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akelman
03-03-2012, 03:20 PM
Apparently so. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/260966062473?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&autorefresh=true) Wow.

Ryun
03-03-2012, 03:22 PM
Well the 28h are hard to find but that just seems silly when you could get something like alchemy hubs if you need silver...
I would have thought 300ish (which still seems crazy to me)

shinomaster
03-03-2012, 03:22 PM
YEah but they had 28 holes :cool:

Joachim
03-03-2012, 03:28 PM
I should get with the times. Old Potatoe did a build for me a few months ago with 28h NOS Record hubs incl skewers and Velocity Aeroheads. Seems the hubs are worth more unlaced.

saab2000
03-03-2012, 03:29 PM
I have two sets of 32/28 Record hubs......

I should sell them and get some Alchemy hubs. Seriously.

Ryun
03-03-2012, 03:29 PM
I was not trying to imply Alchemy hubs are all that or Campy hubs arent great. I have a number of campy hubs that I still use and still roll smooth.

The silver campy hubs seem to have shot up in price mostly because they are silver and while they are very very nice hubs, I would have a hard time paying $550 and change for a used set. If someone really wanted to build a wheelset and needed silver hubs (which I totally get) there seem to be a ton of options before dropping that coin on a used set. Now NOS, I might understand

Jaq
03-03-2012, 03:30 PM
570.00 inc. shipping. That's $10.18 per hole.

Lucky they weren't 36s.

Joachim
03-03-2012, 03:38 PM
I have two sets of 32/28 Record hubs......

I should sell them .

Yes, to me :)

saab2000
03-03-2012, 03:44 PM
Yes, to me :)


If you're really serious, PM me and I'll give you the skinny on the wheels. :beer:

akelman
03-03-2012, 03:57 PM
Yes, to me :)


Me too!

Joachim
03-03-2012, 04:02 PM
Me too!

Ari knows I scope out his wheelhouse...

binxnyrwarrsoul
03-03-2012, 04:05 PM
I think I need to do some (more) unlacing of some hubs. ;)

saab2000
03-03-2012, 04:07 PM
Just for fun!!!

Both sets are in regular usage. They sure are purdy! I bought them when Campagnolo still produced them and I ordered 2 sets of 32/28 from Excel Sports about 10+ years ago.

Joachim
03-03-2012, 04:07 PM
I think I need to do some (more) unlacing of some hubs. ;)

Now you tell me??!

binxnyrwarrsoul
03-03-2012, 04:14 PM
Now you tell me??!
Bro, you'd get first dibs! (before I have inbox blown up, I only have 32 hole '05 Record hubs (built), and they aren't for sale).

binxnyrwarrsoul
03-03-2012, 04:25 PM
Everyone ignore the fact that those hubs are laced to Nemesis tubies.Just for fun!!!

Both sets are in regular usage. They sure are purdy! I bought them when Campagnolo still produced them and I ordered 2 sets of 32/28 from Excel Sports about 10+ years ago.

saab2000
03-03-2012, 04:29 PM
Everyone ignore the fact that those hubs are laced to Nemesis tubies.

They were actually carefully de-laced and re-laced to a set of A23s. The Nemesis are going to probably be re-laced to a set of Alchemy hubs.

I have a couple sets of 28 hole and 32 hole Nemesis rims. Only the best for stretching tires.....

Seriously, I do plan to rebuild the Nemesis but on different hubs. I think they're pretty cool but I'd rather do a slightly different build than they were before WRT to spoke thickness and nipples for a slightly more lively set of wheels.

The pics were taken when the rims were brand new. Now they have a couple thousand miles on them. Bomb proof rims, that's for sure.

maximus
03-03-2012, 04:36 PM
Jeez..sold a 28h set laced to silver open pros for not even half that.

:crap:

akelman
03-03-2012, 04:41 PM
Jeez..sold a 28h set laced to silver open pros for not even half that.

:crap:

If anyone would like to sell me a set of 28h Record hubs laced to Open Pros, do let me know.

thwart
03-03-2012, 04:45 PM
The market for silver Campy hubs is completely nuts right now...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=330692665442&nma=true&rt=nc&si=se0R%252B3In1clFpx8jvC4KbgARwZk%253D&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

A couple of weeks ago a set of used, 'need to be rebuilt' Centaur hubs went for over $100...

Joachim
03-03-2012, 05:00 PM
I was planning to list my 28h Record laced to Velocity Aerohead O/C and Aerohead a few weeks ago... Now it seems better to hold on to them. Well at least until the next project :)

stien
03-03-2012, 05:13 PM
Record Ti mind you, not just Record.

nooneline
03-03-2012, 05:25 PM
570.00 inc. shipping. That's $10.18 per hole.

Lucky they weren't 36s.

Nah, the buyer was paying for what was between the holes.

Though if you want to buy 56 holes, I can give you a good deal on 'em.

thinpin
03-03-2012, 05:56 PM
Strewth, I have more than $2000 of campagnolo hubs alone in the shed!

Jaq
03-03-2012, 06:23 PM
Strewth, I have more than $2000 of campagnolo hubs alone in the shed!

I'm sure plenty of folks here would be happy to keep them company.

bikinchris
03-03-2012, 09:18 PM
The only way I would pay that much for Campy hubs used is if they were the Sheriff star track hubs and they were absolutely perfect.

OTB
03-03-2012, 09:46 PM
Likewise, Campy Chorus and Record Ti seatposts are going for
Insane prices as well.

csm
03-04-2012, 10:31 AM
I think it's time to dig out some of the old stuff I have around.
I have at least 2 prs of record hubs.... one threaded one cassette.

old_fat_and_slow
04-06-2012, 03:19 PM
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BumbleBeeDave
04-06-2012, 03:23 PM
Check out some of the prices for old Campy derailleurs. They have at gotten a wee bit out of control on eBay.

BBD

kong79
04-06-2012, 03:25 PM
Campy prices for everything are unbelivable. I looked on fleabay yesterday for a used gruppo and people are wanting near new prices for well used equipment. What's going on?

TMB
04-06-2012, 03:26 PM
I found a 28 hole Record front hub in one of my boxes of stuff last year.

I had no use for it and threw it on eBay.

It went to Japan in exchange for a little over $600.

Mud
04-06-2012, 03:33 PM
Record silver 28 holes with new Campy ceramic bearings. One set is OPs, the other is Velocity narrow rims. Makes me wonder what might be worth. But then if I sold them I would have to replace them so there is no gain.

toosahn
04-06-2012, 03:49 PM
I have a set of the even rarer 36-hole hubs. I'm gonna keep em, though.

Jaq
04-06-2012, 04:02 PM
I have a set of the even rarer 36-hole hubs. I'm gonna keep em, though.You vill gif zem to me, you vill gif zem to me, you vill gif zem me....

http://www.hypnoticaddiction.com/images/stories/spirals122407/pbcounter.gif

tsarpepe
04-06-2012, 04:24 PM
Hey, that's still a bargain compared to NOS.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=300687554188&nma=true&rt=nc&si=ezLRBnpjqinrmJwMCgKHVI%252BbdoQ%253D&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Are they really that good? ? ?

No, they are not. It is the value of scarcity, not of the hubs. Anything labelled Dura Ace in the last 10 years is better.

toosahn
04-06-2012, 04:31 PM
No, they are not. It is the value of scarcity, not of the hubs. Anything labelled Dura Ace in the last 10 years is better.

How so? I've heard nothing but good things about these hubs, mostly that they are bomb-proof and will last a lifetime wit low-maintenance.

tsarpepe
04-06-2012, 05:31 PM
I am riding Ultegra 600 hubs from 30 years ago that haven't missed a beat. You can get them for 1/20 of the price of those 9-sp Record hubs. The point being: there are many "bombproof" hubs out there that don't require you to sell your kids and kidneys to have them.

oldpotatoe
04-07-2012, 09:20 AM
Campy prices for everything are unbelivable. I looked on fleabay yesterday for a used gruppo and people are wanting near new prices for well used equipment. What's going on?

Demand and supply. Demand is high, supply is getting smaller.

I have a 1978 Rolex GMT Master I paid $645 for..it's worth used almost 10 times that amount today. With inflation it's about $2300...demand and supply.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rolex-GMT-Master-16750-Pepsi-Bezel-Perfect-Condition-/130669650127

oldpotatoe
04-07-2012, 09:23 AM
I am riding Ultegra 600 hubs from 30 years ago that haven't missed a beat. You can get them for 1/20 of the price of those 9-sp Record hubs. The point being: there are many "bombproof" hubs out there that don't require you to sell your kids and kidneys to have them.

1982 shimano 600 hubs are pretty scarce also but I doubt you'd get much for them on ebay.

Certain attraction for older Campagnolo.

AngryScientist
04-07-2012, 09:26 AM
fortunately i have just about no retro "lust". i pay for quality, not rarity, especially for parts getting put on a bicycle, functionality, and to some degree aesthetics are all that matter to me.

as far as hubs go, most are relatively "bombproof", which is a totally overused term. hell, i'm riding cheapo formula hubs on my fixed gear for thousands of foul weather miles. replace the cart bearings every now and then, and they run perfectly, what more can you ask of a hub?

wallymann
04-07-2012, 09:31 AM
....but the older 8/9 speed stuff is way purtier!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29495821/P1010927.JPG

jr59
04-07-2012, 09:35 AM
Demand and supply. Demand is high, supply is getting smaller.

I have a 1978 Rolex GMT Master I paid $645 for..it's worth used almost 10 times that amount today. With inflation it's about $2300...demand and supply.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rolex-GMT-Master-16750-Pepsi-Bezel-Perfect-Condition-/130669650127


That watch is about 1200 to high. FYI; I have a black bezel one I'll let go for 4450. Same watch, perfect shape.
But I get your point.

oldpotatoe
04-07-2012, 09:52 AM
as far as hubs go, most are relatively "bombproof", which is a totally overused term.

You can say that again, again.

oldpotatoe
04-07-2012, 09:52 AM
That watch is about 1200 to high. FYI; I have a black bezel one I'll let go for 4450. Same watch, perfect shape.
But I get your point.

Not the Pepsi bezel...

jr59
04-07-2012, 10:06 AM
Not the Pepsi bezel...

Can swap bezels quicker than you can swap a set of shifters.

Yes, Rolex bezels! Pretty easy stuff.

bfd
04-07-2012, 11:14 AM
Apparently so. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/260966062473?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&autorefresh=true) Wow.

I agree with others that it must be the rarity of the 28 spoke holes that makes this hubset so expensive! After all, despite the "ti" freehub, this is a what 1997-98 version that weighed in around 320g for the rear and 190g for the front; both w/o skewers.

In contrast, the later 1999-2006 Record/Chorus/Centaur, which I wrongly thought were more desirable, with the oversized axles weighed in quite a bit less, especially in the rear where the rear hubs ranged from 250 to 260g, again w/o skewers. Who knew?! Good Luck!

54ny77
04-07-2012, 11:19 AM
slightly off topic, but $900 or so for a new rear derail (got an email from an online vendor yesterday advertising the new eps). that's bike parts nosebleed territory, about the same price for an entire athena group!

i would venture a guess that in many years, that same derail. is not going to have price appreciation like used record hubs.

jr59
04-07-2012, 11:25 AM
slightly off topic, but $900 or so for a new rear derail (got an email from an online vendor yesterday advertising the new eps). that's bike parts nosebleed territory, about the same price for an entire athena group!

i would venture a guess that in many years, that same derail. is not going to have price appreciation like used record hubs.

If we KNEW that for sure, we wouldn't ever have to worry about $$$ again.

anomaly
04-07-2012, 11:31 PM
I have a 32h set I'll be putting up for sale in the next week, looks like I'll be sure to sell it with the original skewers to maximize profits.

tsarpepe
04-08-2012, 05:52 AM
I agree with others that it must be the rarity of the 28 spoke holes that makes this hubset so expensive!

Not really... 32-h and 36-h are also insanely expensive. Here is a set of 36h Records, 9sp:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/300687557141?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_884wt_1398

tsarpepe
04-08-2012, 05:57 AM
1982 shimano 600 hubs are pretty scarce also but I doubt you'd get much for them on ebay.

Certain attraction for older Campagnolo.

True that. How many collectors are sprucing their vintage builds with 600? About 1 per every 1000 Campy-based restorations?

bfd
04-08-2012, 10:44 PM
Not really... 32-h and 36-h are also insanely expensive. Here is a set of 36h Records, 9sp:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/300687557141?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_884wt_1398

Thanks. I obviously bought the wrong hub! :bike: Way back when, I had a choice of one of these rear hubs or a 2000 Chorus rear hub, the one with the oversized axle. Being lighter and easier to adjust, I bought the Chorus. I now have one in my box waiting to be built. In hindsight, may be I should have gotten one of these instead! Good Luck!:mad::confused:

11.4
04-08-2012, 11:36 PM
One thing that's happening is that the collector market in Japan is re-emerging. They primarily want absolutely perfect NOS equipment, preferably in the box, and typically only in the more legendary versions (e.g., silver Record hubs), and they pay incredible prices for it. But it drags the price up on related equipment (different gruppos, used equipment, etc.) because the less-than-serious collectors who want it are bid up. Same thing is happening again in the Leica market, Rolexes, etc. Signs of an economic recovery.

Check the prices on NOS Campagnolo alloy freewheels lately? Interesting also that hi-low hubs haven't soared the same way. I think the C-record hubs have plateaued, including the track hubs, mostly because of the number of reports of breakages. But it's pretty crazy. There's a beginning of this trend in Dura Ace 7400/7401/7402 and in Suntour Superbe Pro. Sad

oldpotatoe
04-09-2012, 08:32 AM
One thing that's happening is that the collector market in Japan is re-emerging. They primarily want absolutely perfect NOS equipment, preferably in the box, and typically only in the more legendary versions (e.g., silver Record hubs), and they pay incredible prices for it. But it drags the price up on related equipment (different gruppos, used equipment, etc.) because the less-than-serious collectors who want it are bid up. Same thing is happening again in the Leica market, Rolexes, etc. Signs of an economic recovery.

Check the prices on NOS Campagnolo alloy freewheels lately? Interesting also that hi-low hubs haven't soared the same way. I think the C-record hubs have plateaued, including the track hubs, mostly because of the number of reports of breakages. But it's pretty crazy. There's a beginning of this trend in Dura Ace 7400/7401/7402 and in Suntour Superbe Pro. Sad

Got a call from E-A, main supplier of older Campag stuff, about 5 years ago. Said he had NIB Record hi-lo hubsets, was I intetested?

Yes and yes, I'll take 5 please..his answer was he could sell me 2, the other 115 or so pairs were going to one person in Japan.

saab2000
04-09-2012, 08:46 AM
I bought my two pair of Record hubs about 10 years ago in 32/28. Seemed like good hubs, I like Campagnolo stuff, and the 32/28 seemed to make sense. Still have them and they still make sense.

I never had any inkling that they'd one day be 'valuable' or collectible. Ride them all the time.

tsarpepe
04-11-2012, 08:46 AM
Today I got a set of new Tiagra hubs from a German online store for 22 euro. That included skewers! I felt like I cheated someone.

Let's see: those 9-sp Records sold for over $500, so that will make them almost 20 TIMES (2000%) more expensive! If this is your high, I can't help you. But if someone wants to get some darn sturdy hubs for 22 euro, here you go:
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k978/a59165/tiagra-naben-set-fh-4500-hb-4500-32-loch-silber.html

bfd
04-11-2012, 12:47 PM
Today I got a set of new Tiagra hubs from a German online store for 22 euro. That included skewers! I felt like I cheated someone.

Let's see: those 9-sp Records sold for over $500, so that will make them almost 20 TIMES (2000%) more expensive! If this is your high, I can't help you. But if someone wants to get some darn sturdy hubs for 22 euro, here you go:
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k978/a59165/tiagra-naben-set-fh-4500-hb-4500-32-loch-silber.html

Apples and oranges. I have a set of exage hubs (mtb version of the tiagra) and there is no way you can compare it to a Campy Record or even a higher Shimano.

The races, cup and cones are nowhere near as polished or as finished as a Campy hub. Don't get me wrong, they'll work, but not very smoothly. However, since you're into getting the cheapest possible product, that's probably all that matters.

You may want to consider swapping out the bearings for a set of grade 25 bb and adding lots of grease. But then you'll have a lot of fun trying to get it adjusted smoothly.

Alternatively, if someone wants "bargain" Campy compatible hubs, the one to consider is the Ambrosio Zenith. At about $68, the rear hub weighs 268g (w/o skewer) and according to Jan H., he sells the exact same hub under the Grand Bois name, it is a wonderful hub:

http://www.totalcycling.com/a-z/hubs/hubs_road/HB_ZENITH_S_R_CAMPAGNOLO.html

The Zenith front hub is $31. Which btw is still more expensive than the tiagra hubset you got! Good Luck!

weiwentg
04-11-2012, 01:39 PM
shoulda sold my Records and got a set of Alchemys.