Hub advice

[molly47]

looking to get a set of enve 3.4s built and can't make a decision on the hubs.

chris king R45

Dt 240s

Tune

any input would be appreciated thanks

[thegunner]

CK45's would be awesome - but annoying to service

DT240's would be easy to service, but kind of middling in terms of performance (as far as stiffness vs. CK's would be concerned)

Tunes would be light and boutique :) and would be my choice given the three (maybe not terribly easy to service either)

[cmg]

DT240 for ease of service. As long as the bearings are centered and the freehub ratches everything else over complicates things, CK - internal clutch/ring drive, proprietory grease, tune hubs, 3 different bearing sizes. Do you really want to have to read a dis-assembly manual just change the bearings? If it has sealed cartridge bearings why do i need proprietary grease? with 3 different bearing sizes you know one won't be available or common. Hate proprietary anything, ease of service wins everytime........

[Bruce K]

For sex appeal but not so much durability - Tune

Either of the other two are good hubs so you could always choose which one matches the build best. ;)

BL

[oldpotatoe]

looking to get a set of enve 3.4s built and can't make a decision on the hubs.

chris king R45

Dt 240s

Tune

any input would be appreciated thanks

DT 350? Same guts as 240, MUCH less expensive, wee bit heavier is all.

Not gonna be able to tell any stiffness differences with all 3(4?) hub choices. There is differences but it isn't due to hub design unless the RH flange is way to toward the center. I can tell my 36 Revo spoke, front wheel and 1/2 Revs 36 spoke rear wheel isn't as stiff as DT Comps all around..one is Phil hubs(Revs) and one is C Record. Same rim..but it's due to spokes, not hub flange.

However, if you are a shimano type person, get the 11s option, for DT or CK(don't know about Tune)..8/9/10s compatible and 11s, when everything is 11s.

[ergott]

Alchemy. They are the best choice because you are spoke count limited and they will make for the laterally stiffest wheels. They also come in at about the same weight as Tune for the set. Cost between the hubs you are considering are all within about $50 of each other.

I do feel the diference in lateral stiffness of wheels. It's most noticeable out of the saddle climbing in a low gear. That's were you put the most torque on the rear wheel. I also feel a difference in handling with a laterally stiffer wheelset.

[madcow]

Since the change to 11 speed has changed the dimensions of the hubs, I think it has to depend on your size, intended use, desired weight and need for serviceability.

Previously the R45 was a better choice, but with 11 not so much. 3.5/7.4 bracing angle with a tension ratio of 47%.

DT240 has improved with 11 speed being 3.5/6.7 bracing angle and 51% tension ratio.

Tune tops both of them when you look at tension ratios along with bracing angles together being 3.7/7.3 and 51% tension ratio.

Alchemy takes Tune a step further in bracing angle but then gives up in the tension ratio dept. 3.7/7.8 and 48% tension ratio.

King as was mentioned is the most difficult to service, not exactly difficult but doesn't use a standard bearing and does require special tools. All 3 of the others use conventional bearings and require nothing special in terms of tools.

All are 11 speed.

Combined weights and prices.
King 324 grams at $598
DT 312 grams at $600
Tune 246 grams at $600
Alchemy 256 grams at $625 (estimated price, we know the UL has gone up in price, but not exactly sure how much.)

It was mentioned to look at the DT350, but this is not an option as 3.4 come only in 20/24 drilling and DT350 are not drilled in counts lower than 28/28 unless you look at the SP version in which case they go down to 24/28. OEM versions are drilled in 20/24, but those aren't possible to get aftermarket.

[Tony T]

Is the width of the 3.4 Clinchers the same as C2/HED/Zipp rims?
Specs of 3.4 are WIDTH: (OUTER) Front: 26mm Rear: 24mm

[BSUdude]

The correct answer is whichever is the loudest, which would be 240s.

[oldpotatoe]

Since the change to 11 speed has changed the dimensions of the hubs, I think it has to depend on your size, intended use, desired weight and need for serviceability.

Previously the R45 was a better choice, but with 11 not so much. 3.5/7.4 bracing angle with a tension ratio of 47%.

DT240 has improved with 11 speed being 3.5/6.7 bracing angle and 51% tension ratio.

Tune tops both of them when you look at tension ratios along with bracing angles together being 3.7/7.3 and 51% tension ratio.

Alchemy takes Tune a step further in bracing angle but then gives up in the tension ratio dept. 3.7/7.8 and 48% tension ratio.

King as was mentioned is the most difficult to service, not exactly difficult but doesn't use a standard bearing and does require special tools. All 3 of the others use conventional bearings and require nothing special in terms of tools.

All are 11 speed.

Combined weights and prices.
King 324 grams at $598
DT 312 grams at $600
Tune 246 grams at $600
Alchemy 256 grams at $625 (estimated price, we know the UL has gone up in price, but not exactly sure how much.)

It was mentioned to look at the DT350, but this is not an option as 3.4 come only in 20/24 drilling and DT350 are not drilled in counts lower than 28/28 unless you look at the SP version in which case they go down to 24/28. OEM versions are drilled in 20/24, but those aren't possible to get aftermarket.

Contact ENVE and ask for a 28h build. I have before on other rims..maybe not but...

[ergott]

Contact ENVE and ask for a 28h build. I have before on other rims..maybe not but...

SES rims are only available in one hole count. The "Classic" series (25, 45, 65) are available in several hole counts.

[oldpotatoe]

SES rims are only available in one hole count. The "Classic" series (25, 45, 65) are available in several hole counts.

Ahhh, 10-4

Sure am glad all the percentages and bracing angles were put in the other post.







(Dohhhhhh).