Ugly incident at Speed Week criterium

[fiamme red]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/05/news/intentional-crit-crash-during-speed-week-puts-kendas-isaac-howe-out_216880

[tannhauser]

Both got what they deserved.

[firerescuefin]

Comments are more interesting than the article.

I've learned apologizing and moving on...even it it's not your fault works out better than antagonizing an already angry guy.

[William]

They're crits, stuff happens...

http://53x11.com/docs/auburn-crit-crash-cwc.jpg

Just don't do anything stupid that will endanger others.





William

[azrider]

That picture.....is awesome.

[eippo1]

Hmm. I would find it hard to believe that multiple witnesses would exaggerate someone pulling him down by the bars. Most likely is that the guy who did it regrets and and feels bad but isn't going to admit it since it would mean at least a partial ban.

[sandyrs]

That picture.....is awesome.

if you hang around collegiate crits long enough, you're bound to be able to replicate that picture. at nationals this weekend one of my teammates almost got taken out by a rider's head going into his rear wheel:bike:

[nooneline]

Both got what they deserved.

Gee, that's a nasty sentiment, especially considering that Howe is a pretty good guy (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5099/Mountain-Khakiss-Isaac-Howe-saves-a-fellow-riders-life-in-Virginia-race.aspx).

In a bike race, mocking somebody for being aggro is a pretty good way to defuse things. It's a way of saying, deal with it (http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu341ztUDH1r5qrimo1_400.gif). There's absolutely no equality between one person using words (what'd we learn in kindergarten?) and somebody allegedly taking violent action that could lead a reasonable person to conclude that they both got what they deserved... since one of them has a potentially wrecked season, and the other doesn't.

[firerescuefin]

In a bike race, mocking somebody for being aggro is a pretty good way to defuse things.

Don't know about bike racing, but in life, mocking someone who is aggro is a GREAT way to diffuse things....if you want to get punched in the face.

[FlashUNC]

Seems to have been handled poorly all around. But that's no excuse for the allegation the one guy intentionally wrecked the other.

This is one of a laundry list of reasons why I stopped doing crits....

[tannhauser]

Gee, that's a nasty sentiment, especially considering that Howe is a pretty good guy (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5099/Mountain-Khakiss-Isaac-Howe-saves-a-fellow-riders-life-in-Virginia-race.aspx).

In a bike race, mocking somebody for being aggro is a pretty good way to defuse things. It's a way of saying, deal with it (http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu341ztUDH1r5qrimo1_400.gif). There's absolutely no equality between one person using words (what'd we learn in kindergarten?) and somebody allegedly taking violent action that could lead a reasonable person to conclude that they both got what they deserved... since one of them has a potentially wrecked season, and the other doesn't.

Nice guy off the bike perhaps, but in this case clearly not on the bike.

Perhaps Atkins won't be so aggro from now on and Howe won't be so quick to tell a guy twice his size to go eff himself.

[67-59]

In a bike race, mocking somebody for being aggro is a pretty good way to defuse things.

I don't race, but this sounds pretty odd.

Do other racers agree or disagree that this is a good tactic for defusing aggressive behavior in a race?

[firerescuefin]

I don't race, but this sounds pretty odd.

Do other racers agree or disagree that this is a good tactic for defusing aggressive behavior in a race?


No...it is not a good tactic.

If it's worked for you in the past, count yourself lucky...kind of like spinning the chamber of a revolver with a single bullet, pulling the trigger, and getting away with it....it's still a bad practice.

[tannhauser]

I don't race, but this sounds pretty odd.

Do other racers agree or disagree that this is a good tactic for defusing aggressive behavior in a race?

Depends on the age and size of the other guy!

Old grizzly bear rules the roost in that there South, I guess.

[54ny77]

Hey, rubbin's racin'. Oh wait, that's Nascar.....

Yeah I'd say intentionally pulling on someone's bars during a race is a major no-no.

[54ny77]

This photo is NUTS! Is it real or photoshopped?

Wow. "Mommmmmmy!!!!!!"

They're crits, stuff happens...

http://53x11.com/docs/auburn-crit-crash-cwc.jpg

[nooneline]

"Haha, chill, it's a bike race" is a pretty standard retort to just about anything.

[tannhauser]

"Haha, chill, it's a bike race" is a pretty standard retort to just about anything.

You don't watch the NBA playoffs and say, "That's litigious!" do you?

[firerescuefin]

"Haha, chill, it's a bike race" is a pretty standard retort to just about anything.

That's not mocking somebody...I'll move on.

[GregL]

At the amateur level, I've seen some attitude, but no deliberately dangerous riding. At the US domestic pro level (where most pros are living the $15K/year dream...), I've witnessed some deliberate hooks. I once watched a well-known domestic pro try to ride a competitor into a curb to win a cash prime. We (the USA Cycling officials at the race) DQ'd him immediately. I don't recall if the chief official took any further action.

- Greg