Taylor Phinney - includes SPOILER content

[merlincustom1]

What kind of a boob can't put his chain back on?

[Tom]

Andy Schleck?

[avalonracing]

He may think "What kinda boob can't train hard enough to ride the Giro?"

Actually, I've know a couple of Cat 1 racers who didn't know how to do the most basic maintenance. It's because as soon as they started riding they were good enough that they were sponsored and because they were racing they left all bike work to the pros who knew what they were doing.

Taylor Phinney probably does know his way around a bike but if you think about it he has probably had his own expertly maintained bikes since he was a toddler.

[William]

Andy Schleck?

http://www.everymantri.com/.a/6a00d83451b18a69e20133f26660bc970b-600wi





William

[bostondrunk]

What kind of a boob can't put his chain back on?

The simplest tasks can be quite difficult when you've been exercising at threshold for several hours, and then put into a panic situation.
Like when you're sprinting on those hot nemesis rims for the best seat at the donut shop after your 30km Saturday world championships club ride...

[Bruce K]

Taylor is far from a boob

How about being 19ish, in the jersey, crashing very near the stage end, being one of "America's Next Young Gins", and being the son of Davis and Connie?

Do you think there might just be a little pressure involved?

The kid is actually pretty good at bike mechanics but do you even know if the chain was wedged in or any of the details?

When you are in that position, please let us know how you fare.

Until then, please give the kid a break.

BK

[FlashUNC]

Isn't this a moot criticism because he, yanno, kept the jersey and all?

[laupsi]

Taylor is far from a boob

How about being 19ish, in the jersey, crashing very near the stage end, being one of "America's Next Young Gins", and being the son of Davis and Connie?

Do you think there might just be a little pressure involved?

The kid is actually pretty good at bike mechanics but do you even know if the chain was wedged in or any of the details?

When you are in that position, please let us know how you fare.

Until then, please give the kid a break.

BK

no boob in my book either; Taylor did magange to catch that freight train and at the most critical point in the race, some 60kph? how many others on the forum can fall off the back of a local race and catch back on? perspective people!!!

[Liv2RideHard]

Taylor is far from a boob

How about being 19ish, in the jersey, crashing very near the stage end, being one of "America's Next Young Gins", and being the son of Davis and Connie?

Do you think there might just be a little pressure involved?

The kid is actually pretty good at bike mechanics but do you even know if the chain was wedged in or any of the details?

When you are in that position, please let us know how you fare.

Until then, please give the kid a break.

BK

Hear Hear. Give him a break. He was trying to put it back on until the team car came up along and the mechanic jumped out. I can't imagine what his heart rate must have been at that moment. Even the most mundane task for most of us would quickly turn complicated under such circumstances...final 10k, wicked fast, some tricky traffic furniture, in the leaders jersey in the Giro...21 yrs old. He handled it well. Did not panic and they got back on.

[flydhest]

curious why the OP decided to lob such a crap bomb.

[firerescuefin]

curious why the OP decided to lob such a crap bomb.

Perhaps he was a boob once and was wanting boob transference to take place...kinda like.."tag, you're it"

Added:
I can tell you that in my own experience that urgency and adrenalin are not your friend in situations like that. You literally need to slow down to go fast...and it's very conscious...and is learned over time. Wiggins, a week before (after winning the final TT at Romandie)...said he was most proud of how calm he stayed when he had a similar mechanical...there's a reason he felt that way.

[AngryScientist]

curious why the OP decided to lob such a crap bomb.

i donno, i'll give the OP the benefit of doubt and think he probably just picked a comical way to start a conversation about the incident. i doubt he actually meant any disrespect to Taylor.

[victoryfactory]

It was thrilling to see T Phinney and his team get back to the group
before the finish. Shows quality. Remember that he crashed! He didn't just
lose a chain!
The pink jersey will mean that much more today at the start. Every other rider in the
race and every knowledgeable spectator and fan saw that and will be thinking
about Taylor in a different way compared to if he just had an uneventful
stage and held the jersey in a more conventional way.

VF

BTW, The only thing that A Schleck and T Phinney have in common as bike
racers is that they are both tall.

Tayor Phinney, when asked if he was OK after the crash: "I tumble well"
He seems to have a bit of his dad's fire in him, no?

[cmg]

It was thrilling to see T Phinney and his team get back to the group
before the finish. Shows quality. Remember that he crashed! He didn't just
lose a chain!
The pink jersey will mean that much more today at the start. Every other rider in the
race and every knowledgeable spectator and fan saw that and will be thinking
about Taylor in a different way compared to if he just had an uneventful
stage and held the jersey in a more conventional way.

VF

BTW, The only thing that A Schleck and T Phinney have in common as bike
racers is that they are both tall.

Tayor Phinney, when asked if he was OK after the crash: "I tumble well"
He seems to have a bit of his dad's fire in him, no?


yea, after he said he took a fall i was impressed that he managed to catch back on as well. BMC handled it well, like thay really cared, excellent teamwork. Never saw them put that effort to work for Cadel.

[William]

The simplest tasks can be quite difficult when you've been exercising at threshold for several hours, and then put into a panic situation.
Like when you're sprinting on those hot nemesis rims for the best seat at the donut shop after your 30km Saturday world championships club ride...

All kinds of easy stuff can be mind-wrackingly difficult when tired and in panic mode.





William

[GuyGadois]

I did that same thing in a race (but I didn't have a pink jersey on and I wasn't a pro and I wasn't getting paid to race). Dropped the chain at the perfectly wrong time while at the front of a huge pack. It's a sinking feeling going from 900mph to coasting and everyone is flying by. The fact is while people are flying by you have to keep your line or get cremated. Once the pack goes by you can jump off and make the change but by then, obviously, the train has left the building and your HR is pegged. I was happy he got back on and that Garmin actually helped him a bit with their team car and didn't accelerate at the front of the pack. George is on BMC after all (yeah, he isn't racing it, I know). :cool:

GG

[FlashUNC]

All kinds of easy stuff can be mind-wrackingly difficult when tired and in panic mode.





William

Not to mention it could have been something a mechanic with lots more experience could fix in a far shorter amount of time.

Riding last weekend I jammed my chain between the chainstay and the lowest cog -- I was the idiot cross chaining, I accept it... -- and took quite a bit of finagling to get the chain out. It ain't always as easy as re-wrapping it around the big ring and getting on your way....

[oldpotatoe]

It was thrilling to see T Phinney and his team get back to the group
before the finish. Shows quality. Remember that he crashed! He didn't just
lose a chain!
The pink jersey will mean that much more today at the start. Every other rider in the
race and every knowledgeable spectator and fan saw that and will be thinking
about Taylor in a different way compared to if he just had an uneventful
stage and held the jersey in a more conventional way.

VF

BTW, The only thing that A Schleck and T Phinney have in common as bike
racers is that they are both tall.

Tayor Phinney, when asked if he was OK after the crash: "I tumble well"
He seems to have a bit of his dad's fire in him, no?

HUGE crash on stage 3..Phinney left in an ambulance, looks like his Giro is over. Cav got hooked by Ferrari, went down right close to the line.

[laupsi]

HUGE crash on stage 3..Phinney left in an ambulance, looks like his Giro is over. Cav got hooked by ?, went down right close to the line.

well that saves me the time tonight from having to view for myself... bummer all the way around :mad:

[Scuzzer]

Phinney left in an ambulance, looks like his Giro is over.

Or maybe not, he got the jersey today. I'm officially confused.

[oldpotatoe]

Or maybe not, he got the jersey today. I'm officially confused.

Me too, thought he had to pass the finish line under his own power, even if it was walking, carrying his bike.

Velonews-"Phinney’s BMC Racing team wrote on Twitter that he did finish to retain the race leader’s maglia rosa, but team president Jim Ochowicz said later that Phinney had crossed the line in an ambulance before being awarded the pink jersey on the stage.

??

[4Rings6Stars]

3km rule, he and Cav get the same time as the peloton.

I read that he was able to cross the line and keep the jersey but his return on Wednesday is questionable.

Mods, can we get a *SPOILER* edited into the title?

[Nooch]

HUGE crash on stage 3..Phinney left in an ambulance, looks like his Giro is over. Cav got hooked by Ferrari, went down right close to the line.

Roberto Ferrari from Androni Giocattoli...

Hold yer line!

Seems like phinney is okay http://www.cyclingnews.com/giro-ditalia/stage-3/results

[Hawker]

i donno, i'll give the OP the benefit of doubt and think he probably just picked a comical way to start a conversation about the incident. i doubt he actually meant any disrespect to Taylor.

That's what I assumed. Again..sometimes typing doesn't always convey the subtleties of speech. Which is why we have these things.

:banana::bike::):confused::rolleyes:;):butt:

[laupsi]

3km rule, he and Cav get the same time as the peloton.

I read that he was able to cross the line and keep the jersey but his return on Wednesday is questionable.

Mods, can we get a *SPOILER* edited into the title?

indeed!

[MattTuck]

He came up riding the track. Not a lot of dropped chains on those bikes.

I hope he's ok.

[FastforaSlowGuy]

+1. There is nothing big enough for me to draft off of that would allow me to catch the pack at the pace they must have been holding.

no boob in my book either; Taylor did magange to catch that freight train and at the most critical point in the race, some 60kph? how many others on the forum can fall off the back of a local race and catch back on? perspective people!!!

[PQJ]

He's a professional, riding at the highest level. There's no excuse not to be proficient at basic fix and repairs as regards his equipment, irrespective of stress/adrenaline/whatnot. Imagine being a professional firefighter and saying "gee, I couldn't deal with X [X being something basic] because I was under too much stress fighting that there fire."

[bostondrunk]

HUGE crash on stage 3..Phinney left in an ambulance, looks like his Giro is over. Cav got hooked by Ferrari, went down right close to the line.

Being involved in cycling as long as you have, I would think that you'd know the meaning of the word SPOILER.
Thanks a lot.

[Scuzzer]

There's no excuse not to be proficient at basic fix and repairs as regards his equipment, irrespective of stress/adrenaline/whatnot.

He just fell off his bike though. I'm rarely thinking/responding my best after I fall off but maybe other folks are cool, calm and collected.

[laupsi]

Being involved in cycling as long as you have, I would think that you'd know the meaning of the word SPOILER.
Thanks a lot.

tomorrow's a new day. I offer that we somehow agree or make it known that to post information about a "current race event", current meaning happening in real time and allowing for time zone differences, be prefaced w/some sort of "WARNING" alerting those of us who have nothing better to do after the family goes to sleep than to view 3 hours of bike porn to make a decision if we want to view the thread.

can we do this...?

[MattTuck]

tomorrow's a new day. I offer that we somehow agree or make it known that to post information about a "current race event", current meaning happening in real time and allowing for time zone differences, be prefaced w/some sort of "WARNING" alerting those of us who have nothing better to do after the family goes to sleep than to view 3 hours of bike porn to make a decision if we want to view the thread.

can we do this...?

I don't disagree with the sentiment, and I think generally, we do a good job of avoiding spoilers...

But at the same time, if you really want to avoid news about the race, maybe coming to a cycling forum is a bad idea. I know that when I want to avoid race results, I avoid this place, several other bike forums, cycling news and pretty much any other cycling website. I even avoid sports websites and CNN if there's a US rider in case they divulge results.

During the grand tour season, I'd suggest not clicking on any thread that is about pro racing, whether it says spoiler or not... just in case.

[EDS]

He's a professional, riding at the highest level. There's no excuse not to be proficient at basic fix and repairs as regards his equipment, irrespective of stress/adrenaline/whatnot. Imagine being a professional firefighter and saying "gee, I couldn't deal with X [X being something basic] because I was under too much stress fighting that there fire."

I am sure you would have handled it better . . .

[tannhauser]

Taylor sucks - can't put on his chain!

Old Potato relegated for spoiler!

It says "Taylor Phinney" in the title and it's stage 3 - use your noggin. Of course there's going to be a spoiler in it.

[laupsi]

Taylor sucks - can't put on his chain!

Old Potato relegated for spoiler!

It says "Taylor Phinney" in the title and it's stage 3 - use your noggin. Of course there's going to be a spoiler in it.

ouch, tough crowd out there!

[GuyGadois]

Ugh! Saves me from watching the race now. ish I saw the spoiler note. I just refreshed an older thread that wasn't a spoiler and got spoiled.

[eippo1]

He's a professional, riding at the highest level. There's no excuse not to be proficient at basic fix and repairs as regards his equipment, irrespective of stress/adrenaline/whatnot. Imagine being a professional firefighter and saying "gee, I couldn't deal with X [X being something basic] because I was under too much stress fighting that there fire."

This reminds me of the entitlement threads that pop up where people say that a cyclist shouldn't be riding a $5K bike because they don't have the talent to merit it. So here we have someone with the talent to ride that expensive bike, but now he needs to have a certain level of mechanical expertise to ride it as well?

Where are these rights to bike xx bike with xx skills guidelines posted? I have yet to find them.

[firerescuefin]

Imagine being a professional firefighter and saying "gee, I couldn't deal with X [X being something basic] because I was under too much stress fighting that there fire."

People in high stress situations rarely operate as well as you seem to think you would. He's leading a grand tour at the age of 21...give him a break.

I can tell you that probationary (professional as you put it) firefighters are pretty much worthless/in need of a guide dog until they learn (through experience) to remove the blinders and how to cope with what they are seeing/feeling/processing at a fire or a mass casualty incident.

[PQJ]

I am sure you would have handled it better . . .

I'm not a pro cyclist. I am a professional in another respect and I can tell you that my clients would have no tolerance were I to screw up something simple in my chosen profession, no matter the circumstances.

[PQJ]

People in high stress situations rarely operate as well as you seem to think you would. He's leading a grand tour at the age of 21...give him a break.

I can tell you that probationary (professional as you put it) firefighters are pretty much worthless/in need of a guide dog until they learn (through experience) to remove the blinders and how to cope with what they are seeing/feeling/processing at a fire or a mass casualty incident.

He's wearing the leader's jersey, not leading the race. Big difference. As a professional bike rider, he should have basic proficiency in basic bike fixing techniques.

[benitosan1972]

Taylor can't fix his own chain,
Ayrton Senna never fueled his F1,
Michael Jordan didn't tie his own shoes,
Caddy chooses clubs for Tiger... top pro's just
do what they do best, and someone gets paid for gruntwork.

[PQJ]

This reminds me of the entitlement threads that pop up where people say that a cyclist shouldn't be riding a $5K bike because they don't have the talent to merit it. So here we have someone with the talent to ride that expensive bike, but now he needs to have a certain level of mechanical expertise to ride it as well?

Where are these rights to bike xx bike with xx skills guidelines posted? I have yet to find them.

Yes, as a professional cyclist, he should have a certain BASIC level of mechanical expertise such that he can efficiently replaced a slipped chain. Not saying he needs to know how to install and wire Di2.

[tannhauser]

I'm not a pro cyclist. I am a professional in another respect and I can tell you that my clients would have no tolerance were I to screw up something simple in my chosen profession, no matter the circumstances.

Sure, go head and apply the way your body and mind function in relation to stress in perhaps a desk job to a guy on his physical and mental limit wearing the pink jersey on the biggest point in his life with tens of millions of people watching, including his parents, one of whom has Parkinson's and would like to make proud.

Your life isn't equivalent to his at all.

[PQJ]

Caddy chooses clubs for Tiger... top pro's just
do what they do best, and someone gets paid for gruntwork.

No, caddy doesn't choose clubs at all. A caddy might make suggestions, but the player chooses.

[PQJ]

Sure, go head and apply the way your body and mind function in relation to stress in perhaps a desk job to a guy on his physical and mental limit wearing the pink jersey on the biggest point in his life with tens of millions of people watching, including his parents, one of whom has Parkinson's and would like to make proud.

Your life isn't equivalent to his at all.

Gimme a break dude. Guy should know how to replace his chain.

And yes, my life isn't equivalent to his at all. Nor his to mine.

[bikerboy337]

Anyone ever consider that his best option, seeing as he was at the back of the peleton, was to dismount, calmly and cooly wait for his team car (which would have been 1st in the caravan as he was the race leader), and let them do it... its all about controlling emotions, heartrate, etc... to me, seems like he did the right thing, he tried quickly, couldn't get it on, so he waited, what, 2 seconds for his car, and they did it... to me, that was the right move... remount and chase...

[laupsi]

Gimme a break dude. Guy should know how to replace his chain.

And yes, my life isn't equivalent to his at all. Nor his to mine.

ever hear the phrase to be human is to be perfect? thought not...

don't over simplify simply to make a point :no:

[tannhauser]

Gimme a break dude. Guy should know how to replace his chain.

And yes, my life isn't equivalent to his at all. Nor his to mine.

Then maybe you shouldn't be saying what his skill set should be.

The dude wins the prologue, magical pink frame needs to be built up for the next day, overnight when mechanics are already stressed and tired.

Slap that thing together, no time to test it under race load.

Taylor gets on it, chain drops. Maybe it's got a kink in it, maybe the chainline/derailleur/hanger aren't right, maybe the mechanic forgot a spacer, maybe the fd is adjusted for too-close a tolerance, maybe the chain got off the rd jockey wheel, maybe he was nervous.

There's just a lot of unknowns that it's easy for us on the internet to presume to know. That's all I'm saying.

Ultimately who cares - the dude is still in pink and almost died in today's effed up crash.

[PQJ]

Easy there, ladies. No need to get your knickers in such a knot. I like Taylor. He seems like a nice enough kid. I was happy to see him in pink. Happy to see him keep pink. Sad to hear about his crash. Hopefully he's ok and saddles up tomorrow. Hopefully one day he becomes a real contender. Hopefully he takes bike mechanics 101. For his own sake. Hopefully your estrogen levels fall. Tomorrow is another day.

[tannhauser]

Ha, make a bold pronouncement then calling us ladies.

Classic strategy.

Glad you see it our way, anyway.

[Joachim]

Hopefully your estrogen levels fall.

classic :). You forgot to add the hot flushes.... In the end we can't even blame SRAM. I keed, I keed.

[jpw]

Speaking of Phinney, his cycling shoes look very basic. I feel someone is about to tell me they retail for $1,000 :-)

[Scuzzer]

Anyone ever consider that his best option, seeing as he was at the back of the peleton, was to dismount, calmly and cooly wait for his team car (which would have been 1st in the caravan as he was the race leader), and let them do it.

He was at the back of the peloton because he touched wheels when he was at the front of the peloton and naturally he fell down. He was already dismounted before he tried to remount and pedal only to find out his chain fell off. A couple of seconds later his mechanic was there to fix it for him.

Taylor gets on it, chain drops. Maybe it's got a kink in it, maybe the chainline/derailleur/hanger aren't right, maybe the mechanic forgot a spacer...

The crash might be the more likely scenario. Maybe we should rail on him for touching wheels but I never wore the leaders jersey of a grand tour at 21 so I'll refrain from starting that thread.

[EDS]

I'm not a pro cyclist. I am a professional in another respect and I can tell you that my clients would have no tolerance were I to screw up something simple in my chosen profession, no matter the circumstances.

Do you really believe what you are writing? Really?

[firerescuefin]

He's wearing the leader's jersey, not leading the race. Big difference. As a professional bike rider, he should have basic proficiency in basic bike fixing techniques.

Oh...I thought wearing the leader's jersey was leading the race...at least that's what I've believed for.....at least 20 years. You may want to check back on that...pretty sure that means he's leading GC:rolleyes:

Glad that you epitomize grace under fire....doing whatever it is that you do for your clients. Perhaps you could mentor everyone from soldiers, firefighters, first year pro quarterbacks....may be a second career for you.

[PQJ]

Ha, make a bold pronouncement then calling us ladies.


"Elite pro cyclist should be able to replace slipped chain" is a bold pronouncement?

Do you really believe what you are writing? Really?

No, not at all. Next time I screw something real simple up for a client, I'll refer them to this thread.

Oh...I thought wearing the leader's jersey was leading the race...at least that's what I've believed for.....at least 20 years. You may want to check back on that...pretty sure that means he's leading GC:rolleyes:

Glad that you epitomize grace under fire....doing whatever it is that you do for your clients. Perhaps you could mentor everyone from soldiers, firefighters, first year pro quarterbacks....may be a second career for you.

Huge difference between the situation that Schleck was in, when he was leading, and the race was on the line, than when Phinney was leading, with nothing on the line other than a few more days in pink.

No thanks on the second career. I'm done with professional services. Next go round I'll do something more worthwhile. Firefighting perhaps.

[54ny77]

wow i clicked on this thread hoping to read something cool about phinney and instead it's bitchin' & moanin' and talking about firefighters and whatnot....

too many sandy va j j's in here....

how about--a young american cyclist is wearing pink. and that's all that matters!

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z113/jpmz06/Bike/ThePaceline.png

[Bruce K]

Unfortunately, this one looks like it's already gone too far

If anyone wants to start another thread on the Giro (with SPOILER please) feel free

BK