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wc1934
12-07-2012, 08:48 PM
Wish I could understand Italian
Love the way he could climb while in the drops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-J2bIsPDH8

Elefantino
12-07-2012, 09:06 PM
Very bittersweet.

majorpat
12-08-2012, 08:20 AM
Awesome, dope or no dope that chase took some guts. Not even a hand lifted at the finish line.

oldpotatoe
12-08-2012, 08:35 AM
Wish I could understand Italian
Love the way he could climb while in the drops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-J2bIsPDH8

That era, playing field was pretty flat...I like Il Pirate.

velotel
12-08-2012, 09:19 AM
So do I.

saab2000
12-08-2012, 09:22 AM
That era, playing field was pretty flat...I like Il Pirate.

I like him too. That said, word is that the playing field was not level even for the big guys. Most money = best doctors and best 'prep'.

Don't wish to get embroiled in the doping debate. It happened and everyone loved the riding back then. I think Pantani would have been just as spectacular in the mountains with or without enhancements. But he never would have been a Tour or Giro winner. The TTs would never have been possible.

I had a buddy when I lived in Europe who raced against Pantani in the so-called Baby Giro in about 1990. Guy was better than anyone else then too.

Very tragic end to his life and cycling is poorer for him being gone.

Edit: I think 1999 was the year he was ejected for elevated blood values. I was rather shocked that a national hero was thrown out, but it goes to show that even then there were those taking the problem seriously.

One more edit: People often forget that he returned from a terrible crash only about 3 years prior to this. He had a very bad compound leg fracture in a race and I thought his career might be over. Enhancements or not, this return to the highest level took raw courage and hard work.

victoryfactory
12-08-2012, 10:05 AM
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thanks for posting.

binxnyrwarrsoul
12-08-2012, 11:56 AM
...I like Il Pirate.

I liked him, too. Not a robot. Had the balls to tell LA to eff off (on and off the bike), when few did. His suicide breakaways were epic. And he rode a Bianchi. :cool:

"..........cycling is poorer for him being gone."

AgilisMerlin
12-08-2012, 10:04 PM
thanks so much

trying to find this again, little while ago :D

aaronf
12-09-2012, 07:59 AM
Also nice to see and be reminded just how smooth Jalabert's pedal stroke was.
Not that Pantani was exactly pedalling squares either.

gianni
12-09-2012, 08:22 AM
Thanks for posting. Forza il Pirato!

sailorboy
12-09-2012, 09:13 AM
standing up climbing, for nearly 10 minutes straight, at the end of a full stage...better racing through chemistry.

It's even more painfully obvious now with what we know about the doping that went on. I guess we were all just so caught up in the drama of it that we didn't realize just how ridiculous the speeds they were climbing up hills and didn't question it more.

wc1934
12-09-2012, 08:10 PM
standing up climbing, for nearly 10 minutes straight, at the end of a full stage...better racing through chemistry.

It's even more painfully obvious now with what we know about the doping that went on. I guess we were all just so caught up in the drama of it that we didn't realize just how ridiculous the speeds they were climbing up hills and didn't question it more.

Did not intend to start a discussion about doping - I just marveled at Pantani's ability to stand and climb while in the drops - The balance, power, and stamina required is amazing - not many are able to master this technique (with or without drugs).

dana_e
12-09-2012, 08:18 PM
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SolidSnake03
12-09-2012, 09:09 PM
I think part of the allure of Pantani, at least for me, has always been that he was flawed, that he was not some perfect person or perfect athlete. He had some demons, bad one's, that haunted him like they do everybody else. Guess that's what always attracted me to him, because I felt like we had something in common there....

jmoore
12-09-2012, 09:16 PM
I have never seen that footage. The chase back and utter obliteration of everyone in the field was fantastic. That was a climbing clinic by a master.