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mvrider
01-03-2012, 11:10 AM
My dear wife completely surprised me by ordering a Peg Responsorium for our anniversary. I don't really need another bike, but she really likes Pegoretti, so it was hard to say "no". The color scheme is stock "Goze" - metallic black with little clear and colored dots.
So, I would like some advice on component choices, from both functional and aesthetic perspectives:
1. Should I equip it with (a) old ~2005 Chorus 10-speed group (with carbon shifters, silver brakes, new carbon compact crank, carbon Record mid-length RD) from my Vamoots, (b) new 11-speed Chorus, or (c) new 11-speed Record? I have a set of Zero Gravity calipers lying around also.
2. For the 30.0-mm seatpost, should I use (a) the $250 WR Compositi RSN, (b) the ugly set-back Thomson, (c) a straight set-back Thomson, (d) the Easton Havoc, which appears to have been available in 30.0-mm in the past?, or (e) a Ritchey WCS carbon 2-bolt 27.2-mm with a shim?
3. For the wheels, I have in my garage: (a) ~2007 era Campy Neutrons, (b) Chorus silver hubs + 32-spoke black Open Pro rims, and (c) Topolino C-19's (yellow/black spokes, unfortunately). The last make my Ottrott sing.
4. For the handlebar, I've had the best luck with Deda Newton Anatomic with Campy shifters, but alternate advice is welcome. Sticking with aluminum.
5. Any other advice? Stems, bar tape, mini-pump, etc.?
Grazie Mille!
c-record
01-03-2012, 11:24 AM
Too many choices. Save yourself confusion and send it to me. :)
jimcav
01-03-2012, 11:30 AM
Is it a classic steel bike from a storied Italian builder that just happens to be stainless, or his very modern/contemporary take on a classic steel frame?
I think if you already have it, anything chorus 10 or better would be a nice match for the bike. For a bike like that, I'd take my time, since you say you don't really need another bike, sell 1-2 or two of your current. Then you can get the wheels and components you want. It is arguably his top line and certainly most modern bike in terms of materials. I think a black Thomson post looks good, in fact i'd keep most of it black, but that is just me. However, I also think the DA7900 crank evokes a certain modern look that goes well with the XCR.
I'd put carbon wheels on it with no decals, black spokes and hubs, nothing wrong with neutron though. I like Ritchey stems--does the paint match the wet black ritchey does?
main thing is to build it: once you ride it and love it, then you can get campy EPS down the road.
sounds like a great way to start 2012!
Jim
rwsaunders
01-03-2012, 11:40 AM
Perhaps reach out as well for some advice from Dario himself? He seems to be pretty accessible via the web.
http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f22/pegoretti-cicli-24544.html#post347046
fuzzalow
01-03-2012, 11:57 AM
To me, the tubing diameters and TIG joining of the Respo make it more appropriate to a modern build in carbonfiber and anodized Campagnolo black. I would save the silver parts for a Luigino or other 28mm tubing size lugged bike.
If you have most of the parts to mix and match from, build it up to your own taste and aesthetics. I'd say the only infamnia on that bike would be a non-setback or a Thomson dogleg setback seatpost.
pdmtong
01-03-2012, 12:08 PM
In case you were wondering, Here's how it looks with C11 (http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=94651&highlight=doublicious)
During the summer it wears hyperons.
CNY rider
01-03-2012, 12:12 PM
The bent Thompson post is the ugliest thing I have ever seen and should not go anywhere near that fine bicycle.
Everything lese is fair game.
thinpin
01-03-2012, 01:47 PM
Lucky you.
I thnk complete black on such a frame lacks imagination. While a chorus or above carbon group will look splendid break the blackness up with little accents here and there. Hubs, headset and seatpost (a shimmed eriksen looks really great) and say Ti coloured polished stem and bars from deda. Good luck.
xeladragon
01-03-2012, 01:47 PM
My dear wife completely surprised me by ordering a Peg Responsorium for our anniversary. I don't really need another bike, but she really likes Pegoretti, so it was hard to say "no". The color scheme is stock "Goze" - metallic black with little clear and colored dots.
So, I would like some advice on component choices, from both functional and aesthetic perspectives:
1. Should I equip it with (a) old ~2005 Chorus 10-speed group (with carbon shifters, silver brakes, new carbon compact crank, carbon Record mid-length RD) from my Vamoots, (b) new 11-speed Chorus, or (c) new 11-speed Record? I have a set of Zero Gravity calipers lying around also.
2. For the 30.0-mm seatpost, should I use (a) the $250 WR Compositi RSN, (b) the ugly set-back Thomson, (c) a straight set-back Thomson, (d) the Easton Havoc, which appears to have been available in 30.0-mm in the past?, or (e) a Ritchey WCS carbon 2-bolt 27.2-mm with a shim?
3. For the wheels, I have in my garage: (a) ~2007 era Campy Neutrons, (b) Chorus silver hubs + 32-spoke black Open Pro rims, and (c) Topolino C-19's (yellow/black spokes, unfortunately). The last make my Ottrott sing.
4. For the handlebar, I've had the best luck with Deda Newton Anatomic with Campy shifters, but alternate advice is welcome. Sticking with aluminum.
5. Any other advice? Stems, bar tape, mini-pump, etc.?
Grazie Mille!
I have a Respo in Goze... great choice! :beer:
1. New 11-speed.
2. According to Dario, he designs his frames to be used with a setback seatpost, but if you need zero setback, then *shrug*. I'm shimming a Fizik Cyrano post (doesn't look as nice, but if you don't wanna spend $250 on a seatpost, then it's a viable option).
christian
01-03-2012, 01:52 PM
11-speed Super Record
WR Composti
Neutrons
Deda Newton Belgian
mvrider
01-03-2012, 03:34 PM
Thanks for the advice received so far! I've now spoken to 3 different LBS and am thoroughly confused by the differences between C11, R11, and SR11. The weight differences are obvious and not of top priority to me (my doctor wants me to drop 10 lbs, anyway). Ceramic bearings don't make a big difference to me, either.
The main concern I have is shifter feel... are there differences?
christian
01-03-2012, 03:43 PM
No, it's all identical. You should get Chorus.
I was just recommending SR because, well, it's a Responsorium.
fuzzalow
01-03-2012, 04:24 PM
Agree on use of Chorus, CH-R-SR all function identically and the weight difference is not meaningful unless you're counting grams.
A Respo seems right with either R or SR, although maybe not SR as a shoo-in on the first ballot. The only bike I can think of that would make fitting with SR an automatic would be a Vanilla.
pdmtong
01-03-2012, 06:21 PM
The only bike I can think of that would make fitting with SR an automatic would be a Vanilla.
Argh! I just failed the fuzzalow test since I ran out of $ and had to "settle" for C11 on my Vanilla (http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=101347&highlight=vanilla).
back to the point....C11/R11/SR11 all identical in functionality.
Pete Serotta
01-03-2012, 06:26 PM
chorus or record are my two personnel choices, the SR is pretty but for me it does nothing performance wise or longevity for me.
pete
christian
01-03-2012, 08:06 PM
My wife's Vanilla runs Centaur. But she bought it when the wait list was like 6 months and the mystique wasn't quite so deep! :)
soulspinner
01-04-2012, 06:42 AM
To me, the tubing diameters and TIG joining of the Respo make it more appropriate to a modern build in carbonfiber and anodized Campagnolo black. I would save the silver parts for a Luigino or other 28mm tubing size lugged bike.
If you have most of the parts to mix and match from, build it up to your own taste and aesthetics. I'd say the only infamnia on that bike would be a non-setback or a Thomson dogleg setback seatpost.
+1-black highlights the frame more............pics please :beer:
mnoble485
01-04-2012, 07:03 AM
My wife will get upset but does your wife have a sister. What a great and thoughtfull wife you have.
Mike
mvrider
01-04-2012, 07:30 AM
Alas, she's an only child! :)
The frame is due by mid-next week... we'll see how long it'll take to build up. I plan to follow the consensus of C11, but now need to negotiate the waters of buying them from my LBS or Velomine...
For the seatpost, I found an Easton MTB model that apparently comes in 30.0-mm. Looks better than Thomson, and is a lot cheaper than the WR:
https://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-18080-easton-havoc-seatpost.aspx
fuzzalow
01-04-2012, 08:43 AM
My wife's Vanilla runs Centaur. But she bought it when the wait list was like 6 months and the mystique wasn't quite so deep! :)
Yes, when the buildup/wait for a Vanilla spans years rather than 6 months, that frame will take on mythical proportions. Plays into a rationalization to go with SR. There's always the danger to lapse into Jerusalem Syndrome upon opening the shipping carton.
To bring this back to the OP, Pegorettis and especially the Respo, also acquired mystique-bike status from just a few years ago. While Dario was overcoming physical ills, his wait list grew long and also the supply of stainless tubes for the Respo was short. This was written about by CC when they were a Peg dealer. Fortunately for Dario and Pegoretti bike fans, there was a happy ending.
Keith A
01-04-2012, 10:20 AM
The bent Thompson post is the ugliest thing I have ever seen and should not go anywhere near that fine bicycle.Thomson makes some very nice products that function perfectly...but I really wish they would come up with a different design for the setback seatposts. They work wonderfully, but I just get past the aesthetics.
mvrider
02-26-2012, 03:53 PM
My Respo build is complete. Please see the results here (http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?p=1089044#post1089044).
palincss
02-26-2012, 04:35 PM
For a bike like that, I'd take my time, since you say you don't really need another bike, sell 1-2 or two of your current. Then you can get the wheels and components you want.
Is it necessarily a given that he'll prefer the Pegoretti to any of those current rides? I think it would be smart to build it up with parts on hand and try it out before culling the current herd. You never know.
Fixed
02-26-2012, 05:26 PM
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Enigma
02-26-2012, 05:37 PM
Chorus 11
Record seatpost with shim
Neutron wheels
Thank me now or thank me later. But you will thank me.
firerescuefin
02-26-2012, 05:44 PM
Chorus 11
Record seatpost with shim
Neutron wheels
Thank me now or thank me later. But you will thank me.
It's already built...see post above or the bike in the gallery. :)
Jeff N.
02-26-2012, 06:56 PM
Campy Chorus with Shamal Ultra 2-Ways with the dark graphics. Bbbbbad!
mvrider
02-26-2012, 07:17 PM
Forgot to say a big "thank you" to all who chimed in. All suggestions were considered.
Record seatpost + shim: working on it :-)
oldpotatoe
02-27-2012, 07:30 AM
Thanks for the advice received so far! I've now spoken to 3 different LBS and am thoroughly confused by the differences between C11, R11, and SR11. The weight differences are obvious and not of top priority to me (my doctor wants me to drop 10 lbs, anyway). Ceramic bearings don't make a big difference to me, either.
The main concern I have is shifter feel... are there differences?
None. SR, remove the titanium bits=Record. Record, remove the 'CULT' bearings=Chorus.
Find a place where you can mix and match. I'd do SR levers(look cool), and SR crank(looks cool), Record RD(more metal), Chorus FD(metal cage), cogset(all steel), chain. Chorus brakes.
skouri1
02-27-2012, 11:45 AM
Bold custom seatpost--looks good, is light, has a great clamp mechanism and really not that expensive for what it is.
woolly
02-27-2012, 12:12 PM
I think Chorus is a fantastic choice for ANY bike.
pdmtong
02-27-2012, 12:19 PM
I think Chorus is a fantastic choice for ANY bike.
unless of coures you get tempted to buy Record :no:
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