View Full Version : new world hours record?
ada@prorider.or
10-26-2005, 04:59 PM
well they say he can generate 550 1 hour in this position
he will then ride all hour world hour records
and also up hill on alpe huez he will much faster the
pantani becuase there weight is not that differant
but there power out put for 1 hour would be a huge differance
at my approx calc he would ride more the 60 km/h
well impressive!!!!!
well at least for those who have endless beleive in
................. :fight:
dauwhe
10-26-2005, 05:03 PM
This will make more sense after seeing http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/9083.0.html
DC
there is no way that guy can put out 550 watts for a solid hour. if that was true, he could solo break away from any peloton in any race and gain time.
not likely.
jerk
Cadence230
10-26-2005, 05:35 PM
Un flippin' real. I wish, i wish, I wish...
Fixed
10-26-2005, 05:39 PM
bro more salesmanship for sponsers i.m.h.o. :beer:
Sandy
10-26-2005, 08:57 PM
there is no way that guy can put out 550 watts for a solid hour. if that was true, he could solo break away from any peloton in any race and gain time.
not likely.
jerk
I can put out 100 watts for 4 minutes. I guess that you don't believe that either. :)
So Strong So Serotta Sandy
93legendti
10-26-2005, 11:30 PM
well they say he can generate 550 1 hour in this position
he will then ride all hour world hour records
and also up hill on alpe huez he will much faster the
pantani becuase there weight is not that differant
but there power out put for 1 hour would be a huge differance
at my approx calc he would ride more the 60 km/h
well impressive!!!!!
well at least for those who have endless beleive in
................. :fight:
The article says around 500 watts for an hour, not 550 watts for an hour:
"...In testing performed in Spain, the 153-pound Sanchez and lighter Contador have both demonstrated the ability to put out impressive power, hovering around 500 Watts continuously over an hour time trial..."
http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/9083.0.html
ada@prorider.or
10-27-2005, 07:15 AM
The article says around 500 watts for an hour, not 550 watts for an hour:
"...In testing performed in Spain, the 153-pound Sanchez and lighter Contador have both demonstrated the ability to put out impressive power, hovering around 500 Watts continuously over an hour time trial..."
http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/9083.0.html
well its how you want to read it
but even 500 watts gives us a new world record time trial for a hour
well i can generate 1800 watts but only 5 sec
and some top sprinters 2200 for 10 sec
try to put 500 watts your selve then you can experiance what it is only for 5 min i bet you cannot hold that
Ken Lehner
10-27-2005, 07:17 AM
The article says around 500 watts for an hour, not 550 watts for an hour:
"...In testing performed in Spain, the 153-pound Sanchez and lighter Contador have both demonstrated the ability to put out impressive power, hovering around 500 Watts continuously over an hour time trial..."
http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/9083.0.html
Still nonsense. We're talking Indurain wattage, 10kg lighter, and much better aerodynamic position. No f'in' way.
Maybe 500 Watts, for large values of 400...
Dr. Doofus
10-27-2005, 07:19 AM
if he cheats to break the hr record
would that make him a dirty sanchez?
dirtdigger88
10-27-2005, 07:25 AM
if he cheats to break the hr record
would that make him a dirty sanchez?
:beer:
Jason
93legendti
10-27-2005, 07:44 AM
well its how you want to read it
but even 500 watts gives us a new world record time trial for a hour
well i can generate 1800 watts but only 5 sec
and some top sprinters 2200 for 10 sec
try to put 500 watts your selve then you can experiance what it is only for 5 min i bet you cannot hold that
I read 500 as being 500, not 500 as 550. Don't you? It's a 9% percent difference. Where does it say 550 here?
http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/9083.0.html
Argos
10-27-2005, 08:50 AM
I've been puttin out 20, maybe 30 watts, just reading this thread. I need an Iced tea.
Maybe a peanut butter and fluff sandwich, too. Back later guys, gotta fatten this pig for the winter! :)
ada@prorider.or
10-27-2005, 08:56 AM
I read 500 as being 500, not 500 as 550. Don't you? It's a 9% percent difference. Where does it say 550 here?
http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/9083.0.html
under the pic of the rider in tunnel
manet
10-27-2005, 09:02 AM
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manet
10-27-2005, 09:05 AM
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93legendti
10-27-2005, 09:32 AM
under the pic of the rider in tunnel
Yes, it says there: "Luis Leon Sanchez generates between 500 and 550 watts in this position".
But it didn't say he generated 550 watts for an hour in that position anywhere in the article. Doesn't matter to me either way. Sorry the article bugged you. Cheers!! :)
Sandy
10-27-2005, 09:36 AM
maybe they meant volts:
http://www.unc.edu/~ertaylor/images/bicycle%20subway.jpg
Any bicycle rider dumb enough to ride in a subway tunnel is going to get killed sooner or later, so why not let him or her go ride in the tunnel and get it over with a little bit sooner? :rolleyes:
Subway Sandy
ada@prorider.or
10-27-2005, 10:18 AM
Doesn't matter to me either way. Sorry the article bugged you. Cheers!! :)
well its or you want to tell the truth or fairy tails
its a matter of attitude on this level that makes me think
mike p
10-27-2005, 12:04 PM
What ever happened LA's hr attempt? I feel ripped off.
late this past summer I had the chance to chat with one of the top coaches in Carmichael's group and I asked him the same question. He told me that the tests indicated that Lance would break the record but not "smash" (the word used) it. I guess smash is where the man is at.
keno
Ti Designs
10-27-2005, 07:20 PM
The Liberty team had their "event" at my shop, from there they went over to MIT to do some wind tunnel testing. I heard they had never tested anyone with lower drag numbers, and that he put out over 500 watts for an hour. From this they concluded that he would be winning any time trial he wanted to.
I don't think so.
First, the numbers posted, either power or drag, for any rider are about as reliable as a long range weather forcast. Second, the geek squad over at MIT don't understand human factors. Third, a real time trial isn't about tested average power outputs and drag numbers, it's a real event that will have a different outcome each time. I remember Rominger beating big Mig and Botero beating Lance - was there something I missed???
Wait til next racing season and see what happens. If he's winning time trials, he's the real thing (or drug testing is getting tighter). If not then it's another case of the so called experts looking at too few parameters. In any case, they would do best not to make such claims.
ada@prorider.or
10-27-2005, 08:01 PM
T First, the numbers posted, either power or drag, for any rider are about as reliable as a long range weather forcast.
well power output is not depanding on weather fore cast
and drag is measure at certain speed and calc with regards to temp humidity and and pressure
so the drag is basicly indepandent from them
at least to my aerodynamic know how
or did you had another shool?
i am easger to learn
drag force is some else as drag
drag is a coeffient and drag force is a sum
ada@prorider.or
10-27-2005, 08:02 PM
well power output is not depanding on weather fore cast
and drag is measure at certain speed and calc with regards to temp humidity and and pressure
so the drag is basicly indepandent from them
at least to my aerodynamic know how
or did you had another shool?
i am easger to learn
drag force is some else as drag
drag is a coeffient and drag force is a sum
Aerodynamic drag = 1/2 D x A x Vsquared
.
ada@prorider.or
10-27-2005, 08:08 PM
meaby this helps
http://www.skytran.net/18EnergyEff/02Energy.htm
and if the power out put is not measure good and also not the drag why then measure
??????????????
well meaby that's why the dutch solar team won
again the across austrialia race meaby they did understand why to measure aero drag and power out put
:banana: :banana: :banana:
Ti Designs
10-29-2005, 09:18 PM
well power output is not depanding on weather fore cast
I never said power output was related to the weather forcast, I said the reported numbers are as reliable as the weather forcast. If you think that winning results 6 months from now can be told from wind tunnel tests now, we need to open the betting.
and drag is measure at certain speed and calc with regards to temp humidity and and pressure
so the drag is basicly indepandent from them
at least to my aerodynamic know how
or did you had another shool?
I leaned what I know about aerodynamic testing at the wind tunnel and wave tank at MIT, where the testing in question was done. It's a lab with a controlled number of variables, real life riding is different. In the wind tunnel you can pull back the aero helmet and put your head down, decreasing the low pressure zone at the base of the neck. In real life you kinda have to look where you're going. Little things...
Fixed
10-29-2005, 09:32 PM
bro they paid the money they got the good news or the news for their sponsers i.m.h.o. they bought results they wanted and dude I'm not saying this guys not a stud but I know experts and money .cheers :beer:
Andreu
10-30-2005, 02:51 AM
you'd be surprised how much weather forecast would affect a ride like this. Air pressure, humidity, heat atc - we are not machines (and even some machines are affected by weather). You guys want to ride on the track for even 30 minutes on the rivet.
"real life riding is different" .....so true!
A
ada@prorider.or
10-30-2005, 05:50 AM
you'd be surprised how much weather forecast would affect a ride like this. Air pressure, humidity, heat atc - we are not machines (and even some machines are affected by weather). You guys want to ride on the track for even 30 minutes on the rivet.
"real life riding is different" .....so true!
A
i agree to certain degree
thats called the abilty of the rider to perform so he can put the power that is stated
i only wanted to say that i doubt in any idea situation he did 550 or 500 watts a hour
what i wanted to explain is that the power figure is indepandant of weather
ok i know sometimes in my active period i feel very good in heavy rain and also in light snowy conditions
i had my best recorded times and feeled great
but even when i felt loozy my power out was lower
but that what i called human performance
i have done enough experiance with testing on several people and races to know how it varies
even at world level the mind can bring to big performance gains
ada@prorider.or
10-30-2005, 05:53 AM
I never said power output was related to the weather forcast, I said the reported numbers are as reliable as the weather forcast. If you think that winning results 6 months from now can be told from wind tunnel tests now, we need to open the betting.
I leaned what I know about aerodynamic testing at the wind tunnel and wave tank at MIT, where the testing in question was done. It's a lab with a controlled number of variables, real life riding is different. In the wind tunnel you can pull back the aero helmet and put your head down, decreasing the low pressure zone at the base of the neck. In real life you kinda have to look where you're going. Little things...
yes this done very simple
like for the richer people with peower meter on the bike
the other simple testing a certain track an time period in the same position
Too Tall
10-30-2005, 06:07 AM
http://www.analyticcycling.com/ForcesSpeed_Page.html
Cadence230
10-30-2005, 07:41 AM
bro they paid the money they got the good news or the news for their sponsers i.m.h.o. they bought results they wanted and dude I'm not saying this guys not a stud but I know experts and money .cheers :beer:
Way to stick it to the MAN! :)
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