meant the tubing is butted but not rifled. There is no fork. The Columbus dove stamp on the main tubes is an old one. I'll try to get pics.

[e-RICHIE]

... a friend who started building frames out of Santa Barbara, who got it from an old frame builder in Santa Barbara.

Probably Pauley and Celmins atmo.


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[bike]

Just curious what makes you think it would have been one of those guys?

[e-RICHIE]

Just curious what makes you think it would have been one of those guys?

In all my years, especially the first 10, I have never known of any other
SB effbuilders except for those two - the mtb cats notwithstanding atmo.

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[slidey]

Looks like Chris Pauley's work - http://www.classicrendezvous.com/USA/Pauley_Chris.htm

I see a similar seat stay bolt pattern, but then having heard of them both only after Richie's post I can't nearly be sure.

[bike]

Well that would all make sense, it says he started building mid seventies and his first couple frames were messy. This one has 75-001 stamped on the bb shell, and the lug filing is rather sloppy. Plus, the seatpost binder setup really is very similar to the one on that red bike from CR. Anyone know what diameter seatpost the tubing might be made to take? It fits a 27.0, but I don't know if that's the right size or if the collar is stretched or clamped meaning it was supposed to take a 26.8, or a 27.2 The only real referance point I have for the tubing is the fact that its butted, non rifled, has the ooooldd Columbus bird stamp directly on the tubing with a 071 under it.

[bike]

The chain stays are really big, and you can see externally where they taper down so they can fit into the bb shell.

[bike]

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac334/nickh001/IMAG0126_zpsba00178c.jpg
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac334/nickh001/IMAG0125_zps254111ef.jpg
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