Ritchey Logic steel frames

[54ny77]

Pretty darned nice. Anyone know where/who is making these? Frame & fork for $1300, per the article.

http://www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Ritchey-2013-Logic-Road-Bike01-600x425.jpg

http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/03/12/nahbs-2012-ritcheys-new-logic-road-bike-breakaway-road650b-mtb-tandem/#more-41353

[Kirk Pacenti]

Pretty darned nice. Anyone know where/who is making these? Frame & fork for $1300, per the article.

http://www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Ritchey-2013-Logic-Road-Bike01-600x425.jpg

http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/03/12/nahbs-2012-ritcheys-new-logic-road-bike-breakaway-road650b-mtb-tandem/#more-41353


The only name that matters is the one on the down tube....

Nice bikes.

Cheers,
KP

[BumbleBeeDave]

. . . indicated that Tom himself made the frames for the intro but that production frames would come from Taiwan. I would wager the same is true of these. All tig welded, I assume . . . Not that there's anything wrong with that! Nice looking bike . . .

BBD

[Steve in SLO]

Ritchey has had a relationship with Dahon with his Breakaway bikes, but I'm not sure about this frameset. Looks nice, though.

[54ny77]

Agreed. Wasn't implying anything negative.

It's a nice rig, something I'd def. consider. Probably the closest thing to reliving my youthful lust for a P-21.... ;)

The only name that matters is the one on the down tube....

Nice bikes.

Cheers,
KP

[texbike]

That's a LOT of Ritchey stuff on there! :rolleyes:

Very cool bike. I'd be happy to have one.

Texbike

[yashcha]

Now that the Logic framesets are back, I can stop looking for a 1997 Logic frameset that I regret selling. I hope it comes in different colors because the gloss brown/grey looks heavy!

[wooly]

One of my favorite bikes shown at NAHBS this year was Ritchey's red, white and blue 29er. Doesn't look as good in the photo but in person it looked hawt.

http://reviews.mtbr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Ritchey-P29er.jpg

[54ny77]

Sweet!

I so wanted a P-21 back in the day. It was one pricey rig.

Got myself a Fisher somethingorother instead.

One of my favorite bikes shown at NAHBS this year was Ritchey's red, white and blue 29er. Doesn't look as good in the photo but in person it looked hawt.

http://reviews.mtbr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Ritchey-P29er.jpg

[mvrider]

The gorgeous sample at NAHBS was fillet-brazed by Tom. The production versions will be TIG'ed.

[Mark McM]

The gorgeous sample at NAHBS was fillet-brazed by Tom. The production versions will be TIG'ed.

Or maybe half and half? The original Ritchey Logic Road (I've got one from '96) was about 2/3 TIG'ed and about 1/3 fillet brazed.

[jimsantos]

^I would assume this is likely true. My made-in-Japan 2000 Chicane (very similar to the Road Logic) has TIG on the headtube,fillet seat cluster, Ritchey lug dropouts, and I can't remember the BB off the top of my head.

[Kirk Pacenti]

Agreed. Wasn't implying anything negative.

It's a nice rig, something I'd def. consider. Probably the closest thing to reliving my youthful lust for a P-21.... ;)

I know you didn't. My guess is they are good f'builders if TR is using them. He's pretty particular.

I always lusted for the P21 as well, and the fully fillet brazed road frame. There was one in Santa Cruz I wish I bought when I had the chance, silver with black/white graphics white saddle and tape, full 7400 group... very nice.

Cheers,
KP

[don compton]

I just checked his website and that frame isn't listed. :crap:

[6mt]

is it just me, or some one else also feels that the curve on the DT seems to be a possible stress point that would allow the frame to deform when head on impact occurs?

[allenwhy]

That's a LOT of Ritchey stuff on there! :rolleyes:

Very cool bike. I'd be happy to have one.

Texbike
lots of ritchey is great! here's my mid 2000's (i think) logic
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/allenwhy/836f0685.jpg

[PacNW2Ford]

I just checked his website and that frame isn't listed. :crap:
July!

[yashcha]

lots of ritchey is great! here's my mid 2000's (i think) logic
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k284/allenwhy/836f0685.jpg

Just about the perfect bike!

[OTB]

If it is made in the same factory that the new Swiss Crosses are made, it will be well made and should ride well. I've been riding the new Cross all winter both on and off road and it has great manners.

[Gummee]

Sweet!

I so wanted a P-21 back in the day. It was one pricey rig.

Got myself a Fisher somethingorother instead.
Me too. I ended up on a Rockhopper.

STILL want a P-21 or -22. One of these may have to do instead. :nod

M

[EDS]

Any advantages or disadvantages to "fastback" seatstays or is it just another way of doing things?

[54ny77]

Too funny. Exactly what I bought as well.

Later upgraded in late 80's to a Fisher. Forget the model name, but it was a fantastic shade of red, that much I do remember. Brakes were mounted under the chainstays.

Me too. I ended up on a Rockhopper.

STILL want a P-21 or -22. One of these may have to do instead. :nod

M

[bobswire]

Is this a good deal? I was thinking of checking it out.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/2891408406.html

http://i41.tinypic.com/a31vc.jpg

[Liv2RideHard]

One of my favorite bikes shown at NAHBS this year was Ritchey's red, white and blue 29er. Doesn't look as good in the photo but in person it looked hawt.

http://reviews.mtbr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Ritchey-P29er.jpg

I so want one of these...frame can be had from what I can gather for about $1000.

[fiamme red]

Is this a good deal? I was thinking of checking it out.Yes, you should definitely check it out. Nice frame, good parts. I have a fully-rigid 1989 Ritchey with XT.

[jimsantos]

Great deal on that Ritchey MTB. There are also a couple others on SF Bay CL, but that seems like the best deal.

Dramatic instagram phonepic of my Chicane. Totally in love with this thing. Still hunting for a matching Swiss Cross...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7200/6836366884_4b702a8aab_b.jpg

[Keith A]

Is this a good deal? I was thinking of checking it out.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/2891408406.html

http://i41.tinypic.com/a31vc.jpgThat looks like a pretty decent deal to me.

[Marcusaurelius]

I've seen mostly older ritchey mountain bikes not so many road bikes. I do remember some of the mountain bike frames had a 175lb weight limit (they were the very light racing ones without a suspension fork).

[stephenmarklay]

How do the 2000's tig welded ones ride? Like your yellow one?

[Peter B]

Pretty darned nice. Anyone know where/who is making these? Frame & fork for $1300, per the article.

http://www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Ritchey-2013-Logic-Road-Bike01-600x425.jpg

http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/03/12/nahbs-2012-ritcheys-new-logic-road-bike-breakaway-road650b-mtb-tandem/#more-41353


The guy on the right built the ones at the show.

[oldpotatoe]

The guy on the right built the ones at the show.

Gary nabbed another bedroom curtain to make his suit.

[DHallerman]

Okay, so we have a Ritchey thread.

So here's my fillet-brazed Ritchey Road Classic handbuilt by Tom Ritchey, and repainted by Joe Bell.

This one has a great backstory, and I bought the frame/fork from Thwart on this message board who shared that story with me.

And I don't have the terminology right now other than I love riding it.

Dave, who thinks a white bike with a bit of color is often beautiful

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24440195/ritchey_full_02.jpg

[stephenmarklay]

Okay, so we have a Ritchey thread.

So here's my fillet-brazed Ritchey Road Classic handbuilt by Tom Ritchey, and repainted by Joe Bell.

This one has a great backstory, and bought from Thwart on this message board.

And I don't have the terminology right now other than I love riding it.

Dave, who thinks a white bike with a bit of color is often beautiful

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24440195/ritchey_full_02.jpg


Something looks wrong about that bike. Oh I know. I'm not on it :)

[mistermo]

Okay, so we have a Ritchey thread.

So here's my fillet-brazed Ritchey Road Classic handbuilt by Tom Ritchey, and repainted by Joe Bell.


Very nice. Love white bikes. Those wouldn't happen to be Campy shifters powering an XT derailleur would they? What's the range on that cassette?

[DHallerman]

Very nice. Love white bikes. Those wouldn't happen to be Campy shifters powering an XT derailleur would they? What's the range on that cassette?

Yup, Campy Chorus, 10-speed, with an XT rear derailleur, a Dura-Ace 7410 front derailleur, and an XTR 12x34 nine-speed cassette.

Combined with a 48/34 double up front, that gives me an excellent wide range -- from 108 gear inches down to 27 -- for the kind of day-trip cycling that I most do.

The ShiftMate gizmo makes the mix of companies and speeds index perfectly.

(And we all know that Campy shifters are the best.)

Dave, whose other favorite gearing is a 48/34 with a nine-speed 11x32 in the back which goes from 118 gear inches down to 29

[Keith A]

DHallerman -- That's a real beauty!!! BTW, what is that stem? It looks like Nitto of some sort.

[carlineng]

That's a truly stunning build! In a few weeks, I'll be joining you in the White Bicycle Club :beer:

[eddief]

that pure white frameset might be conducive to a svelte black original Salsa quill.

Okay, so we have a Ritchey thread.

So here's my fillet-brazed Ritchey Road Classic handbuilt by Tom Ritchey, and repainted by Joe Bell.

This one has a great backstory, and I bought the frame/fork from Thwart on this message board who shared that story with me.

And I don't have the terminology right now other than I love riding it.

Dave, who thinks a white bike with a bit of color is often beautiful

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24440195/ritchey_full_02.jpg

[stephenmarklay]

that pure white frameset might be conducive to a svelte black original Salsa quill.

I was thinking it needs more Ritchey bits

[mistermo]

Bless me father for I have sinned...

I know this isn't the classifieds, but it contains relevant material. Not mine, nor any relation to seller:
http://westslope.craigslist.org/bik/2877109709.html

[Keith A]

. . . indicated that Tom himself made the frames for the intro but that production frames would come from Taiwan. I would wager the same is true of these. All tig welded, I assume . . . Not that there's anything wrong with that! Nice looking bike . . .

BBDNice looking cross bike...
http://www.ritcheylogic.com/dimg/ba7c245daabff23bccfe4316178c48a9.jpg

[stephenmarklay]

Bless me father for I have sinned...

I know this isn't the classifieds, but it contains relevant material. Not mine, nor any relation to seller:
http://westslope.craigslist.org/bik/2877109709.html

I emailed that guy a few days ago but no response. I hate calling first with an out of state number...

[54ny77]

Anyone know anything on the where & when these bikes are set to arrive at a retailer near you? And will they be available in a color other than baby poo brown?

[zap]

Nice looking cross bike...
http://www.ritcheylogic.com/dimg/ba7c245daabff23bccfe4316178c48a9.jpg

I think so too.

I might purchase a frame set when we get back from training camp in France late this month.

I have to try a phsyco race one of these day's.

[timto]

Great deal on that Ritchey MTB. There are also a couple others on SF Bay CL, but that seems like the best deal.

Dramatic instagram phonepic of my Chicane. Totally in love with this thing. Still hunting for a matching Swiss Cross...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7200/6836366884_4b702a8aab_b.jpg

One of my all time favorite production frames. I should have snagged one when i had the chance. Really awesome bike and cool picture. Thanks for sharing.

[Dallez]

Has anyone built up a 2013 Road Logic frame?

I am inches away from ordering one as replacement/addition to my 2010 Specialized Allez (my first road bike). As much as I am a fan of modernity and carbon fiber, I've been smitten with steel frames as well, especially the Ritchey Road Logic. Once I saw this build (http://forums.roadbikereview.com/ritchey/new-ritchey-road-logic-274352-post4228296.html#post4228296), I knew I wanted one. I love the mixing trad frames (geos/materials) with modern bits (carbon, deep wheels, etc.). I think there is a lovely juxtaposition between the 2 scales. Of course, all of that is from an aesthetic standpoint. I like the idea of an all day bike that won't leave you feeling beat up the day after. Steel, from what I read, is particularly suited for that.

Before I dive in, I was curious if anyone else on the forum had any experience with the new frame? Based on the posts so far, it seems a lot of people loved the older Logic edition(s).

Thanks in advance for any input.

[kykr13]

Bumping this old thread, very interested in one myself. Anyone have one, and have impressions of it after some time with it?

[oldpotatoe]

Bumping this old thread, very interested in one myself. Anyone have one, and have impressions of it after some time with it?

Having sold a few SwissCross, they are nice but for the $, I think others may be a better choice. Like Waterford or even Gunnar.

[Netdewt]

I was also interested in this frameset, but was swayed away by those more knowledgable than I am. I still think it looks pretty nice - haven't seen one in person though.

Linked build looks awesome.

http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q364/Netdewt/bikes/EDC22241-3EE2-4772-8818-BC47FE548795_zpspamtdjbn.jpg

[WayneJ]

Having sold a few SwissCross, they are nice but for the $, I think others may be a better choice. Like Waterford or even Gunnar.

99 out of 100 times, I agree with Oldpotatoe, but I respectfully disagree here.

The ride quality of the Ritchey far exceeds the Gunnar. I have no experience with Waterford, but that brand covers quite a range, so they may have something better, but doubtful at the same price point.

The magic of Ritchey bikes is the tubing and smart geometry. They ride really nice, fit fat tires (even the road models), and the build quality is consistently good. The Gunnars are nice bikes, but feel sluggish compared to the Ritchey equivalents.

These are my opinions, but are based on ownership and enough miles to make the above claims.

[kykr13]

Interesting. They look great to me, but there's almost nothing out there on them. I have a Gunnar Crosshairs which is great, just looking to try something from another builder. Custom isn't in the cards at the moment, and I'm not coming up with much used that interests me. Seemed like a good option, but the lack of info is surprising.

[oldpotatoe]

99 out of 100 times, I agree with Oldpotatoe, but I respectfully disagree here.

The ride quality of the Ritchey far exceeds the Gunnar. I have no experience with Waterford, but that brand covers quite a range, so they may have something better, but doubtful at the same price point.

The magic of Ritchey bikes is the tubing and smart geometry. They ride really nice, fit fat tires (even the road models), and the build quality is consistently good. The Gunnars are nice bikes, but feel sluggish compared to the Ritchey equivalents.

These are my opinions, but are based on ownership and enough miles to make the above claims.

Well, a Gunnar and Waterford are the same except for custom and paint choices.

My statement is based on the SwissCross vs the Gunnar Crosshairs, the Gunnar was just an all around better frame and fork. Same $, but the Ritchey seemed like a 'sheep in wolf's clothing'.

[Schmed]

http://maxcdn.thedesigninspiration.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Lust-l.jpg


http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q364/Netdewt/bikes/EDC22241-3EE2-4772-8818-BC47FE548795_zpspamtdjbn.jpg

[bewheels]

...sorry - editing/removing my comment...I was responding to an old comment on this thread without realizing it....

[hankchong]

Bumping this old thread, very interested in one myself. Anyone have one, and have impressions of it after some time with it?

I'd also be hearing about anyone's experiences with the new road frameset, especially in comparison to the old Road Logic. I currently owned an old 54cm frame and fork, and love how it rides and its versatility (takes relatively fat tires). Unfortunately, it's just a tad small.

[jet sanchez]

This one near LA is priced very well at $1200 obo

http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/bik/4230475392.html

http://images.craigslist.org/00q0q_ltw96sXNws2_600x450.jpg

[OtayBW]

Nice looking bike, but almost looks like a 59 cm rider trying to squeeze into a 57 cm frame.

[tiny]

Gah, this thread is throwing me off... trying to riddle out an upcoming bike purchase. Was considering Gunnar Hyper-X or the Swiss Cross.

So many decisions.

[Gummee]

Gah, this thread is throwing me off... trying to riddle out an upcoming bike purchase. Was considering Gunnar Hyper-X or the Swiss Cross.

So many decisions.

While I don't have a Ritchey in the garage to compare it to, the Crosshairs I own has been in my possession for 9 years now. It would be a hard choice between that and my Altamira CX if I could only have one bike. :nod

[AgilisMerlin]

As mentioned above,

I would consider a swiss cross. history, resale, lifetime purchase. Hits all mentioned attributes, as needed.


not the lightest, nor the heaviest. honorable mention

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/27/ezesyqev.jpg

- i would run this with skinny road tires, if my only bicycle, this would be the choice.


just a(some) thought(s)

[oldpotatoe]

As mentioned above,

I would consider a swiss cross. history, resale, lifetime purchase. Hits all mentioned attributes, as needed.


not the lightest, nor the heaviest. honorable mention

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/27/ezesyqev.jpg

- i would run this with skinny road tires, if my only bicycle, this would be the choice.


just a(some) thought(s)

Couple of things to note tho..no eyelets for fenders or a rack...

Not possible to put a V brake on the rear w/o some 'magic' type housing routing..no cable stop back there..just a guide.

PLUS in my former shop, we sold 3 that all had slipping seatposts...Ritchey's answer was a 27.4 SP, which didn't fit..'probably' fixed that issue..

[gdw]

"PLUS in my former shop, we sold 3 that all had slipping seatposts...Ritchey's answer was a 27.4 SP, which didn't fit..'probably' fixed that issue.."

Glass houses.....Waterfords and Gunnars are notorious for having slipping seatposts.

[charliedid]

Yeah, plenty of reasons to buy a Gunnar but doing so over a Ritchey, made in Taiwan because it's a "better" bike is not a great one.

I've owned both (Ritchey's were made by the man) and currently ride a Gunnar Sport.

Waterford 14 series and Gunnar's are basically the same.

[tiny]

Huh, now I'm even more confused.. but I don't feel like I need to move on an OTP bike right now, and I don't want to derail this thread... so maybe I'll move my conundrum to another thread when the time draws near. Thanks for the input!

[oldpotatoe]

"PLUS in my former shop, we sold 3 that all had slipping seatposts...Ritchey's answer was a 27.4 SP, which didn't fit..'probably' fixed that issue.."

Glass houses.....Waterfords and Gunnars are notorious for having slipping seatposts.

Really? Not trying to throw stones at Ritchey altho they weren't particularly forthcoming on the issues with the Cross bikes BUT I sold Waterford and Gunnar for about 17 years in 2 shops, the last I owned and I sure didn't see the
"Waterfords and Gunnars are notorious for having slipping seatposts" at all.

Not that many frames...about 400-500 or so...

[Gummee]

Really? Not trying to throw stones at Ritchey altho they weren't particularly forthcoming on the issues with the Cross bikes BUT I sold Waterford and Gunnar for about 17 years in 2 shops, the last I owned and I sure didn't see the
"Waterfords and Gunnars are notorious for having slipping seatposts" at all.

Not that many frames...about 400-500 or so...

My built in April of 04 Crosshairs doesn't have a slipping seatpost so YMMV

I have a sample size of 1 tho...

M

[WayneJ]

If you plan to race CX, get the Ritchey SwissCross.
If you want a lightweight (for steel), responsive road bike, get the Ritchey Road Logic.
If you want a universal do-most-anything bike that can accept fenders, rack, etc, get the Gunnar Crosshairs.

There all good choices, but your needs will help dictate which one you choose.

[gdw]

I had slipping problems with an RS22 and knew several local riders who experienced similar problems with their Rockhounds. If you do a search on Yahoo you'll find the issue has been discussed on a number of forums and crops up in several of the reviews at MTBR. I purchased my frame in 2001 so the problem has hopefully been solved.

[kykr13]

If you want a lightweight (for steel), responsive road bike, get the Ritchey Road Logic.
If you want a universal do-most-anything bike that can accept fenders, rack, etc, get the Gunnar Crosshairs.


One on the way, the other done. :hello:

Never had a problem with the seat post slipping on my '09 Gunnar, but I remember the dealer recommending Thomson posts. I had planned to use one anyway on that bike, but he said the machined grooves on their posts help prevent slipping.

[tiny]

Thanks Wayne! And for the seatpost advice as well... I will probably be end-up using the bike as my go-to do everything bike, so the Gunnar probably will be the best fit in the end (although when it comes down to it I could convert my current main-bike into more of a do everything bike - and even juggle around the functions of my other bikes).

[oldpotatoe]

I had slipping problems with an RS22 and knew several local riders who experienced similar problems with their Rockhounds. If you do a search on Yahoo you'll find the issue has been discussed on a number of forums and crops up in several of the reviews at MTBR. I purchased my frame in 2001 so the problem has hopefully been solved.

Maybe. Sold them from 1997, never saw the issue. I own no shop now, don't care one way or another. I know Richard(Schwinn) and Tom(Ritchey). Just MY experience.

Early on some Waterfords took 27.4 seat posts. Ya put in a 27.2, it slips.

[Gummee]

If you plan to race CX, get the Ritchey SwissCross.
If you want a lightweight (for steel), responsive road bike, get the Ritchey Road Logic.
If you want a universal do-most-anything bike that can accept fenders, rack, etc, get the Gunnar Crosshairs.

There all good choices, but your needs will help dictate which one you choose.I've raced my Crosshairs, but it didn't like it. Its a great all-rounder that'll race if it *has* to.

I found some 110BCD rings in 39/53. Stuck em on my Full Tilt Boogie. Rode that for almost 3hrs today. Gotta love the versatility of CX bikes! :nod

M

[gdw]

It was definitely a 27.2mm, tried a 27.4mm too just in case*, per Richard and he didn't seem too surprised by the problem.

* I sold the 27.4mm to one of your customers over the internet and delivered it to your store.

[fourflys]

so, silly question… if you have a slipping seat post, why couldn't you use "carbon paste" as the lubricant? That's why they use it on carbon/carbon, correct?

just a thought on an easy fix...

[oldpotatoe]

so, silly question… if you have a slipping seat post, why couldn't you use "carbon paste" as the lubricant? That's why they use it on carbon/carbon, correct?

just a thought on an easy fix...

It'll work to a point. The Ritcheys were .1 off, near as we could tell, needed a 27.3 ASAP...27.4 to big. I think it was the seat clamp/rear brake guide, assembly to blame, not necessarily size.

[macaroon]

So, I'm considering a one of these new Ritchey Raod Logic frames if I can find one second hand at a reasonable price. My current bike is good, although perhaps a shade too small.

Does anyone know which headset they come with?

My current bike has a 155mm headtube with a CK headset @ 31mm stack height. So a 57cm Ritchey will probably have a similar overall headtube length? Although these internal headsets often come with a large conical spacer/top cap on them.

Also, I've looked at the geometry chart on the Ritchey site and the seat tubes seem very short. Are they measured centre to centre or centre to top?

Thanks

[Peter P.]

The Ritchey Road Logic doesn't come with a "headset". It comes with cartridge bearings that drop directly into the headtube.

The headtube length is measured including the stack height of the 2 cartridge bearings. To compare with a standard setup, you can assume a roughly 20mm difference between the 2 designs.

So your current bike has a 181mm headtube + headset cup length.

The Ritchey Road Logic with integrated cups is 180mm.

The Ritchey Road Logic is a compact frame design so the seat tube is shorter than that on a bike with a horizontal top tube. I don't know whether the frames are measured C-C or C-T.

[macaroon]

Yes, my current bike has a 155 headtube plus a 31mm stack headset so 186mm

The 57 cm Ritchey has a 180mm headtube, but the headset must have some stack height taking int oaccount the top cap and crown race. I'm guessing about 10mm?

Regardless, not much different to my current frame, or not enough to justify a change. I think the 59 frame would be too long, althoguh the headtube length is better.

If the seat tubes are measured c-t then I'd have alot of seat post exposed to get my sadle height of 833mm!

Currently running 16cm of saddle bar drop, and although it's not uncomfortable, it looks a bit daft. Was thinking of something a bit longer and higher at the front.

I'm sort of answering all my own questions here, it helps to type it out I guess!

[Gummee]

While I didn't get a Road Logic, I DID just buy myself a P650B. It hasn't arrived, so I can't comment on it yet, but I never thought I'd see myself on another steel mtn frame.

M

[hamsik]

Hi, i have a 57 road logic frame. The headset stack is 20mm. My saddle height is 780, I am running a 120 10 degree stem with 20 spacers, saddle drop is about 5-6cm.
I may be interest into swapping this frame for a 59.

http://s9.postimg.org/dthpeb1vf/ritchey.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/dthpeb1vf/)


Yes, my current bike has a 155 headtube plus a 31mm stack headset so 186mm

The 57 cm Ritchey has a 180mm headtube, but the headset must have some stack height taking int oaccount the top cap and crown race. I'm guessing about 10mm?

Regardless, not much different to my current frame, or not enough to justify a change. I think the 59 frame would be too long, althoguh the headtube length is better.

If the seat tubes are measured c-t then I'd have alot of seat post exposed to get my sadle height of 833mm!

Currently running 16cm of saddle bar drop, and although it's not uncomfortable, it looks a bit daft. Was thinking of something a bit longer and higher at the front.

I'm sort of answering all my own questions here, it helps to type it out I guess!