revisit - winter gloves for around 45 degrees

[eddief]

I have gloves coming out of my ears (visualize that). The normal half finger gloves for warm weather. When a little colder I like those same gloves with some thin full finger liners underneath. Then when the temp clicks down a notch, I have some full finger Windstopper ones that work well at about 50 degrees. Any lower temp than that, I begin to wus out.

What would you recommend for a wus at under 50 degrees? I know a true wus would just stay inside and bitch, but I'd rather ride and be warm.

[MattTuck]

I think it depends on your personal preferences, but something like this http://www.amazon.com/Pearl-Izumi-Softshell-Lobster-Glove/dp/B004N62HK8

For me, I can wear medium weight liner gloves under my half finger cycling gloves down to about 35-40 degrees f. These gloves come out below that. Wear a thin liner glove with them though, because if not, my hands sweat and make the whole inside of the glove very wet.

[Mr Cabletwitch]

I wear these down to temps around freezing... LG Winstoppers
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7Ehvh8lnLEU/TRuk896LmVI/AAAAAAAAArU/hoOXvSVR5CM/s1600/Louis+Garneau.jpg

I wear these puppies when its below freezing... LG Lobster Claws
http://www.indiebike.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/base/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/4/1482141_020_reg_000_1_6.jpg

[fiamme red]

These work well for me: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ag2.htm.

[gavingould]

Giro LX LF.

[tuscanyswe]

45 really isent cold (imo). I could wear most non-summer gloves for that. I can use these down to about -10C.

Most warm gloves require you take them off to operate phones and unzipping pockets or whatever (lobster or mitten style). But these are so versatile with the flap.

http://media.hestragloves.com/cache/82/99/829971341de2346507b50534b4779faa.jpg

[christian]

Fleece under gloves and regular short-finger cycling mitts get me to 40 easily. Below that I wear Kinco "Ski" gloves. They're like $12 at the hardware store. Below 25 I switch to OR shell mitts and wool gloves inside.

[Likes2ridefar]

skip the bicycling gloves and just get some store branded gloves like ems or rei or something similar. they have proper weight gloves from very thin to very warm mittens that should cover about every temperature you face.

you just need to figure out what works for you.

for me, i'm good to about 40F with fleece type gloves that shed wind/water as long as I'm riding hard. below that it's time for mittens or lobster claw setups. above 50f and simple midweight fleece type gloves with no wind or water blocking.

currently i'm using a pair of these (http://www.seirus.com/tactical-detai...g/all-weather/) and really like them thus far. got them for about $25 on sale recently. for around freezing and below this year I'm using some vaprthrm mittens for extreme cold by rbh designs...although these i got for mountaineering not cycling but they work fine for both! much thinner than typical mittens and much warmer. they are the bees knees as far as i'm concerned. made locally in CT where I live and amazing performance.

the most important thing if you are riding for longer periods of time (a few hours or more) is to avoid sweating much. once the insulation is cold it will do a better job at freezing your hands instead of warming them. gloves that are waterproof are typically very good at turning in to a frig instead of an oven.

[eddief]

good photo, but can't find those on their website.

45 really isent cold (imo). I could wear most non-summer gloves for that. I can use these down to about -10C.

Most warm gloves require you take them off to operate phones and unzipping pockets or whatever (lobster or mitten style). But these are so versatile with the flap.

http://media.hestragloves.com/cache/82/99/829971341de2346507b50534b4779faa.jpg

[tuscanyswe]

Hmm maybe that was old link or something. They still make them
http://hestragloves.com/en/gloves/outdoor/windstopper-pullover-mitt/

bought my 2nd pair few month ago. Had the first pair for a long time!

[katematt]

+1 for shells

I have a pair of Sugoi mittens that are super thin, but over a pair of lightweight gloves take me down easy to high 20's F.

IMO best invention ever.

[Likes2ridefar]

Hmm maybe that was old link or something. They still make them
http://hestragloves.com/en/gloves/outdoor/windstopper-pullover-mitt/

bought my 2nd pair few month ago. Had the first pair for a long time!

those look like really great mitts. might have to try them out!

[tuscanyswe]

You should! As a bikemessenger ive tried my fair share of gloves. These are great!

[Likes2ridefar]

they dont seem to be readily available on the web for sale...at least not my usual stomping grounds like amazon.com

[eddief]

Looks like you could get those half finger parts over a liner too?

Hmm maybe that was old link or something. They still make them
http://hestragloves.com/en/gloves/outdoor/windstopper-pullover-mitt/

bought my 2nd pair few month ago. Had the first pair for a long time!

[tuscanyswe]

Yes i can but thats also gonna come down to sizing. I have pretty large hands so perhaps its different in smaller sizes but the room in "my" flap allows me to move the fingers inside with np (use campy)

I buy these in the stores here so dont know what online stores carry them but heres hestras list of shops anyways.
http://hestragloves.com/sv/stores/usa/

Edit: what do you mean by liner? A thin extra glove? if so yes i can fit that inside if i wanted.

[kgbianchi]

Can 45°F really be considered winter ;) ?

[rjfr]

I've found a combination of Bellweather Pitard Windstrom with Craft zero liners to work well down to 32. They work well for all weather, though maybe not so well for extended rain below 45. The liners are very thin and the Bellweather just a bit large.

[eddief]

http://www.manzella.com/index.php/products/detail/mz-151r

Yes i can but thats also gonna come down to sizing. I have pretty large hands so perhaps its different in smaller sizes but the room in "my" flap allows me to move the fingers inside with np.

I buy these in the stores here so dont know what online stores carry them but heres hestras list of shops anyways.
http://hestragloves.com/sv/stores/usa/

Edit: what do you mean by liner?

[tuscanyswe]

http://www.manzella.com/index.php/products/detail/mz-151r

Hard to say but i prolly could in mine. Again that will come down to size i think.

[earlfoss]

A good option to consider would be any of the Swix cross country skiing gloves. They make some pretty cheap, durable gloves.

[93legendti]

I have these:
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10054_10551_1123544_-1___000000

40g thinsulate insulation. With a liner, it has a pretty wide temp range

[eddief]

http://www.zappos.com/manzella-windstopper-hatchback

[tuscanyswe]

I think the reason why mittens works so well for warmth is that the fingers warm eachother. I dont know but i would imagine that effect is lost if you have gloves with a mitten over. I think the naked fingers are what makes it a great glove. I could be wrong tho, never tried gloves with mitten over.

[Likes2ridefar]

I think the reason why mittens works so well for warmth is that the fingers warm eachother. I dont know but i would imagine that effect is lost if you have gloves with a mitten over. I think the naked fingers are what makes it a great glove. I could be wrong tho, never tried gloves with mitten over.

generally, liner gloves make things warmer even inside mittens. it also helps reduce sweating for some people which in turn keeps the insulation drier and more effective. by simply adding a liner glove it usually extends the range of that glove by a good bit. for example, the assos mid layer glove in their 3 layer system is usually good for the temps the OP is wanting...with a midweight wool or synthetic liner glove I find them comfortable down to about freezing.

until I got my vaprthrm mittens, I've always used liner gloves or mittens and may do so with them but havent had cold enough temps yet to need them. this past weekend I was in the teens due to strong winds in the white mountains and my hands were HOT in them....

the warmest consumer mittens usually have a shell mitten with insulation then another mitten inside that will hold a hand warmer. check out OR alti mitts and gloves for an example.

[pdmtong]

hey eddie
i recently bought into the giro long finger gloves, the ambient 2 and the blaze 2. look on their website. I find them perfect for the bay area riding we do.
paul

[tuscanyswe]

generally, liner gloves make things warmer even inside mittens. it also helps reduce sweating for some people which in turn keeps the insulation drier and more effective. by simply adding a liner glove it usually extends the range of that glove by a good bit. for example, the assos mid layer glove in their 3 layer system is usually good for the temps the OP is wanting...with a midweight wool or synthetic liner glove I find them comfortable down to about freezing.

until I got my vaprthrm mittens, I've always used liner gloves or mittens and may do so with them but havent had cold enough temps yet to need them. this past weekend I was in the teens due to strong winds in the white mountains and my hands were HOT in them....

the warmest consumer mittens usually have a shell mitten with insulation then another mitten inside that will hold a hand warmer. check out OR alti mitts and gloves for an example.


Same here. We had a few minus 5-10 degree C here but not super duper cold yet. Ill try a liner someday for comparison.

[Likes2ridefar]

Same here. We had a few minus 5-10 degree C here but not super duper cold yet. Ill try a liner someday for comparison.

yes, i was hoping for much colder temperatures this past weekend when doing the presidential traverse in NH so I could really test all the vapor barrier stuff I recently purchased. it was above freezing when I was atop mt washington. there were puddles forming!

I've learned a lot about keeping warm since I started the mountaineering. the biggest thing I learned was regarding merino wool. Over the years, I've gradually moved almost everything to merino wool, and now I find it's actually not as good as a few synthetics for most types of activities I do in the winter.

[tuscanyswe]

yes, i was hoping for much colder temperatures this past weekend when doing the presidential traverse in NH so I could really test all the vapor barrier stuff I recently purchased. it was above freezing when I was atop mt washington. there were puddles forming!

I've learned a lot about keeping warm since I started the mountaineering. the biggest thing I learned was regarding merino wool. Over the years, I've gradually moved almost everything to merino wool, and now I find it's actually not as good as a few synthetics for most types of activities I do in the winter.


Have you tried woolnet? Its the **** for really cold days. Its like 5% synthetics and rest merino. Obviously comes in form of a net so the sweat can be soack up by the layer you have on above it, keeping the moist away from your body. Works very good imo!
http://www.willyssportfiske.se/images/Aclima_Woolnet_Crewneck.jpg

[Likes2ridefar]

Have you tried woolnet? Its the **** for really cold days. Its like 5% synthetics and rest merino. Obviously comes in form of a net so the sweat can be soack up by the layer you have on above it, keeping the moist away from your body. Works very good imo!

I recently learned about the mesh because it is recommended to wear underneath my vaprthrm shirt, and have been trying to source the european brynje (sp?) but it's extremely expensive from EU and no one seems to sell it here. I'm considering ordering wiggy's mesh underwear but from people who have used both, they say the brynje is far superior.

do you know of any others? *edit* just saw your link. thats one i've not heard. looks very nice so shall see if it's available here...

[Monthly Payment]

The DeFeet wool gloves are awesome up to 45 degrees. Best winter glove I've used down to 40 degrees or so. They are thin, cheap and if you don't like them, they can be used as base layers under a wind shell when it gets colder. They are super warm, dry easily, pretty much some of the best gloves I have ever used. Can't talk about them enough. The regular DeFeet Duraglove is not as good as the wool version for the cold.

[MattTuck]

45 really isent cold (imo). I could wear most non-summer gloves for that. I can use these down to about -10C.

Most warm gloves require you take them off to operate phones and unzipping pockets or whatever (lobster or mitten style). But these are so versatile with the flap.

http://media.hestragloves.com/cache/82/99/829971341de2346507b50534b4779faa.jpg

Those hestra gloves look interesting. I had never heard of them. May have to look around for a dealer or give 'em a shot and just order online.

[tuscanyswe]

I recently learned about the mesh because it is recommended to wear underneath my vaprthrm shirt, and have been trying to source the european brynje (sp?) but it's extremely expensive from EU and no one seems to sell it here. I'm considering ordering wiggy's mesh underwear but from people who have used both, they say the brynje is far superior.

do you know of any others?

Actually i never used brynje. The one i linked to is Aclima and are abit less expensive but not cheap..

[christian]

I think the reason why mittens works so well for warmth is that the fingers warm each other.This is dogma in all Swedish nursery schools, ski schools, and the army. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard this in my life. Nightmares, Björn, nightmares.

Should be said - if anyone wants to be proper warm, the combination of Dachstein/Ortovox boiled-wool mittens and the Swedish army goatskin over-mitts cannot be beat. Perfectly comfy down to -40C.

[Likes2ridefar]

This is dogma in all Swedish nursery schools, ski schools, and the army. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard this in my life. Nightmares, Björn, nightmares.

Should be said - if anyone wants to be proper warm, the combination of Ortovox boiled-wool mittens and the Swedish army goatskin over-mitts cannot be beat. Perfectly comfy down to -40C.

my mittens (http://www.rbhdesigns.com/category/169&CFID=14876225&CFTOKEN=17181728/handwear.htm) reportedly work just as well but now after checking those wool mitts...:) I got the midweight liner with the basic shell. i've not hit that low of a temp yet but am fairly confident they will be fine. I wore ultralight trail running shoes this weekend on the presi traverse with their socks while everyone else had winter boots and heavy layers. my feet were HOT. and my feet are always cold...it was the most amazing thing ever for me in the winter:banana:

[christian]

do you know of any others? *edit* just saw your link. thats one i've not heard. looks very nice so shall see if it's available here...It's not. I get it from Sweden/Norway. It is as good as claimed.

[tuscanyswe]

This is dogma in all Swedish nursery schools, ski schools, and the army. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard this in my life. Nightmares, Björn, nightmares.

Should be said - if anyone wants to be proper warm, the combination of Ortovox boiled-wool mittens and the Swedish army goatskin over-mitts cannot be beat. Perfectly comfy down to -40C.

Hehehe yes this is true. Come to think of it (like i stated above i have not even tried liners aswell) i never even questioned the truth in this i just accepted it for fact! :)

Never wore those goatskins tho, id like to try but minus 40 seem buurrrrr!

[93legendti]

This is dogma in all Swedish nursery schools, ski schools, and the army. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard this in my life. Nightmares, Björn, nightmares.

Should be said - if anyone wants to be proper warm, the combination of Dachstein/Ortovox boiled-wool mittens and the Swedish army goatskin over-mitts cannot be beat. Perfectly comfy down to -40C.

I was thinking about this yesterday as I used my heavy Ibex Loden wool mitts for the umpteenth ride yesterday. It was about 25 degrees and winds were ~20 mph, but the Ibex mittens were perfect, again.

[fiamme red]

I was thinking about this yesterday as I used my heavy Ibex Loden wool mitts for the umpteenth ride yesterday. It was about 25 degrees and winds were ~20 mph, but the Ibex mittens were perfect, again.I love my Ibex mittens too (with wool liners), but at 45°, they would be much too hot. At that temperature, I'd either use thin wool gloves or just summer gloves.

[Gummee]

Have you tried woolnet? Its the **** for really cold days. Its like 5% synthetics and rest merino. Obviously comes in form of a net so the sweat can be soack up by the layer you have on above it, keeping the moist away from your body. Works very good imo!
http://www.willyssportfiske.se/images/Aclima_Woolnet_Crewneck.jpg

German ebay has both a singlet and a LS woolnet listed. 30EUR each. My German is rusty enough that I can't tell if they'll ship to the US.

Tempting. VERY tempting. I LOVE my Garneau mesh base layer. I can only imagine that a wool version of that would be even better!

M

[veloduffer]

I've tried all sorts of glove and found these to be the best for around 50 degrees: Voler Thermal Gloves, $29.99

They're windproof and has some light fleece, so your hands are warm but won't sweat. Moreover, great price.

http://www.voler.com/browse/product/li/1240043BLKSML

[hockeybike]

Down to 45 degrees or so, the DeFeet wool liner-like glove, which has been mentioned here, is amazing.

That said, I lost half of my pair of Craft mitts and now need something for slightly colder rides. Is there any functional difference between the lobster and full mitts, or those trigger finger mitts?

Better yet, are any of those windstopper rated-to-32F gloves actually worth anything, or do you give up a ton of warmth to get some dexterity?

[gdw]

For the temperatures you're riding in a regular glove combined with a wool or synthetic full finger liner works well. I've used some from Smartwool for several years and they have held up well.

They might laugh at you at the coffeeshop but for cold weather riding, 30-10f, there are lot of inexpensive options.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/browse/military-clothing-gloves-mittens.aspx?c=160&s=333

The mittens that Christian recommends are available for just over $16.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/new-swedish-military-surplus-mittens-with-wool-liner-black.aspx?a=916824

For riding in extreme cold, check out Empire's ice mittens. They are very popular with the fat bike crowd.

http://www.empirecanvasworks.com/icebikemittens.htm

[Gummee]

Alago commuter gloves (http://www.bikeradar.com/commuting/news/article/alago-commuter-heated-cycling-glove-36184/)

Microwave em!

M

[christian]

The mittens that Christian recommends are available for just over $16.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/new-swedish-military-surplus-mittens-with-wool-liner-black.aspx?a=916824


These are actually the ones we wore:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/2-prs-of-used-swedish-military-white-mittens-with-gray-wool-liners.aspx?a=1123958

But we tossed the liners and used a Lovikka mitten or Dachstein/Ortovox boiled wool mitten. Those liners would be fine to about -10 or -15 C though.

[zennmotion]

I have gloves coming out of my ears (visualize that). The normal half finger gloves for warm weather. When a little colder I like those same gloves with some thin full finger liners underneath. Then when the temp clicks down a notch, I have some full finger Windstopper ones that work well at about 50 degrees. Any lower temp than that, I begin to wus out.

What would you recommend for a wus at under 50 degrees? I know a true wus would just stay inside and bitch, but I'd rather ride and be warm.
Layering (gloves) are too bulky for the shifters, feel constricting and they're fussy to put on and off while riding and for this reason layering doesn't work so well for cycling IMO- at least until you get below 15degF or so when at some point it may be your only option. Invest in a decent pair of winter gloves (whatever that means to you in the Bay Area...)
Swix cross country ski gloves are my go-to for anything above freezing. Very flexible- good feel for the shifters and pocket rummaging, windproof, stay reasonably warm when wet, comfortable for fixing snot rockets, and they seem to last forever- I have several pair- I keep losing one, then finding it later. Plus they're snug at the wrist but easy to remove and put back on with your teeth mid-group ride without stopping. For when you need a fig newton at the bottom of your jersey pocket and you can't stop... Classic model is a little lighter, good to freezing temp, Cross model is a little warmer, both are comfortable through a large range of temps, they breathe well despite being windproof. Look for these at REI- which has a great return policy even if you wear them for a few rides and don't like them.
http://www.swixsport.com/eway/default.aspx?pid=278&trg=MainPage_6117&MainContent_6179=6117:0:24,2779&MainPage_6117=6138:42986::0:6144:5:::0:0

[patstar]

I've been wearing snowboard gloves on my 30 degree morning commute.

[zennmotion]

I also have a pair of taped and sealed NRS neoprene paddlers gloves. I seldom use them, because they're only great in conditions that are plain crazy and best avoided- 35-45 degrees in pouring rain. They're a pain to put on on the fly, and your hands sweat in them, but your hands at least will stay warm and functional. Designed for cold water kayaking, but great for riding epics, apocalyptic cyclocross, spring classics, and trench warfare. You only need them a few times a year but when you need them you need them and really nothing else will work in those conditions.
http://www.rei.com/product/832804/nrs-rogue-paddling-gloves-mens

[Likes2ridefar]

sort of related to this topic...

This morning I commuted in about 2-3" of slush, started in ice pellets which eventually changed to rain, and the slush on the ground eventually turned to mushy wet stuff with puddles all over. temp hovered right around freezing and above.

after the ride, Nothing was wet besides my head a bit because I took off the hood after awhile due to heat buildup. i have full fenders on the commuter but they don't keep the splash off my feet and lower legs at higher speeds.

I wore shimano mt70 mtb shoes which are a commuter/gore tex shoe.

Outdoor research crocodile gaiters - these could be exchanged for something smaller and not so heavy duty and probably work fine still.

waterproof pants and jacket with hood that fits over my helmet (arcteryx stuff from my hiking collection). some long underwear under both.

serius extreme gloves - basically a heavier fleece glove that is softshell like and waterproof

i thought maybe some rain would run down my pants inside the gaiters and make my socks wet but it was minimal if any. i'm sure with very heavy rain or all day adventures eventually the sock would get wet.

[christian]

Tomorrow will be better - bare roads, but cold! I'm going to stay off the SCT and just ride 9A down to Yonkers at least. I'm considering double tights...

[Likes2ridefar]

The colder the better although it may be very icy and I don't have my studded tires in the city yet!

[rwsaunders]

Put these in the microwave with your Hot Pockets and popcorn...

http://www.bikeradar.com/commuting/news/article/alago-commuter-heated-cycling-glove-36184

[christian]

The colder the better although it may be very icy and I don't have my studded tires in the city yet!

Yeah, I'm riding 23s still, so I am sticking to the main roads. Will probably have to walk over the Broadway bridge.