USADA puts an end to Comeback 3.0

[CunegoFan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/othersports/lance-armstrong-faces-fresh-doping-charges-from-usada/2012/06/13/gJQAefnPaV_story.html

[sc53]

Just saw that! So now we are on to Doping Investigation 2.0. When does he just confess and end all this?

[CunegoFan]

Just saw that! So now we are on to Doping Investigation 2.0. When does he just confess and end all this?

Armstrong will lie about it until the day he dies. The Men's Journal article makes it clear that he is has taken to heart what Dubya once said. "You can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool some of the people all the time. Those are the ones you need to concentrate on." He has decided the true believers will believe him no matter what, so there is no reason to tell the truth.

[54ny77]

Never!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NPeIdlHaoaQ/TF19lUlUbqI/AAAAAAAAHHw/ml-3zlY1qsU/s400/ahab.jpg



When does he just confess and end all this?

[verticaldoug]

I am bummed. I was enjoying watching Lance kick butt on the triathletes during the bike leg. Now that he has figured out his nutrition with the run, I actually think he had a chance to win Kona. Now we'll never know.

At this point, the whole thing seems a stupid waste of money in my opinion.

[ultraman6970]

Sincerely? The bus left long time ago... too late to catch it. Not a fan of the guy as a person but I believe they have better stuff to do nowadays. This will become a you said, he said stuff again and then 2 more years and stuff.

HE was banned from triathlon, this will include UCI ? if not then he can race.

[CunegoFan]

I am bummed. I was enjoying watching Lance kick butt on the triathletes during the bike leg. Now that he has figured out his nutrition with the run, I actually think he had a chance to win Kona. Now we'll never know.

At this point, the whole thing seems a stupid waste of money in my opinion.

I am sure it is all down to nutrition on the run. :rolleyes:

For a hardcore doper who has been at it for twenty years, beating up pro triathletes, many of whom barely eek out a living, is probably like shooting fish in a barrel.

Armstrong is racing as a professional athlete right now. He was not smart enough to go quietly into retirement like Indurain. Instead he had to keep waving the red cape in front of the bull.

[gdw]

Yawn.

[craptacular]

http://lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance-armstrong-responds-to-usada-allegation

And his response

[Steve in SLO]

Good Lord

[bozman]

give it a rest. who cares? doesn't USADA have better things to do with their time and money?

[Tony T]

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I'm surprised that the USADA didn't wait until June 30th to announce.
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[Ti Designs]

Armstrong will lie about it until the day he dies.

That's just not the same type of swift justice it was in the early days of doping...

[laupsi]

Good Lord

no, no, no...

first he needs to come to his knees and accept he's mortal like all others. then the dead horse will have been beaten.

[rpm]

It's been a tough week for Johan.

[PQJ]

give it a rest. who cares? doesn't USADA have better things to do with their time and money?

Totally agree. The United States Anti-Doping Agency should spend its time and money catching doping cheats and deterring future doping cheats. :eek: Oh, wait, never mind.

[HenryA]

Armstrong will lie about it until the day he dies. The Men's Journal article makes it clear that he is has taken to heart what Dubya once said. "You can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool some of the people all the time. Those are the ones you need to concentrate on." He has decided the true believers will believe him no matter what, so there is no reason to tell the truth.

A spectacularly asinine post.

[Viper]

That's just not the same type of swift justice it was in the early days of doping...

The long sleep from EPO with blood as thick as gear oil. Perhaps Fignon said it best, as he knew:

http://images.borders.com.au/images/bau/97802240/9780224083195/0/0/plain/we-were-young-and-carefree-the-autobiography-of-laurent-fignon.jpg

Contador had a brain aneurysm, did EPO or drugs play a role? I suspect there will be more Fignons years from now. As far as this latest USADA 'ban', I am shocked and did not forsee this event at all. They must have something concrete, actual blood samples from 2009 and 2010. If they do, they do. And if they do, attack Armstrong on 2009 and 2010's results, but if you do not have blood and evidence for le 7 Tours, I say to USADA, go **** yourselves and STFU.

[BumbleBeeDave]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-wants-to-tell-nation-something-but,17973/

;)

[CunegoFan]

A spectacularly asinine post.

Fcuk you.

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[Hawker]

No longer a fan, but I was sorta interested in seeing what he could do at Kona.

Wonder if Horner and Hincapie will get scooped up in any of this as former mates?

[ClutchCargo]

give it a rest. who cares? doesn't USADA have better things to do with their time and money?

apparently not.
(except, yo, they're funding mostly by Congressional grants. so, it's, like, our money!)

[firerescuefin]

A spectacularly asinine post.

What about the way Armstrong has carried himself and perpetrated the "lie" makes a sentence of Cunego's post inaccurate. The only people that believe Lance are those that choose to remain ignorant, because they want to believe the dream.

[Earl Gray]

Fcuk you.

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Nice.

P.s. Nan nan na boo boo you can catch him!

[gdw]

"What about the way Armstrong has carried himself and perpetrated the "lie" makes a sentence of Cunego's post inaccurate."

His post probably refers to the George W quote. Bringing W into the thread was pretty lame.

As to whether Armstrong did or didn't dope.... most people have a life and really don't care. The Armstrong saga is pathetic and makes pro cycling look pathetic and the USADA vindictive and petty.

[Earl Gray]

No longer a fan, but I was sorta interested in seeing what he could do at Kona....

I'd be willing to make a small wager that this will not keep him from racing Kona.

[Elefantino]

I will not rule out Comeback 3.0 until the rollout on June 30!

:fight:

[firerescuefin]

"What about the way Armstrong has carried himself and perpetrated the "lie" makes a sentence of Cunego's post inaccurate."

His post probably refers to the George W quote. Bringing W into the thread was pretty lame.

As to whether Armstrong did or didn't dope.... most people have a life and really don't care. The Armstrong saga is pathetic and makes pro cycling look pathetic and the USADA vindictive and petty.

This is my last post on the matter, because your right...it's pretty tired.

If the allegations that USADA are moving forward with are true, they are neither vindictive or petty. They are doing their job. Lance has been an arrogant, lying, dick IMO for a long time, and has treated a lot of people like sh*t. Personally, I like seeing people like that brought to justice.

[Earl Gray]

This is my last post on the matter, because your right...it's pretty tired.

If the allegations that USADA are moving forward with are true, they are neither vindictive or petty. They are doing their job. Lance has been an arrogant, lying, dick IMO for a long time, and has treated a lot of people like sh*t. Personally, I like seeing people like that brought to justice.

Thankfully, justice is not served based on your (or my) opinion.

ATMO's are like A-holes, blah, blah, blah.

[firerescuefin]

Thankfully, justice is not served based on your (or my) opinion.

ATMO's are like A-holes, blah, blah, blah.

Agreed....on all accounts.

[Fixed]

I wish I had the talent that is in lance little finger



That is what she said
Cheers :eek:

[David Kirk]

So .......... if they get this to go through and tour victories are pulled who will they give them to? What are the chances that the guy who took second was clean?

They might have to go pretty far down the list. Hell - maybe I won!!!

dave

[54ny77]

how'd you like to come home to a letter like this in your mailbox?

"hi honey, welcome home. what? did I check the mail? yeah. we got a val-pack coupon clipper, the gas bill, and you got something from usada-something. must be a charity/fundraising thing, i dunno."

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/armstrongcharging0613.pdf

[1centaur]

Good thing Hincapie's decided to retire...

[ultraman6970]

What it will happen to hamilton and landis now? If all of this falls though, then means that both of them never lied, it means that are hero's or something??

[Bob Loblaw]

This will never, ever be over. USADA will shut Lance out of competition for two years and then close the investigation. Then WADA will take over, then CAS. Then civil suits.

This is no longer even a caricature of justice. The Lance Witch-hunt is nothing but a time/money bonfire with lawyers gleefully dancing around it.

BL

[Elefantino]

It's been here before, but it's a list worth remembering. There will be no Andy Schleck or Oscar Pereiro-like ceremonies for The Seven Tours if LA's wins are vacated:

1999
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO)
3. Fernando Escartín (systematic Festina team doping exposed in ‘04, but he was never busted)
4. Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO)
5. Ángel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2000
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO)
5. Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO)

2001
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Andrei Kivilev (dead)
5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2002
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Raimondas Rumšas (Suspended in ‘03 for doping)
4. Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2003
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)
4. Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping)
5. Haimar Zubeldia

2004
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08)
3. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
4. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2005
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
3. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)

[bart998]

This will never, ever be over. USADA will shut Lance out of competition for two years and then close the investigation. Then WADA will take over, then CAS. Then civil suits.

This is no longer even a caricature of justice. The Lance Witch-hunt is nothing but a time/money bonfire with lawyers gleefully dancing around it.

BL

I say we grab the torches and pitchforks and march on the USADA now. Not a Lance fan, it's hard to respect a man who dumps his wife and kids for a rock star, but leave the man alone. If you only have the tired old "witnesses" with no credibility that were used before.... fa'ghetaboutit. Oh wait... they have 4 year old blood that's been tested umpteen times before with no results.... NOW it's positive? Unlikely. More likely tampered with or contaminated in a lab somewhere.

[67-59]

If Lance's wins ever got vacated and they went down the list to find a clean rider, the Lanterne Rouge would likely also be the Maillot Jaune....

[wooly]

Fcuk you.

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I've read your posts for a handful of months and your points are always well thought out. But I don't think this response was warranted.

[laupsi]

this is it folks, just like Sagan winning flat stages in recent tours w/out MC, it was very predictable. an ominous sign when the Feds dropped their case against LA so abruptly, the other shoe had yet to fall.

respect the man, love the man, hate the man we all have opinions. do not lose sight of the truth people, in the history of the TDF those who cheat and got caught have been relegated and dethroned, go back as far as you want, it's all there.

constant utterances that "I never tested positive" just ain't true folks. said repeatedly, a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie. he's tested positive it was just never made official. not until now!

[thinpin]

I've read your posts for a handful of months and your points are always well thought out. But I don't think this response was warranted.

The "assinine" comment was unnecessary, especially without clarification. The occasional profanity is a fact of life.

As for Mr A I believe it's important to follow through to the bitter end. Leaving him off the hook will send the wrong message, and provide a blueprint for future cheaters to follow.

[Rueda Tropical]

I am bummed. I was enjoying watching Lance kick butt on the triathletes during the bike leg. Now that he has figured out his nutrition with the run, I actually think he had a chance to win Kona. Now we'll never know.

At this point, the whole thing seems a stupid waste of money in my opinion.

Money is already spent. The feds collected all the evidence and spent the money. They were the only ones with the authority to make everyone spill the beans. Now that they turned over everything to the sporting authorities it's a done deal.

[Fixed]

This will never, ever be over. USADA will shut Lance out of competition for two years and then close the investigation. Then WADA will take over, then CAS. Then civil suits.

This is no longer even a caricature of justice. The Lance Witch-hunt is nothing but a time/money bonfire with lawyers gleefully dancing around it.

BL

+1
Cheers

[rain dogs]

http://lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance-armstrong-responds-to-usada-allegation

And his response

Hmmm. Interesting. I'd almost even say ....that's funny.

Didn't LA just say this on May 10th?:

“I’d never waste another minute trying to convince somebody I’m innocent,” said the Texan. “I think everybody’s made up their minds. Nobody’s on the fence about me anymore. blah...blah..blah...”

People agree this is a waste of time and money. If they feel that way, fine, but it could all be over in 5 minutes if Lance would just stop and tell the truth.

USADA has 10 cyclists now!.... 10! Seriously, Lance, if you're honestly concerned about tax payer money and not building a strawman, then stop wasting everyone's money.

It's the story of the whispering weeds and the King's secret. The truth will always come out, it wants to, and it has to.

[BumbleBeeDave]

. . . "asinine" and "FU" then I think we're done here.

BBD

[Ahneida Ride]

ATMO's are like A-holes, blah, blah, blah.


Inappropriate comment ! :butt:

[Ahneida Ride]

Fcuk you.

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again .... not appreciated here at this Phorum. :butt:

this Phorum has a long history not reverting to 4 letter words.